Full Cost Accounting of Energy; A Detailed Discussion about Future Wind Technologies

By Stephen Lacey, Podcast Editor
April 17, 2008   |   6 Comments

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April 18, 2008
The "true costs" of fossil, nuclear and renewable energies will demonstrate that only
"Geothermic Power" can offer all the cures required that our growing global population can survive on our planet.
The increasing worldwide pollution, artificial global warming victims and dangers, health risks and the depletion of the only sustainable base load available was and still is neglected.
It is shocking, to see the misinformation and distraction by the media, politicians and industrial leaders.

The only unlimited and very affordable power supply can be made in future by new developed "VERTICAL TUNNELS".
This super-innovation is a viable energy solution without side-effects and can extract temperatures up to 500 °C from deeper regions of the earth crust. The 3-meter diameter vertical tunnel can deliver 2,000 [MW] at almost any locations for 2,0 [¢/kWh].
Several locations are already in progress !

More information is available, if you enter at the first page of "YAHOO.com" in the upper address bar only "TURBOJACK.COM" or "GESO.BIZ".

Any questions ? E-mail to : eric@turbojack.com.
Helmut.
04-18-2008
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April 19, 2008
One good company to look at is Raser (RZ). They are both making electric drives that can be used on Hybrids and many inductrial applications and building Geothermal generation plants.
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April 19, 2008
Here is a copy of my letter to Helmut:

Dear Sir,

I have some questions to ask.

1. What method have you planned to remove all the material from the tunnel as it is being dug?

2. What method of controls do you plan to use since the heat will have an effect on the electronics or do you intend to insulate and provide cooling to the electronics?

3. Will you be able to extract your equipment for repairs or upon completion?

4. Will the actual digging site be accessible to humans or is all to be done by a robotic control system? Are you developing heat protective suits of any type?

Best regards,

Adrian Akau
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April 24, 2008
Re. Herre Rost Van Tonningen. So true heat of the earth is not a sustainable source, it worries me taking anything from the depths of the earth that may effect the fragile structure, it would not take much to have an effect on the tectonic plates which could have disasterous effect.
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Using the heat of earth is only a temporarily solution: all future systems should be a full cycle: no heat ar other extraction from the worlds atmosphere. The earth's capacity is not unlimited, that is what the Club of Rome already demonstrated.
Wind, Solar, Wave, Hydro are full cycle energy sources.
And with regards to the costs of fossil systems. In at the most 10 years solar is at parity of standard costs of fossil powrstations. That means that new fossil powerstation should be depreciated in max 10 years, doubling the investment costs in the kWh price.
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June 3, 2008
An excellent interview w. Mr. Lynch on total cost accounting. While in the course of his discussion he addressed many costs that most people would never have suspected, I believe that some more direct whole system costs were overlooked with respect to fossil fuels (e.g. petrol/gasoline), and the carbon effluent involved.

It's not simply the cost of extraction and transportation to the consuming country as mentioned (U.S.), but the carbon cost of: getting it to a somewhat limited amount of refineries; direct costs of refining the raw product; and the final product moving from a limited amount of centralized refineries to their end distribution points (gas stations).

Our oil enterprise is virutally a messy version of the FedEx model of operation (everything goes to a centralized Memphis), an arguably far less efficient.

Again, this is not to take away from Mr. Lynch's points of direct as well as subjective costs, but let's not shirk the inefficient, costly and more measurable side-effects of oil dependence.
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