Well sure, as long as utilities loot regular customers to accommodate the rooftop solar crowd, those attempting baseload or near baseload renewable energy are at a tremendous disadvantage not to mention the robbed customers of the utilities.
"some floating solar systems are "system agnostic"
You have a way with words, my friend, but electricity in water is known to be quite gnostic.
I like wave power but it is still intermittent and has problems yet. Lockheed is trying to develop OTEC [energy derived from the differential layers of water] but I suspect that will not be commercial anytime soon.
Much to be explored in our water world we know so little about and pollute to our own destruction perhaps.
Thanks for the mention from someone who was not always a landlubber.
Splendid but far outclassed by Japan's Okinawa far from the main islands.
Because dumping wastes at sea was not auspicious for Okinawa's reliance on fishing and there was a heavy cost for shipping wastes to the main islands for disposal, Okinawa utilized its biomass wastes for feritilizer and fuel in a particularly thorough fashion.
It would be nearly impossible for anyone to top the ancient Aztecs who dumped their - umm, ahh, effusions in lakes and ponds to grow algae that they then ate. My son the engineer suggested the Aztecs could have skipped the middleman to be more efficient but it's hard enough to feed people algae.
Baseload renewables like biomass should be the focus of attention rather than the expensive undependables, solar and wind. Only biomass can greatly improve the environment when it is drawn from waste.
"Terry, solar and wind are the cheapest electricity."
No, no, no, Brian, a thousand times no.
Power that fails when you need it most is very expensive. What "everybody says" is immaterial.
I was surprised at the enormous harm that was done by a singular blackout in Nicaragua, the second poorest country in the Western Hemisphere ahead economically of only Haiti. The great majority of people in Nicaragua have no power - in both senses of the word. :-(
What happened, among other things, was that food spoiled in the tropical or semi-tropical heat. Not good even in a very poor country where refrigeration is restricted to the wealthy and some businesses.
Pumped storage dams provide a reasonably economical method of storing energy but have considerable geographic limitations. All other forms of mass storage are mostly hot air but not the kind that does anyone good aside from vulture profiteers.
Residential utility customers without the scratch or job stability to avail themselves of wind or solar pay the freight for the blessed "suffering middle class," and other elites.
"Waste to fuels eliminates dumping, and is distributed and has a built in cost advantage since we currently pay to dump our wastes."
I wholeheartedly agree with that despite being a great understatement of the benefits of utilizing waste, pollution and kindling for forest fires to generate power.
Rock snot [Didymosphenia geminata] is such an environmental atrocity that mild-mannered New Zealanders can turn nearly homicidal when anyone is believed to have contaminated their lakes and streams with the monster.
But that is as effective as burning witches.
Pogo was right. The enemy is us. I suggested using the pestilence much like efforts to utilize sewage for fuel and fertilizer after drying, sanitizing and turning into a floury substance.
Naturally I was accused of wanting to grow the stuff. No need to it turns out.
You're not a bad person at all, Brian, when you are not burning witches.
"Solar and wind are the cheapest electricity available per KWH"
Solar and wind are not electricity and claiming any usable electricity generated from solar and wind is the cheapest is categorically false no matter how many times you repeat it.
Static electricity is totally free as are lightning bolts but not generally useful though even both can be.
Calculating the cost of electricity is far from an exact science. I have seen wildly differing estimates of the cost of electricity from professionals when both were looking at the exact same data, something you don't bother with.
"Folks who can't afford to save money with solar, or insulation, or efficient appliances still pay less because of solar and wind which have reduce wholesale prices wherever they make significant penetration."
Forcing the incorporation of undependable sources into a utility is not conducive to low prices and certainly does not help those far from any grid. Papua New Guinea is becoming a leader in geothermal power because a gold miner chose to replace diesel with geothermal at his location. Sure Papua New Guinea has the undependables too but it is geothermal and other baseload energy like biomass that can avoid the use of fossil fuels. Various schemes for mass storage of electricity have all the utility of Wil E. Coyote's schemes for catching the roadrunner.
Why not give up the use of false slogans? As his execution time neared, Socrates still maintained that the worst harm one man could do to another was to misinform him. Considering the circumstance, most of us would see things differently from the old philosopher but disinforming folks is still not nice.
The soporific that all roads lead to paradise means, in effect, that the worst shall be paramount. Renewable green energy to most politicians and journalists and even some reasonably erudite people means wind and solar, the worst of the lot, and little else.
In the real world one must choose. Money and time are not infinite. The only things infinite are greed and stupidity. Both wind and solar have splendid niches but they cannot ever be the end all and be all of conversion from fossil fuels and, in fact, are delaying the effort to prevent catastrophe.
"Terry, that was your worst so far."
I typed so slow even Sarah Palin could have gotten it while watching Russia from her back porch if she had just stayed in Alaska.
Let's make it simple enough for even Sarah to answer.
What is the cost of solar electricity generated at night where there is no midnight sun?
And now too tough for Palin but still child's play for most bright elementary students I would think:
What is the cost of all that stuff dangling off the solar power generator to make it useful?
What is the lifespan cost for maintenance and replacement?
What will you do when the surface gets too hot for survival because of your fooling around high-cost, sometime energy when cheap baseload renewable energy was as abundant as the weeds in your yard?
You are a real disappointment to Mother Earth. I guess you won't be around in a few billion years in the future when she is disappeared by fake Father Sun who has been an enormous enemy to be overcome. Sure hope she is allowed to keep her children alive until then but why do you try to stop even that with your arrant nonsense?
BTW for 98th time or so, fracking is only done for your own fossil fuels that must supplement your delinquent power. Why must you visit your sins on innocents?
I am exactly where I have always been - going wherever the facts and research leads.
I found it absolutely disgusting when the Sierra Club led in the charge against biomass conversion of coal-fired power plants in Massachusetts by proposing that burning waste biomass could be even worse than burning coal. Even many Sierra Club members denounced that nonsense but it has been an obstacle to biomass conversion. Even worse is the prevention of using the kindling for the massive forest fires in the West and Florida for generating power.
Your own misleading attacks on geothermal power are the worst of all. Anyone claiming drilling wells for geothermal power is remotely similar to fracking for oil and natural gas is totally misguided or a tool of the fossil fuel companies.
I prefer to believe the former as I have no desire or thought you are a willing stooge of the fossil fuel purveyors.
I could go on for a long time but why bother? It is up to you to learn or show your evidence for whatever you believe. Like any human, I am very often wrong but I am also from Missouri. Show me.
Sorry, Brian, waste in many forms can back up undependable energy sources. Even solar is used as back up but obviously is not dependable itself.
Waste heat from a number of sources is a sizable business for ORA, the premiere geothermal power company on the NYSE. It is often described as a "pure" American company but it is neither pure nor American. It actually had its beginnings using solar ponds from the Dead Sea generating power and tinkers yet with the worst and most expensive of all the renewable energy sources.
"I am of the opinion that nuclear power plant steam turbine power generation equipment can easily be used in a geothermal power plant instead."
Interesting suggestion but I suspect it would only be useful in the hypothetical supercritical geothermal steam power plant that Iceland is attempting.
China has been a leader with its Geothermal City that utilizes lower temperature geothermal brines for a heating utility. That technology was pioneered in Boise, ID, and then mostly forgotten outside Boise.
Many direct use applications like those mentioned in the link above are now finding that they can also generate power with lower entropy resources. Betcha the Chinese will figure that out too. :-)
I have all the mechanical knowledge and ability of a gorilla but both of us have two eyes and I have some experience I reckon most gorillas don't.
"Nicaragua reports 83% of energy from renewables"
Tom Ogryzlo has a name that would ordinarily be very hard for me to remember but he had much to do with that under very difficult conditions in the second poorest country in the Western Hemisphere, ahead of only Haiti, run by a corrupt madman. Tom invited us to visit his project before he was unceremoniously relieved of his property in a lightning coup by a group that nearly destroyed the project and are bankrupt today in all but formal filing.
After a grotesquely mismanaged geothermal power development was put back in shape, a costly new turbine from Fuji was offered to anyone worldwide that could use it. Been a while but for some years at least there were no offers and the Nicaraguan development badly in need of scratch couldn't use it.
I have forgotten all the reasons given but it seems such equipment is tailored very closely to the job and not always so easily made to fit by someone like the Midas Muffler Man.