"Radicals like you cant speak one WORD without trashing the Koch brothers. Do you know a damned thing about them that you dont read from my IBEW journal or some nutjob blog site, or democraticunderground.com? No, you DONT. "
It may come as a surprise to you Travis but when the peasants of old used to storm the ramparts and drag kings and their sycophantic minions to the gallows or the guillotine, it is quite certain they were also called radicals.
The Minute Men who fought King George were called radicals by their contemporaries but chose to wear it as a badge on honor.
And as to "do you know a damn thing about them" I'm sure Scott probably knows far more than you do.
I'm quite certain you do not know even the most basic facts about them,their father and the tyrannical philosophy he was committed too.
Or do you know the details and then choose to ignore them?
Sociopaths and psychopaths take many forms and are involved in a wide variety of occupations and positions of power.
The Koch brothers are just the latest 'whipping' boys in the media and the targets of more enlightened beings.
Versions of the Koch brothers have been with us since cave man days when six Neanderthals as a group managed to kill and cook a saber tooth tiger only to find that one in the group , who inherited his bigger spear and was born to privilege (slept on two buffalo pelts rather than one) felt it was his duty to assign himself as king through whatever means he could, using bribery,violence or other subversive means and take a %90 share of the meat and bones.
He would manage to become king since at least a few of those who would get a much smaller share of the food felt that to be critical of the 'would be king' would be seen as radical and thus should be avoided.
Just remember the Koch brothers are only a few of many others with similar 'delusions of grandeur' but just happen to be the most visible.
I really don't know where this obedience and 'bowing and scraping' and submissiveness to wealth and power comes from.
It just seems to show up in far too many people.
Therefore we cannot allow ourselves to ignore "constant freedom requires constant vigilance" as a phrase to live by.
And be cautious with those who cry 'freedom' most loudly.
Generally their form of freedom only applies to freedom for them at the expense of the rest of us.
Best you stay anonymous with this drivel
"And then there is A.G.W.....again, even green buyers have noticed the ice build up on their solar PV and thermal panels that render them useless; and skeptics are now saying there is no connection with reducing CO2 and climate change and they invite people outside( 14 F.) to see the proof. "
Yes it would appear you are another Faux 'news' viewer (by default you are then white,over 60, and believe in 'sky fairies' and that owning your own arsenal of weapons you cannot afford is listed as a sacrament in the sky fairies coloring book)
I am not defending AGW claims or being critical of them.
Last time I looked I did not have an advanced degree in atmospheric science and my laptop although fast is still no substitute for a super computer, so I would never be so arrogant as to make a claim one way or another.
"and skeptics are now saying"
Is that similar to "and THEY are saying that aliens abducted two cows and ate them"
It was on the internet after all!
"there is no connection with reducing CO2 and climate change and they invite people outside( 14 F.) to see the proof. "
A statement such as this relegates anything else you have to say on this subject null and void.
Believing there is NO AGW based on statements from fossil fuel advocates is like believing that Coke is poison when stated by the CEO of Pepsi
Believing there is irrefutable proof of global warming caused by CO2 emissions from an environmental zealot with an 'axe to grind' is equally foolish
I prefer to take a more reasonable position.
Since again, I say I don't have the advanced degree necessary to make an informed decision one way or another I prefer to simply ask:
What are the downsides of making every effort to getting off of fossil fuels?
None that I can see as they are fuels we have built our entire existence on, using it in ever larger quantities and I don't need an advanced degree to know they are not making any more of them .
At least not in the next several million years.
Oh! And as to the "miracle of fracking", unlike most on this forum I had several of these miracles leased in Western Pennsylvania at one time.
The best of them were dead in 7 years and the worst no longer paid a royalty after only two years.
The death of an ancient sweet water spring serving several households?
Yes let's base our future on this latest Wall Street scam.
So like believing there is no gravity and that 2 x 2 = 5 simply because you saw it on Faux News and other deliberate miss information outlets is not a good reason for me to join in your delusions.
As quoted above
" Clearly some Silicon Valley entrepreneurs have developed a knack for getting Uncle Sam to invest in their ideas, no matter how hair brained. And when these ideas fail, the entire industry gets a bad rap. Surely there is a better way. "
Clearly some Military Industrial Parasites have developed a knack for getting Uncle Sam to invest in their ideas,no matter how hair brained. And when these ideas fail,the entire industry 'bellies up to the bar' (or better yet Pig Trough) to get another annual massive refill.
We are surprised that there are some who follow this same MO in suckering investors and the government out of money for a worthless projects?
Until and unless those of us who get fleeced and scammed to pay the taxes that pay the interest on the money borrowed for these operations finally gets mad and stops voting for either sides' openly bought and paid for whore in a three piece suit your complaints about all of this aren't worth as one Vice President so bluntly described his job, "Not worth a bucket of warm spit".
Of course come next election it will be one more time an exact copy of the last script.
Just change the players and wonder why the acting is so poor.
Quite certain this will sell
At least in a country where you have millions who pay exorbitant prices for pickup trucks with four wheel drive that never is used,a bed big enough to haul the space shuttle, that when the vehicle is finally put in the crusher has no more scratches on it than what the average grocery bag would generate,has consumed at least ten x more fuel than was necessary to move you from A to B and finally cost us all a livable planet.
Yes this will sell.
I see we have some readers here who have only the most remote familiarity with a photovoltaic cell or even basic science.
5.8 kwhr's from this tiny 300 watt array??
Must be those folks with a true dual axis tracker and SunPower modules set up with the best inverters or regulators, that regularly keep the panels clean, and live in a good sun area foolishly wasted their money.
They could have simply bought one of these vehicles and just plugged it in
At best with all things ideal you would be lucky to get 1.2kwhr from this array
Considering that even the best EV's not dragging around a dead weight of an engine like a hybrid does can get about one mile for each 300-400 whr's, you are lucky to get another three miles.
Fresnel lens as concentrator?
Note the word concentrator.
Unless they magically extract the infrared from the rest of the useable wavelengths the cells would be above STC temps at all times except in sub zero temps.
That means power losses
PTC would most likely be a feeble 200 watts at most
Concentrate using a Fresnel?
It may be able to aggregate a bit of off angle irrradiance but then what do they do about physics of sun having to pass through a greater length of atmosphere morning and evening? Ever seen 1000w/m2 at these times?
Yes ,as I said this will sell
Just as any terminal patient's doctor will search frantically and desperately for a cure,these overpaid number crunching dreamers have the same mindset and goals as they also search for a means of keeping all the current insanity,fueled exclusively by finite fossil fuels, up and running, right up to when they finally figure out what the word finite means.
I'm quite positive that not one of them has ever considered the downsides of the inevitable total collapse of this 'Fossil Fuel Disney Land theme park' we like to call reality, will be when you put a near dead culture and lifestyle on this futile attempt at life support. Just like the unsustainable costs of putting anything else on life support ,with its bottomless pit of wealth destruction ,I'm quite certain these 'wunderkind with a spreadsheet' with research 'funded' with more borrowed money , have no idea as to what EROI refers to.
Energy Return on Investment is and will continue to be the operative words as we transition into not only a world of energy scarcity but more importantly a world of investment capital scarcity.
Capital is more than endless debt created by someone manically manipulating zero's and one's on a computer, when they aren't sitting in a high rise in lower Manhattan snorting white powder (and your 401K) up their noses.
Of course your solution would mean we leave vast stretches of acreage just sitting and growing while extracting only what the forests can sustainably produce.
That means we could not build McMansion's on it and then borrow endless volumes of capital (zeros' and one's) to generate the power needed to power all of these Monuments to the Geography of Nowhere ,along with supporting all the consumption and waste the McMansion's represent.
I'm certain your solution would be scoffed at and you would be labeled a Luddite and not very 'forward' thinking by 'your betters'.
Of course most good solutions come from those who take a shower after work and not before.
Nothing new there.
Curiously amazed at how agriculture and solar technology are following two almost identical paths
More specifically I refer to how the technologists and corporate vested interests along with non thinking sycophantic politico's and gullible "farmers" allowed our agriculture to devolve into a non sustainable and for the most part, toxic and monolithic "agribusiness" that exists almost elusively as an extension and commodity factory for the junk food industry serving as a poor substitute for real food
And now a once grass roots and potentially game changing technology of solar power has been subverted into a means of serving as "mind pablum" to convince most folks that the mindless suburbs and malignant mega cities created on the back of fossil fuels can and should be powered by solar as a means of keeping them on life support while struggling with a poor substitute for real living
Our "farms" are now mega and mindless and are essentially kept on life support by massive injections of finite fossil fuels, and the suburbs and mega city dwellers are kept in a constant state of self delusion of "we will just keep all this going off of renewable energy" while remaining above room temperature through consumption of toxins from agribusiness posing as farms.
Yes The Unsettling of America
Wendell Barry was right back in 1977 when he wrote it and it is even more relevant today.
Dog help us all
Mike Smith you should not be asking that question
It could force the delusional believers to actually start looking realistically at all the hype and myth that keeps the fantasy alive.
The 'true believers' might actually be forced to make the fundamental changes necessary to help us "go back to move forward"
That's about all they have are dreams.
I was approached to be part of NABCEP when it first was dreamed up and I saw early on that it would just morph into a means of control and padding of a few already well feathered nests at the expense of real positive and critically needed fundamental change.
But NABCEP will not be the failure of renewable energy
The land grant colleges and extension services that were spun off were not the death of sustainable agriculture. They were simply facilitators of its accelerated decline.
NABCEP is now just playing their part in the same way.
The true threat will ultimately come to fruition not because of any one thing we do. It will be due to accumulated failures as the result of what we won't or cannot do.
For anyone who has been to a few Tea Party gatherings or knows someone who associates with the group you're probably not too surprised by this.
Before the Tea Party became more well known and certainly before it was co-opted by the likes of the Billionaire Koch Brother Sociopaths and Faux News,most of the Tea Party members were rightfully enraged with the Economic Royalists who have always ruled America behind the scenes and finally showed themselves for the pathetic criminals and inbreds they are, with the more than obvious Wall Street and bankster scams in 07-08.
These Tea Party folks only voice their opposition to solar and renewables and electric vehicles and environmental responsibility because of the multibillion dollar protection racket known as the mainstream media. A protection racket owned lock stock and barrel by the same Economic Royalists who have been successful in even getting Tea Party folks to believe that "the liberal media" actually does exist.
Now the same Economic Royalists are having their bought and paid for stenographer 'journalists' scream for all to hear that America is the New Saudi Arabia of oil and gas due to the magic of fracking.
Just one more of their efforts in temporarily fending off those who will soon be climbing the gated walls of the Royalists' compounds, enraged that they were once again lied to as the Royalists drug of choice called fossil fuels finally dried up and the common folks find there really has been little or any effort to find a practical substitute for at least growing enough to keep them fed.
Nothing really new here if you know anything of past history