No, no, no, Brian, it is not fracking.
Fracking uses explosives to shatter rocks to release pockets of gas and oil. That is very different from efforts to create synthetic aquifers. But try for once to listen to experts:
"Water from the pools is injected into the well at a pressure of about 2,000 psi to stimulate tiny millimeter-sized openings, or slips, in the rock, which eventually spider out to create a zone, according to Trenton Cladouhos, senior vice president of research and development at AltaRock. This is a much different process than fossil fuel fracking, which injects a slurry of water, chemicals and sand at much higher pressures of up to 10,000 psi to create large damaging breaks in the rock."
Still and all I see no reason to think this effort will be any more successful than efforts over half a century to create synthetic aquifers. Like the little kid's boomerang, the water goes down but doesn't come back. Despite all efforts to control the cracks where water can escape, unintended cracks occur and the water escapes. This is the precise opposite of fracking.
To top it all off, the zany math is worse than the science and engineering:
"Not only would the project affect Oregon, it would impact the geothermal industry worldwide. In the U.S. alone, there is more than 345,100 MW of potential EGS capacity, according to conservative estimates from the U.S. Geological Survey. In other words, it could realistically replace a significant amount of flexible, baseload fossil fuel sources."
You don't say. But then again, we have already been told:
"“When the technology breakthrough comes, EGS potential could very well be many times more than human consumption,” said Pall Valdimarsson, manager of research and development of the geothermal competence center at Atlas Copco."
As long as it's all dreamy stuff about a Herculean task, it shouldn't be all that hard to align the math.
Meanwhile a huge bonanza of clean, green baseload energy sits waiting development because America spends its money frivolously on expensive, sometime energy. That has to warm the cockles of what passes for hearts in the likes of the Koch brothers.
I have known powder monkeys and not a single one was a mad bomber no matter how many times you libel them.
Mad Bomber Mark Hofmann blew himself up, thus quickly ending that chosen career path though he had spectacular success in counterfeiting Mormon and other historical documents.
If Hofmann had taken the care in learning about bombing he had in faking historical documents, he might have had a far lengthier career but he chose not to learn.
I suggest you quit slandering decent folk, Brian, and learn the difference between attempting to create synthetic aquifers and blasting apart rock strata and poisoning water wells.
That won't help you with your campaigns of vituperation against those trying to avoid the catastrophic effects of global warming but then do you really want to harm the effort?
Hope not. Hope it is just a matter of blind faith in false doctrine.
"Geothermal shouldn't use pressurized space forming"
But that is silly, friend.
People couldn't drill water wells, lay a foundation, for that matter walk on the earth with such doctrine. Seismologists can measure tiny, tiny "earthquakes" with their meters.
Water is used to convey heat from underground to the surface. Efforts are underway to utilize CO2 for the purpose thus sequestrating some CO2 instead of poisoning the atmosphere but IMHO the effort is unrealistic.
Would change nothing much at all. There would still need to be a path for the CO2 to gather the heat and pressure to force the CO2 back underground.
Heated water can volunteer to reach the surface as with geysers or be aided by people trying to utilize the greenest, cheapest, most potent source of energy on the planet - Earth itself.
Don't you want a green, bountiful, beautiful earth rather than a lifeless desert hell that fossil fuel and sometime energy folk would witlessly and carelessly create?
These young folks have set themselves a monumental task teaching us old folks new tricks.
"The Ole Miss team’s infograIphic portrayed direct-use geothermal energy, which uses the heated fluid from the ground directly for purposes such as heating homes, fish farms,,,"
I am a little curious if they knew or mentioned that Mississippi has a very important, groundbreaking effort underway to generate electricity from hot water in oil wells. It is in such efforts that the future lies IMHO. The wells have already been drilled and can be productive even when played out.
Heartwarming story in the midst of all the blather.
"A.G - What do you think securitizes the U.S. National Debt? Land does!"
In the beginning, when liberals secured the former colony against the wishes of most of the people and taxed wealth primarily with a land tax, there might have been some truth in that.
But now when people seem to think George III won instead of George Washington and slaves have become more numerous and more valuable though officially contraband like liquor once was, taxes on working people in place of taxes on the elite and middle have dominated.
Geothermal leases have become nearly worthless as America turns to destroying the planet with renewed vigor despite all the fine words and funny physics of our Energy Secretary.
The most spectacular guide to the decay of of our land and its people is a vast inland sea where barnacles grow on sagebrush and the loss of industrial and irrigation waste water has led to loss of a superb fishery as the "sea" shrinks to become another Dead Sea and then another dry hot spot where no one will want to go.
There are "environmentalists" who fancy that is a return to Eden.
There is hope beyond the horizon as always but it's hard for tired, old eyes to see as hope has been dealt a mighty blow these last few years.
Delete "crops" and replace with waste, dumps, weeds, etc.
It has been done for years in Japan in a pilot operation where things like cardboard are converted to ethanol.
Though the ethanol has been sold on the open market, the pilot operation is not profitable. Pilot operations, by their nature, are not usually profitable.
After years of frustration, the company has rocketed off on a moon shot with the likely illusory notion that talks with China will result in full funding after inadequate DOE funds were withdrawn.
Seems apparent the technology to convert cellulosic materials to ethanol or better is probably economical but monopolization and bad habits are preventing a most salubrious innovation.
Despite differences of opinion, I salute the author for a most thoughtful posting. I don't think even ethanol is a great transportation fuel but that is for another time.
Hilarious, Mr. Manke, but sadly so is your - ah, ummm - science.
"The same amount of land would produce so much more if covered with solar production panels"
They don't have no solar panel trees nor solar panel seeds. Materials for solar panels are mined and the short-lived panels take up so much space for undependable high-cost energy they threaten to exterminate some species.
But your comments are priceless.
Sean, me lad, it is a proud thing to have kissed the Blarney Stone but there are many bloody Englishmen who have left widows and orphans. We Irish ought to consider those left behind even though they never considered ours.
"Given solar panels are 20% efficient and plants are 3% efficient at converting the suns energy. He is actually right...The real ballgame is how much energy you can produce."
I expect you would have just fouled out in cricket though I have no idea how the game is played, the rules, or anything else about what looks to be a silly game.
Anyone with an intelligence greater than sawgrass should know that what matters most is not how efficient it is to produce energy when it is not needed but the cost of having electricity available when it is needed with minimum harm to the environment. I would love to see a bolt box in which lightning bolts could be stored for use as needed but the only reliable and reasonably priced mass storage today are pumped storage dams and they have severe geographic and geologic limitations.
Japan was preparing to deploy an armada of solar satellites that would zap energy down to earthlings like Scotty transported the crew of the Enterprise to planet surfaces but nobody knows how to do that yet and thus Japan had a second nuclear holocaust with a baseload non-renewable energy.. How could a very intelligent people know nukes are dangerous?
The despoiling of the earth for minerals, extinction of species and loss of habitat for the wild world, etc. and more are small details you forgot to mention.
But I am sure you mean well.
Happy Thanksgiving to all and try to forget the Pilgrims were celebrating an Indian massacre.
"Terry, solar panels last 30 year, probably 50-100 years"
We sell tools centuries old and some are even used today. Some decades ago there were 3 coopers making barrels the old fashioned way. We have sold many coopers' tools but the market for uses is rather small and likely non-existent these days.
You could be right that technology will not advance. Wouldn't seem a harbinger of good things for the highest-priced, most overhyped and most damaging to the environment of all renewables.
I won't go over the long list of disadvantages of solar energy since it's Thanksgiving and time to continue the centuries-old celebration of an Indian massacre by the pilgrims.
Morning, Sean O.
"If you are worried about the environment, a ton of oil, or a ton of coal, doesn't produce as much usable energy as a ton of solar panels"
That's hilarious but I would love to see the homework.
Maybe worst of all is natural gas - the green fossil fuel by some ludicrous accounts like that of our President and his Energy Secretary. A methane-laden atmosphere of the primeval planet would have never permitted oxygen-breathing life forms to populate the surface of the planet. Methane-eating bacteria committed suicide by converting methane to oxygen.
What we need is baseload ["always on"] renewable energy.
Fortunately such is available in vast quantities at cheaper cost than all the fossil fuels and sometime energy from wind and solar.
Unfortunately blind faith and monopolization have blinded even purported environmentalists just as the fossil fuel purveyors have managed to overwhelm science and reason with their huge wealth.
Even with biomass, agricultural interests come ahead of cleaning up the environment and helping Smokey Bear prevent forest fires.
Wasn't it Mark Twain who mentioned nothing was rarer than common sense? Why must we live in an asylum?
Gotta admit, Sean, I never expected to see homework. :-)
What is the baseload warmth provided by solar during 6 months of winter in the arctic? LOL!
I frankly never expected to convert any of you sun worshippers to reality though it is nice to talk to someone without the usual rancor.
"it is suffice to say we won't be getting off fossil fuels for quite a while"
The few remaining humans will be living deep underground in Antarctica on desiccated extinct penguins and dates from withering trees if we don't learn the severe handicaps of intermittency. The problems of intermittency cannot be solved by smart grids or intercontinental power transmission without a vast leap in technolgy such as cheap and reliable mass storage.
No need for that with the enormous resource of cheap baseload renewable energy but people have to think rather than dream.