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Treasury Dept. Fingers SolarCity in Exploration of the Dark Underbelly of Solar Leasing

John Farrell, Institute for Local Self-Reliance
October 17, 2012  |  62 Comments

A new government investigation of SolarCity on the eve of its initial public offering (IPO) may explain how solar leasing is fleecing federal taxpayers and making U.S. residential solar more expensive than in other countries.

The Treasury Department inspector general is probing solar leasing company SolarCity (and others) for its use of “fair market value” pricing on leased systems.  At issue is the federal 30 percent tax credit for solar, based on the installed cost of the system.  As an accepted practice, many leasing companies have reported the “fair market value” to the federal government in lieu of the actual cost.  But in the case of Solarcity’s California operation, in particular, that reported price was often much higher for leased systems than for customer-owned solar arrays.

Solar leasing lowers the barrier to entry for many people, allowing them to get solar on their rooftop without enormous upfront costs or the necessity of navigating local, state and federal incentives.  In fact, the vast majority of residential solar being installed in the nation’s largest market (California) is leased, not owned.  It’s not unexpected when installing and financing solar is so much more complex here in the U.S., with 50 different state markets and complicated tax-based incentives.

But this leasing middleman is the issue for Treasury because he’s allegedly inflating the cost of leased solar arrays to pocket unfairly large tax incentives.  Solar leasing companies are reporting “fair market value” installed costs that are far higher than the actual cost of installing solar.  This nets them a larger 30 percent tax credit (which is based on that reported cost), that largely goes to the bottom line rather than to the leasing customer.

ILSR first covered this issue in May 2011, when I wrote about this phenomenon, tipped off by Jigar Shah from Carbon War Room that solar leasing companies inflated project cost estimates in order for their bank financiers to collect out-sized tax credits.  But Jim Jenal at Solar Feeds added powerful evidence, culled from analysis of data from the California Solar Initiative.

The data shows the reported installed cost for customer-owned and leased solar arrays that participated in the state incentive.  It fingers SolarCity in particular, whose leased systems costs 50 percent more than residential solar projects that are owned by the customer.  The following chart shows the average installed cost of leased and owned residential systems for four different solar contractors in California, using the California Solar Initiative Data from 2010 for smaller than 10-kW residential solar PV projects in Southern California Edison territory.

The practice of higher-priced leased systems is not new.  Mr Jenal finds that SolarCity has had a significant price premium on its leased systems since 2008.  His chart is reproduced below.

There are explanations, of course.  SolarCity is one of the few vertically integrated solar leasing firms, handling everything from installation to financing.  But the premium seems extraordinarily large even with the additional services.  The Treasury Department seems to agree.

Since the federal solar tax credit pays 30 percent of the system cost, and the significant markup on SolarCity’s leased system means a much larger tax credit.  Mr Jenal calculates that SolarCity has cost federal taxpayers over $10 million in inflated tax credits since the beginning of 2008.  SolarCity and its financiers (which include PG&E and U.S. Bank) presumably also took the federal depreciation bonus (also based on the system installed cost).  At a 20 percent tax rate, the depreciation bonus would have a value of about two-thirds of the tax credit, adding another $6 to 7 million to the tally.

The taxpayer cost may represent malfeasance, but in some ways it’s a side effect of a more pressing problem of leasing.  In places like California, solar power already costs less than utility electricity (with incentives), and the gap is growing.  But leasing companies don’t have an incentive to pass along the growing savings. If the utility sells electricity for 15 cents a kilowatt-hour and Solarcity sells it for 13 cents, customers feel like they get a good deal.  But what if SolarCity can generate that power for 9 cents (or less)?  As more customers turn toward leasing, it may mean that U.S. solar prices will never fall to levels in the most advanced solar markets because middlemen will pocket the difference between low-cost solar and high utility rates.

Even if Treasury finds SolarCity and other middlemen guilty of misusing the fair market value provision, it won’t solve the larger issue.  Perhaps the solution isn’t just a consistent standard for middlemen to report the cost of solar.  Perhaps it’s not having a middleman at all.

This article was originally published on Institute for Local Self-Reliance (ILSR) and was republished with permission.

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Kurt Johnsen
Kurt Johnsen
May 2, 2013
jd,

To read the breakdown of the annual $4 billion in tax breaks for big oil (which does still include the depletion allowance you say ended decades ago) go to; http://money.cnn.com/2011/04/26/news/economy/oil_tax_breaks_obama/index.htm
chris eddy
chris eddy
May 2, 2013
Oil companies should certainly be able to deduct their investment cost over time, but with percentage depletion the allowance can actually exceed the amount invested. For 80 years lobbyists have defeated every attempt to end this absurdity. How much this excess depletion costs us in tax revenues I cannot say - I've seen estimates all over the map. But even if it's only a billion it should be shut down on general principles.
Russ Aney
Russ Aney
May 2, 2013
The oil depletion allowance continues, and it is used to essentially treat the value of oil in the ground as a capital investment that can be expensed over time (up to the value paid for it), similar to how businesses can depreciate their investments in capital equipment. Some would argue that oil in the ground should not be expensed as if it were a piece of equipment. This unique tax benefit for extraction industries is not a myth. See current IRS Pub 535.
JD Evans
JD Evans
May 2, 2013
I-cheng: No, the "oil depletion allowance" was discontinued decades ago. The so-called "subsidies" are the same deductions as every other industry's, to wit, the cost of doing business. The myth of "big oil subsidies" exists only in the minds of environmentalists and their crony media types. And you fell for it.
L Cheng
L Cheng
April 1, 2013
$10M. Doesn't the government spend tens of billions on fossil fuel subsidies?
mike ng
mike ng
January 23, 2013
I am a homeowner and currently doing research on the cost of solar installation. I recently got a car sales-style pitched by Verengo. They wanted to lease me a 6kw system with 0 down. I would have to pay all the energy I use from Tier 3 and above; which is somewhere in the mid 30 cents. I would have to pay Verengo .25 per watt at Tier 3 which is currently lower than Edison. However, in ten years time; it's pretty much the same. It comes out to be about $130 for Verengo and whatever else for Edison per month. My bill is normally in that range on average, give or take 20-30 dollars. It really doesn't make sense to lease a system to save $20 and be stuck with a contract for 20 years. What gets me is that, he can call his manager and lower the price after my discontent. I thought I was buying renewable energy, not a car. I was thinking of calling SolarCity but not after reading this. Reading this article really makes me even more disgusted at the scams some these companies are creating to bilk the consumer and the government. There really need to be more transparency for the consumer especially if these companies are taking government incentives.
Jeffrey Blumenthal
Jeffrey Blumenthal
November 12, 2012
I'm not defending Solar City, but some fine points:
- The author quotes a "50%" cost hike between sale/lease, but the bar graph shows 16-39%.

- The author calls Solar City (and other solar leasing companies )the "middle man" and suggests cutting them out. Huh? The leasing company sells, ships, installs, finances, and maintains the system for the life of the lease, in other words, everything but manufacture the equipment. How is that a middle man?

Most people couldn't even touch solar if not for the great value that the solar lease offers. The author suggests that solar lease companies should offer the product as cheap as they possibly can, but that's not how a market works. They're not public utilities, they're for-profit companies employing a lot of people. If people don't think they're saving enough money with solar, they can stick with the utility. If one solar company can undercut another by offering a lower $/kWh, they'll get the business.

Solar leasing means more solar, which is a win for everybody: more savings for more people, less greenhouse gasses, more great jobs for America. The leasing companies should play by whatever rules the government has in place, but don't bash the industry.
M. SIMON
M. SIMON
October 31, 2012
"The last person to leave won't have to shut the lights off--they'll go out by themselves."

Cracked me up.
Cliff Claven
Cliff Claven
October 30, 2012
Instead of the Golden State, CA is becoming the Brownout State. The responsibility falls on the insane policies and politics of Sacramento and Malibu. They did it to themselves with Gray and Enron a couple years back, and they're doing it to themselves again with CARB and RPS. The last person to leave won't have to shut the lights off--they'll go out by themselves.
M. SIMON
M. SIMON
October 30, 2012
An RE standard of 33% is nuts from a grid stability stand point. I left that state in '74 and have never looked back.

If you count the hot standby required for such a scheme you get a net RE on the order of a few percent. At least that is what Germany found.

Semi manufacturing is leaving CA because of high cost electricity and uncertainty of supplies.

If you RE fans were smart (a rare commodity in that community) you would be pushing for a LOT more R&D in storage. I am.
Mark Miller
Mark Miller
October 30, 2012
m-simon-251919 says "other peoples money" and AE.

M,

The CA ISO's are bringing on lots of PV in order to meet our state 'mandated RE standard (currently set at 33%). In order to make the value proposition (ie- "other people's money") acceptable to the investors of the RE facilities the PPA's (20 to 25 year must take contracts) have time of delivery factors which value the generation from RE during peak times in the summer at a premium. There is some push back from various end users, stakeholders, about how the costs of the PPA's should be allocated. In the residential market their is some discussion about modifying the rate structures from our current very progressives prices (based on kwh/month) to rates that reflect the costs to deliver the energy to the end users.

A recent paper on the subject of "Residential Electricity Rates: Who Subsidizes Whom?"

"The residential electricity rate structures within California's three largest investor-owned utilities service territories - PG&E, SCE and SDG&E - are incredibly confusing, not cost-based, and not found in any other state. There is interest in re-designing the rates so they are easier to understand and more aligned with their underlying costs. If California were to change its residential tariffs, who would win and who would lose?"



was summarized in the fall 2012 newsletter from the Energy Institute at Hass- http://ei.haas.berkeley.edu/pdf/newsletter/2012Fall.pdf
M. SIMON
M. SIMON
October 30, 2012
I did say ALL subsidies. And solar production uses chemicals that pose some danger. It is just that they are at the mfg. plant and mines. They are generally not mobile on site.

Solar is a southern thing. Siting them in Michigan or Seattle doesn't help much. Solar gets dicey when the solar fraction feeding into the grid stars going much above 1%. Especially with large arrays. Think of 50 MW going to 5 with the sudden formation of a cloud. Or a passing cloud. Grid operators like to buy power in 15 minute increments. Thus where they take in AE they need hot standby generators or they need to be able to quickly turn off loads. Too bad if you are the load.

AE will be practical with cheap storage (a near by hydro facility would be good). Otherwise it is a boondoggle. Once the bad news starts filtering out we will have a replay of the Carter era.

What I see is too much feel good and not enough engineering. All made practical by "free" money (some times referred to as Other People's Money - OPM)
Jay Lindberg
Jay Lindberg
October 27, 2012
Let's walk you through the 3 three quotes process. A homeowner gets 3 quotes and determines he needs a 10 KW system for his home. The purchase prices run between $45,000 and $39,000. Solarcity offers a 20-year prepaid lease for $9,500 and the other two competitors come in at $17,500 and $16,500. Solarcity references check out, and they get the installation. There is no way that the customer would know that SolarCity was involved in tax fraud and embezzlement to consolidate markets, undercut their competitors and drive them out of business. Only a handful of employees working for Solarcity would even be privy to this information because of their ability to blackmail the company. As far as Solarcity competitors were concerned, we assumed Solarcity was simply using deep pockets of their investors to cover the losses while they devoured their competitors. There is no way for us to know that they were inflating the fair market value of their leases on a massive scale and using tax fraud to undercut their competitors. That sort of scheme is full blown criminal with tax fraud and embezzlement written all over it. The only people that could expect to get away with this would be very well connected in finance, Wall Street and the government. These people are insiders and they are above the law. I took info to the IRS to expose the PDFA in the 1990s. It was a very interesting meeting that ended with the agents telling me that the PDFA and their backers were too powerful for them to investigate.
Michael C
Michael C
October 27, 2012
While it is certainly dirty for SolarCity to pull this trick, it goes to show that homeowners must do their research before deciding which company to buy from. Get 3 quotes minimum and then compare. And remember that the cheapest system (or most expensive in SolarCity's case) is not necessarily the best.
ROBERT MACARTHUR
ROBERT MACARTHUR
October 24, 2012
No new taxes, please. They never go away and they are just as easy to misspend as they are now.
Jerry Edmondson
Jerry Edmondson
October 23, 2012
Please let us get back to giving our own industry credit for mostly being honest, straightforward and resourceful under incredible difficult circumstances of foreign companies with cheap labor, government subsidized cost and no respect of IP.
Our government assistance and regulation is far from perfect but still the best in the world in promoting free enterpise. Don't put things down just because it makes you feel superior.
F SC
F SC
October 23, 2012
- Tipical govenment stupidity. Today the dice are loaded in favor of cheaters.
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- We should take a lesson from Germany. They have a successful feed in tariff program. The taxpayers pay for PERFORMANCE, not cost, and it is up to the homeowner to keep an eye on costs.
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- Even better would be to have a carbon tax and no incentive.
A carbon tax would be fairer than incentives, as long as we also get a reduction of income tax. We all dislike taxes, so this should not be an additional tax, but compensated with an across the board reduction of income tax. The reduction should be by the same AMOUNT per tax payer, as opposed to the same PORCENTAGE. This will make it a democratic tax cut and not another tax-break for the rich.
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- The tax system specifies who will pay for the government to run. That includes its services, its bureaucracy and even government waste. There is a lot to be said and done about how the government spends our money, but that is another post. For now let's agree that that we need to pay taxes somehow. Government uses a combination of taxes attempting to get the mix right. There are two main taxes, and I am proposing a third. Government can tax productivity using income tax. It can tax consumption using sales tax; and it could tax pollution through a carbon tax. Government should reduce the tax on productivity and substitute it for a tax on pollution.
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- Why should my tax dollars go to pay for my boss's super electric rooftop so he can run his air conditioner 24/7, when at night I just open the windows? I save more carbon but who pays me? The income tax reduction would pay the energy frugal more than they are charged by the carbon tax.
As carbon intensity drops, at some point we will need mandates to drop down further. I believe that at this point, mandates are nice but the carbon tax would be the best tool. And it would cost very little. Instead of taxing this, we tax that. No additional tax.
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- Economics 101
Mark Miller
Mark Miller
October 22, 2012
I thought I'd check out the costs being reported in 2012 for SCE's territory.

A) Residential Market for PV
SCE territory 2012 (Host ownership)
(per Watt AC rating) n=1272 applications-
Size $/watt
1Kw = 10.11
2Kw = 8.45
3Kw = 7.74
4Kw = 6.86
5Kw = 6.43
6Kw = 5.89
7Kw = 6.12
8Kw = 6.18
10Kw = 6.30

Data from -
http://www.californiasolarstatistics.ca.gov/reports/cost_vs_system_size/

A coveat is noted for third party installations-

1Costs for systems owned by third parties versus host customers ($/watt) cannot be directly compared. See the FAQ page for details.

"Reported System Costs ($/watt)

The current $/watt data available for California Solar Initiative projects present difficulties when comparing host customer-owned and third-party-owned systems (e.g. leases or power purchase agreements (PPAs)). The reported costs for host customer-owned systems are simple, as they reflect the purchase price inclusive of parts, labor, permitting fees, overhead, and profit. Third-party-owned systems, on the other hand, are reported in a variety of ways, and may also capture costs for additional services.

There are at least three different ways third-party owners are reporting their system costs: ....."

Given the cavat noted above this is what the data looks for for SCE for Third Party installations this year-

B) SCE territory 2012- "Third Party" system ownership
(per Watt AC rating) n=3687 applications

Size $/watt
1Kw = 7.61
2Kw = 7.44
3Kw = 6.42
4Kw = 6.35
5Kw = 6.47
6Kw = 6.50
7Kw = 6.39
8Kw = 6.33
10Kw = 6.29
George Horrocks
George Horrocks
October 22, 2012
In competing against GroSolar and Solar City, we have repeatedly shown our customers significant REAL savings. The industry as a whole should have spoken out against this unscrupulous practice of severely overinflating the price and having taxpayers foot this bill through their lease programs. Not only that, they also depreciate a residential installation, whereas the end customer would not be able to do that. If you have a tax appetite, and equity in your home, then leases are the last thing ever to consider. If you are retired and don't pay any substantial taxes, then a lease is a reasonable alternative. We found in Massachusetts, their end price this year was typically $8.96 per watt, while we (and most other installers) were charging $4.95/W or less. This gives the whole industry yet another black eye - it is dishonest, no matter how you slice it. Time for Rhona Resch to speak out. If we are not the first to speak out, then we will all go under the bus.
Marc Michon
Marc Michon
October 18, 2012
>Reply hawkster
Worse than you think
Remember car leases that were a sale disguised as a lease?
Were made illegal.
Solar City is a Utility (energy provider)
masquerading as a leaser of solar systems.
They own system sell you power.

>John Farrell,If the utility sells electricity for 15 cents a >kilowatt-hour
>and Solarcity sells it for 13 cents, customers
>feel like they get a good deal.
> But what if SolarCity can generate that power for 9 cents (or >less)
Yes less 3 to 6 cents kwh. Their cost is not retail cost
minus rebate tax credit
The problem is financing
With a loan you need say $2,000 down not that a big problem
Problem is only loan you can get is a home improvement loan
Which interest is too high, no reason for a loan on a solar system to be 5 to 7 % interest
When banks get money at 0%
Car loans are at 0 or 2%
Where is low interest solar loans?
As solar system has more value than a car or home
As it produces a product that has value
ROBERT MACARTHUR
ROBERT MACARTHUR
October 18, 2012
I agree with m-simon that the government needs to stay out of the marketplace and with Fred that that goes for fossils too. We need regulation and we need a fair marketplace but we don't need crony capitalism or the government "investing." Also, I don't know why Jim is taking shots at Romney - he hasn't been caught in any scams, whereas Obama's campaign supporters have been caught in dozens.
Fred Widicus
Fred Widicus
October 18, 2012
m-simon, Do the same for fossil subsidies and you have something. Of course there will NOT be reductions in tax credits nor will structuring advantages for fossil fuel users be repealed. True that solar produces nothing at night, also true that solar produces NO emissions--day or night. NG and coal plants produce dangerous emissions (many are toxic to human existence)whenever they are running (day or night). You painted yourself into a corner and there is no reasonable reply that will gain you exit. Good day.
DUNCAN JIM
DUNCAN JIM
October 18, 2012
DODDYDOGWORLD SAID:
"Any time the gov't gets involved people will game the system"

The problem is NOT that the govt is involved the problem is there is "free" money available. The same thing happens when it's a taxpayer funded incentive or a utility funded incentive. The scammers come out of the woodwork posing as qualified PV installers and looking to get a piece of the action.
Solar City is an investor owned private company, wholly owned by one of the largest electric utilities in the world. Their >$1billion funding comes from some of the same private investment banks that brought us the recession.
SC only took advantages of many of the existing tax loopholes, the same way that the mortgage lenders legally gamed the system, vague IRS language that any tax lawyer can use to figure out how to profit from.
The article in Photon Magazine last year laid out the facts in plain language, SC was indeed inflating the FMV of their installs in spite of their actual cost and they got caught.
But you can bet that with so many wealthy investors hoping to profit from the SC game we won't hear Romney criticizing this scam like his campaign does Solyndra.
Solarguy
M. SIMON
M. SIMON
October 17, 2012
The way to put a stop to these shenanigans is to end subsidies. All of them.

BTW when you count the required hot backup solar is not at grid parity. It will be at grid parity when the cost of solar + storage = grid prices.

And then there is the dark energy problem. Solar produces no energy in the dark.
Jay Lindberg
Jay Lindberg
October 17, 2012
I strongly disagree with the graphs in this article. In 2010 the average per watt price for purchased solar in Southern California was in the $5.00 range. Not anywhere close to the $7.00 PER WATT CLAIMED HERE.

They were not only ripping off the government. They were burying their competitors when they pulled this fraud.
Dianne Meltzer
Dianne Meltzer
October 17, 2012
The federal 30 percent tax credit for solar, based on the installed cost of the system is unreal.. We should not allow any taxes on what should be free energy after cost of the system. PV manufactures are going out of business more taxes only hinders energy development. There should be a moratorium on taxes of green energy sources.
Brad Williams
Brad Williams
October 17, 2012
I am not the biggest fan of Solarcity. But, if you look into the mechanics of getting paid a grant you will see that it is reviewed by NREL before it is paid, and the guidelines for grants from the treasury differ from the IRS guidelines for the ITC. An independant appraisal was allowed to establish a cashflow value which now appears to be not allowed and they are focusing on the FMV. So, whether you like Solarcity or not they are getting the short end of politics and ignorance.
chris eddy
chris eddy
October 17, 2012
Greg @ #29, you missed the point. SolarCity is not 'charging more for their services'. SolarCity is (allegedly) lying to the government about how much they charge in order to collect an oversized subsidy. They then (allegedly) kick part of this excess subsidy back to the customer, so they actually charge the end user less than their competitors which then forces honest companies out of business.

Any time the gov't gets involved people will game the system. That's not to say gov't should never be involved, just that you need a lot of checks and balances so the largest profits go to the best competitors, not the most crooked or politically connected.
Mark Miller
Mark Miller
October 16, 2012
In response to Comment 8 by Anonymous

Thanks for the reference to the S1 filing! When I have some time I will take a look at it.

By chance did you notice if the filing discusses anything about securitization of the cash flows they will be receiving from all those leased systems they have in place, or if the CA ISO's are having to pay SolarCity Time of Delivery (TOD) factors for the electricity that is coming from the PV systems that they own?
Steve Fortuna
Steve Fortuna
October 16, 2012
I was offered a design/engineering job at SolarCity and decided not to join them after one day in the office. The employees were all demoralized, complained of being treated like sheep by executives and most are hoping to cash in on stock options and get out of dodge. Now the secret is out, check out his list of their executive team and board and see if you'd trust them to walk your money across the street. http://venturebeatprofiles.com/company/profile/solarcity/key_people
Tim Gulden
Tim Gulden
October 16, 2012
If you don't like the current laws and how big business is taking advantage of the little guy then GO OUT AND VOTE! If you don't vote then you have no reason to complain. Also, have you been part of your states' law making process? It looks like many, if not all of the above, have not. If you would have then many laws would have been changed already for the better. If you don't like the IRS having "Basis" then do something about it...complaining about it all will not help us nor our future generations. Also, if you haven't heard, there is a large push from the non-renewable energy sharks to try and kill renewables via extreme negative propaganda which is definitely evident in the above posts...chew away guys as 90% of the American public favor renewables and all your chewing will never change this majority.
Marc Saxe
Marc Saxe
October 16, 2012
This is nothing different that what is going on in the world of health care and insurance costs. Since the US government is essentially the insuror, the providers can get away with whatever they say the cost is. Without adequate regulatory supervision, the connivers and crooks will find a way to juice the system when there is a way to do it. This system is corrupt and Solar City is committing a fraud even if they have found out how to do it legally. That's the USA today.
Mike O'Grady
Mike O'Grady
October 16, 2012
The leasing game always favors the house, which is why I never lease a car and will never lease PV for my residence.

I can buy a 4500 watt system form $1.93 per watt and have electrcity for the next 20+ years without any rate hikes. My current monthly payments to the utility company average $80/mo, so to amortize a 4500 watt solution (minus my $80/mo) means I will own my system out right within 5 years. This is close to the duration I am subject to when BUYING a new car.
Greg Smith
Greg Smith
October 16, 2012
While I can appreciate the due diligence of the reporting/researching on this subject I have to ask myself, "Who cares?" SolarCity is charging more money for their services- that's capitalism (Here is where the arm flailing and yelling starts). They aren't the only player on the block and consumers have choices. Now we are supposed to pay attention because the Treasury Department "thinks" there might be overcharging?

I just saw a commercial for a BMW lease: $600 a month with $6000 down due at signing. Sounds a little high to me but it is a premium product and if someone doesn't want to sign on then they don't have to.

Sometimes the middle men are necessary for some people. This economy is floundering and most people do not have the money to purchase a new solar system. Leasing offers a way to accomplish this.

The consumer is the decider of what something is worth, not the government or people who are too emotionally hyped to understand the concept of personal value. I would never spend $2500 on a purse for my wife but that doesn't mean the purse is overpriced thus warranting an investigation.
Blake Omlie
Blake Omlie
October 16, 2012
anyone have a State by State analysis of where solar is at parity with and without subsidies and exactly what are they?
Blake Omlie
Blake Omlie
October 16, 2012
how does the math work on a solar system costing in total for e.g. a 3kW system and how does one calculate the cost per watt?
Blake Omlie
Blake Omlie
October 16, 2012
how does the math work on a solar system costing in total for e.g. a 3kW system and how does one calculate the cost per watt?
Calvin Verdun
Calvin Verdun
October 16, 2012
Wow,the only company with integrity is Verengo Solar. If I'm going residential solar, I'm going Verengo!
Vasuki Nag
Vasuki Nag
October 16, 2012
High quality solar panels cost about $.70 per watt. When you can get complete 1 KW solar systems at alibaba.com in retail for $2000 - $3,000 which works out about $2 - $3 per Watt without any subsidy, why does Solar City systems cost $8.69 per Watt after subsidy? Solar systems are way over priced in USA which is slowing the adoption of solar systems on residential and commercial buildings.
Richie Judas
Richie Judas
October 16, 2012
Easy solution. Make it production based. It makes no sense to subsidize anything other than production. It also makes it easier to differentiate between US and foreign products as you can just adjust the percentage per kWh for the actual benefit to the country assuming that us made would be a better economic value. That encompasses every possible benefit to the economy and eliminates bullshit companies immediately specifically in the small wind industry. Why not pull the economy in the right direction instead of pushing wasteful spending in our faces. You tell me?
Going Green
Going Green
October 16, 2012
A possible solution is to limit the all-in cost at 2.0x the product cost. Thus a panel, turbine or other equipment can only contain soft costs equal to the hard costs. They should be able to reference their historical costs per kW for verification.
ANONYMOUS
October 16, 2012
This practice should be reviewed for all the Chinese manufacturers as well. Many that are "financing" projects are doing this very same thing. SANY Electric reported an install cost for their wind turbines of almost $1.9 million per MW. Their turbines cost less than $500K per MW in China, and installation is around $250-350K per MW. With transport there is about $1.0 million of inflated costs to be paid by us, US taxpayers.
ROBERT MACARTHUR
ROBERT MACARTHUR
October 16, 2012
Always the same - one crooked deal after another. The Feds need to confine themselves to funding research and regulation, and stay out of the marketplace. And the country needs a new administration. The best thing that can happen to renewable is to get out from under these Chicago crooks.
Jerry Edmondson
Jerry Edmondson
October 16, 2012
What happened to common sense? leasing promotes development and the financial incentives for the lenders should be allowed. All forms of energy production, Wind, Solar, Geothermal, GTL, Coal, Nuclear, Tarsands, Shale, Hydrogen, every single type should be sensible researched and developed and encouraged including "fracing" even in neighborhoods. 66% of the oil was left behind when most oilfields were abandoned. With new completion techniques and EOR methods much of this oil can be produced way more efficiently and safely than in deep water, gov preserves and mountains. The USA is now, in fact, energy self sufficient without imports and can be an exporter entirely changing the "balance of payments" regarding energy. It is stupid to fight progress instead of encouraging innovation and progress. God knew what he/she was doing when humans were given the ability to be creative and resourceful.
ANONYMOUS
October 16, 2012
Kinda funny that Jigar pointed out the "markup" issue since much of SunEdison's success came from that very practice of fudging FMV for ITC calculations. As a/the founder he should be VERY aware of this.
Will Wilkin
Will Wilkin
October 16, 2012
Hawkster you make a persuasive case conceptually but the numbers don't add up from a CT perspective. We could NEVER price a 10k job at $20k much less 11. We can't make any money until close to $5/watt, and state avg here for residential for the year is almost exactly $5.

So though your case against Solar City might be correct in quality, the quantities are suspect, if such cheap actual costs are true then the mat'ls must be straight out of import shipping containers put up in a rush by laborers. We see them zipping around in out-of-state cars and trucks and interviewing installer candidates out of rented rooms and wonder what can be the quality of the installations at such rock bottom prices, are the installers licensed electricians or the cheapest available rushed through watt-per-day evaluations? Gotta wonder. Licensed electricians used to make a real middle class income but in the solar biz these giant financialized solar co's try to knock every margin out as if there is no cost in quality, in wages, and indeed in sacrificing American mfg to quick profits on cheap imports.
Mark Miller
Mark Miller
October 16, 2012
Peter (comment #6),
Back when I had my 6.12 Kw (DC) PV system installed (2006) my rebate from the state of CA (paid for via the "public purpose" program funds collected from my electric utility, PG&E, ratepayers) was $2.75 watt (AC system output not DC output). The "California Solar Initiative" http://www.californiasolarstatistics.ca.gov/
database has a wealth of information on PV costs over time in CA and you can evaluate the data by AC, or DC output. Your rebate, like mine, was based on the real world estimate of output for an average year at your specific location based on the combination of hardware efficiencies and panel placement. The database does not include the rebate, or tax credits, in the costs in the database summary statistics- your can get to the actual rebate amounts for each install- but that is not how the costs are summarized.

In order to minimize CA from overpaying for PV I saw a post that the ISO's are going to be limiting the state rebates (which are much lower then they were when we put our systems in) by limiting the maximum installed price per watt to $9.00 for calculating the rebates. I don't think this will effect SolarCity to much in their marketing efforts. I would of put the limit at closer to $6.00 watt.

On the other hand if the Federal Government would limit the 30% tax credit to no more then say $5.00 to $6.00 per watt that should limit the perceived overpayment of tax funds for what some folks consider crony capitalism and at the same time bring the total installed costs for PV in the US down to closer what it is over in Germany.
Jay Lindberg
Jay Lindberg
October 16, 2012
I was wondering if they were ever going to get busted for this conduct. Not only is Solarcity ripping off the tax payer, they were also using this pricing structure to force the closure of close to half the small to medium sized solar companies. Here is how it's done. We do a 20 year prepaid lease at $2.00 a watt based on a fair market price of $3.80 a watt (purchase price). Solar city comes in at $1.10 a Watt based on a fair market value of $5.60. The depreciation and tax credit value for solar city is $2.80. Our Depreciation and tax credit come to$ $1.90. On a 10 KW system we have bid the job fairly at $20,000. Solar City comes in at $11,000 based on defrauding the taxpayer. This practice put a lot of companies out of business and forced a lot of excellent sales personel out of this industry. I'm looking for work outside of the industry right now, directly because of Solarcity predatory pricing of their prepaid lease program.

While you shouldn't quote me on this, I'm betting that Solar City did over 50 million watts of residential solar through their leasing program and maybe three times that in the commercial market. If they ripped off the IRS at approximately $1.00 a watt, they defrauded the IRS of over $200 million dollars in the last year. If the IRS throws penalties on top of this swindle, SolarCity Loses could easily surpass half a billion dollars.

SolarCity should be reduced to bankruptcy and the Banksters/ Financiers that pulled this crap belong in Jail.
Will Wilkin
Will Wilkin
October 16, 2012
Hi Tim, Interesting legalism, I'm curious if you would also argue homeowners should be able to apply for solar tax credits for larger amounts than their actual cost?
Dell Jones
Dell Jones
October 16, 2012
And this is what will happen if the PACE programs are allowed to run without oversight. If PACE programs allow people to finance measures over 20 year of course the payments will be low and the unscrupulous contractors will tell people who cares what it cost look how low your payments are! Think about it - would you buy a car and finance it over 20 year? The fundamental issue that causes this 'solar gone wild' is incentives that are not based on performance. We need to have performance based incentives not on the total cost. This is the 80's all over again!!
Kurt Johnsen
Kurt Johnsen
October 16, 2012
The fair market value of the cost to install should be just that; what it would cost in the open marketplace. If Solar City chose to hire from a group of competing solar contractors the price would be around $4.00 /watt. If they do it themselves they can say the cost is $10.00? If that's legal then the tax laws are messed up and in favor of the large companies who get to rake in unjustified millions of our tax dollars. No wonder there is a huge deficit and debt.
Russ Aney
Russ Aney
October 16, 2012
Shame on the appraisers who assessed the fair market value of these systems so high vs. the cash price for which others were willing to install similar systems. This will garner a lot of ugly press and help certain folks in Washington lead a charge against the 30% ITC for renewable energy projects. It puts the entire solar (renewable) industry at risk for the next few years. Shame also on Solar City for not challenging the excessively high FMV's, regardless of whether its financing partners encouraged them. This is the kind of crap that makes the average citizen abhor Wall Street banks: it may be legal, but a lot of it is not very ethical in how they knowingly navigated the rules.

There is an arbitrage opportunity for a commercial entity to be the lessor (owner) of a residential system, especially if the commercial entity has a large tax appetite, because a commercial entity can recover its capital through depreciation tax deductions in addition to the ITC and other available state & local incentives.

Some have used leasing so that the commercial entity is able to lease a system or even to offer a "prepaid lease" for less than the cash cost of a residential buyer. There are risks to the lessor and additional responsibilities (inter-creditor risks in the event of foreclosure; performance risks; maintenance responsibilities), and those need to be factored into the price of the lease, but clearly installation companies have determined that it can be done for less than the cash price. It's too bad that this technique was abused. I fear the reaction this will cause, and the damage it could do to the solar industry.

Leasing can still offer the admirable value proposition of $0 down and a lower electric bill without resorting to inflated FMVs. For the others out there inflating FMVs above the local, comparable cash installation price, please stop the practice before you kill the ITC.
ANONYMOUS
October 16, 2012
i support to capt kirk we are installer and we do at most possible honest to our customer and make affordable to everybody .. but in some point some company think they are smart... go,go,go to the federal investigation hit and put in jail the person rip off our taxes that it ....
Tim Gulden
Tim Gulden
October 16, 2012
I'm not sure anything illegal is going on. Researching this issue reveals the following from the IRS code: Basis - As described in various Internal Revenue Service (IRS) publications, basis is the amount of a business' investment in property for tax purposes. Basis is generally the cost of the property and may also include the capitalized portion of certain other costs related to buying or producing the property (e.g. permitting, engineering, and interest during construction). However, as described in Bryant v. Commissioner of Internal Revenue (790 F.2d 1463), 'the courts have determined that in certain circumstances, a taxpayer's stated cost for an asset does not reflect the true economic cost of that asset to the taxpayer and will be ignored for purposes of determining the basis of the asset.' For example, a stated cost may be inconsistent with the eligible property's true basis 'where a transaction is not conducted at arm's-length by two economically self-interested parties or where a transaction is based upon 'peculiar circumstances' which influence the purchaser to agree to a price in excess of the property's fair market value.' Here is the prices you can charge up to: Residential, Residential/Small Commercial, Commercial/Large, Commercial/Utility Typical Size 5kW 25kW 250kW 2MW Turnkey Price per W +/- $7 +/- $6 +/- $5 +/- $4 Now if a company uses the accrual method of accounting, this will also shift the cost per watt claimed for basis to a different point in the past when prices were higher. These are all legal and in our tax code and I'm sure other smarter companies out there are doing the same thing, and possible even worse. Link is here: http://www.treasury.gov/initiatives/recovery/Documents/N%20Evaluating_Cost_Basis_for_Solar_PV_Properties%20final.pdf
ANONYMOUS
October 16, 2012
While I applaud Solar City on increasing the amount of solar being installed in the US, the way they have gone about it is deplorable. This is the next Solyndra waiting to happen, and I can only assume it's a matter of time before the cable news shows get a hold of this. As this article explains, Solar City has bilked tax payers of tens of millions of dollars. At the same time, Lyndon and Peter Rive, brothers and co-founders from South Africa have paid themselves millions. In 2011 they each paid themselves over $4Million, with ill gotten gains. The crazy part is that this information and so much more is all available on their S1 filing, http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1408356/000119312512416770/d229977ds1.htm See Page 120 for their compensation, and page 19-22 are full of interesting tidbits on their potential to fail. When this IPO happens, they are going to cash out. Again I am thrilled that they install solar, as most companies who defraud tax payers don't provide any benefit at all. They are doing this with our tax dollars which were supposed to help a growing industry, pretty disappointing to see foreign venture capitalists manipulating the system and taking millions from American taxpayers.
Kurt Johnsen
Kurt Johnsen
October 16, 2012
I am a solar contractor in Florida where we have no state incentives. I can install residential systems with US manufactured components for $4.00 / watt. So the federal government is paying $1.20 /watt for each watt I install. If Solar City is charging $10 / watt we the taxpayers are paying $3.00 /watt. Our tax dollars could go two and a half times as far in promoting solar if these crooks were not allowed to pull this baloney.
Peter Bradshaw
Peter Bradshaw
October 16, 2012
I am puzzled a little by your numbers. I purchased a 3kW (nominal, as in 15 200W panels) system from SolarCity in 2008, and paid about $17,000 after CA state rebate. That seems a lot less than $9.98/W, which would be about $30,000. I would not think that the Silicon Valley/PG&E costs would be that much less than SCEdison costs.
Will Wilkin
Will Wilkin
October 16, 2012
It is wrong indeed to claim a tax credit for a higher cost than is real. I don't see this as an attack on solar at all, it is an attempt to keep the incentive system fair and honest. I hope REW will keep an eye on this and keep reporting as it unfolds.
Cliff Claven
Cliff Claven
October 16, 2012
Why did Dillinger rob banks? Because that's where the money is. Why do solar installers fleece the government? Because that's where the trough of free taxpayer money is. The only way to stop this type of fraud, waste, and abuse across all industries is to stop Congress from handing out taxpayer money to buy votes. And since they are a criminal class themselves, the only way to stop Congress is to shut off the inflowing pipeline of taxes and federal reserve money printing. In a market free of subsidies and tax gimmicks, pricing fixes itself.
Louis Shaffer
Louis Shaffer
October 16, 2012
This seems worth looking into, but I disagree that leasing keeps prices artificially high. Leasing allows people to go into solar with low or no money down. In essence, the leasing companies do the work, take the risks, but then get the benefit of the difference in pricing. If energy prices are going up and solar going down, then the leasing company should rightly take the difference.

One of the best things the US has contributed to renewables has been innovations in how to finance them. The fact that the costs are higher in the US than other places has much more to do with the adminstrative and electrical costs. The best thing to do now is agree on a common code / standards for all sized installations across all states. There should also be an agreement that Utilities MUST take renewable power onto the grid unless they can show a true hardship. This is what Germany did and why their market took off more than any other country.
Robert Hilbun
Robert Hilbun
October 16, 2012
As much as I dislike leasing. And I'm sure Ol Solar City is making some loot. Why can't the government just bring in a few third party appraisers. And set the price from some logical price point. For the everyday family or store to install solar and somebody who financed, installed, warranted work and roof and only made $10 extra million since 2008 on litterly 1000s of clean energy installs, I would need more info on what they are warranting and for how long to even be able to tell if they are ripping the gov off?
Delroy Leslie
Delroy Leslie
October 15, 2012
This is similar to auto leasing during the 1980s & 90s when the buyer sees the monthly payment and not the selling price of the automobile.

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