Preparing for the Coming Wave of Electric Cars

By Stephen Lacey, Staff Writer
May 11, 2010   |   39 Comments

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1 of 39
May 11, 2010
I love Stephen's work, but I hate this type of narrative.
"EV's are coming what problems will they create." Electrical transformers overheating, lack of infrastructure, $15,000 home upgrades, it is all overblown. If someone purchases a Chevy Volt, he can only use 8KWH/day maximum. So let's say that the driver uses only 6KWH/day (30miles). The average household uses 30KWH/day. So 6KWH/day is only a 20 percent increase for this one household. This will go totally unnoticed by the grid operator.
By comparison, my solar panel array dumps 14 KWH/day onto the grid and no one even notices.
Additionally, the Chevy Volt owner can plug into a 110 volt outlet overnight and have no problems. He needs zero infrastructure, zero home upgrade. This idea that a $2500 charger or $15,000 home upgrade is needed is complete BS. I upgraded my 1950's home to 200 amp service for $2000. Also, I question the need for a "charger" at all. At most a 240 V outlet is needed.
What this story should really be about is how much impact the EV's can have on the environment, national security, pollution, global warming, etc. Discussing these non-existent problems is editorial mis-conduct on Stephen's part (but I still love him).
Later
John C. Briggs
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2 of 39
May 11, 2010
Listener's should understand that Bill Reinert (SP) of Toyota does NOT speak for the EV community. Let me translate what he is saying for anyone that may not be familiar with Bill.
He says that he has seen it all before, EVs, ethanol, Hydrogen Fuel cells. These things all come and go. Don't get too excited, the technology isn't ready.
Translation: Toyota is doing great business selling Priuses to people and dear Lord don't let anything change as that might jeopardize our position as the Queen of Green.
Firstly, Tesla has shipped over 1000 EVs that seem to be working just fine and people are driving them around. Toyota shipped over 1000 RAV-4EVs (10 years ago) and people are still driving them around. Seems to me that is a little different from Fuel Cells were no one is driving them around (well OK project driveway has a few vehicles).
About the only sensible thing that Bill said is that Toyota's Plug-in Prius is easy it just connects to a standard 110 outlet. WHAT an EV that doesn't cause the electric grid to explode. An EV that doesn't need new "infrastructure". Could it be possible that EVs might be usable today if Toyota hadn't backed the wrong Li-Ion battery technology and been forced to go back to the drawing board.
Also, I take firm objection to the tone that the car industries are way ahead of regulators and the government. It implies that EVs are strange new beasts that need oversight. In fact, Tesla manage to build their EVs with no problem. No new oversight was needed. It is a car, plain and simple. It just happens to get its power from electrons.
Toyota of all people should know that EVs are here, now. They build EVs every day. They just keep forgetting to put a plug on them.
Let's not let GE off the hook here either. GE benefits from saying that EVs will need new technology, new meters, charging infrastruture, i.e. things GE can sell.
Fact is, we don't need any of it. Thanks but no thanks GE.
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3 of 39
May 12, 2010
I'd like to see on EV manufacturer come up with a no bells and whistles EV. Very sophisticated engineering, great range, easy repair and fabulous longevety but none of the frills and the price tag that goes with it. Also no model changes for at least two decades with the added cost this entails. I bet the market would be huge. Go Tata.
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Let's talk about range. We can charge the electric cars at home, work, or any other fixed locations in about an hour. With only a 100 mile range and our busy lives, an hour may be too long to wait. Why not switch out the battery units at a "gas station". Create a uniform system where batteries are charged (for a fee) by independent operators on location. These stations could either generate their own electricity through renewable sources or simply plug in to the grid. Another business outside the controls of GE would generate competition and perhaps better distribution and efficiency.
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May 12, 2010
Oh for the love of God. There will not be 1,000,000 EV's on the road in 2015. There will probably not be 100,000.

Right now, the Volt is comparable to the Ford Fusion - though supposedly with worse handling - and costs over $20,000 more than the Fusion. The Nissan Leaf is comparable to a Honda Fit or Toyota Yaris and costs ~20,000 more than either.

If electric vehicles have a $20,000 premium over standard ICE's, and a 15,000 premium over hybrid vehicles, then they will not sell 1,000,000 cars anytime soon - because most people have better math skills:

The volt will save a MAXIMUM of 1 gallon/day over the Prius or the Ford Fusion hybrid. That means that, assuming a perfectly scheduled lifetime, in ten years you'd use 3650 gallons less fuel as a result of buying the Volt. If electricity were FREE (it's not), and there was no issues concerning higher interest and insurance payments for the more expensive car (there are lots of issues), then gasoline would have to be more than 4.10/gallon just to break EVEN after 10 years.

If you factor in interest on the purchase, the honest price of electricity, higher insurance for a much more expensive vehicle, and a reasonable discount rate for the additional $15,000 investment (you could have invested it elsewhere and made money - helping you pay for gasoline)... You realize that gasoline will have to be nearly 8.00/gallon for the purchase of a Volt to be anything other than an incredibly stupid waste of money.
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May 12, 2010
John,

Utilities size their transformers, services and other equipment based on diversified demand. If 25% of homeowners suddenly start arriving home from work between 4 and 6 pm and plugging in the their PHEV's while they cook dinner and do laundry it definitely is a potential problem for localized distribution equipment. Your Solar panel is peaking during the middle of the day when few in your neighborhood are home.

I don't think the article is referring to car safety regulations that Tesla may have been able to comply with. What the article is referring to is regulations on utility rate structures to encourage people to charge their vehicles in a manner that will have a minimal impact on utility equipment (and thus on the investments in infrastructure that utilties make that are socialized across all ratepayers).
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May 12, 2010
Technical issues were resolved long ago. Graftocracy impedes progress. End the Fed.

JPChance.wordpress.com
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May 12, 2010
Meeting government goals for electric vehicles will require heavy subsidies (the batteries are very expensive). If public tax dollars are used, it will become even more important to provide opportunities for all competitors in the marketplace by de-monopolizing the power industry. Regulated states that currently employ rigged bidding controlled by the utility monopolies require feed-in tariffs (like 45 other countries). Deregulated states require reform to create a level playing field: remove grandfather and stranded cost subsidies, provide fair access, etc.
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9 of 39
May 12, 2010
I agree with John's comment - upgrading a residential service panel to provide outlets for charging an EV is at worst a $2,000 upgrade - nowhere near $15,000. The place where this will all come together is through PACE funding to allow EV owners to afford the purchase of a solar power system to generate the energy needed to recharge their cars.
For example, the Leaf has a 24kWh battery pack - in sunny Southern California you could produce enough energy on an average day to fully recharge that pack with a 4.5kW solar system. (And on the days when you don't need to recharge, you would offset your home energy use.)
This is the wave of the future and folks can catch that wave now!
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May 12, 2010
Glenn (and this article) is telling us what the auto and oil industry has been telling us for decades. It's too expensive, the grid can't handle it, no on will buy them, your house will need a huge upgrade (even a new panel, which you'll only need if every spot in your panel is already full, only costs $2000. Where did $15K come from). I don't believe the talk for a second. The Leaf already has 100K pre-orders. I don't pre-order anything or buy a car in it's first year, but I have solar panels and will purchase a Leaf or something very similar in it's 2nd year. The reason it isn't a waste of money is because the price will fall somewhat as soon as they get rolling, PLUS no maintenance. I have to take my car in for and "oil change" every month, and every month they find something else that needs fixing and it ends up between $500 and $2500. The Prius has TWO engines and it's not much more expensive than a gas-only car. These cars will be widely popular.
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May 12, 2010
I am a low milage driver and since my hybrid SUV gets me 25+mpg, the 10,000 miles I drive means I only by 400 gallons of gasoline. At $4 per gallon that would be $1,600 per year not something that would justify a second electric vehicle. However, a plug hybrid version of my vehicle would allow me to have one vehicle and get most of the cost advantages of an electric vehicle since I average less than 28 miles a day.
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May 12, 2010
Reinert says it takes 3-4 DAYS to charge an EV at 110v? What planet has he been on?
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Anonymous
May 12, 2010
This article did in exaggerate some costs like house electrical heavy-ups but ignored other costs like road taxes that are sure to come. Charging at off peak hours is critical and may not meet our lifestyles. For some time to come most people will be running electric vehicles on coal at total thermal efficiencies less than our present vehicles. In the next 50 or 100 years, everyone will be driving electric vehicles, but for the shorter run it will be liquid fuels. The government is offering outrageous subsidies to electric vehicles which could be better spent on improving efficiencies within the existing infrastructure.
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14 of 39
May 12, 2010
Jim,

Unless you have a battery system storing the energy from your solar panels throughout the day, it is not going to really help you charge your car overnight (which is when the majority of folks will be doing so). It may offset your bills, but it doesn't help much with the utilization of the local utility equipment.
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Anonymous
May 12, 2010
Germany won't provide subsidies for electric car purchases, but instead fund research programs to advance the technology. They claim limitations in terms of cost and energy density of current battery technology. America, Britain and other countries will go broke trying to put electric cars on the road before they are ready.
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16 of 39
May 12, 2010
I would like to pose a question? As most vehicles are parked in the sun during the day, why isn't solar panel technology built in the flat surfaces of the vehicle, at least trickle charging while it is not being used.
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May 12, 2010
Having solar panels to produce power for EV does make some sence. Because this is when the power company typicaly has its peak power load. Charging at night is when the demand is the lowest. This is also when power is the cheapest to produce.
How it works.
Solar panels produce electricity ( KWH ) this runs your meter backwards, thus reducing your electric bill. At night when you charge your EV it runs your electric meter forward. But if you can get time of use from your power company. This is when the power company charges you a higher rate during peak use times, and a lower rate when you are off peak use time. This works well with solar and a EV combination. Because you are getting payed the highest rate when you produce power, and you pay the lowest rate when you use the most power. You need a nice size PV grid tied solar system for this to work.
Check with the power company if they have net metering and time billing.
Make sure your meter bydirection also. The mechanical meters are. If it has a digital read out it may not be bydirectional.

Half the power produce in the US comes from coal fired power plants.

Having a smart grid allows the power company regulate the demand for power. This would reduce sudden changes in power demand. It could do this by comunicating with EV's charger. They could find out how much charge the vehicle will need. So they could delay charging or reduce the rate of charge until power is available. This way the power company can match the load to the power.
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May 12, 2010
I agree with Jim (RunOnSun): Sun power for an EV, via a home solar system is the way to go for many, many people, especially those of us living in the sunny SW and in solar-friendly states like California, Colorado, Arizona, etc. We will be saving tens of thousands of dollars over the course of the next ten years by powering a LEAF, or similarly priced EV, with home-generated solar electricity.
Yes, your savings depends on where you live and what Federal, state and utility incentives there are for EVs and solar. But there are states were incentives for both are very good: California, Colorado and New Jersey among them. If you live in one of these states, you could be saving a lot of money (over a filthy, polluting gas-car) by solar-charging an EV (interesting that RenewableEnergyWorld doesn't even cover this angle in this column). This flies in the face of the negative and simplistic "analysis" by Glenn, above. And please don't get started on "unfair" subsidies for renewable energy forms like solar, which are out-subsidized by fossil fuels in the U.S. almost four to one...
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Anonymous
May 12, 2010
Whoooooooaaaaaaaaa Besssssssie!!!

EV Auto mfgrs and/or their dealers, knowing the price of the vehicle, offer the
buyer 24 LED lights, for deployment throughout each and every home. Figure the
grid savings of a city with that type of salesmanship! The grid use will tumble.

Those good bulbs are now awailable at WalMark stores, and the more sold, say to a
car mfgr. in bulk, hundered and hundreds of them the price per bulb to them will
be great. Lighting is about 50% of grid use? Do all street lights in every city
also. Those are most definitely available now, with solar panels on each pole.

Also, fibre-optic lighting, funneling sunlight into offices, is now tech coming
available.

It's a new world. Stop the present one long enough to buy a seat and climb aboard.
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Anonymous
May 12, 2010
Oops, please excuse the typos on preceding message. SORRY!
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21 of 39
May 13, 2010
I've been thinking more about Glenn's comments (way near the top). Who buys a car based on the smartest financial decision? If we did, we'd all be driving 10 year old Honda Civics. Glenn says an electric is a "stupid waste of money". Well, what is a BMW? or an SUV (which no one drive off-road in real life)? or an F-150 with a 7 inch lift and 40 inch tires? or a 1964 Mustang? They are all a "stupid waste of money". They are also all fun as hell. EVs will be very popular. Who knows how popular, but to discount them as a fad is a mistake.
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22 of 39
May 13, 2010
The podcast was extremely disturbing, much more than the article.

Bill Reinert, the national manager for Toyota's advanced technology group, said US government regulators pulled the plug on fuel cell vehicles just when they were becoming affordable. Reinert also seemed to be mocking the way the US government has advocated electric, then fuel cell, and then back to electric vehicles.

I suspect electric vehicles will suffer the same fate as fuel cells again and then maybe we can go back to fuel cells again. No wonder the government is nationalizing the auto industry.

Same with mandating wind and solar to fail for electricity generation.

Henry Ford also found US bankers and oil companies killed ethanol with government policies, including mandates, that directed efforts to corn and recently cellulose. The less corrupt bananna republic of Brazil has succeeded with sugar cane.

The US government seems to be running the nation in circles, always wasting efforts and keeping technologies in the research stage and uneconomic, so nothing ever gets done.

They must want an energy crisis so they can profit off other people's misery. This smells as bad as their oil spill in the Gulf.

This is just like the way the country develops new industries and ships them off to emerging low-wage nations, forcing Americans to reeducate.

Everything is manipulated. Fascism. Crony capitalism. Tech bubbles. Failures and bailouts. Monopolies. No real free markets. Other US industries are the same, especially health care and housing (Wall Street banking bubble).

If you people want to keep voting for these whores who are bankrupting the country, more power to you. But I am absolutely done with this country, except as a whipping boy!
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May 13, 2010
@Chuck conover.

First, I wholeheartedly agree that paying 40,000 for a luxury car is quite stupid.

There were less than 1,000,000 luxury cars sold globally in 2009. They manage to sell the stupid cars by offering a smoother ride, roomier interior, more gadgets and amenities, and a very reliable brand - so people feel they never need fear breaking down.

EV's, on the other hand, offer less luggage space, worse handling, less gadgets and amenities, and a limited range. They only offer the driver a COMPLETELY FALSE belief that he/she is doing something good for the planet...

It took the Prius - which only has a ~5000 cost premium - nearly a decade before 1,000,000 sales were reached, and the Prius justifies itself economically at ~3.00/gallon. Moreover, it absolutely and incontrovertably does help the environment.

With a $20,000 premium, I think EV's will have difficulty exceeding ~300,000 in sales within the next decade - I'm not particularly impressed by a list of people who SAY they want to buy a car.
;)
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May 13, 2010
PHEV and EVs run on 57% coal, 17% natural gas, 20% nuclear and 6% hyro. That's 100%. Where's solar and wind?

And more than TWICE [empirical observations] 3412.14162 BTU has to go in for each 1 kWh out.

It's fun to compare petroleum based vehicles burning about 114,000 BTU/gal with PHEV and EVs by calculating BTU/mile.

We believe the kWh/mile PHEV and EV usage has to be more than doubled to account for practical losses in production of electricity.

Google, 'How Meaningful Is 230-MPG?' on PHEVs.

And google 'scripting languages pollute' for links to Harbor Freight moncrystalline 5 watt solar panel experiments and more on these lines of thinking.

We are challenging the Public Service Company of New Mexico [PNM] written assertion that HEAT RATE is not applicalble to PV and Trough solar and wind generation of electricity.
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May 14, 2010
Hey Glenn,
I guess it's silly to argue what will happen. We'll know soon enough. But, while the Prius did take awhile to take off, the new EVs are being introduced in an environment where Toyota expects to sell 1M Priuses a year.

I think your definition of "luxury car" might be too narrow, though. I don't have any facts on the matter, but just driving around my po-dunk Arizona town where the mean income is $26K/yr, I see an awful lot of Corvettes, Porche, jacked-up pick-ups, and even quads. All of these are for pure fun.

I took a look at the specs for the Nissan Leaf and I'm so excited by the electronics in this thing. Basically, it's an Ipod on wheels. When it's home, it will be plugged in, so I can connect to it with my smart phone and it will tell me how charged it is and even send me a message when its fully charged. Can you not see a bunch of computer geeks standing around gawking at the interface as if the thing were a new Ferrari? They might even develop and API where geeks like me can write add-on programs and I could download apps for it.

I'm confused by your assertion that a Prius helps the environment, but an EV won't. I'm sure you know that electic doesn't pollute nearly as much as fossil fuels. And, of course, we don't have to kill all the people living on top of the oil if we aren't using it.

Of course, I'm assuming an EV won't have a 20K premium for long or there will be huge incentives. With 2 engines, a hybrid is much more complex than a pure EV. But, we'll see.
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Anonymous
May 16, 2010
There is no point in scaring people with thoughs of $15000 electical system upgrades. If the (a) house was built in the 1980s it has an electic stove, an AC system, electric dryer or a water heater - all are sources of 240 Volts. Baring this, install a relay - none of which cost a lot of money.
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May 16, 2010
We have realistic idea to develop energy for auto and need proper investor to develop a prototype, look for venture capital fund, investment to make!
Our vision is to make truly independent automobile, for example people should be able to move from Chennai/India to Lisbon/Portugal or any two ends of any continent with road connected.
Email: cefwaimpex@gmail.com or cefwa@live.com
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May 18, 2010
@glenn-doty-175949 Let's not exaggerate here. The Nissan LEAF will be $25,000 after government incentives. It is well equipped and therefore might be comparable to a $17,000 Honda Fit.
Let's assume
$3/gallon,
25 miles/gallon,
10,000 miles/year, for
10 years.
$12,000 for gasoline

Now for the electric car fuel cost
$0.16/KWH
0.2KWH/mile
10,000 miles/year
10 years
$3,200 for electricity

Gas car
$17,000 for car
$12,000 for gas
$29,000 total

Electric car
$25,000 for car
$3,200 for electricity
$28,300 total

OK so there you have it, the electric car and gas car are actually similar in cost to the owner.
Later
John C. Briggs
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May 18, 2010
@Panthael I completely disagree with the extreme assumptions that you lay out. 25% of the customers with a high power circuit perhaps 220V is very unlikely any time soon.
A lot of the early adopters will be using 110V line that will be more like turning on a hair dryer. The cars will be programmable to turn on the charging later at night, so no fancy new GE products are needed.
This is typical utility BS. They claimed, for years, that solar panels would be a big problem to manage on the grid. They are not a problem at all. Now when the utilities are forced to accept PV on the home, they send you a huge document to sign as if you are a major power producer. The truth is, you should just be allowed to connect to the grid without telling anyone. It looks just like a negative 2500 watt load. No big deal.
I said it before, and I will say it again, the Chevy Volt will likely be a 20% increase in daily power consumption. With the relatively modest rate at which they will be added to the vehicle fleet, the power utilities will not even know or care about the load except possibly in a few hot days in August.
This reminds me of when toilet were switched from 3.5 to 1.6 gallons per flush. There was concern that the sewer lines would not keep flowing. Guess what, no problem. For two reasons. Firstly, the new toilets are only added in slowly. Secondly, it was never going to be a problem as all the showers and clothes washers dilute any solid waste greatly. Now the electricity utilities are spewing out their own sold waste.
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May 18, 2010
@Panthael Solar power is on-peak power so it does help the utilities. When the sun is shining in August, people need AC and the Solar panels crank out the power. It is a great match.
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May 18, 2010
@len-waud-172551 Too little surface area to be effective. Many people have tried this. It just does not provide a useful amount of power.
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May 18, 2010
@billp37
EV's are simply more efficient than gasoline cars. This is a big part of the reason that EV's cost about 3cents/mile to run versus 10cent/mile for a gasoline car.
Also, think about the beauty of being able to power your car from clean electric power from solar panels on your own roof. The future can look very bright and we will not need to argue about coal or gasoline.
I am interested, however, in comparing the efficiency of Nat.Gas produced electricity versus CNG powered cars. This would be very interesting indeed.
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May 19, 2010
@JohnCBriggs
"The Cars will be programmable to turn on their chargers later at night"

Who is going to enforce that? Why would a consumer behave that way unless there was an incentive to do so? Not every utility offers TOU rates.

I'm not trying to say that the world is going to end, I'm just trying to say, as the Podcast does, that the issues that will arise are likely going to be minor improvements/upgrades to local distribution equipment. There is a cost to this that is passed onto consumers through their electric rates. Selling power back during the middle of the day is a completely different load profile and issue.

A lot of distribution feeders I see peak from 4-6 PM when people get home from work. I don't think anyone can say that there will be no impact from EV's being plugged in when people get home at these hours and plug them in.

Also, I'll be sure to tell any lineman I run into that there's no reason for the utilities they work for to require customers to certify in writing that they are installing UL certified equipment designed to IEEE standards. Paperwork may be a burden, but it's often in place for a reason.
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May 20, 2010
@Panthael
RE:"The Cars will be programmable to turn on their chargers later at night"
I agree that compliance might be an issue. On the other hand, even if the much hallowed (sp) smart grid comes along, I suspect you will be able to opt-out and car your car whenever you want.
Over time, people can understand the risk of blackout's and brownout's and will likely behave appropriately.

Let's assume you are correct that people plug in at home between 4-6 pm (firstly I want a job like that, but that is another story). Perhaps the best thing that Chevy and Nissan can do is that "by-default" the car will not charge during that period. This would have an immediate impact and would not need to wait for the smart grid.

On to the other subject. When I connect my home to the grid, there is no special paperwork for me to fill out. The safety of the electrical equipment is the responsibility the electrical inspectors. The lineman trusts the electrical inspectors to do their job.
When I upgraded the electrical service from 100 amps to 200 amps, there was no special paperwork. The lineman rely on the electrical inspectors.
So therefore, when I install a solar power system, I don't expect a thick document to sign. Firstly, this is no different from upgrades to my home electrical system. Secondly, who the heck am I to tell them that the equipment is installed correctly or not. If they think there is a risk (and there isn't) then they should have someone qualified inspect the system and sign off on it. There is no value in having a non-electrically-qualified home owner sign a piece of paper (or multiple pieces) because the home owner likely does not know anything about the system.
Also, there are already national standards in place for inverts for both safety (inlanding) and AC signal quality (no square waves thankyou). So there is no problem with the safety. If the grid goes down, a few milliseconds later, the inverter shuts down.
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May 20, 2010
@Panthael Also, one more brief distraction here. Before we make any assumputions about what the utilities can and can not do, and whether or not they can deliver the "smart grid," consider this.
The two major utilities in my area (NSTAR and National Grid) cannot even generate a correct bill for people with solar panels. If you generate more then you consume, they have to hand-write the "bill". This include placing false information into the billing system to get the bill to come out "correctly".
The utilities are an old school monopoly that cannot even get out of their own way. Don't count on them leading the country forward because they are too busy looking backwards.
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May 21, 2010
John,

Connecting a new home or upgrading a new service is a little different in my mind. You're not proposing anything that could actually send energy out onto the grid. Once you start pushing kW out yourself, you should have a little more responsiblity. The inspector is still relied upon. The paperwork the customers in my area fill out only requires information on the make and model, size, whether it meets national standards, and information on the inspection.

I'd imagine there's also a financial/accounting component to the paperwork since you could potentially be making money on the system from the utility.
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July 30, 2010
Hi:

Have to comment even though this topic thread is way dead. What is all the talk about 220-240vac being an upgrade or unavailable. Practically every house in the USA that has even a fairly recent PP has 220-240vac service!! What is all the, "I don't have it" non sense???..

.....Bill
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September 30, 2010
Obama's stated goal of 1 million vehicles, like practically everything that comes out of his mouth, is pure nonsense. We have over 250 million cars in this country. The idea that a million cars could make a difference is totally absurd, even discounting the obvious - that by 2015 we will add way more than a million new ICE vehicles to our highways.
As o the issue of grid capacity, even with ALL our cars electric, we have so much excess capacity now that this will not be a problem. People simply will seldom charge during peak hours.
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May 30, 2011
Vehicle purchasing habits among Americans have modified as the price of gas has been rising. Small automobiles that sip from the tank in the lightest manner possible have proven to be the best sellers, as buyers have been avoiding less useful and more expensive green options. I found this here: Compact cars far more popular than electric cars, cardealexpert.com/news-information
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