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Solar Struggle: A Rise Of Poorly Made PV Modules?

Ucilia Wang, Contributing Editor
November 15, 2012  |  43 Comments

Has the pressure to compete in a world market beset by an equipment glut and plummeting prices over the past two years led to an increase in poor quality solar panels?

The answer is “yes” say some executives in the business of selling materials, insurance and performance testing and on-site factory monitoring businesses. They said they are seeing the use of substandard materials for the metal contact lines, backsheets and encapsulants for protecting each panel from UV radiation and other environmental damage, and for insulating wire cables. The process of soldering, or connecting the cells together inside a panel, also is a source of lousy workmanship.

Now, there were certainly badly made solar panels before the supply-and-demand imbalance began to take a firm hold in early 2011. If anything, many manufacturers, especially those that have become major players, have learned to use more sophisticated equipment and testing instruments in their factories. But recent evidence from testing and monitoring performed by independent firms shows that penny-pinching is at play as manufactures struggle to reduce costs and survive. 

SolarBuyer, which sends people with solar manufacturing experience to do factory checks on behalf of project developers and investors, is seeing an average defect rate of 8.8 percent for solar panels that roll out of manufacturing plants, said Ian Gregory, managing director of the Boston-based company. The spread of the defect rates range from 5.5 percent to 22 percent.

“Industry as a whole the quality is suffering. You think you are going bankrupt in three months, so your priority will be on cash flows and not quality,” said Jenya Meydbray, CEO of PV Evolution Labs, which performs reliability testing of solar panels. “That means cutting corners to get a few cents per watt out of your cost so that you can start to squeeze out a little bit of the margin.”

Meydbray said the notable problems he’s seen in his labs included the degradation of the materials that hold the cells together and the yellowing of the back sheets and encapsulants. Some manufacturers are using less of the silicone material that attaches the junction boxes to the back of the panels, causing them to fall off and create fire hazards. Problematic panels aren’t just coming from Chinese manufacturers, who historically have had to battle a reputation for producing poor quality products, but also from European and American companies. Though problems might show up more often in smaller, less financially viable manufactures, they also crop up in top brands.

The issue of quality control seems to have showed up more in public discourse lately.  At the Greentech Media’s solar conference near San Francisco last month, speakers on two panels raised the issue. Brian Matthay, vice president of environmental finance at Wells Fargo, told the audience that solar panels are far from earning the “commodities” label because some manufacturers had been “cutting corners.”

Conrad Burke, general manager of DuPont Innovalight, echoed the same concern during the conference. In a recent interview, Burke said DuPont, a big supplier of Tedlar backsheets and other materials, has been testing panels made with materials from rivals and found inferior materials that cause solar panels’ performance to degrade quicker overtime. He said he spoke with a panel maker at the conference and was surprised to hear that the manufacturer, who he declined to name, was offering panels in three grade levels.

“What struck me was that we were having a conversation like this. I’m concerned that quality is being compromised at the expense of cost,” Burke said.

Meydbray, Burke and Gregory declined to name the manufacturers who are having quality control problems. Burke pointed a story that RenewableEnergyWorld.com ran last month about the removal of solar panels from 24 campuses of San Diego Unified School District in California. Solar Integrated Technologies made the panels and has since filed for bankruptcy. General Electric developed the project and sold the solar electricity to the school district under a 20-year power purchase agreement.

Not all companies disclose or reveal fully the extent they have had to spend on honoring warranties and replacing faulty panels. At least one company has replaced faulty solar panels, but not without securing non-disclosure agreements from its customers. So the extent of the warranty problem wasn’t made public.  First Solar’s acknowledgement of large warranty payments this year therefore surprised many in the industry.

What does all this mean to developer and bankers? At the conference, Matthay talked about negotiating stringent warranties because investors are counting on a power project to produce a steady stream of electricity for over 20 years.

Meydbray said some investors don’t put much stock in warranties these days given dozens of companies have filed for bankruptcies and a few hundred more are expected to go out of business or get bought in the next few years. Manufacturers are aware that they may have more to prove these days, so they are seeking more reliability verifications from PV Evolution Labs and other similar service providers.

PV Evolution Labs also has teamed up with SolarBuyer to assemble a list of solar panel makers that they would recommend to project developers and investors.

Solar Insurance & Finance in the Netherlands only insures warranties or underwrites projects after its staff has toured the factories from where the solar equipment were made, said René Moerman,  the company’s founder and chief strategy officer. Moerman is making his first trip to Korea this week.

“I trust nobody. That’s not because I’m cynical. I’ll trust when I see the report,” Moerman said.

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Gregory L Smith
Gregory L Smith
November 24, 2012
The issue of defective PV panels is a serious disservice to all consumers, including those who buy to resell the PV, so STANDARDS must be the process whereby, Recieivers of Goods, immediately check the validity of the Factory Service Quality control people. One strong reason we are even discussing this, is because the Manufacturers DEMANDED that the Department of Energy not FORCE standards, but instead, let them create the Standards for Lifetime, Efficiency, and Durability, via a Warranty system, which is, in my opinion, a huge mistake! Instead, National standards via the EU and via Third party organizations in the USA have been tasked for this serious job and responsibility, and they are failing to Test properly, or their Protocols are too lean, allowing simple reductions in efficiency to not be identified, simply masking the variable efficiencies of each PV unit, instead, by not giving them an individual score. You wouldn't buy anything else with such a system of evaluation, so why Solar PV? The Department of Energy MUST correct this deficiency, or Solar will not get wider use or distribution. Four Key business groups depend on their reliability, including Insurers, Manufacturers, Testers, and Installers/Retailers. Without specific scores, how can an installer properly string units safely, and how can customers know they are getting the best bang for their buck? They can't. So, due dilligence at the receiving end MUST be performed, and defective PV MUST be returned if it can't be paired or if the efficiency is faulty. Without the Retailer doing this post-testing recheck, there is simply no way to be sure the customer is getting a useful product. UL Listing is great, but if it can't meet the requirements from the start, it is a black eye to every Solar worker, no matter their position! Gregor S. OFFER SUN gregors@att.net
Dr. N. N. Panicker
Dr. N. N. Panicker
November 23, 2012
Dear kevin-meyerson, your experience with long-lasting solar panels is valuable. What can we do to ensure such quality today?...At the least cost? Can we outline appropriate procedure for manufacturing, testing and installation? Is it available already? Anybody has such experience with other panels?

After the solar panels, shall we initiate a similar focussed discussion on each of the other three components of the system also, viz. contoller, storage and load? The Charge Controller electronics with digital, maximum power point tracking, heat trap features need our attention, in my experience. Battery is the weak link in the system and we need a breakthrough in storage. LED light, induction cooker etc offer scope for improvement at the loading end. Shall we consider promoting a DC system? I know it is to open the century-old closed discussion. But it is because solar pv produces DC. Why incur the cost of transforming?

Another basic apprach is to keep it non-centralized, as it is a distributed source of power. The loss in unnecessary transmission and the loss of attained self-empowerment can be avoided if we can shake off the bias for centralized and on-grid systems. sharing of thoughts and experience would be most valuable for enhancing our pace of progress.

Dr. N.N.Panicker
tatsatpanicker@gmail.com
Kevin Meyerson
Kevin Meyerson
November 22, 2012
@Ruth_Cooper
Thanks for posting the link. The really important thing is that panels today (at least from reputable manufacturers such as the Japanese) are expected to last even longer than the panels manufactured back in the 80's and 90's as manufacturing techniques and materials have improved significantly.

Personally, we installed Solar Frontier panels and expect them to last longer than our lifetimes (at least another 50+ years).

BTW, as a side note, we built a Passivhaus home here in Japan. It's the 6th Our 4.2kW system generates over 3X the electricity that we purchase from our utility. Overall our house is energy-positive.
Ruth Cooper
Ruth Cooper
November 21, 2012
It's great to hear that modules produced in the 80's & 90's are still at 90% of original efficiency. The challenge for those with limited space comes through finding the balance between $/W and W/m^2. NREL posts an interesting timeline of solar PV efficiency improvements dating back to the mid-70's http://www.nrel.gov/ncpv/images/efficiency_chart.jpg. Keep in mind that these efficiency pertain to research grade modules.

As such, it is possible that commercial modules produced in the 80's could have had a peak efficiency of < 10%.
Kevin Meyerson
Kevin Meyerson
November 21, 2012
There is a company in Japan that buys and resells used solar panels that have outlived the buildings they were installed on back in the 1980s and 1990s. Nearly all the panels are still at 90% of factory shipped efficiency after 20 to 30+ years of use. Japanese panel manufacturers have improved the quality of the coatings on the panels that are the main issue for degradation or failure. I am not sure about other national manufacturers, but the Japanese panels certainly last a very long time.
Tim Dolan
Tim Dolan
November 21, 2012
Regarding the discussions of warranties,
When I had the solar panels installed on the roof of my home, I was expecting that they would be up there for likely the rest of my life. I expect them to still be producing 75% of the power they do at the start when they hit the 30 year mark. I expect that I will likely be using either less power by then or more likely, I have a porch roof to supplement the power from the main roof.

The shingles they use on roofs these days are called 25 year architectural shingles for a reason. Also for trivia, the front half of my roof has slate, other then the nails are going; the slate on the front has lasted almost 100 years with only a couple minor repair jobs (it will be 100 YO in 2015). I expect roofs and houses to last (or at least they should).

For commercial properties though, perhaps making money off the power itself then I would expect that an upgrade every 10 years or so would be appropriate. However, for home owners, if you install more then enough to take care of the home the panels should last 25-50 years without NEEDING replacement. It will also likely possibly lengthen the life of the roof itself having the solar panels over the roof.
Dr. N. N. Panicker
Dr. N. N. Panicker
November 21, 2012
Quality is not absolute. Affordability and accessibility requires appropriate technology and its promotion.Appropriate often means the best available overall, not outmoded. As this technology is delicate, the challenge is to make it appropriately to suit the rough use in practice. The immediate cost certainly has to be attractive for immediate progress we need to make for the poor millions. I appreciate the valuable discussion. Let us put our heads together for a rapid evolution and advent to the Solar Era. to

NNPanicker
tatsatpanicker@gmail.com
Abhishek Gupta
Abhishek Gupta
November 21, 2012
To kvinodkumar: If a system is purchased from a reliable provider they make sure that Warranties will be honored through international treaties even if the manufacturer is non-existent. However if the system is purchased from a fly-by-night "cheap and best" solution provider then you are out of luck even if the manufacturers are still alive.

Do visit the links below to see how a good System Manufacturer and Provider adds value to customers goals as opposed to "quick buck traders"...

Regards
Abhishek Gupta
http://www.sunipod.com/solar-power-plants-diesel-alternative.php
http://www.sunipod.com/solar-power-station-lowers-electric-bill.php
Abhishek Gupta
Abhishek Gupta
November 20, 2012
As response to Ruth's 1st point 'Do we really want a 20-year warranty on a technology that will inevitably be obsolete within the next 10 years?': Remember that a SPV Power Generation system gets installed because it generates power. As long as it keeps generating power it is serving its purpose and not becoming obsolete. Unlike a computer analogy the type and amount of computing performed today has vastly changed/increased from 5-7 years ago. Hence the obsolescence. Although more power is better, power generated is still power generated. Keeping this in mind a warranty for 20 years will ensure that the system keeps paying back like its supposed to. One can always add more capacity as the power requirement increases. Regards Abhishek Gupta www.sunipod.com
Ruth Cooper
Ruth Cooper
November 20, 2012
On the subject of Performance vs. Cost ... As another commentor suggested: Do we really want a 20-year warranty on a technology that will inevitably be obsolete within the next 10 years?

I would rather have the difference between Tier 1, 2, & 3 solar modules explained upfront and then decide for myself cost vs. performance. I may choose to change out solar modules 10 years down the road, based on efficiency improvement vs. retrofit cost implications, etc., Financial analysis may support buying the lower tiered modules and retrofitting them a decade later.

P.S. While the computers of today may be of higher quality (performance) at a lower price, they are now no longer designed with maintenance & servicing in mind. The high cost of fixing even the simplest of failures vs. the lower cost of buying new, has created a real e-waste problem. What is the true cost of these lower cost but irreparable items?

P.P.S. I would recommend before we continue discussion on 'quality', that we seek to define what this term truly means i.e., are we talking efficiency, minimal degradation over time, reduced maintenance/service costs, handling of disposal costs, etc? Life-cycle costing, while having received a bad reputation as an often mis-used buzz phrase, really needs to be considered when talking about cost of a system.
Ruth Cooper
Ruth Cooper
November 20, 2012
Regarding the following statement made by dr n-n "An efficient production scheme using TQ, JIT and optimization should result in lower cost":
With over 12 years of product engineering support of automotive industry OEM experience, I can attest to the fact that an efficient production scheme lowers production cost, but not necessarily longer term costs i.e., those incurred through warranty claims.

Actually, the automotive industry's history should serve us well in this discussion. I recall the never ending struggle between 'manufacturing cost reduction' initiatives, which would result in warranty cost increases, followed by warranty cost reduction initiatives, which quite often suggested returning the design of the system back to its state prior to the changes introduced by the manufacturing cost reduction team. It was an amazing 'make work' cycle, exacerbated by segmented cost-accounting/responsibility and geographically separation of manufacturing facility (responsible for cost of production) vs. financial HQ (responsible for warranty claim processing), and the time delay between a product's date of manufacture and the date of associated warranty claim.

Performance vs. cost is also not unique to the manufacture of solar PV modules. Automobiles, appliances, electronic components, etc. are currently also sold through a tiered structure; it just isn't called that. If one wants to buy a ~ 25% efficient solar PV module (NASA-grade), it will definitely cost more than the 15-17% module more commonly available.

[a little more to follow :)]
John Nistler
John Nistler
November 20, 2012
In the early days of computers, we would all buy our components and then put together a system. Then computer manufacturers took over the engineering and analysis aspect of looking at components and were able to produce higher quality computers at lower price.

The Solar PV system has evolved to this situation. PV system suppliers provide all details of the system from the special security bolts and anchors (to avoid theft) to the optical enhancement glass which reduces dust impact (aka, reduces cleaning or degradation in power output). Engineering costs are spread across multiple systems providing an overall lower system cost then you can do by yourself. This includes support in looking at shadowing affects versus overall layout on your roof or placement of your full polar pole mounted tracking systems.

As stated, quality is not tested in. The author of this article would tend to have you believe that by using a valid testing company you would obtain a high quality product. Not true. A true quality assurance program works with all suppliers, verifies their manufacturing process and suppliers and designs a quality system.

www.psida.webs.com
Abhishek Gupta
Abhishek Gupta
November 20, 2012
I think a clear distinction needs to be made in the discussion where people are talking about complete system (Design to Commissioning) costs to Just the panels. Although the article clearly wants to talk about Modules there has been some very interesting discussions about the former as well. Here I believe equating all system designs and implementation capabilities the same would be a mis-judgement, as clearly poor selection, design and implementation can lead lower than average generation and persistent downtime.

Regards
Abhishek Gupta
www.sunipod.com
Dr. N. N. Panicker
Dr. N. N. Panicker
November 20, 2012
The sales-talk of asking for higher price for quality cannot be accepted when the product, function or output is the same. An efficient production scheme using TQ, JIT and optimization should result in lower cost. Quality first time and all the time, is more economic than testing, rejection and replacement. Perhaps, we should be looking for the manufacturing practice rather than claims of quality and warranty.
Peak power efficiency and total power output depend on different materials also and cannot be bracketed with quality; the cost also cannot be compared with a different type of panel.Technological committment to strive for the highest efficency possible should also be encouraged, when we select a supplier. That will weed out those who do not advance this evolutionary journey.
Dr. N. N. Panicker,tatsatpanicker@gmail.com
Gerry Wootton
Gerry Wootton
November 19, 2012
Poorly made doesn't cover it all. Poorly designed is also a good possibility. Then there's the grey zone of supply chain. Here's an example problem: cell supplier A has a product which generally produces a breakage rate of 0.5% at tabbing and stringing while B's equivalent produces 1.5% breakage but offers a discounted price based on breakage. Sometimes A can't meet delivery (time is money). Then there's C whose performance classification is more accurate than either A or B resulting in slightly better performing strings but may cost a bit more. Supply chain only understands price and delivery. Not the easiest problem to optimize. A subtle economy of scale: manufacturers can't get better until they can afford full-time experts to work these problems effectively. Customers will lean towards cheap a) because they really don't understand quality and value and/or b) because their demand is filtered through a system installer intent on maximizing their margin. A lot more variation (for want of a better word) can happen in residential than in larger scale projects. At 10 MW and up, bankers and/or system operators and/or insurers, have much more input - some of it beneficial. Unfortunately, there's not much in the way of consumer reports and many independent evaluations are colored either by the seller knowing they're being audited and/or insufficient sampling. Lifetime studies are notoriously difficult to do well: we could put you into a cement mixer for an hour and then predict your life expectancy by extrapolating the data - hardly telling if the cancer has barely started. It's even harder for products that are rapidly evolving. On the one hand there's a degree of uncertainty; on the other, an over-sold expectation of perfection. The reality is there's a long list of products where lifetime guarantees are nebulous promises. Solar can and will get better but first we have to figure out who the Toyoda's are going to be.
Les Lyster
Les Lyster
November 19, 2012
Thanks for bringing this discussion back into focus. The comments I made to this forum last week are based on being a pv module manufacturer. Great machinery, great staff, and great suppliers make a great solar panel. Having only two of these doesn't work. Margins are often met by reducing costs of materials. You can scale a company to a GW or higher to increase your raw material purchasing power and increase yield and throughput rates. After that a manufacturer faces choices on lowering costs through alternate suppliers. Often this adds risk to the product and consumer. It is too easy for this to be done and usually there is no update or information provided when manufacturers change out suppliers. Thinned out frames, tpe backsheets, low cost eva, low cost jbox, ribbon from no name companies. The module brand you trusted a few years ago is likely using all new suppliers for their modules. Ask them for a list of some of their qualified suppliers. Doubt you will receive anything. Lack of transparency is a problem. Caveat Emporor.
Bill Marcus
Bill Marcus
November 19, 2012
Of course not, but to make a statement that there all basically the same, is way off. If that were even close to true, then no manufacturer would strive to be better, be more efficient, be higher quality. They would just do what the Chinese manufacturers do. Only try to figure out how to make the product cheaper.

This article was not about bad installs, we all know at least 90% of all installers, in all home improvement do inferior installations.

This article was about poorly made panels, and this is what were discussing.
Gerry Wootton
Gerry Wootton
November 19, 2012
oops - sorry. I meant to reinforce what you said. Bodacious rant though (Beck called ... he want's his box back). My experience exceeds a mere 14 years including engineering manufacturing and inspection systems for solar, process validation, involvement with design and certification of solar modules, etc. for multiple manufacturer's. Put my dirty fingers on every part of the process from weighing 'rock' through to stuffing the box. There are many corners that can be cut and many are. Whenever you replace precision tooling with low cost labor and SPC with guesswork, there's going to be problems. Ditto when customer stinginess makes them tone deaf to quality statements. As a basic rule, it's always easier to blame everyone else. Apropos your auto analogy - not all mechanics produce the same result with the same vehicle ... it's not always the product that's the problem.
Bill Marcus
Bill Marcus
November 19, 2012
GeraldR is a Idiot, this are the dummies I have had to deal with for the 14 years I have been in the Solar industry. Dumb Dumb statement, there all pretty much the same, is not even close to true. Why is this product different then TVs, or Cars, or Windows, or HVAC are all those the same, of course not.

Let's look at Sunpower and Sanyo, these two brands will produce the same amount of power in much much much less square footage then the cheap brands out there.

Let's look at heat, when it gets well over 100 degrees what happens to the cheap panels out there, they produce anywhere from 50% less power, to shutting themselves off. Not Sanyo.

Let's look at degradation, cheap panels degrade at a much much higher rate.

Construction, cheap panels cheap connectors, Lead solders, cheap frames, etc etc.

I can go on, but it's the idiots like you, that has caused this article to be written.

It's also guys like you that use cookie cutter plans that the low end manufacturers give you to install. So now you installing in shade, bad stringing, cheap product, bad install, untrained crews, rood leaks, etc etc.

A car gets you where you want to go, why aren't all those the same.

A TV shows you a picture, why aren't those all the same.
Gerry Wootton
Gerry Wootton
November 19, 2012
'A defect rate of even 5.5% is really, really bad.' True, the bronze standard is 0.3% and the gold standard is 0.0034%. There is only one established industry where 3.5% is the norm but I won't scare anyone by saying what it is.
The more subtle 'defect' is the variability in performance: one low performer in a string compromises the whole. For the most part, this is not well controlled, mostly because metrology is an area where the same cheap-at-all-costs mentality persists. The industry has even managed to turn uncertainty into a virtue with notions like 'plus only'.
Gerry Wootton
Gerry Wootton
November 19, 2012
'all solar panels are pretty much the same, they turn the suns energy into Electricity' - absolutely true. Perhaps part of the problem is the attempt to dumb it down. Solar panels are, in principle, quite simple gadgets. But let's take kitchen knives as an example: simple product with a clearly defined application space and yet value and quality are all over the map. 'spitting out panels fast, cheap, and no quality control' - hopefully, doing it fast and economically is a positive value: in industry, that's called Just-in-Time and Lean manufacturing. Clearly, it is the best path to consistent good quality and best customer value. The secret ingredient is attitude from top to bottom in an enterprise. There's an interesting incongruity operating here: customer's want it cheap and are then disappointed when that's all they get. It's also a very American attitude that quality control is the problem: you cannot inspect quality (or value)in! It's even a simple principle that the higher the end-of-line failure rate, the higher the escapes. It's also a fallacy that all defects are evident at final inspection. In order to ensure product quality, it is necessary to ensure that all aspects of the manufacturing process are in good control including incoming parts from suppliers. That only ensures that everything is as it should be - which is insufficient: it is also necessary to address value. This is fundamentally different than quality control. Metrology, quality control measures and quality assurance systems are aspects of solar manufacturing that lag far behind in the industry. This may be just teething pain. Witness the 'mature' food industry's steady stream of recalls (and they pretty much have to kill someone before this happens).
Scott Carlson
Scott Carlson
November 19, 2012
When I have had the time I have been checking on my installations that are around 24 years old now. All have been found to be working with no major problems. Why clean modules these days when you can just install a few more modules to offset the degradation? I laughed when someone said use Sun Power, Nice modules but they are a relatively newer manufacturer. I think less than 20 years and know of some problems they have had.
Abhishek Gupta
Abhishek Gupta
November 18, 2012
Thanks Andreas, There's a lot of great stuff on it. A lot is apparent to those that know, and so much that the consumer may not be aware of. Unfortunately a lot of "certified" installers also are not aware of these issues.

Longwatcher is right, on a tilted roof, having to clean panels every 2 weeks would be a big-deal, however on flat roofs which is the norm in countries in South East Asia, Middle East, Mexico, South America etc, its easily done. Also in the US like in VA cleaning is probably less needed than in other places.

By the way, a spin off discussion/poll is on linkedin here and would very much appreciate your point of view.

http://linkd.in/RVht9I

Regards
Abhishek Gupta
www.sunipod.com
Ruth Cooper
Ruth Cooper
November 17, 2012
@JayBurch You mention the rise of Solar Thermal, encourage through the halcyon 'tax credit' and the similarity between the development of a solar thermal industry and the development of the solar PV industry.

I propose that it is precisely because of the fact that solar PV outwardly appears to be a less complex technology that the incentive plans have encouraged an even greater number of technically ill-equipped opportunists to establish small businesses offering system design & installation services.
Tim Dolan
Tim Dolan
November 17, 2012
When your solar panels are on top of a 2-story roof like mine, you don't want to be going up there every two weeks to clean them off. Luckily I live in Virginia and not a desert and the rain does a very good job of cleaning them off on almost a monthly basis.

Other then a micro-burst during a hurricane taking a panel down to the ground (it was checked out and is back up working fine), I have not done any maintenance on my system for almost a full 3 years now and don't anticipate that changing anytime in the next few years.

The only exception might be if there is another couple years of no snow, since I need about 2 inches of snow to clear off what the rain doesn't get. I will have to eventually go up there and clean them off, but only because we get a small amount of coal dust in the neighborhood from the coal trains coming nearby and that accumulates over years.

But I would like to also point out. There are a few good Chinese solar PV manufacturers and unfortunately a lot of bad ones, you just need to identify which are which before you start comparing with US or European manufacturers, which is what I did.
John Nistler
John Nistler
November 17, 2012
A valid point about installation and shading. PSIDA is an overall system integrator, essentially the computer manufacturer equivalent for the solar industry. There appears to be a misconception still prevalent, aka, lets go out and buy a bunch of solar panels and slap them up on our roof.

As system providers who do the engineering to address many of the issues that people have become more prevalent, overall system costs will continue to come down. Unfortunately, some people will never get that maximum power production at minimal system cost translates into the cost per kWh. Too many people still think that cost per watt of the panels is the only factor involved. Higher efficiency panels help to reduce overall system costs, an important aspect of lower cost per kWh.
Abhishek Gupta
Abhishek Gupta
November 17, 2012
Andreas Iliou, Could you point us to some resources with studies you talk about when you say that 60% of the installations in Germany were wrong?
Abhishek Gupta
Abhishek Gupta
November 17, 2012
andreas-iliou-230262 makes a valid point, MOST of the problems are with faulty installations. This problem is even more prevalent in countries like India, Mexico etc, where "cheapest" equipment is sourced without regard to technical compatibility and without consideration of impact on efficiency. Then the customer who is already confused is stuck with the "lemon" solution and eventually blames the technology, giving Solar a bad rap.

I disagree with salim-mehmud-257822. Not because what is being said is wrong, but its just from the misconstrued perspective. When one talks of maintenance in such systems they are talking about wear and tear maintenance, electrical overhauls, expensive replacements mechanical cleaning etc like you can easily see in Diesel Generators, and even some other renewable energy systems.

No Solar Power User when told that they may have to clean the panels once every 2 weeks considers it a heavy chore to adhere to. Just like they would clean the office floors or desks this is another equipment to be dusted.
SALIM MEHMUD
SALIM MEHMUD
November 17, 2012
The common perception that the solar panels are install and forget is misplaced. The fact is that even high quality solar panels require constant care and treatment determined by the environment in which these are exposed. As an example, the solar panels in dusty and sandy winds need frequent washing to sustain their efficiency. There is no such thing as solar panels that require no maintenance. On top of that the additional problem is posed by poor quality solar panels emerging from cost cutting practices in their manufacturing, that are shaking the confidence of users who by and large are laymen. So ultimately it is the industry which will suffer. Therefore, the need to spotlight those who are indulging in the malpractice of manufacturing cheap solar panels through cutting corners.

Salim Mehmud
Abhishek Gupta
Abhishek Gupta
November 17, 2012
I believe it has, but like so much noise in most emerging technologies and sunrise industries, it should have been expected. As the manufacturing costs go down, the material costs either hold or recede and the process simplifies further this is natural evolution. However as much as this will disturb the market and muddle things a bit for all of us quality products and services will emerge as the long-stay in the business.
The impact you are talking about is noticeable not just in manufacturing but also in services where fly-by-night traders are selling crummy systems to unsuspecting customers who will soon realize their mistakes.
Of course it will impact adoption but that will only be a short term problem.
Bill Marcus
Bill Marcus
November 17, 2012
Well in the 14 years that I have been in this industry I have been fighting with Engineers, installers, customers about the ridiculousness of the statement that I hear from these people. "all solar panels are pretty much the same, they turn the suns energy into Electricity" that's a ridiculous statement. Articles like this show that there are very big differences.
Why such a high failure rate, Chinese garbage, spitting out panels fast, cheap, and no quality control.
If panels are all the same then why is it with Sanyo, and Sunpower you need almost 50% less area to produce the same amount of energy. Why would any manufacturer strive to use better grade of Silicone, processed in a better way, with custom glass, better frames, etc.

I've been saying for a long time these new marketing companies that only care about profit, so they find the cheapest piece of crap out there to install on a homeowners home, would come back to haunt them, so here we are.

Told ya.
Jay Burch
Jay Burch
November 16, 2012
The 'poor reliability' of some PV products/installs as reported here is eerily similar to the reliability debacle that afflicted the solar thermal industry during the halcyon 'tax credit' days in the early 80s. There were about 230 suppliers of thermal equipment, and quality was spotty in the products of some of these generally-undercapitalized firms. Consolidation resulted in about 6 U.S. manufacturers surviving. (Note PV similarity). Thousands of installation firms arose, some of which were poor in training and made fatal mistakes installing systems, used poor materials in installation, etc; these factors induced some percentage of failures that was fairly low (we don't know what the failure rates were; just a few is way too many). Once these failures start being reported publicly, even if but a few, the reputation of the product goes into negative territory. The solar thermal industry is still dealing with these perceptions: 'Hey, we tried that once, it didn't work out very well, right?...' It looks inevitable, given the statistics of over-greedy and unthinking people, that PV will be besmirched as solar thermal was, and have to spend a lot of effort trying to recover a quality reputation. Tough situation. We had hoped that, bcause of a higher degree of simplicity, that PV might avoid these systemic growing pains.
Les Lyster
Les Lyster
November 16, 2012
Pressure to make money or any type of margin often comes at the expense of quality. The ability to cut costs through scale has been reflected in the pricing for modules already. Now margins are being further compromised by over supply. AR glass and a few other bom introductions have helped module manufacturers but inferior supplies are also making their way into the market. As much as people would like to view pv modules as a commodity, it is far from this today. As more utility scale projects fail around the world, financiers and customers will truly devolop proper assesments for their needs. Deep dive audits of all suppliers will need to extend from the module maker to the refinery method of the silicon used in the solar cells. I look forward to the day that full disclosure is a standard amongst all manufacturers supplying into this ever growing and emerging solar market.
John Nistler
John Nistler
November 16, 2012
Put it in perspective of the people making the claims whose whole business is based on convincing someone to do testing. Not saying that poorly made panels are not out there, but if your entire quality concept is cost per watt, no matter how inferior the product is, then buyer beware.

We do not buy lowest efficiency solar panels. One reason. Higher efficiency panels are harder to make, thus quality has to be there to be high efficiency.
David Bainbridge
David Bainbridge
November 16, 2012
What about PV manufacturers like Kyocera who states "Kyocera's solar modules are the first in the world to have been certified in the Long-Term Sequential Test that measures a module's durability and reliability. The new test was carried out by TUV Rheinland, a third-party organization that certifies the safety and quality of a wide range of products." Is this a way some manufacturers are proving they aren't cutting corners?
Rematog - The Original
Rematog - The Original
November 16, 2012
kvinokumar,

With an investment that pays for itself over a very long time frame, the equipment needs to last.

20 years life is very short in the power industry. We normally expect systems to last 30-50 years.

The PV industry should be very concerned about manufacturers who cut corners and make panels that will have a high failure rate 5-10 years out. The cost is important, but investment will dry up if project financial failures because of rapid module degradation become the norm.

And yes, the engineers and project developers need to buy panels from high quality providers, because PV projects can only make financial sense if they can be amortized over a long (20+ years) time frame.
ANONYMOUS
November 16, 2012
The $/W mentality trickles down to the installers as well, many will cut corners with inferior BOS materials, inferior installation practices, and untrained / unskilled labor to turn a profit. Add installation failure rates on to the reported 5% -8% module failure rates and it becomes clear that the customer's anticipated life cylcle costs may be much more than expected.
Jim Stack
Jim Stack
November 16, 2012
The known big name PV makers like First Solar, Solar World , Sanyo and Sunpower are always top quality. They also have been around a long time and stand behind what they make. Trying to buy off brands at low prices would be a problem. One cheap poor quality maker could make the entire industry look bad. Always buy quality, it pays.

Panels keep getting better and output is amazing. The Sunpower PV is almost double any others, best in high heat and even low light. The cost is so low because of output and quality why look for anything else.
vinod kumar
vinod kumar
November 16, 2012
Warranties running to 20 years or more are pretty meaningless. The manufacturers may not be around after a few years and the consumers may just replace the panels with newer technology panels. So it may be better to have a warranty of one year to take care of random manufacturing defect. Instead of 25 year warranties, the manufactureres can quote expected lifetimes and performance degradation limits, certified by testing labs, so that consumers can make lifecycle cost estimates.
Ruth Cooper
Ruth Cooper
November 16, 2012
As someone who lives in Ontario Canada, I can say that I have witnessed the birth of the commercial solar industry here first hand :)

International $/W pressures have been held partially at bay by domestic content requirements. But political man-handlings of our FIT program have local manufacturers in a noose; their products are possibly too expensive to compete on the international market, while the local market demand is uncertain and unpredictable.

What those who are pushing for grid parity don't seem to understand is that cost is typically taken out in ways the typical consumer can't initially discern; aren't engineers brilliant :)

I would like to suggest that one typically gets what they pay for. Stop the race to the bottom with $/W - based discussion; instead, push for more W per sqft (m2) i.e., efficiency improvement through R&D, so that commercially available panels at > 25% efficiency are readily available.

The global push for solar to attain grid parity is killing the very industry that could achieve these efficiency improvements.
Anumakonda Jagadeesh
Anumakonda Jagadeesh
November 15, 2012
I am from Andhra Pradesh,India. Our Native language is Telugu. There is a proverb in Telugu: Mandi Ekkuvaithe Majjiga Palachana (When there are more people butter milk will be diluted at functions). Our past experience in India shows, whereever there are subsidies quality suffers in most cases and present solar PV push is no exception. Thanks to the cheap stuff from China the situation further worsens. Already Solar Power is expensive being of low efficiency and if failures are more people loose confidence in this field.. It happened in Water pumping Wind mills in India. Thousands of water pumping wind mills were installed in India during 80s under Demonstration scheme free of cost. They were very cheap and of poor quality. Two of them were installed in my Farm in Nellore District, Andhra Pradesh,India. In a small gale they were blown away.

Unless there is strict quality control in Renewable Energy Equipment there will only be targets but not real progress especially in Government supported schemes and projects.

Dr.A.Jagadeesh Nellore(AP),India
E-mail: anumakonda.jagadeesh@gmail.com
Paul Dailey
Paul Dailey
November 15, 2012
Given the context, I would assume that the defect rate referred to is the stuff that fails a final factory QA check and therefore never ships. It's also conceivable that the numerator includes failures at all steps, while the denominator is fixed at the number of units entering finished goods - that would make it allear a little worse than it really is. Even so, at more than 5%, it significantly impacts manufacturing costs since it's rare that a defective PV module can be reworked.
Dennis Houghton
Dennis Houghton
November 15, 2012
A defect rate of even 5.5% is really, really bad. Did I misunderstand that paragraph or is the fledgling PV industry simply doing whatever they can to survive after growing irrationally quickly?

If we have an installed PV base that begins to fail in a just a few years, the consumer market confidence will falter quickly. It only takes a few failure anecdotes to poison the consumer market.

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