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Testing the Waters: Gaining Public Support for Offshore Wind

Ysabel Yates, Contributor
October 16, 2012  |  34 Comments

The coastlines of the U.S. are brimming with potential for offshore wind development, yet every turbine is on land. Why isn't this coastal goldmine of clean energy and jobs being tapped? According to a new study, the impediment isn't technological, it's social.

Offshore wind would be a major boost to an already robust industry. U.S. coastlines are highly populated and windier than their land counterparts. There are also no technological barriers to offshore wind; it has been a reality in Europe for years.

While public acceptance isn’t the only hurdle facing U.S. offshore wind power (policy and permits also contribute), public opposition can delay, or even derail, a planned project.

In a recent study at the University of Delaware, researchers mapped public perceptions of offshore wind projects in order to uncover the factors that make — or break — public support.

The research, which is ongoing, involves polling residents in two areas with proposed offshore wind projects, Cape Wind off Massachusetts and Bluewater Wind off Delaware.

“The public works both ways. In Delaware, they helped the project move forward. In Cape Cod, they’ve slowed the flow of the project down,” says Jeremy Firestone, principal investigator of the project.

Influencing Factors

The biggest factor to influence people’s decisions about offshore wind power negatively, the researchers found, was perceived harm to recreational boating.

However, offshore wind turbine projects won’t prevent people from boating, says Firestone. “It’s obviously going to affect your view and, in that regard, the experience. But people can still boat.”

On the other hand, people can get behind the pricing of offshore wind, since electricity prices can be locked in for a long period.

“A lot of people value price stability, and that’s one of the things they like about wind turbines,” says Firestone. “Businesses and people can do a lot better budgeting with stable prices.”

The environmental component is also critical, since wind power also decreases costs to society.

“One of the things that gets lost in a lot of the price discussion,” says Firestone, “is that a lot of the cost to society is not included in the price that we pay for electricity.”

He cites coal as an example. “There is a lot of environmental harm created through the mining and burning of coal, and large health impacts. These are not priced in the market.”

Part of the Greater Good

The researchers were particularly surprised by participants responses when asked if they would be more or less likely to support a project if it was the first of 300 such projects. The majority of opposed or undecided residents were more likely to support a project if it was part of a greater whole and likely to create an industry for offshore wind.

According to the study, this “overwhelming sentiment among survey respondents provides further reason to reject the knee-­jerk labeling of opponents as NIMBY [not in my backyard] — adding 300 more offshore wind facilities later would not reduce the local impacts at all.”

Says Firestone: “It’s a testament to the fact that the public is hungry for something bigger than themselves, and really would be behind an energy policy that was transformative.”

The study has been accepted by the Journal of Environmental Panning and Management, according to the authors.

This story was originally published on ecomagination and was republished with permission.

Lead image: Offshore wind via Shutterstock

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Chris Kapsambelis
Chris Kapsambelis
October 23, 2012
Responding to # 32:

We already know how to accommodate renewable energy. It is called bulk energy storage which is expensive and exists in limited quantities. The wind industry has convinced our policymakers that we can proceed regardless. Hence, the need for state mandates to force its sale at added cost.
To replace a nuclear power plant with wind, you need a wind farm with three times the capacity of the nuclear plant and a natural gas plant of equal capacity to the nuclear plant. As for avoiding CO2, in most cases replacing the nuclear plant with Natural gas alone will avoid the same amount CO2 without the extra cost of wind.
Dr. A. Cannara
Dr. A. Cannara
October 23, 2012
Bill, what "name" did I call you?
ANONYMOUS
October 23, 2012
Chris writes in comment #17: "Given the very low Capacity Value (CV) of wind, the forced integration of wind energy onto the grid can only be viewed as an added cost to the system."

This is somewhat overstated. The variability of wind is an issue and it is an open question how much generation we can get from wind before system stability becomes a major issue. However, the same could be said of solar PV. Energy demand has significant variability so some standby capacity is always needed. Wind generation can also be readily curtailed so it has some flexibility not exhibited by sources such as nuclear power (which I also support). If we are going to move toward an energy infrastructure that does not dangerously increase atmospheric CO2 levels we are going to have to learn to accommodate variable generation sources.
Steven
William Fitch
William Fitch
October 23, 2012
Hi: You were not just calling me names now were you..... after all, "#21,Don't you know that calling names shows you have no argument or integrity?"

.....Bill
Dr. A. Cannara
Dr. A. Cannara
October 22, 2012
William, really?

" Nuclear power uses the deadliest materials known to man," -- ever seen what Ricin, Agent Orange, or all the stuff still at Bhopal can do?

"Nuclear power has in fact caused many deaths but do to the long "incubation times"," -- really? How do you know? What was the cause of each death you think happened? How did it get started?

Are you unhappy because no one has died from radiation at Fukushima? Are you unhappy that the Chernobyl thyroid-cancer survival rate was >95%.

All you demonstrate here is ignorance and willingness to lie to others. Yes, lie. Explain why you're not dead from having 4400Bq of Potassium40 emissions throughout each second of your body's life since conception. C'mon, William, you're a self-proclaimed truth seeker, eh?

Explain why the Radon you've inhaled for your life around rocks and concrete hasn't turned you cancerous, yet. C'mon, mate, show us some knowledge.
William Fitch
William Fitch
October 22, 2012
Hi: Again, no real money to be made on the opposition side. However those on the resource acquisition side have done everything known to man including starting wars for profit. So lets give it the Occam's razor test.

1. Nuclear power uses the deadliest materials known to man, the remains of which stay toxic forever and have been released into our environment and magically have not caused a single death., OR
2. Nuclear power has in fact caused many deaths but do to the long "incubation times", can hide behind plausible deniability and the obscurity of elapsed time.

Let the readers decide....

.....Bill
Dr. A. Cannara
Dr. A. Cannara
October 22, 2012
William, Caldicott's book 'passes the litmus test regarding Nuclear power, where as our current reality doesn't', Really? Again, she's never been a nuclear scientist, or engineer, or scientist or engineer or economist of any kind. She's a physician. She's specifically avoided correcting any errors in her information that's been disseminated to the unsuspecting from her activities & PSR website. If this is 'passing a litmus test', then it certainly fits with good propagandizing. because it's fooled you. The real scientists at other organization, such as UCS, do not step into her clique of disservice to us all. Caldicott, for example, fully avoids any unbiased assessments of civilian nuclear, such as the 1998 Swiss study of all power systems: http colonslashslash manhaz dot cyf dot gov dot pl/manhaz/szkola/materials/S3/psi_materials/ENSAD98 dot pdf Or certainly, more recent studies... www dot forbes dot com/sites/jamesconca/2012/06/10/energys-deathprint-a-price-always-paid/ So, if you wish to believe a charlatan, no one can stop you. But, others here don't deserve the misinformation Caldicott spreads, without even the responsibility to correct its errors.
Dr. A. Cannara
Dr. A. Cannara
October 22, 2012
William, Caldicott's book "passes the litmus test regarding Nuclear power, where as our current reality doesn't", Really?

Again, she's never been a nuclear scientist, or engineer, or scientist or engineer or economist of any kind. She's a physician.

She's specifically avoided correcting any errors in her information that's been disseminated to the unsuspecting from her activities & PSR website.

If this is "passing a litmus test", then it certainly fits with good propagandizing. because it's fooled you. The real scientists at other organization, such as UCS, do not step into her clique disservice to us all.

Caldicott, for example, fully avoids any unbiased assessments of civilian nuclear, such as the 1998 Swiss study of all power systems:

http://manhaz.cyf.gov.pl/manhaz/szkola/materials/S3/psi_materials/ENSAD98.pdf

Or certainly, more recent studies...
www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2012/06/10/energys-deathprint-a-price-always-paid/

So, if you wish to believe a charlatan, no one can stop you. But, others here don't deserve the misinformation Caldicott spreads, without even the responsibility to correct its errors.
William Fitch
William Fitch
October 22, 2012
Hi: Right, Ok, problem is her book makes perfect sense... it passes the litmus test regarding Nuclear power, where as our current reality doesn't.. She has nothing to gain being against a resource development. No real money is made by not harvesting a resource comparing it to the money made by those that do. The same can be said for oil, coal, NG, etc.. RE is benign to the world. One does not need an excuse for why they are involved in it. The same can not be said for Nuclear or any of the conventionals at this point.

.....Bill
ANONYMOUS
October 21, 2012
anonymous16- Good comments. LCOE is the best metric we currently have for comparing renewable energy costs. The US DOE models I've seen that are used for commercial wind are quite detailed. They take into account every economic and environmental variable you can think of, including the variability of wind in different geographic locations at different times of the year.
Dr. A. Cannara
Dr. A. Cannara
October 21, 2012
William, glad you brought up Helen Caldicott's book, She's not a scientist or engineer but a doctor. Her group, Physicians for Social Responsibility is tiny and has shown little "responsibility" to correct any errors that they've promulgated.

Unlike the UCS, which is made up of scientists, and which is neutral on nuclear power, PSR is simply a religiously uninformed advocacy group, blindly against nuclear power.

One of their frequently promoted papers was discredited a few years back and they've never responded to correct or remove it from their site. "Responsibility"?

Caldicott simply exploits our freedom of speech, while failing even to live up to her physician's oath to "Do no harm".

I used to give them some $. After their promulgation of ignorant bias became evident, no more $. I just give UCS more.
;]
William Fitch
William Fitch
October 21, 2012
Hi: For those interested, I just finished reading, "Nuclear Power is not the Answer". A very good read. She goes into the nuke industry from beginning to end. Really flushes the bugs out of the cracks...
Wind and solar combined go a long way towards flattening out yearly production variances... RE is all about many solutions combined, not one or the other... that is really basic of course...

.....Bill
Dr. A. Cannara
Dr. A. Cannara
October 21, 2012
Good comment, Chris. The woman who heads Danish 'renewable' energy efforts was here earlier this year and she explained how they must keep ~300MW of generation (fossil/nuclear) from other sources/countries available on any given day, in case their wind forecast for the day is off by less than 1 m/s.

The Danes also want no more ugly, noisy onshore wind.
Dr. A. Cannara
Dr. A. Cannara
October 21, 2012
Gator baby: "Dr. Alex C, is a nuclear power troll who creeps about this site with the purpose of discrediting wind power."

Don't you know that calling names shows you have no argument or integrity?

As anyone can read here, I advocate: a) local solar PV/hot-water; b) EVs + efficient storage; and c) safe nuclear power.

The first is increasingly available, the 2nd is well on its way, and even present nuclear power is safer than any other form of generation...
http colon slash slash manhaz.cyf dot gov dot pl/manhaz/szkola/materials/S3/psi_materials/ENSAD98.pdf
http colon slash slash nextbigfuture dot com/2011/03/deaths-per-twh-by-energy-source dot html
www dot forbes dot com/sites/jamesconca/2012/06/10/energys-deathprint-a-price-always-paid/

All together, they mean no need for wasteful, subsidized windmills.

So, keep on trying, Gator. And we thought alligators had gumption, at least to use a real name.
;]
Call me, if you dare, Gator: 650-400-3071
Dr. A. Cannara
Dr. A. Cannara
October 21, 2012
Gator baby: "Dr. Alex C, is a nuclear power troll who creeps about this site with the purpose of discrediting wind power."

Don't you know that calling names shows you have no argument or integrity?

As anyone can read here, I advocate: a) local solar PV/hot-water; b) EVs + efficient storage; and c) safe nuclear power.

The first is increasingly available, the 2nd is well on its way, and even present nuclear power is safer than any other form of generation...
http://manhaz.cyf.gov.pl/manhaz/szkola/materials/S3/psi_materials/ENSAD98.pdf
http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/03/deaths-per-twh-by-energy-source.html
www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2012/06/10/energys-deathprint-a-price-always-paid/

All together, they mean no need for wasteful, subsidized windmills.

So, keep on trying, Gator. And we thought alligators had gumption, at least to use a real name.
;]
Call me, if you dare, Gator: 650-400-3071
Dr. A. Cannara
Dr. A. Cannara
October 21, 2012
Gator baby: "Dr. Alex C, is a nuclear power troll who creeps about this site with the purpose of discrediting wind power."

Don't you know that calling names shows you have no argument or integrity?

As anyone can read here, I advocate: a) local solar PV/hot-water; b) EVs + efficient storage; and c) safe nuclear power.

The first is increasingly available, the 2nd is well on its way, and even present nuclear power is safer than any other form of generation...
http://tinyurl.com/42wvr9l
http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/03/deaths-per-twh-by-energy-source.html
www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2012/06/10/energys-deathprint-a-price-always-paid/

All together, they mean no need for wasteful, subsidized windmills.

So, keep on trying, Gator. And we thought alligators had gumption, at least to use a real name.
;]
Call me, if you dare, Gator: 650-400-3071
Allen Gerhardt
Allen Gerhardt
October 21, 2012
Dr. Alex C, is a nuclear power troll who creeps about this site with the purpose of discrediting wind power. Pay no attention to the false comparisons, false numbers or false claims. I expect his "doctor" title is about as legitimate as Dr. Phill's.
Chris Kapsambelis
Chris Kapsambelis
October 20, 2012
The use of LCOE to compare costs ignores the dynamics of wind power integration onto the power grid. A major element in the calculation of LCOE is the Capacity Factor (CF) of any given generating power source. When wind power is forced onto the grid, existing conventional power must be reduced, thereby lowering their CF to accommodate the intermittent nature of wind. A forced lower CF for conventional power increases the LCOE because their fixed cost must be spread over a smaller amount of generated energy.

Given the very low Capacity Value (CV) of wind, the forced integration of wind energy onto the grid can only be viewed as an added cost to the system. The reason for that is that no matter how much wind energy is added, little to no conventional power capacity can be retired.
ANONYMOUS
October 20, 2012
The EIA, among many organizations, compiles estimates of the levelized cost of energy (LCOE) for various generation schemes. Their latest values are found here:
http://www.eia.gov/oiaf/aeo/electricity_generation.html
and show solar PV to be over a factor of two more expensive than wind. (The table also shows offshore wind to be much more expensive than onshore wind.)

"DrAlexC" makes many unsubstantiated claims related to the ability of solar PV to completely replace wind generation. After dark there really is no contest unless you want to pay for hugely expensive storage in addition to the cost premium already documented by the EIA for generation without storage. Storage at least gets one past the short-time-scale variability, but solar has a very strong seasonal variability--much more so than wind does--and that isn't easily addressed unless you want to have a huge excess of capacity in the Spring and Summer so that you can meet the Winter demand (this might triple the cost) or store energy as a chemical fuel, which involves high conversion costs and the need for additional generation infrastructure. The notion that solar PV would be capable of pushing wind out of the marketplace does not stand up to scrutiny.
Steven
Dr. A. Cannara
Dr. A. Cannara
October 20, 2012
Dojo, what you suggest is common sense, and is partly done every day in many places, particularly Calif... www.caiso.com/outlook/SystemStatus.html And, the minimal costs can be derived from data sheets, as from Siemens, which explain what 700 tons of coal, iron ore, limestone, rock, etc. have to be mined & processed per MW of peak wind install. To get the real costs on top of that, one has to determine the points of origin and final destination for all the materials, etc., as well as the environmental & maintenance costs, which include new transmission/conversion/control systems, access roads, land-use conversion, noise abatement, insurance liabilities, and even the cost of missed generation from slow/fast winds, power lost in idling/transmission/conversion, ISO management changes and expenses, etc. The latter costs are among those hidden by the wind promoters, but subsidized by the rest of us. Bottom line, with local solar PV, no windmills will ever be needed. By the way, there seem few who agree on how to spell "regatta"... www.regatadelsolalsol.org/
Doug Jones
Doug Jones
October 19, 2012
So here's an exercise for an energetic soul to help stop the unsubstantiated opinions and the bickering. Do a comparison of the cost of building a 1.5MW (or whatever) wind turbine v. a comparably cost-out solar array. Then track the output over the course of a year. Use Middlegrunden wind and W&L solar, or any other wind and solar farms that publish historical data. Compare and contrast. Proof is in the numbers.
ANONYMOUS
October 19, 2012
DrAlexC, I'm a believer in the free-market economy and I don't like to see federal taxpayers forced to subsidize any form of power production. But I have no problem with state governments funding basic research in wind or solar technology. I would also disagree with your proposition that solar is more "efficient" than wind. There is no current method of solar power production that can compete with commercial wind on an LCOE basis.

As for wind being "variable", it is variable in the same sense that solar is variable. For example, over any 24 hour period the power produced by a PV solar cell can vary from 0% to 100%. While solar conditions are more predictable over time than wind conditions, you must also consider that wind power production does not stop when the sun sets.
Doug Jones
Doug Jones
October 19, 2012
No offense to DrAlexC, but as much as I enjoyed his 'passing sweetly into the light...' comment to Mr. Shepard's post, a correction to the correction is in order. The Regata is a Fiat, whereas a regatta is the event to which Mr. Shepard's magical thinking so creatively referred. Not that it has relevance to this thread. I'm just saying.
Dr. A. Cannara
Dr. A. Cannara
October 18, 2012
Shafflo, just FYI, not everyone thinks a 300ft prop atop a 200ft tower, generating 50db noise puffs as each blade passes from about 2 o'clock to 4 o'clock, is just "spoiling the view,".

In Calif. our threatened Golden Eagles, for example, are found dead under our many windmills. And broken blades are also found underneath as well. And, surprisingly many windmills aren't "synchronized" -- too many are simply out of service.

But, the land and unnecessary roads and transmission lines remain, with no de-commissioning bonds established.

So, the basic question for anyone considering the environment is why wind? It's nature is inefficient and variable, with far more land demands than anything elese -- especially conpared to local solar's 0 land consumption and higher efficiency.

So this wind fetish is very mysterious. Almost as if the sometimes turning blades have hypnotized its supporters so they don't do honest comparisons.
;]
Dr. A. Cannara
Dr. A. Cannara
October 18, 2012
"Wind power is a big business" -- exactly. A big, subsidized, inefficient, confiscatorial 'business' that hides its true accounting from view.

Sort of like how Texas cities like Dallas used water rights to grab small communities all around it for annexation & taxation.

There are, believe it or not, some Texas ranchers that care about their lands' heritage, and see windmills & promoters for there absurd, unnecessary waste.

It's so odd that Texas, of all the self-proclaiming 'independent' societies, would choose the impositions on others' rights that wind 'farms' require.
Erik Kiehle
Erik Kiehle
October 18, 2012
"I have looked at the economic, environmental and social implications of placing large machines with supporting infrastructure in sensitive areas of the environment, near homes and in our precious open spaces."

I'm in Abilene, TX. We have HOURS AND HOURS driving time in all directions of "precious open spaces". Miles and miles of rural scrub lands not getting much if any activity. Some grazing, but lots of herds got sold off in the 2011 drought so lots and lots of open windy land. Wind power is a big business out here and we're happy for it.

The social, environmental, and land impacts are all POSITIVE here for wind. It brings jobs, increased tax base to the counties, and electricity we need. There's insufficient water for the once-upon-a-time planned coal-fired generation plant they wanted to build. But we can throw up many, many more wind turbines! Come on out and play in TX! Sorry, you'll have to leave your sailboat unless you want to sail one of our little puddles we call lakes out here.
Louis Shaffer
Louis Shaffer
October 18, 2012
I don't agree with the opinion that these will be explotation of the environment - quite the opposite. I know from experience that people complain a lot about wind towers "spoiling the view," but once they have been up awhile they actually like them. They are beautiful objects with syncronized movements. I don't think on a windy day you can even hear them unless you are pretty close.
Charles Rop
Charles Rop
October 18, 2012
This essay is simple minded. My reasons for strongly opposing off-shore and on-shore industrial wind machines are complicated and I like to think sophisticated. I have looked at the economic, environmental and social implications of placing large machines with supporting infrastructure in sensitive areas of the environment, near homes and in our precious open spaces. Aside from these issues, I sail for peace, quiet and to get away from the clutter of our industrial complex. So I see large wind machines as industrial exploitation of our natural environment. These projects are only bred in hubris and greed and thus represent bad stewardship. What we do need is much smarter and truly green alternative sources of energy. It is time to think more critically about energy solutions.
Louis Shaffer
Louis Shaffer
October 18, 2012
I agree that offshore is still expensive for various reasons and it also involves some pretty new technology (example new designed larger turbines). Like all renewables, the costs will drop significantly as the experience level and volumes grow. This is in contrast to almost all other energy forms where costs just keep going up!

We have to decide where to invest and how to get costs down. Eventually offshore will provide a very stable and low cost electricity generation in the East coast (high populations centers). Still, I agree that our first priority should continue to be onshore and renew the tax credits that expire end of this year.

By the way - peak demand will change when we go in volume to electric cars. A lot of charging will happen at night and we will have smart electricity meaning you pay by when you buy.
ANONYMOUS
October 17, 2012
Anonymous1,

You are spot-on. The reason there is zero offshore commercial wind in the US is entirely due to LCOE, and has nothing to do with aesthetics, boating or fishing. The capital costs for offshore wind are easily 50% higher than for onshore, plus there are much higher O&M costs. The better wind conditions offshore do not come close to making up for these cost deficits versus onshore installations.

And this situation is not limited to the US. The global market for offshore commercial wind products is still only a small fraction of the total. Commercial wind is a business, and those with money at stake likely don't care about "public perception". They only care about things like risk, return on investment, market stability, etc. This why we need to get politics, and the unpredictability it creates, out of the wind energy market. Once that happens, the commercial wind market will stabilize and ultimately prosper.
ANONYMOUS
October 17, 2012
"DrAlexC" writes in comment #3:
"Since local solar PV can meet all peak daytime needs for the US (and world) using only part of the human structures now covering >2% of earth, wind is irrelevant, as well as wasteful"

Peak power needs in some parts of the world occur during Winter nights and this will be increasingly true as we transition from the use of fossil fuels for heating. Even where demand peaks during the day, most people want electricity 24 hrs a day. Furthermore, solar PV has a very pronounced seasonal variability. The notion that solar PV is going to make wind power outmoded is highly dubious.
Steven
Dr. A. Cannara
Dr. A. Cannara
October 17, 2012
Now I've heard everything and can pass sweetly into the light... 'Off Shore Wind Power can benefit both Sailing and Fishing by providing both obstacles to sail around in a rigata' Of course, time learning to spell Regata might have bolstered this truly odd linguistic stretch. a) Since local solar PV can meet all peak daytime needs for the US (and world) using only part of the human structures now covering >2% of earth, wind is irrelevant, as well as wasteful. b) Transmission/conversion power is lost continually by any wind installation, because it must be remote from loads. c) Windmills require ~700 tons/
DAVID SHEPARD
DAVID SHEPARD
October 17, 2012
Off Shore Wind Power can benefit both Sailing and Fishing by providing both obstacles to sail around in a rigata and serve as artificial reefs to improove fishing and sea food production to feed the World ; while providing much needed electric power with no fuel cost . David A Shepard PO Box 385 Bristol , IN 46507
ANONYMOUS
October 16, 2012
The costs for offshore wind generation are much higher than for onshore generation. In Europe the push for offshore generation is coming mainly because most of the best sites for onshore turbines have already been utilized. In the U.S. we have plenty of excellent onshore sites available for development that would be much more cost effective than offshore sites. Even if there were no environmental or esthetic concerns with offshore wind, price performance would still seem to be a significant barrier. What can offshore wind provide that cannot be provided more efficiently by onshore wind?
Steven

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