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12 Solar Power Myths and the Saving Grace of a Worthwhile Cause

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December 10, 2012
Sadly, the myth concerning unreasonable energy payback times still lurks in the dark corners of collective popular consciousness. While modules produced in 1970 may have taken decades to recover their invested energy, today's modules pay back in a couple of years (see Fig. 2 of http://www.clca.columbia.edu/240_SolarToday%20June12_c.pdf ).
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December 10, 2012
Incumbent energy producers (fossil fuels) and distributors (utilities) continue to win the messaging war when they characterize solar as "expensive." In almost every public forum I hear them say something like "solar is nice, but of course it is too expensive..." These misstatements are too often accepted by our industry, repeated by journalists, and become part of the conventional wisdom about solar.

It's our fault when our industry is tarred by the "too expensive" brush. Every individual in our industry needs to push back when they hear these untruths. Solar panels have a 1.5 year energy payback, in many locations less than a 7 year simple payback, and with financing a positive cash flow from the first year. Now that hardware costs have dropped so significantly we need to stand up and explain to everyone -- especially policy makers and journalists -- that solar is the cheapest, cleanest and most reliable source of energy.
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December 11, 2012
I am a NC Pork Producer and we produce renewable energy from our swine waste by using our biomethane gas to run a generator and put electricity back into the grid.
I am also interested in a small solar farm. (1-5 MW) I usually hear the too expensive, and too long to wait for a pay back excuses, and it is a cause for concern. When one is looking at a 4 or 5 million dollar minimum investment in a project such as this you have to know up front that it will cash flow. The above article and comments are encouraging. At this point I do think that solar investments can be economically feasible and I would appreciate any bits of information that could help me make a final decision on going forward.
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December 11, 2012
William, maximum return on investment is obtained by maximum reduction of your electrical bill in most cases based on your actual power load usage. Today, both pole mounted optically enhanced full tracking systems and electronically and optically enhanced rooftop fixed systems are designed with storage and lower cost hardware to match your actual load use and lowest capital costs.

Typically, utilities will charge you retail rates but pay you wholesale rates. Thus by including electrical storage you actually maximize your return on investment. No since producing power at times that you are not using it, just to sale it to the utility and then have to buy power back when you need it. My company provides storage as part of the rooftop or pole mounted full polar tracking systems. Thus we can provide the most economical method to provide you power that meets your actual needs. jnistler@yahoo.com
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December 11, 2012
Nice article.

Myth 10 about Moore's Law not applying to the solar industry is true, however the "experience curve" as in most industries does apply, where each doubling of the total volume will result in lower prices.

I liked your explanation with Myth 11. With comparing the solar installations to cars. This is a diverse market where areas with good sunlight should use concentrated photovoltaics (CPV). Also if panels are on your rooftop, since the space is limited, the higher efficiency panels probably make more sense while for a large bulk maegawatt scale electrical generation, space may not be as big of an issue.
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December 11, 2012
Hey William,

I wrote a (too) long article on how to predict your payback. If you want you can scroll to the bottom and download the spreadsheet :-)

http://matter2energy.wordpress.com/2012/01/24/your-own-grid-parity-pv-system/
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December 12, 2012
"I am a NC Pork Producer and we produce renewable energy from our swine waste"

Do you also utilize the stench of pig farming [ammonia] for growing tomatoes like the Danes?

http://agrotech.dk/en/projects/pig-city-zero-emission-and-odour-free-pig-production

What pigs do that solar cannot is produce an abundance of baseload energy from waste.

Best, Terry
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December 12, 2012
'6. An industry-changing new PV technology is just around the corner' That's always true but not in the way that most people would like to think - new technologies haltingly infiltrate into the business they don't suddenly leap out. The first semiconductor solar cell was made in 1883, the first silicon cell in 1954. Almost every aspect of PV manufacturing has changed in the 20+ years of personal hands-on experience - a few things roll out quickly but most arrive slowly and many 'promising' technologies founder on practical realities. The reality behind this myth is that there are no magic bullets while many would like to believe there are i.e. just one single new technology that will trump all the rest.

'10. Moore's Law applies seamlessly to PV technology price/cost'. Wanting to draw an analogy between PV and semiconductor manufacturing is a fallacy in itself. Having worked both patches, I can say there is little in common between the two in terms of logisitics, manufacturing tools and processes. Except for deposition there is really little in common and even there the parameters are vastly different. Forcing this analogy is a bit like comparing the business models of jewelry stores and grocery stores.
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December 12, 2012
'8. PV cell and module manufacturing outside of Asia is dead' It is if you want it to be but it doesn't have to be the case. With highly automated manufacturing, labor is a small component of cost; however, high automation requires consistently high volume. Once you have volume, particularly a large local market, you can offset labor costs against transportation costs. This involves a major commitment and patience as well as supportive government policy. In today's market that means facility footprint >400 MW/a but it would be very difficult to do this right now given the excess of capacity in the market. The opportunity is that a substantial portion of capacity is in small marginal producers that can and will be run off: even in China, go big or go home seems to be the game plan. But it wouldn't be easy: the reality for North American PV manufacturing is that much of the commodity supply chain extends into Asia where, not surprisingly, industry suppliers are co-located with major manufacturers. A healthy domestic industry can't happen overnight. Also, the current WTO onslaught against domestic content rules and subsidies constrains the degree to which governments can facilitate domestic manufacturing. However, this is definitely a myth however popular it may be with modern day American Luddites.
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December 12, 2012
@ William Butler. I also live in NC. My name is Bill but I am using my Sweetie’s computer right now. Glad to see you making methane. Some options to look at are: 1. Thermal storage in the form of hot water or stored in the ground like geothermal (for heating buildings, your home and water) and chilled water or ice for air conditioning and 40 degree refrigeration. For any thermal loads that can be met this way, the collection (thermal collectors) and storage is less expensive. Then look at the PV. 2. Compressed air storage. The compressed air can be used to power a motor that can replace any electric motor. 3. Using Black soldier fly larvae to process manure. The larvae are a high grade livestock and fish food and can be processed into a biodiesel fuel and a high grade compost is also produced.
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December 12, 2012
Bill - now I'm confused. Is it better to go the "black soldier fly larvae to process manure" route -- or PV? To paraphrase my mother, "shit or get on the roof."
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December 12, 2012
@ Barry. I was going to ask, but it looks like your Mom knows you talk like that. I think it is best to take an integrated approach to implementing technologies. In a business operation, processes are interrelated and making a change in one effects the others. It is amazing how efficiency can be increased by taking this approach.

If you think about it, William's choice is not between processing manure with Black Soldier Flies and PV, but rather processing the manure by creating methane or using Black Soldier Flies. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you are trying to make a useful contribution to this discussion.
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December 12, 2012
Concerning the hog farmer, I don't think the complementary aspect of biogas and PV electricity was stated sustinctly. For baseload demand, you don't need PV storage. Storage of biogas is easier than storage of electricity. We don't know what his personal load demand is nor do we know what he can get for selling electricity but in general such intgegrated technologies on a distributed network can make a lot of sense if one can get past the existing biases.
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