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How Obama Should Tackle Climate Change and Energy Independence in His Second Term

Tam Hunt, Contributor
February 07, 2013  |  78 Comments

President Obama has already provided climate change and energy issues a prominent place in his second term rhetoric, giving climate change and the environment the most space of all issues in his inaugural address. He also vowed in December to make climate change and energy one of his top three priorities in his second term.

But we’ve been here before. It’s a little known fact – already lost in the sands of time for most people – that Obama’s first State of the Union speech stated: “It begins with energy.” Energy was in fact the most prominent issue in many of his talks and other communications for the first part of his second term. That is, until it became clear that dramatically lower energy prices, from the crash of 2008 until the middle of 2009, had weakened public support for tackling the sources of record high energy prices, and for tackling climate change issues in a struggling economy.

Energy and climate change issues slowly slid away from Obama rhetorically, even while he enacted some fairly far-reaching reforms in his first term that will do much to mitigate climate change and enhance energy independence. A few of Obama’s signature achievements on these issues in his first term: 

  • New fuel economy (CAFÉ) standards, requiring that cars and light trucks achieve a 54 mpg standard by 2025. There are some loopholes, to be sure, that bring this down to about 36-42 mpg, but this is still a major, and highly cost-effective, measure for reducing oil consumption in the US. The Energy Information Administration calculates that this change alone will reduce our oil consumption by four billion barrels from 2017 to 2025, about 60% of our current annual consumption – and of course far more after 2025 as gains continue
  • Tax credits and loan guarantees for renewable energy and energy efficiency. Despite the Solyndra debacle, and the political opportunism that accompanied it, the fact is that the loan guarantee program that Solyndra used has performed better than expected when Congress created it. Congress allocated up to 10% of the loans to failed companies or projects and as of now the actual failure rate is less than 5% of all funds awarded. More generally, the tax credits and other incentives provided by the 2009 ARRA “stimulus package” were a major boon for renewable energy and energy efficiency and have helped to achieve record years for solar and wind power in the last few years even while the economy more generally has been struggling
  • Proposed new rules for regulating greenhouse gases from new power plants. Ironicallly, this new rule, proposed in April 2012 and receiving a huge amount of criticism from coal supporters, will, according to the EPA’s economic analysis, do literally nothing in terms of preventing new coal power plants from being built. This is the case because EPA projects that existing market forces (primarily much lower natural gas prices) will already prevent any new coal plants from being built through 2030. So why enact the rule? Well, it establishes definitely the EPA’s legal right to explicitly regulate greenhouse gases for the first time. And market forces may change, so it does make some sense to enact this new rule

What about Obama’s second act? How should he proceed on his recent promises to do something real about the threat of climate change? We are approaching $100 a barrel again for oil. 2012 was officially the most expensive year ever for gasoline in the US, as well as the hottest year on record for the contiguous US. It is highly likely, with the US and global economies recovering, that oil and gasoline prices will shoot far higher by the summer. The time is now for Obama to take substantial actions on these very important issues. 

Here are my recommendations, discussed further below:

  • Reconsider opposition to a national carbon tax
  • Phase in regulation of greenhouse gases from existing power plants
  • Enact a national Renewable Electricity Standard (RES)
  • Require states to implement existing law (PURPA) that allows private developers to sell renewable energy to utilities at cost-effective rates
  • Require all federal agencies to reach 50% electric vehicles in their fleet by 2020, if this can be done cost-effectively 

A National Carbon Tax

Economists of all stripes agree that a modest carbon tax (say, 10-15 cents/gallon of gasoline) would be a highly effective way to reduce emissions. Bernie Sanders recently proposed a carbon fee proposal in the Senate. Tom Friedman recently proposed that a carbon tax could be a highly effective “two-fer” – it could both reduce emissions and revenue could be used to offset the national deficit, an eminently sensible proposition. I’ve argued previously that the national focus on cap and trade is misplaced and a well-designed carbon tax would be much better.

Unfortunately, the White House has recently expressed opposition to a carbon tax. Let’s hope that changes.

Phase in Regulation of Greenhouse Gases from Existing Power Plants

Obama’s EPA hasn’t officially announced its intent to regulate GHGs from existing power plants – but it is legally obligated to eventually do so under the clear language of the Clean Air Act. This will surely be the mother of all regulatory battles if and when it does happen. It seems that any regulation of existing facilities will have to be phased in slowly, and that’s probably for the best since it may entail significant economic dis-location. In a struggling economy (and in any economy, for that matter), we’ve got to be sensitive to job issues as well as environmental and broader economic issues.

The modest carbon tax discussed above could, and probably should, include existing power plants, and it could be introduced at a very modest level and slowly increased over time. This doesn’t seem to be on EPA’s or Congress’ radar at this time, but public pressure can always help to change minds. 

A National RES 

I am not a big fan of coercive government measures. I’d prefer that markets did their job and provided for the common good in an appropriate time frame. But climate change is a classic example of how markets can fail to incorporate externalities – in this case the harm to our environment and to us from increased greenhouse gas emissions, or the risk of oil price spikes – and it is for this reason that I do support strong national and state measures when it comes to climate change and energy. 

A national Renewable Energy Standard (RES) could provide a floor for states to achieve a certain level of renewable energy by a certain date. More than half of all states already have an RES in place, but many of the dirtiest polluting states don’t have an RES. An RES doesn’t say “achieve higher renewables at any cost.”  Rather, every RES I’ve examined has a cost-effectiveness requirement or an economic safety valve of some sort. A national RES would surely include a cost-effectiveness requirement. And the good news is that many renewables are now cost-effective and are becoming increasingly cheaper over time. 

Modify PURPA 

PURPA was passed by Congress in 1978 under Pres. Carter’s direction. It was the first law that allowed private energy developers to sell power to utilities for a set fee – a type of “feed-in tariff.” PURPA was implemented in different ways by each state, with varying success. In California, PURPA was responsible for an “embarrassment of riches” in terms of new wind, biomass and solar projects, made competitive by the record high oil and gas prices during the 1980s. The majority of our renewables in California are still PURPA projects, though this is changing fast.

Unfortunately, PURPA was largely gutted in recent years and it’s faded as an effective tool for promoting renewables for a variety of reasons. It’s time for Congress to modify PURPA again and to require states to implement PURPA in a way that is effective in promoting renewables. In other words, it’s time for a real national “feed-in tariff” (also described in recent years as CLEAN programs, or Clean Energy Accessible Now). 

RES and feed-in tariff policies are complementary in that an RES sets the goal and a feed-in tariff is a tool for reaching the goal. 

Require Federal Agencies to Reach 50 Percent Electric Vehicles by 2020 

On the transportation side of the energy equation, we face a much more difficult challenge. The electricity sector is already undergoing impressive transformation – just not fast enough, and that’s why I recommend the above measures. The transportation sector is a much tougher nut to crack because there are few truly viable alternatives to oil today. Electric vehicles, along with price-induced conservation (which will continue to happen naturally) and more efficient vehicles, present the best solutions for the transportation sector. 

We’ve seen an impressive first two years of EV sales in the US and abroad – but it’s just a prelude to much bigger things. To accelerate this transition to EVs becoming mainstream, Obama should require that all federal agency fleets have 50% EVs by 2020. This would be a major spur to the market in the next few years and would help get the EV market to scale, allowing all consumers to realize significant savings in terms of lower EV costs. 

It will be a tough slog to mitigate climate change and energy price issues in the coming years, but the recommendations above will be a good start. 

Lead image: Alan Freed via Shutterstock

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Galen Maloney
Galen Maloney
February 26, 2013
All the readers of this article seem to have a keen interest in innovative solutions to the rising demand for energy and the consequences of meeting that demand with nuclear and or fossil fuel generation.

My father invented a process called Nautical Torque and it offers an innovative solution that would use the slow rise and fall of large vessels. Attached to a stationary gearing system, this kinetic energy can be turned into abundant (and baseload) renewable electricity.

Please visit the crowdfunding campaign we just launched to see our a video and an explanation of this concept. And if you like it, contribute or at least spread the word. Only through action will things get done.

www.indiegogo.com/cahill
Dr. A. Cannara
Dr. A. Cannara
February 20, 2013
Not much of an absolutist, eh Terry?
;]
This is good: "The overwhelming consensus of scientists is that burning fossil fuels endangers the continuing presence of humans on the planet."

So now we know that Terry isn't just a non-scientist, but doesn't care about non humans!

See, Terry, people who took their education and responsibilities seriously do their best to make reasonable, effective choices at any given point of critical decision.

So, when something has 1/2 the threat of something else, and we have no other immediately viable choices, thoughtful, considerate folks will choose to, for example, burn gas rather than coal, until a better choice can be raised.

Your statements are those of someone who thinks in shallow fashion without benefit of deep study or thorough science.

In other words, your words are sadly those of one unqualified for leadership, Terry.

What again was that 1 degree you said you received, Terry?
;]
terry hallinan
terry hallinan
February 19, 2013
Only unprincipled hacks who blame dedicated scientists and mathematicians for their support of destruction of the planet with fossil fuels will ever be called out by me on blogs devoted to support of green energy.

The overwhelming consensus of scientists is that burning fossil fuels endangers the continuing presence of humans on the planet.

Science is not democratic and even some Nobel laureates disagree with the consensus.

That is fine. Scientific truth is ephemeral and vigorous dissent should be welcomed as aid in seeking elusive truth if it is not accompanied by invective and untruthfulness.

Best, Terry
Dr. A. Cannara
Dr. A. Cannara
February 19, 2013
Is that really your "Best, Terry"?

Everyone who disagrees with your ignorance is a "hack"?

You'll go far, Terry, What was that one degree you said you had, Terry? We're still awaiting your revelation.
;]
terry hallinan
terry hallinan
February 19, 2013
Forget the Nobel laureate economists and such people, says Dr. A.

Rely on paid hacks and the sort of knuckleheads that are leading the UK to a third economic debacle in the very short term.

Sure. You bet. Good stuff.

At least Prof. Helm doesn't seem to think fossil fuels are better than clean energy like Dr. A.

Best, Terry
Dr. A. Cannara
Dr. A. Cannara
February 19, 2013
It might be worth seeing what experienced economists have to say about how to implement effective carbon controls...
www.policyexchange.org.uk/modevents/item/fixing-climate-policy-with-professor-dieter-helm-cbe
terry hallinan
terry hallinan
February 19, 2013
Obama has been a very weak reed indeed in regard to energy policy.

"Tom Friedman recently proposed that a carbon tax could be a highly effective "two-fer" – it could both reduce emissions and revenue could be used to offset the national deficit, an eminently sensible proposition."

Rather it is an economically indefensible suggestion though perhaps politically popular.

No sensible person plants their gardens outdoors here in New York in February and it makes no more sense to look for ways to reduce the deficit in distressed economic conditions.

A carbon tax is a fine idea, particularly if it is offset by spending to offset the hit on the working class, but, God forgive Tom Friedman, not to further harm poor folk and look out for the upper classes.

To aim for further production and reliance on fossil fuels with the purported purpose of increasing renewable power, mainly from the unreliable intermittents is insane.

Best, Terry
ERIC ROBINSON
ERIC ROBINSON
February 16, 2013
Lets talk about population! We have already reached "peak child"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezVk1ahRF78 This TED Talk is a very thorough and sensible treatment of the topic. The global population will level off at 10 billion. For that density to live on this planet with humanity and some sort of acceptable lifestyle we need a backbone of abundant, inexpensive, no CO2, low pollution energy. LFTR can be that backbone. the waste heat can be used to desalinate water, capture CO2 to synthesize liquid fuels for air travel and to produce fertilizer from atmospheric N2. Here is a complete workable plan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLX8jCKL9I4
Dr. A. Cannara
Dr. A. Cannara
February 16, 2013
Philip, I'll repeat again what was said above about waste heat --

" ~16 terawatts humans generate ends up as low-grade heat. But the sun gives us 86,000 terawatts" some of that is reflected back into space.

But, the net result is that even with GHG & soot absorption, pollution reflection, etc. the Earth is net ~1/2W/sq meter biased toward warming. You can see that even our 16TW, if generated by 1/3-efficient systems, is maybe 50TW out of tens of thousands of incoming solar TW that are absorbed.

Waste heat is not a problem, and likely never will be. Population is already the real problem no one wants to talks about.
Ralph allen
Ralph allen
February 16, 2013
WOW Philip, ever wonder why no other person of any scientific body thinks the same way as you do? Ever wonder why people avoid you when you start on this ignorant spiel about people heat the atmosphere? SOOO your saying that the heat does not radiate away into space? The human introduction of say .005 to the heat equation compared to the earths internal heat engine and by far the massive energy by the sun somehow has an impact? Ever wonder why no one will listen to you when you send them letter of your great incite?
Philip Haddad
Philip Haddad
February 16, 2013
Gaucho- Talk about blowhards. Nuclear reactors emit heat. That is the problem. If you think that an asphalt road getting hot because the sun shines on it, proves anything about the cause of global warming you are missing the point. The sun supplies the greatest part of earth's energy and has for billions of years, and the balance with the rest of nature has given us the livable climate we have had for 10-20,000 years. The present rise in temperature is caused by the excess supplied by humans since about 1800. It is not the CO2, it is the heat!
Ralph allen
Ralph allen
February 16, 2013
Unbelievable! Where are these guys coming from? Waste heat from nuclear reactors and coal is NOT an issue. Whoever believes that is just ignorant. Yet that does not seem to stop them from dominating the comment section. The world is in trouble and growing a beard does not make you or the other guy who believes the miniscule heat from energy usage could have any impact on global warming. All you need to do is stand next to blacktop road to know this. / / Then he goes on to say that solar will take care of all the energy needs of the country and he would prefer that. It is not a matter of preference it is a matter of what is needed to keep an industrial society functioning. We all do not live on a green farm in the country growing organic foods and most of us will NEVER want that simple life style. / / In order for large reduction in carbon emmisions to occur fast the world is going to need all of the above alternatives to carbon. With that said the cost of just one aircraft carrier without the planes would pay for the initial engineering and development and industrial prototype of three separate efforts to get LFTR going. The reason I say three is that our large corporate enterprises are in general parasites that will milk any project unless there is competition that spurs them to quick development. We also need alternative to designs that initially fail. This country needs to foster the knowledge base and the competition to build these reactors ASAP. / / This is one of the best Ideas I have seen for generating large amounts of distributed base load that is cheap and virtually non polluting and cheap. \ Please if you post more than 20% on a board you are probabily want some blowhard that craves attention.
Dr. A. Cannara
Dr. A. Cannara
February 15, 2013
You don't appear to get it, Phil.

See, what you think doesn't matter. We're not trying to convince you of anything, so no need for what shrinks call "witholding".

I view these exchanges as ways to allow others to get good information, rather than misinformation.
http://climatecolab.org/web/guest/plans/-/plans/contestId/4/planId/15025
Phil Manke
Phil Manke
February 15, 2013
I remain unimpressed and invulnerable. Solar energy is far more benign and distributed in economic benefit and environmental sustainability. Your quoted facts mean little in the larger picture over time.
ERIC ROBINSON
ERIC ROBINSON
February 15, 2013
WAMSR - A molten salt reactor that consumes spent nuclear fuel
Skip to 6 min to avoid the introduction and get to the energy production.
Grads from MIT http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAFWeIp8JT0
They show how to produce 70 years of global electricity while consuming the 270,000 metric tons of high level radioactive waste sitting around in cooling pools.
Dr. A. Cannara
Dr. A. Cannara
February 15, 2013
Oops, Phil, I missed this little gem:

"nuke power of any kind is merely centralization of power by parasitic capital extractive marketers that seek to obscure their heat dumping and toxic products from scrutiny of the control."

Here are some factual sources, Phil...

Calif. Council on Science and Technology, "California's Energy Future", 2012 -- 1/3 wind & solar, 1/3 nuclear, 1/3 hydro, etc. But you know more than real scientists & engineers, he Phil?

Then there's: "Comparison of Life Cycle Emissions in Metric Tons of CO2 per GW-hour for various modes of generation", P.J. Meier, "Life-Cycle Assessment of electricity Generation Systems with Applications for Climate Change Policy Analysis" -- which shows wind, nuclear, hydro & geothermal about equal for lifetime CO2 emissions, while solar is over twice that and biomass over 3 times as emissive.

And, since salt reactors need no huge, high-pressure containment, mining, etc. and are more efficcient, their stats are then unmatched by any power source.



,
Dr. A. Cannara
Dr. A. Cannara
February 15, 2013
Yes, Philip, most all the ~16 terawatts humans generate ends up as low-grade heat. But the sun gives us 86,000 terawatts, so we're a bit away from having waste heat be a problem. The GHG and ozone-killing problems are the serious ones now.
Dr. A. Cannara
Dr. A. Cannara
February 15, 2013
We'll let Phil smile while he & his kids pay for Chinese advanced reactors that we invented.
;]
Phil (the nuclear 'expert') says: "No indication to scalability."

Really, Phil? Ever read the ORNL reports about the various salt reactors they built?

Maybe if you transport yourself back to the Cold War, Phil, you might grasp why: a) the reactors we've used for 60 years worked for the Navy, and b) why reactors that were safer but didn't make Plutonium well weren't as interesting to throw $ at.

You can even watch Nixon make the wrong choice in the '70s here...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbyr7jZOllI?=5618117
;]
The Chinese aren't so dumb...
www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/01/china_thorium_bet/

And, DoE & UC Berkeley are even helping them along.
Phil Manke
Phil Manke
February 15, 2013
No indication to scalability. This type of self regulating thermal fluid flow may not function the same at the huge scales wanted. If this was possible in '69, why wasn't it built commercially then??? Something is tilted here.
ERIC ROBINSON
ERIC ROBINSON
February 15, 2013
This link is an interview with staff at Oakridge that ran the Molten Salt Reactor Experiment (MSRE) from 1965 – 1969. MSRE proves the single fluid LFTR reactor technology. It turns out that the reactor was easy to run and self moderating. Meaning that, as the reactor cooled the fluid got more dense and the reaction rate increased increasing the heat. If it got too hot, the fluid expanded becoming less dense and reducing the reaction rate and decreasing the temperature. This video is interesting first hand experience it was very safe, very predictable, easy to run.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENH-jd6NhRc
Phil Manke
Phil Manke
February 15, 2013
I'd like to see some actual proof that LFTR reactors work, instead of the not-so-obvious pitch for billions in profit scimming grant money, as old style reactors have amounted to.. When all the costs are followed, nuke power of any kind is merely centralization of power by parasitic capital extractive marketers that seek to obscure their heat dumping and toxic products from scrutiny of the control. Distributed energy is far more benign and proven to be sustainable over the long term. If these LFTR reactors are so cheap to make, make one and show how it is an advantage. Meanwhile, solar is moving, with little capital aid, into simple and distributed profit reality. The heating component of solar power adoption adds nothing to global net heating.
Philip Haddad
Philip Haddad
February 15, 2013
Dr. A. It doesn't matter whether the heat is from nuclear or fossil fuels, high efficiency is desired, but even the energy which is efficiently converted to electricity, transportation, etc. still becomes heat and is the cause of global warming.
Dr. A. Cannara
Dr. A. Cannara
February 14, 2013
You go Gaucho! Burn up the wires to your Congress folks, DoE, etc.
Dr. A. Cannara
Dr. A. Cannara
February 14, 2013
Yes, Philip, nuclear energy is released as heat energy. So, using knowledge of thermodynamics, we want to operate any heat source, used for power, at the highest possible temperature.

Our fuelled vehicles waste about 2/3 of the fuel energy (and $) we put in them. A good combustion plant wastes about 1/2 the energy available from burning coal/gas with oxygen. Biomass falls far short because of the chemistry of what's being burned.

Note, neither we nor the combustion industry pay for the oxygen required. Without free oxygen, there would be no "fuels".

Nuclear systems also try to operate their working fluid (water/steam/salt...) at the highest temps possible by designs & materials available. Note that nuclear is independent of Earth -- no need for outside materials like oxygen in order to release nuclear energy. This is important, environmentally.

Anyone can estimate the maximum thermal efficiency of any system converting heat into directed power (rotation, motion...) using the Carnot Cycle...

efficiency max = (1 - Tcold / Thot)

Thot is the absolute temp in the heat engine's conversion chamber (cylinder, power turbine, etc.) and Tcold is the temp of the exhaust from the conversion engine (tailpipe, final turbine stage...).

Exhaust from a typical vehicle engine is quite hot, so Tcold / Thot is about 2/3, making the engine about 33% efficient at best.

The water-based nukes we typically have, run their steam to about 330C, which makes them a little better than vehicle engines, but not as good as modern combustion plants. Advanced reactors use higher temperature fluids, like molten salt, to achieve as good efficiencies as the best combustion plants. As these designs begin to replace both old fission & combustion plants, less waste heat will be generated.

However, waste heat is not necessarily waste -- the world has great & growing need for desalination, & waste heat of advanced reactors can make carbon-neutral fuels from air/water.
Philip Haddad
Philip Haddad
February 14, 2013
Nuclear reactors, whether breeder or thorium, are emitters of heat. Almost twice the total heat as their electrical output. No CO2 but pure heat
Ralph allen
Ralph allen
February 14, 2013
Instead of building another Aircraft carrier for 10 billion plus equipment/aircraft costs we should start a Manhattan type Project for LFTR reactors. We keep chaising our tails while China and others are going full bore on this technology that promises to make the US carbon neutral by 2050!


Thorium Liquid Reactor LFTR

Can't Melt Down, Fuel can't burn
Can't be diverted for Bombs
Extremely simple, no heavy redundancy,
Small size
Very cheap to produce
Virtually all the fuel is burned instead of 1% in current reactors
Can be used to eliminate existing radioactive material
Thorium very cheap and very abundant
byproducts produced needed for medical and NASA explorers produced etc
No additional mining needed
Thorium co-located with rare earths currently preventing mining those elements
Solves green house gas issues
$30K Thorium = 1/2 billion in electricity = less than 3 cents KWH
Thorium enrichment not needed
Thorium reactors work at ambient pressure i.e, no explosions
Technology proven with working reactor in 1960s
Thorium reactors waste has a 1/2 life of 300 years not 10,000



Brief overview from 17 out of 32 presentations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWUeBSoEnRk&list=PL098D071EE5755361

Great presentation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecoci4vEbzo

Interesting web site about Thorium Energy
http://energyfromthorium.com/#ResourceCenter

We have the solution but the coal and oil and existing reactor industries will fight it.
We are falling behind cause China and India are going full blast on this technology
Congress is setting on its ass while the world moves forward










How many post did I see trying to explain that the heat of energy generation doe NOT increase global warming?
Dr. A. Cannara
Dr. A. Cannara
February 13, 2013
Philip, sure, getting CH4 that naturally or unavoidably occurs into some non-gaseous form is fine. Making it intentionally is not fine. Coal has long been converted to synthetic fuels, as the Nazi's had to, but we don't want that carbon to get burned at all. It should all go to products that don';t get burned, which means we need very little coal.

We should sit back and consider that all this was understood decades ago. Burning fossil carbon was considered wasteful, as well as polluting, in the '50s -- 1850s.

Burning coal & oil was considered wasteful in the 1950s too, and alternatives were actively sought. For example, by President Kennedy... http://tinyurl.com/6xgpkfa

If his goal had not been derailed by Nixon & some politicians in the /70s, we'd not have the emissions problems and looming tragedies we now leave to our descendents.

But, at least the Chinese and others are proceeding to try to complete what various Nobel & other scientists explained to JFK.
Philip Haddad
Philip Haddad
February 13, 2013
Dr.A, Sorry if I misinterpreted to whom you were talking but it came on the same response where you said "Philip, you simply misquoted me. Get over it". Now how about responding to my suggestion regarding government and academic research on converting Methane and coal to consumer products. I truly would like to know your opinion.
Dr. A. Cannara
Dr. A. Cannara
February 12, 2013
Philip, I was talking with Phil.
Philip Haddad
Philip Haddad
February 12, 2013
Dr. A, I don't recall having made any comments regarding what choices states, municipalities or nations make regarding power sources. However whether you believe that it is CO2 or heat causing climate change, we should be agreed that fossil fuels must be phased out. I believe the acceptable energy sources are solar, wind, hydroelectric, biomass, and geothermal up to a point. But nuclear is a bone of contention, with many, including billionaire Bill Gates, advocating for more advanced nuclear, such as breeder reactors or thorium, as the solution. In spite of the fact that most of the world has come to accept the greenhouse myth, I believe that they will begin to realize that heat is the problem. Research on converting fossil fuels to consumer products could ease the transition. A patent exists for liquefaction of coal with methane, and piping methane to existing coal mining sites could utilize both in producing a whole new pool of feedstocks for uses other than for their heat value. Both, the federal government and academic institutions could cooperate in this program, which should be started while fossil fuels are still acceptable and profitable. I would appreciate your comments regarding this proposal.
Dr. A. Cannara
Dr. A. Cannara
February 12, 2013
Philip, you simply misquoted me. Get over it.

Phil, you may be happy to know that some states, like Calif., leave it up to local municipalities to decide on their power sources. This is called Community Choice in setting utility districts.

Now, we also have the reality that if we subsidize the established utilities enough, they'll happily go along.
;]
Phil Manke
Phil Manke
February 12, 2013
All your facts and numbers are so much chaff in the wind. Centralized power producers do not want to see John Q. making their own electricity and heat, so they lobby against it and the carpet-baggers at the trough need their money to get in office. How is this not a precursor to any discussion over what technology works best. That would be sorted easily by the markets if the true cost of destructive energy production is addressed. Right now...... the congress is debating the merits of gas markets in the US and how proffitable it is to our country compared to others. They are talking like 'we-the-people' are just another resource to be used up by their corporate friends and themselves. Get real and responsible or become extinct!
Philip Haddad
Philip Haddad
February 12, 2013
You are really good about ducking the issue Alex. If we were having this discussion in person around the water cooler the overall tone might be a bit more congenial without all the one-up-manship.
Dr. A. Cannara
Dr. A. Cannara
February 12, 2013
So Philip, remember I said "CaO or other buffering compounds"?

Now, you can go look up "buffering compounds" or "ocean acidification", or many other snippets that relate to preventing further drop in ocean pH.

Maybe spend more time than you have been?
Philip Haddad
Philip Haddad
February 11, 2013
Dr. A, the only buffering agent you mentioned was calcium oxide. If you have any others that you feel might remove CO2 or raise the pH it would be of general interest. I spend a lot of time thinking about my responses.
Dr. A. Cannara
Dr. A. Cannara
February 11, 2013
Thomas, what planet do you think we live on when you say: "most minerals carbon based"?

These blogs often remind one of an old farmer's saying: "Amazing what you see when you're out without your gun."
;]
Dr. A. Cannara
Dr. A. Cannara
February 11, 2013
Philip, do you always ignore words others use, in order to create a straw argument?

"Dr.A seems to think that calcium oxide is a mineral that can be mined already calcined" -- I didn't say CaO was the only choice. Why not re-read what I said?
Philip Haddad
Philip Haddad
February 11, 2013
Comment from Philip Haddad: Dr.A seems to think that calcium oxide is a mineral that can be mined already calcined. It is obtained from calcium carbonate, so to make calcium oxide by heating CaCO3 to 1200*C CO2 is liberated. He also equates PV with nuclear. PV takes solar energy and converts it to electrical so there is no net heat gain. On the other hand, nuclear, which emits no CO2, does contribute twice as much total heat as its electrical output. Oh well, enough said.
Thomas M
Thomas M
February 11, 2013
Carbon tax? Aren't all lifeforms as well as most minerals carbon based? Sounds like they are trying to tax everything,(we know they are), even though they have no right to tax anything. It's not as if they own the planet and all its contents, though they want us to belive that.
Just because I pick up a rock, it doesn't follow that I own that rock and can sell it for some piece of paper or metal that someone else picked up. We all have to wake up and realize that these people have no right to sell us anything that they harvest for free. We have to give them a wake up call as to the fact that they are just another entity on this planet like the rest of us, nothing special, and start taking from them just as they take from us or refuse to give them anything, and see how they like it. Maybe then they will grow up and stop being bullies.
Dr. A. Cannara
Dr. A. Cannara
February 11, 2013
Eric, yes, that's geoengineering, which can only be done very carefully, becuase what we;'ve already done is geoengineering frivolously.

The acidification problem needs some additional vast compensation such as dumping Calcium Oxide or other buffering compounds into the sea, but the quantities are absolutely vast.

Run Google translator on this, for example...

www.regjeringen.no/nb/dep/md/dok/regpubl/stmeld/2008-2009/stmeld-nr-37-2008-2009-/6.html?id=560227


Even if we stopped all combustion on the next clock tick, airborne CO2 will still dissolve in seawaters and cointinue acidification, which is halfway to shutdown of the natural recycling via plankton, etc.
ERIC ROBINSON
ERIC ROBINSON
February 11, 2013
SOFeX link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_fertilization For removing CO2 from the ocean and atmosphere
Dr. A. Cannara
Dr. A. Cannara
February 11, 2013
Eric, the glacier calving link is amazing -- thanks! The other link said "no page found".

Phil, if you've read anything here, you'll know that local solar is exactly what many, including myself, advocate, because its environmental impact is low, as is nuclear's.

The problem remains efficient storage, for which EVs provide some help. And storage will be a solved problem for both mobile & stationary needs in the near future.

However, stable, 24/365 base power will still be needed, as will carbon-neutral fuels for aircraft, etc. That's where advanced nuclear comes in, as other countries know and are promoting, and as we used to know and failed to complete. We do like to waste time and $. That's why the Saudis, Emirates... know they can build nukes and sell the rest of their oil to us.
;]
Phil Manke
Phil Manke
February 11, 2013
New and costly inventions will appear for those who limit possibility to purchase their electricity from a centralized, profit making source. For others, there is distributed solar energy collection, which enables anyone to become a power producer in the abundance of what is all around us. The sun is available for growing our food, warming and cooling us, and providing excess power for all we hope to do without spoiling our environment for future generation. Relying on others for what you can do for yourself will enslave you and cost much more than what is possible to pay today.
ERIC ROBINSON
ERIC ROBINSON
February 11, 2013
DrAlexC, Thank you for the invitation to attend www.thoriumenergyalliance.com. I got the details from organizer John Kutch. It promises to be a thrilling event for those of us who want safe, inexpensive, carbon free, sustainable, abundant energy from LFTR technology. See you in Chicago!! BTW have you ever heard of SOFeX for removing CO2 from the ocean http://www.whoi.edu/page.do?cid=886&ct=162?d=9779&tid=282
This next vid the most terrifying glacier calving event ever http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC3VTgIPoGU
Dr. A. Cannara
Dr. A. Cannara
February 10, 2013
Eric, I guess we can judge the accuracy of the site you reference by its titling ad: "Solar panels pay no $".

Since global warming has been gradually increasing moisture content in the air, due to higher evaporation from warming seas, increased snowfalls (and rain) are no mystery and are expected in cooler regions.

However, snow doesn't make glaciers. What makes glaciers is more snow incoming than ice outgoing. And that depends not only on amount of snowfall, but on the length of the seasons -- longer Spring-Summer-Fall means ice loss, both sea ice, as is happening near the poles, and loss from glaciers, as is happening everywhere, except a few places, as in the Himalaya, where increased snowfall on some glaciers is compensated for by disappearance of other glaciers, based on local climate.

There are plenty of studies published that don't depend on blogs that allow no dissent or discussion.

So, go buy what you want for your "ice age", Eric. The rest of the world will be working to address real problems.
;]
Philip Haddad
Philip Haddad
February 10, 2013
Eric, Thanks for the links regarding Glacier growth. In the Houston Chronicle 11-30-2012 was an article "New study: Ice melting faster at poles" which stated regarding Greenland "Its melt rate has grown from about 55 billion tons a year in the 1990s to almost 290 billion tons a year recently, according to the study". So I don't know which to believe. That coupled with the fact that the Arctic is now being opened up for exploration makes me believe that glaciers are disappearing.
Dr. A. Cannara
Dr. A. Cannara
February 10, 2013
Philip, you seem to have some odd idea to sell.

CO2 is not "recycled" via our burning anything now. The Carbon Cycle can naturally recycle about 200,000,000 tonnes per year and we've been emitting over 6,000,000,000 tonnes per year for decades.
-- see those extra 3 zeros, Philip?

If you don't understand the science, read the DePaolo Planetary Science group's papers -- here's a start...
http://energyseminar.stanford.edu/node/461
And, AAAS Science, 1 Feb 2013 has further, new detains on the Carbon Cycle.

In addition, about 40% of the CO2 we've emitted unnaturally is in the oceans, acidifying them because the recycling has been overwhelmed. This puts us within about a decade of shutting down both the organisms that do the carbonate sequestration and the organisms that do much photosynthesis. All of those feed the rest of oceanic life, so the acidification of seas is far more serious and imminent a threat than just climate change -- 20% of all human food protein comes from the sea.

If you're going to waste others' time making pronouncements about this or that, Philip, do some studying.

Maybe our real threat isn't C emissions, but being able to survive the blogosphere's fluff?
;]
James Tyson
James Tyson
February 10, 2013
Tam--
I think the Carbon Tax idea would be much more appealing if the proceeds went to pay directly for the costs of climate change:
1) Protect us from rising insurance rates by relieving insurance companies of the burden of paying for climate-related damages
2) Protect us from rising municipal, county, state and federal tax rates by repairing damaged public infrastructure with carbon-tax money
3) Cover the cost of taking protective measures against future damage, especially sea-level-rise damage along the coasts, by using carbon-tax dollars
4) Provide money for renewable energy research from carbon-tax dollars.

If you make it clear that the carbon tax is going to pay exclusively for the problems that CO2 is causing, the support will be much more wide-spread, because this is both economically and morally justified.

One more idea to widen the base of support: Obama could couple approval of the Keystone XL pipeline with approval of the carbon tax. Let's all get on board and get things moving!
Tam Hunt
Tam Hunt
February 10, 2013
Davidcarl, yes, the carbon tax that I recommend would not be revenue neutral - but that was assumed as the basis for your earlier comment. My point was that the other four recommendations should be revenue neutral or cost savers. And carbon taxes can of course be made revenue neutral by returning taxes collected back to taxpayers in the form of a rebate check (like "cap and dividend" approaches). I think using a carbon tax to, at least in part, reduce the federal deficit is wise, however, b/c of its potentially bipartisan appeal.
ERIC ROBINSON
ERIC ROBINSON
February 10, 2013
Phillip, Not all glaciers agree http://www.iceagenow.com/List_of_Expanding_Glaciers.htm. The Danish/Vikings were farming Greenland for hundreds of years up until the 1400's. The receding ice reveals their settlements. The earth's recent climate variations are better explained by H2O vapor from trees, a much stronger GHG. As a general trend the Northern hemisphere is being reforested hence transpiration and warming. The Southern hemisphere is being deforested, less moisture, Antarctic ice is greeting bigger. The earth is huge molten rock reactor powered by Thorium. Much better than being a frozen rock like Mars with no magnetic field for protection. China and India will urbanize with poisonous coal or clean thorium. How about a huge Mylar reflector at L1 to fine tune our solar input?
Philip Haddad
Philip Haddad
February 10, 2013
Dr. A. Photosynthesis may be only 7% efficient but that much efficiency was responsible for all the fossil fuels we have been using. The CO2 that is converted still removes ~5000 btus per # CO2. I estimated that people contribute less than 2% of the total CO2 but even that is recycled with no net effect on the heat or CO2 balance.
Dr. A. Cannara
Dr. A. Cannara
February 10, 2013
Missed this one, Philip: "That heat has been supplied through food produced by photosynthesis" -- photosynthesis is only 7% efficient in producing hydrocarbon compounds from sunlight for food use.

Animals, grazing on that 7%, produce large amounts of GHGs like methane -- unnatural in our application of massive agriculture. Meat-eating is one of the largest contributors of unnatural methane, which is far more potent a GHG than CO2.

And, animal conversion of plant matter to their food value is only about 10%, so when we eat farmed animals for food, we start with an input of .07 x .1 of solar input, and we ourselves make use of just about 10% of that.

So arguing that farming of plants or animals for food yields "heat and energy are simply recycled with no net change in heat balance"
misses the reality of how the world works. Feeding billions of people from deforested croplands and from animals raised on them is a very large contributor to global warming, just from the aggressive GHGs released, which include not just CO2, but CH4, N2O and some other gasses released in fertilizer & food generation.
Dr. A. Cannara
Dr. A. Cannara
February 10, 2013
Philip -- "the heat emitted from our energy use that is the cause of global warming" -- it is a small contribution, but not "the cause".

The cause would go away if we generated power, grew food, etc. without CO2 & methane emissions. You really need to study how GHGs work in coupling unnatural amounts of solar energy into the air, including re-emitted, downshifted sunlight producing unnatural IR from the >2% of land now covered by human structure, and from the vast deforested lands tilled for agriculture, etc.
Dr. A. Cannara
Dr. A. Cannara
February 10, 2013
These blogs are amazing for what they get some folks to say in semi-public...

Anonymous (why so afraid?) -- "the worry about waste heat in PV is a half truth... or worse" -- indeed and all I was pointing out was waste heat from various power sources. Indeed if you want to use solar panels, paint the roof reflectively first, then put on the panels. The result will be more waste heat than if you left thew panels off, but better than doing nothing as far as avoiding combustion power.

"reducing our usage through efficiency." -- indeed, remember I say local solar, EVs, efficient storage, nuclear. The clear implication of EVs is efficiency. And, efficient storage includes EVs with regenerative braking, which is inertial storage -- the EV with it returns to its charging station with ~15% less demand for recharge, given how far it would have travelled without regen. This means lower grid load. And local solar means lower transmission loss.
Philip Haddad
Philip Haddad
February 10, 2013
Dr. A The heat humans produce by living and breathing add nothing to the global warming issue. That heat has been supplied through food produced by photosynthesis whereby 5000 btus are absorbed for every pound of CO2 which is converted to food. Same thing for the other animals on this planet. That heat and energy are simply recycled with no net change in heat balance.
Philip Haddad
Philip Haddad
February 10, 2013
Dr.A, All energy goes to heat. All heat goes where? Are you agreeing with me or disagreeing that it is the heat emitted from our energy use that is the cause of global warming?
ANONYMOUS
February 9, 2013
A few thoughts:
1) Waste Heat - more if the sun hits your roof than if it hits Solar PV panels. So the worry about waste heat in PV is a half truth... or worse.
2) Too much focus upon energy generation... the "Supply Side" and not enough about the "Demand Side" and reducing our usage through efficiency. This can cut buildings heating/cooling by 95% ... even in old buildings if done seriously. I am not just whistling dixie... I have done it.
Dr. A. Cannara
Dr. A. Cannara
February 9, 2013
Philip, yes waste heat is a waste and certainly warms our surroundings, but all power we generate goes to heat, except the little bit of electromagnetic waves from TV, Radio, cellphones... that make it out to space.

Each human is a 150 Watt heat source, so you can also figure out how much 7 billion of us warm things up.
;]
The GHG issue is that not only is the effect proportional to GHG content of the ait, but it is nonlinear -- increasing more than additively, due to feedbacks, such as changing Earth's net reflectivity by melting ice, and adding more GHGs via melting tundra or methane ices in seabeds, etc.

There are good reasons why the ~100k-year Milankovitch Cycles look the way they do -- sudden transitions. We're just changing what "sudden" means.

And, the real issue for the long term is population.

We consume energy at the rate of ~3 cubic miles of oil per year. That nets out to ~116 trillion top athletes pumping generators 24/365. Do the math and see how many of those energy 'slaves' we each depend on. Now re-apportion them across varying economic groups, and the true absurdity of our energy problem shines brightly. (see Crane et al, "A Cubic Mile of Oil")

Gotta go feed my 50,000 Olympic athletes, slaving away to meet my modest needs.
;]
Dr. A. Cannara
Dr. A. Cannara
February 9, 2013
Eric, indeed the MSR/LFTR designs are being prioritized around the world, especially in China, where $1B has been allocated to yield prototypes by 2020. Swing by the next conference...
www.thoriumenergyalliance.com

We're great at fumbling the ball.

Apply for DoE head, to replace Chu! If you will, I will.
;]
Dr. A. Cannara
Dr. A. Cannara
February 9, 2013
FYI, Philip, indeed the main product of fission or fusion is heat, though other products, like medical isotopes, can only be produced via reactors. Our Mars rover depends on power from an isotope of Plutonium that can only be made via certain reactors.

However we generate power, we generate waste heat -- solar PV does similar. The key is to design systems that run at the highest real temp, if their only direct output is heat.

So, a coal or gas plant is run as hot as possible, trading off costs of internal damage with revenue from added power output. Present nuke plants are water based, so have limited efficiency -- steam temps yield about 33% efficiency, like a good combustion engine.

That's one purpose of newer reactor designs, like the molten-salt systems -- run at much higher temps and extract ~50% of the generated heat energy for power out. So, newer nuclear-fission reactors can match the best combustion plant thermal efficiencies, while lowering emissions, lasting longer and producing valuable products, such as fresh water and carbon-neutral fuels.
Dr. A. Cannara
Dr. A. Cannara
February 9, 2013
It may be worth looking at what economist Dieter Helms has recently said re UK & world emissions-reduction technologies and carbon taxation...

www.policyexchange.org.uk/modevents/item/fixing-climate-policy-with-professor-dieter-helm-cbe
http://theenergycollective.com/rodadams/165286/dieter-helm-coal-critic-atomic-agnostic-natural-gas-enthusiast
David Carl
David Carl
February 9, 2013
Tam_Hunt, in response 5 you say the carbon tax could be used "to generate funds for deficit reduction, research, dividends to lower income families, etc". Other than deficit reduction it is a list of extra spending. In response 15 you list other things, maybe that was the etc part. The things in 5 are not revenue neutral. Your laundry list in 15 may be revenue neutral but that remains to be seen.

I can only reference what you have posted, not what you are going to post. Response 5 differs from 15 and is not revenue neutral.
Philip Haddad
Philip Haddad
February 9, 2013
Eric, all forms of nuclear reactors produce heat, both as a final product (electricity) and as cooling water losses which are not registered when calculating the total heat emitted by our energy use. Carbon dioxide is not the problem. In 2008 16 terrawatts of energy was consumed. This is equivalent to 500 mount saint helen's eruptions, enough to potentially raise the atmospheric temperature by 0.17*F. Actual rise was ~1/4 that due to cooling provided by the melting of about 800 billion tons of glaciers. If we had nothing but nuclear reactors, CO2 would drop but temperatures would continue to rise and glaciers would continue to disappear. Glaciers will probably not be rebuilt for 100,000 years.
Tam Hunt
Tam Hunt
February 9, 2013
davidcarl, what extra spending do I recommend? Answer: none. All of my recommendations other than the carbon tax would be revenue neutral or cost savers b/c I explicitly recommend cost-effectiveness limitations on RES, new car mandates, etc. But cost-effectiveness considerations, for example for new vehicles, must consider the lifetime costs, not just the upfront cost. So EVs, based on today's costs for gasoline, can pay for themselves pretty quickly. And as more EVs are produced, costs will come down for all of us such that the premium we currently see for EVs will likely disappear. By having federal fleets buy EVs, as I recommend, and considering lifecycle costs of vehicle ownership in doing so, we all will benefit by seeing the cost for EVs come down faster than they would otherwise.
Phil Manke
Phil Manke
February 9, 2013
A second thot is that if it were possible for responsible taxation to take place, the wealthy corporations and individuals would already be required to pay their fair share, and carbon tax for general revenue would be un-needed. But certain politicians still feed the dead horse of 'trickle down theory'. AND they still get voted into office..... 'Go figger!'
Phil Manke
Phil Manke
February 9, 2013
My take is that any carbon tax that is designated for govt funds in general is to be used for business as usual, which includes more fossil, et. al., fuel damage to the environment. Therefore, any tax NOT specifically designated, dollar for dollar, for solar energy development through distributed solar energy production incentives is a poor idea. That is why I have written often in favor of SREC programs instead of an outright carbon tax, which will become just as the state sales taxes did; get used for general revenue, much of which will circle back to petro and coal companies benefit.
ERIC ROBINSON
ERIC ROBINSON
February 9, 2013
How would you prioritize the development and commercialization of LFTR reactors? This is among important topics in the world today involving politics, science and energy. For some reason no one in US government seems to be aware of it. Who is currently working on a thorium reactor? China, France, Czechs, Russia, India. The Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactor? LFTR was an incredible design devised by Alvin Weinberg and his team over 40 years ago. A design that safely turns off in an emergency, does not use high pressure cooling water that can blow off and does not create large amounts of radioactive waste. It ran at Oak Ridge National Lab for 5 years in the 1960s. Weinberg holds the patent on the current Light Water Reactor LWR we use today but thought of it as higher risk and a temporary step towards LFTR thorium reactor which he preferred. We could have been using the LFTR technology since the 1970s except it was defunded by Pres Nixon in favor of a Fast Breeder reactor which never worked out. What is Thorium? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2vzotsvvkw
Energy from Thorium is a form of nuclear energy. It is an important element that's decay gives earth its hot molten core. The earth is actually a molten rock thorium reactor which keeps our life saving magnetic field in place and powers our tectonic plates. Thorium has 1 million times the energy density of petroleum and is present in amounts plentiful enough to solve humanity's energy problems permanently or at least until we figure out a workable fusion reactor. This technology has been prototyped and proven. Thorium is nearly free since is a waste product that is produced during the mining of valuable rare earth elements. Bottom line…Thorium clean energy costs approximately $.03/kw vs coal at $.054/kw
How about an energy source that will last for 10,000 years and is plentiful domestically so we do not need to conduct foreign wars to control production?. Something that even consumes spent uranium transatomicpower.com/
Philip Haddad
Philip Haddad
February 9, 2013
Dr. A. Of course the sun's heat dwarfs all others, but we are talking about the amount of energy to throw the system out of balance. Energy use of 16 terrawatts for a year is enough to potentially raise the atmospheric temperature by 0.17*F. Aside from melting glaciers there is hardly anyplace else for this energy to go. A little for photosynthesis, but that's about it. Why is that so hard to accept?
David Carl
David Carl
February 9, 2013
Tam_Hunt, thanks for pointing out that you just want another revenue stream for the feds. In the article you claimed it would have a significant effect on carbon emissions. After further questioning you admit it is really for extra revenue.

Even though you did mention debt reductionin the article, the list of extra spending you outline later means no debt reduction will take place.
ANONYMOUS
February 9, 2013
The carbon tax is the most economically efficient way to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. It should be supported on the basis that the polluter pays. Climate change is expensive and includes everything from emergency help after storms such as Sandy to the need to rebuild part of the Mississippi River lock system for barge travel due to low water levels. This suggests a carbon tax of 50 to 100 billion dollars per year to pay for these costs rather than the current policy of the taxpayer paying the bill.
Dr. A. Cannara
Dr. A. Cannara
February 9, 2013
Nice that you communicated, Philip, but this is incorrect: "it is the heat of combustion, not the CO2 by-product that is the problem"

Heat of fuel combustion worldwide is far less than the effect of a fraction of the 86,000 terawatts the sun gives us every second and the unnatural absorption of some of that massive power by GHGs, especially water vapor.

But, indeed , the idea decades ago was that petrochemicals should not be wasted by burning, apart from their production of GHGs:

http://tinyurl.com/6xgpkfa

We simply screwed up, for the usual reasons.
Philip Haddad
Philip Haddad
February 8, 2013
I tried in May to convey to President Obama and Dr. Chu my hypothesis on the real cause of global warming and did not receive an acknowledgement of even having received it. Kyoto was correct in stating that fossil fuels were the primary contributors to global warming. However it is the heat of combustion, not the CO2 by-product that is the problem, and whether one believes it is CO2 or heat, fossil fuels must be phased out as soon as possible. Nuclear power, though emitting no CO2, emits twice as much total heat as its electrical output and is not an acceptable alternative. Our energy policy, while favoring renewable energy should also facilitate expanding our own fossil resources to replace imported. This will neither help nor hurt the climate change problem. People who invest in expanding our resources will have to have a quick payback or have some hope that fossil fuels can be converted to consumer goods. A patent exists for liquifying coal with methane. Research in this area might make it feasible to pipe methane to coal mining sites and build chemical complexes there. The US Bureau of mines did great research for industry and could be reinstated for this challenge. In addition our colleges and universities should be encouraged to institute such research programs. It would give faculty and students the opportunity to be a part of a worthwhile and earth-changing development.
Dr. A. Cannara
Dr. A. Cannara
February 8, 2013
Those of us who've given any administration, including Obama-I, detailed actions & reasons learned early the truth of all bureaucracies -- their founders & founding purpose are worthy, then realities of politics, staff dispersion & so on lead to the common bureaucratic end state: self preservation.

As those studying bank regulation saw clearly: new staff enter ready to put folks like Paulson & Blankfein properly in jail, then learn the balance of doing just enough to keep a job & advance, while avoiding doing too much & aggravating both their targets & their own bosses, who also cherish their positions & future opportunities (often with the regulated).

Unfortunately for us all, reality & Ma Nature don't care how dumb or cupidic we are. We still think we can 'solve' global warming, sea rise and acidification problems, despite the fact that we ignored our Nobel & other wise folks decades ago, who knew what to do then.

So now, we have subsidized bandaids put forth to make some feel comfort in the ignorance that, for example, the Natural Carbon Cycle has been trashed by a factor >20 for decades & we (and descendents) are now guaranteed thousands of years of very unpleasant environmental realities.

For carbon-cycle sadness, follow the links to DePaolo Group reports... http://energyseminar.stanford.edu/node/461

To note what our Nobels and others wisely advised 60 years ago:
http://tinyurl.com/6xgpkfa

And to sample the absurdity we've created for our kids...

http://membercentral.aaas.org/blogs/qualia/global-hyperwarming-conversation-ed-landing

Consider what JFK's goal of eliminating combustion power by 2000 would have meant for us today, & for the future. Should be no surprise that Homo Sapiens' brain is only unusually large because of a 2-base-pair genetic defect.
;]
As we fiddle with 'renewables' other than local solar & nuclear, imagine what our descendents are saying, as they look back at us from the nasty future we gave them.
Tam Hunt
Tam Hunt
February 8, 2013
Davidcarl, the point of a modest carbon tax is to send a modest price signal, but more importantly, to generate funds for deficit reduction, research, dividends to lower income families, etc. Market forces alone will provide a far larger price signal, as we've seen repeatedly in recent years, so in a way the modest carbon tax I propose would act as a windfall profits tax, but in a way that allows all of us to benefit from our energy spending dollars rather than just fossil fuel companies.
David Carl
David Carl
February 8, 2013
A $1 increase in the price of gasoline reduced consumption by about 11%. How do you propose a carbon tax of 15 cents a gallon will have a significant impact on emissions?
HUJSAK EDWARD
HUJSAK EDWARD
February 8, 2013
From an energy independence standpoint these are all good things. Climate change, however cannot be be affected in the least by trying to solve it on a regional basis - not in a world where profit is the principal driver. It is a global problem and must be tackled globally. We are touting conversion of power plants to natural gas for lower emissions, but no one has shut down any coal mines. In fact coal exports for the year 2012 were the best ever. Perversely, our cleanup efforts could end up making things worse.
Patrick O'Leary
Patrick O'Leary
February 8, 2013
I reponded to Secretary Chu's "Open Call' early in the first term and got a computer generated acknowledgement, period. Then came the news about Solyndra, et al. I talked to as many Federal Agencies as I could get to listen, and then read about the loans going bad. What is your take-away?
Phil Manke
Phil Manke
February 8, 2013
The money investment players seem to favor FITs for the managability of their "tap-into" market structure. However, SRECs would suit the fluctuations of the power production market much better, IMO. With a stabilized, (system size) scaled Carve-out and SACP in the RES's, new investment would flood the solar adoption and energy provision field. The country of Germany now has more "solar workers" than steel industry workers. Is the USA serious about real job creation?? I have noticed some electric auto offerings have been pulled from the US markets. (Volvo and VW). Could this be partly because of the USA's lack of real direction and commitment to mature future planning? Pollution levels are slowly and surely obscuring the usable solar spectrum, but the pollution supports our favored means of travel... Perhaps soon the petro and coal industries will soon use that as a sales tool. "The sun is getting dimmer! Buy our 'burn-tec' fuels instead of solar".

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