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How Grid Parity (Among Other Fallacies) Almost Killed The Solar Industry...

...and why it will survive despite it.

Paula Mints, Navigant Consulting
October 12, 2012  |  43 Comments

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The photovoltaic industry is currently in a state of extreme contraction brought about by overbuilding, which was brought about by the belief that the feed-in tariff incentive model would continue expanding from region to region and which was exacerbated by decades of fighting for profits and incentives in a world that largely considered the PV industry either a science experiment or the lifestyle choice of hippies. The current infighting has made enemies of colleagues. Artificially low prices have encouraged governments to believe that enough progress has been made, and that incentives are no longer required.

Since the beginning of photovoltaic industry time participants have had to fight for every incentive dollar.  The term "grid parity" has been used as almost a promissory note towards the end of achieving continued incentives.  That is, a promise was made by the solar industry and all of its participants that the cost/price of installing a PV system would decrease at an aggressive rate to the point that the electricity generated would be at parity with other electricity generating technologies. One of the assumptions used in this regard was that the cost/price of conventional energy would continue to rise. This assumption ignores the volatile pattern of pricing behavior for any good, while also assuming that the cost of manufacturing solar technology would follow a more or less smooth downward slope.

The promise of grid parity also ignores (or, at least looks the other way) the fact that during most of its incentive-driven history, the cost of manufacturing a solar panel and its selling price have been disconnected.  One reason for this disconnect between cost and price is that for most of its history there has not been significant pull (the term to describe when buyers pursue a product). The promise of grid parity and the goals that have been set up in its name also ignores the fact that at every point in the chain all participants must enjoy a margin comfortable enough to conduct R&D, pay employees, expand, develop products and, in short, conduct business in the global market place. The solar industry, in sum, has promised itself into a precarious state where margins are memories and company failure is accepted instead of mourned. 

Figure 1 offers a history of PV industry pricing and demand from 1975 through 2011.  Note that periods of strong demand and significant decreases in average technology prices have coincided with periods in which significant incentives were available. 

 

In 2009, at the height of the feed in tariff era, the average selling price (ASP) for PV modules decreased by 33% over the previous year, from an ASP of $3.25/Wp in 2008 to an ASP of $2.18/Wp.  The price of cells decreased 61% from $3.20/Wp in 2008 to $1.26/Wp in 2009.  Though a one year decrease in prices of >30% for modules and 61% for cells cannot be considered normal progress, and though this price correction was driven almost entirely by aggressive pricing, it was proclaimed a great achievement and absolute proof of progress.  This progress has continued through to the current period, Q4 2012, and is continuing to drive technology manufacturers into bankruptcy.  If this is progress, a healthy period of stagnation would be preferred. 

Grid parity is a concept with many definitions.  Grid parity is also a marketing term and is an unhealthy goal as it pits solar in a battle for energy share with conventional energy, which will continue to enjoy healthy subsidies.  Prices are currently held down by high levels of inventory (which is being resold) and the expectation of low prices springing primarily from rumor.  Figure 2 offers prices from 2011 through Q4 2012. 

Despite it All, Solar Will Survive

The solar industry, and all of its technologies including CSP and CPV, is currently facing challenges and this painful period will continue for some time to come.  The current contraction is complicated by a trade dispute in the U.S. and discussions of a trade dispute in the European Union. A slowing global economy complicates recovery for an industry that needs significant investment on the manufacturing and installation sides of the solar value chain. Decreasing incentives are further straining margins and the new incentive paradigm, PPA and tender bidding, does not support the true value of solar.  Business models, including the US lease model, need maturing.

It is a good thing that a) innovation thrives in times of hardship and b) the solar industry has significant experience with hardship.  Over its ~40 year history, industry participants have continued to innovate — through technology development, system design and balance of systems improvements — all the while fighting governments for continued incentives and a complacent energy buying public.  Moving forward, technology innovation will continue. Right now it is crucial to develop business models that allow for healthy margins and provide value to customers. Along with business model development an educational effort must be undertaken by the industry. Energy buyers need to learn the details about the subsidies that conventional energy continues to enjoy so that they can make clear choices based on facts. Forget LCOE for a while and focus on data — facts — about the true, unsubsidized cost of conventional energy and yes, nuclear.

True facts about costs are important and so is a solid effort to change the conversation from cheap to quality.  Solar does not have to be the cheapest electricity choice. It needs to be recognized as a high quality, reliable, long lived energy technology.  Once a solar electric system is installed the fuel (sun) is free. 

Distributed generation (DG) solar — power at the point of need — involves individuals and communities in their energy future, offering all stakeholders energy independence. As storage technologies mature and become more economical the value that energy independence offers will be clear. 

Lead image: Profits in a vise via Shutterstock.

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Gerry Wootton
Gerry Wootton
October 18, 2012
Most Joes are willing to care more for the producer's profit than their own. They'll easilly buy that laws intended to protect their children's health are bad because they impact a complete stranger's pocket book. If one could calculate a true LCOE, and NREL has taken a good shot at that trick, it simply doesn't matter. In reality, control of the system does not belong to the people. Electricity prices continue to escalate above the rate of inflation. The industry and their political allies conveniently put that down to the cost of doing any thing they don't want to do and Joe goes along for the ride. If one is looking for enlightened government policy ... you won't get it. 'If you think their looking after you - you ain't even #2'.

Unfortunately, solar got caught in the cross fire between optimism and forces beyond their control. The solar industry foolishly assumed that they were doing a good thing that would automatically get people and governments on board, then naively assumed that the incumbents wouldn't strike back, using their connections and deep pockets to put a fork in everything. And then from left field, some financial industry criminals put an enormous dent in the economy, ably assisted by fiscally irresponsible governments. Economic depression is more than financial - optimism and innovation are beaten to death. Then politicians offer up the hoary old placebos of cut and slash and let's take a giant step back in time. The solar industry basically lived up to everything it said it would do with nary a melt-down, giant oil spill or exploding well to it's credit - oops, sorry, perhaps I digressed into a little greenwashing. It's always easy when things are going well to assume it's what you're doing - immature industries like solar often make that mistake. So, take the lumps, and move on. The sun's still shining.
Gerry Wootton
Gerry Wootton
October 18, 2012
Grid parity is a chimera and the definition is so off-point. It might mean the point where a method of energy production falls within the range of cost of production in a given market. But, as many discussions show, many take it to mean the point where it is the 'cheapest'. Although the comparison should be levelized cost of energy, for years it has been overnight cost of capacity - fail. Then for solar, that was based on an artificial measure of capacity: Wp @ STC. The cost of capacity of various possible types is highly contextual - not a one-size-fits-all answer, especially as electricity markets are neither global or free. When you run the numbers, terms of financing and time to market alone are potent factors making overnight capex meaningless. It took me a while to understand cost of capacity focus: utilities must invest in order to acquire capacity but can generally pass on operational costs to rate payers with regulators as willing accomplices. As a result, the concern is to minimze the utilities' exposure, NOT to minimize the LCOE or what the consumer ends up paying. This is an easy sell as Joe public relates it to the purchase of a finished good and, given typical credit histories, the ability to factor time into an equation is poor. As well, in order to get to LCOE, one has to consider NPVs and WACC, inflation, market fluctuation, and a host of other factors in relation to a lifetime just to get to LCOE for the producer, not the consumer or the economy as a whole - that would involve complex externalities. Even quite sophisticated LCOE models stop part way. Not only is the comparison busted but it is irrelevant. When evaluating a project, calculate the IRR and compare to industry performance. Impact on the public and the economy is not relevant to the business proposition. A lot of Joes are good with that.
Bob Wallace
Bob Wallace
October 17, 2012
I understand that finding a little blip in the downward curve gives you a tingly feeling in your leg.

Consider the fact that at some point later in time PV prices would have likely fallen on their own enough so that surplus silicon processing capacity would have been exceeded and prices would have risen until more capacity came on line.

Solar and wind did not cause Spain's financial problems. Their problems were cause by the same factors as the US recession. Lack of adequate regulations for financial institutions and a runaway housing bubble.

Germans will be surprised to hear that the sun rarely shines there. It's going to make them wonder why their solar panels are working so well in lowering their cost of electricity and allowing them to sell power to France when France's nuclear plants can't keep up with demand.

Germans see an average of just over 1500 hours of sunshine per year. That's a 17% capacity. About what New Jersey gets and NJ is installing a lot of solar.
Eric Husman
Eric Husman
October 17, 2012
"My argument is that, overall, subsidies have created low priced solar panels."

Again, look at the data: costs were already headed lower. The subsidies caused a temporary increase, followed by a return to the downward trend. Say it with me: "The costs were already headed lower."

'Solar companies are not competing "against each other."'

Every time we win a contract, I am fairly certain that another company failed to win. It feels like competition. Otherwise, I am mostly in agreement with this comment.

"The problem with solar oversupply was due to manufacturers overestimating future growth, big time, they have no one to blame but themselves ..."

Well, that and the fact that countries like Spain suddenly pulled up short because they were going bankrupt. That's one problem with subsidizing the purchase of these things: a sudden shift in policy shows that the growth was not very organic. It's amazing that we think that the people running these companies are raving idiots while we are relying on them to pull off incredible feats of technology and finance.

Another problem with depending on policy is the disconnect between installed and generated energy: drive around Germany and notice -- aside from the fact that THE SUN RARELY SHINES THERE -- that panels are pointed every which way. I remember one street where everyone had them on the front side of their roof ... on both sides of the street. Some of them may have had it right, but no way that they all did. Germany may have installed 28 GW of panels, but there's no way they're getting that much out of them; I have read that their capacity factor is ~9.5%. How can they afford it? That's what happens when your FIT is way too generous: your allocative efficiency takes a dive and people aren't really concerned about operational efficiency if they don't have any skin in the game. But don't let little things like that ruin your devotion to mood affiliation.
John Schaefer
John Schaefer
October 17, 2012
Ms Mints' article, apart from occasional grammatical shortcomings, presents the basic facts that can't be contested. The extreme loss of profitability is a common phenomenon in growing industries, and suggests an opportunity for raiders who seek to purchase production at bargain prices. The Chinese are doing that successfully.

In looking just at parity, she fails to note two crucial factors that will determine if raiders can succeed financially: Whether society (operating through governments) insist that fossil fuels pay the cost of damage they cause, and whether silicon continues to be the material of choice.
Dharmappa Barki
Dharmappa Barki
October 17, 2012
After posting my comments, I revisited other readers' comments at random to read the unread ones. Forrest Jones' comments of 14th Oct are excellent in the sense that he sums up clear focus for the solar technology as an energy option (Or is it because his tone mathes with that of mine, I am liking it? Whatever). If we do not look at in this direction and position solar option accordingly, all other debates are not going to bring any value addition. It will be like a dog chasing vehicles and not ever succeeding in catching one! Even if it catches, say, what is that the dog is going to do with the vehicle? Irrational debate is a no debate - it will turn out to be an argument.

I really enjoyed reading all the comments and getting benefited. The discussion really shows the intensity and depth of the matter churned out through this article. Thanks Paula Mints. I wish to repeat the concluding sentence from Forrest Jones comments: 'Lets' get back on board and "re-phrase" the goal as being "best in all categories," not just economic grid parity'.
Dharmappa Barki
Dharmappa Barki
October 17, 2012
This is getting interesting! Excerpts from my earlier postings, as I find them ftting here: Subsidy and solar have been tagged 'together' for long! So much so that (Indian) public cannot seem to think of solar without subsidy! In fact, the moment people hear or read about solar the first question they ask is about subsidy! It's time they separate now. The more they delay their separation the more damage is going to be inflicted on solar technology. Solar PV has been pampered much by Govts through subsidies. I personally believe that solar technology is matured enough to stand on its own strength than ever before. But there's a catch here! Solar PV is a clean technology and is a capex model as compared to conventional energy options. Tariff parity incentives should be continued, which is the way to compensate for the polluting and damaging (fossil fuel based) technologies. By now, it's clear that energy mix with RE technologies, esp solar PV, is a must for energy security. Solar PV technology is best suited as the 'complimenting' option than 'supplementing' the energy portfolio. As mentioned already, 'energy mix' is the answer. It should be viewed like a 'fruits basket' that has varieties of fruits, which is required for good health. Only one fruit will not make it a complete fruits basket. And, how can we compare the prices of a banana with that of an apple? What about the price of oranges compared to that of mangoes, the king of fruits? Mango might have earned the title of 'King of Fruits'. But would it provide the same nutrients as that of orange, or even banana? Similarly, all energy options (renewable, non renewable) have to be considered ingenuously to meet the energy demand of of the country/world. Neither we have the luxury of comparing the energy costs nor we are left with enough time to catch up with the depleting coal and oil reserves. Poor supply of energy hits economy. Energy from dirty sources hits ecology. Good energy mix will make good economics.
Bob Wallace
Bob Wallace
October 15, 2012
"Utilities cannot sell base load electric with only PV as their single source."

Straw man argument.
Russ Finley
Russ Finley
October 15, 2012
All this talk about the truth ...The author's credibility disappeared in a puff of smoke with her claim that nuclear receives more subsidies per unit energy produced.
ANONYMOUS
October 15, 2012
Utilities cannot sell base load electric with only PV as their single source. Small scale users can have 100% functionality with proper storage but of limited duration especially during severe weather or shortened winter days. An electric utility supplier cannot assume responsibility for 4 or 5 nine reliability without other generating means, (propane, natural gas or diesel fuels as examples). Without the 4 or 5 nines reliability businesses and governments cannot guarantee services. So I repeat my previous statement that until there is certainty in the market place, PV electric will be an afterthought and annoyance to utilities and of little impact.
Bob Wallace
Bob Wallace
October 15, 2012
Utilities are going to be "irritated" by receiving PV supply from end users, allowing them to avoid the cost of peaking power, and pay back with cheap off-peak electricity.

I suspect that is irritation they'll be willing to endure.
KENI WASHINGTON
KENI WASHINGTON
October 15, 2012
To Anonymous who proclaims "... Until there is technology which guarantees 100% uptime, PV will be an afterthought and an irritation on Utilities." We are already delivering PV with 100% uptime in the developing world. That's where they absolutely need power and are eager for authentic solutions, not a lot of arguments that do nothing but protect the technologically obsolete Fossil Fuel World Order. In the Developing World PV is already their first thought and they are throwing collapsing and predatory utilities off their backs. Thank goodness.
ANONYMOUS
October 15, 2012
I hate to be a naysayer but after reading the comments one BIG item continually missing is base line costs of reserve generation or peaking whichever the case may be. It's impossible currently to build a standalone PV System if your request is 100% functionality. Thus the underlying problem of parity, the cost associated with the Peaking or Reserve capacity is never taken into account in determining the PV delivered cost per KWH. Until there is technology which guarantees 100% uptime, PV will be an afterthought and an irritation on Utilities.
Gary Richardson
Gary Richardson
October 15, 2012
However, I also like extremely cheap panels such as Nanosolar's utility panels which pay themselves off much faster than the rest of the competition. Too bad they aren't sold to the public yet...
Gary Richardson
Gary Richardson
October 15, 2012
I feel that the utilities are racing to eliminate all debts on their books and have cash reserves handy to capitalize on opportunities that may pop up. Similar to how Apple, Google, Amazon.com, and other Tech companies have positioned themselves. With such a low financial expense footprint, it allows them to stay competitive over those who try to get agressive. With cash on hand to pay off an investment, the risk is much lower. Also, an investment into solar panels with a higher resale value due to durability, high efficiency or Kw/h yield per sq.ft., and longer lifetimes (higher quality) seems to be the better way to go.
Daniel Ferra
Daniel Ferra
October 15, 2012
Japan will pay residents 52 cents per kilowatt hour, here in California they will pay us 4 cents per kilowatt hour, want to change our Feed in Tariff ? Campaign to allow Californian residents to sell electricity obtained by renewable energy for a fair market price. Will you read, sign, and share this petition ? Go to facebook, Daniel Ferra, Palm Springs Ca. to read petition, thank you. http://signon.org/sign/let-california-home-owners
KENI WASHINGTON
KENI WASHINGTON
October 14, 2012
Solar companies are not competing "against each other." There is no oversupply of photovoltaic panels anywhere on Earth as long as there is a demand for electrical power that exceeds the number of PV modules available. Solar is completely portable and scalable. It can be shipped anywhere globally. So not getting a contract to supply 100 kilowatts power in Indiana, Brazil or Germany is not evidence of an "oversupply" as long as at the very same time coal and gas-fired utilities are newly installing 500 kilowatts of grid. Thus, our competition is the Fossil Fuel World Order. That is who is fighting us now and will fight us to the finish. The finish: The last Arctic ice sheet has melted or the last human lung is contaminated beyond repair with carbon and mercury?

If we truly believe, based on empirical data that solar power is superior both technologically and for the well being of this planet, then we need to stop pulling our punches when addressing the real challenge to the growth and profitability of solar. Yes, solar companies are tanking. Yet, fossil fuel and nuclear would be properly nose-diving were it not for powerful and well-compensated political patrons – mostly in America -- that keep these long obsolete energy paradigms entrenched and draining the life blood from energy economies and ecosystems around the world.
reece marfitt
reece marfitt
October 14, 2012
to rm

i pretty sure solar panels themselves per watt have halved in cost ever 2 years like clockwork.
Bob Wallace
Bob Wallace
October 14, 2012
"Bob - I'm not sure what your argument is. The subsidies did not bring about the low prices."

My argument is that, overall, subsidies have created low priced solar panels. Yes, there have been rough spots when demand driven by subsidized lower prices have stressed supply and times when over supply has been created. But overall subsidies have taken solar from >$10/watt to <$1/watt.

Right now we have a panel supply glut. Very low panel prices have made us look at BOS costs and concentrate on bringing them down. BOS costs are coming down, installed solar is happening for less than $3/watt.

As awareness of lower system prices spreads we will almost certainly see a very large uptick in installations, world wide. We'll use up the oversupply of panels and increase our output.

I'm not very interested in the short term glitches in supply and demand. I'm interested in seeing massive amounts of installed solar replacing fossil fuel usage. And subsidies are the tool that took us from 'too expensive' to 'nice and affordable'.

Solar and wind subsidies have produced an incredible return for our invested tax dollars. Wind costs have fallen 6x in the last 30 years, solar costs have fallen 50x.

For 100 years we have been subsidizing fossil fuels and their prices keep going up.
Bob Wallace
Bob Wallace
October 14, 2012
The futures market thinks that natural gas prices are going up. As does the EIA.

Remember, current low prices are due to a supply glut created by a drilling boom. Major money rushed into drilling. Prices fell to the point that a new well would not pay for the cost of drilling and most of the drilling rigs left for oil fields.

We'll burn through the current supply, leaving wind the low cost provider and making solar more competitive during midday hours.
John Ihle
John Ihle
October 14, 2012
The problem with solar oversupply was due to manufacturers overestimating future growth, big time, they have no one to blame but themselves and grid parity is not a misguided goal.

Nat Gas has decreased and is being used more and more. But it's volatile. In my region ISO pricing governs the wholesale market and real time wholesale pricing is low and averaging about 34 bucks/mwhr. But, for captured ratepayers at "my" utility, this benefit isn't being transferred because of existing mainly coal assets. Our wholesale pricing, despite the low ISO price, is about 65 to 75 bucks/mwhr depending upon the season and electricity rates are jumping 12 or 13% next year.

One of the problems with rates is the utility industry and that they are doing everything in their power to convolute energy policy in order to maintain control and these are complicated issues. This includes not paying DG and clean energy for the benefits it brings to the grid and there are many.

When policy makers fully realize those benefits that accrue to local economies through clean energy development then grid parity is easily acheived, provided quantifiable benefits are put into the rate structure. However, good luck at fighting the utility industry who is extremely well funded and don't want to give up market share and they're good a confounding issues. They're in the business, primarily, of selling kwhrs and they have assets out there that aren't paid for. And they have shareholders they are accountable to.

I need to qualify the above statement because it is not all utilities in all regions/states as some have made good with respect to implementing solid policy but alot more needs to be done, regardless.

I think most ratepayers want cheap energy, but many also want clean energy that bring localized opportunties and it is a matter of time when grid parity is reached.
reece marfitt
reece marfitt
October 14, 2012
grid parity is entirly dependant on where you are. solar has grown %840 in the uk over the last year even though subsidies have been cut and even extended to gas producers.

it's mainly because we pay around $0.2/kwh for domestic electricity and just this week the price has gone up again by an inflation busting $8. it's enertia from the capex spent on the older power plants thats driving the price up as efficency gains have lowered demand below their expectation.

this cycle is self reinforcing as renewables hit the market creating extra capacity as demand falls due to efficiency gains. the utilities have no choice but to raise prices which further lowers demand for their services and drives demand in roof top domestic panels.

this is pretty much everywhere but in the US where electricity is relativly cheap and systems are artificially expensive.
Eric Husman
Eric Husman
October 14, 2012
Bob - I'm not sure what your argument is. The subsidies did not bring about the low prices. As you can note from the charts above, prices were already headed lower. The subsidies caused a temporary price increase (because they brought forth demand in excess of what supply was available) and the prices are just now getting to where they would have been 18 months ago had there been no temporary bubble. The difference between what is and what might have been is twofold: there are more PV installations than there would have been (a mixed blessing), and there is now an unabsorbed overcapacity that is being solved with consolidation, plant closings, layoffs, and keeping private investors on the sidelines. I think these unfortunate side-effects could have been avoided. YMMV.
Forrest Jones
Forrest Jones
October 14, 2012
Everyone will agree that Grid Parity is a moving target. One of the current problems with now achiving Grid Parity is that the price of Natural Gas has decreased. In turn, the Utilities have started producing more electricity at a lower price. Thereby making the goal more distant. Five basic thoughts that have not been covered yet regarding Grid Parity: 1) No single form of Energy Generation is going to solve all of our needs, and 2) Grid parity does not look at the ecological benefits, only the economic benefits, 3) Current PV designs and production is not taking advantage of the BIPV potentials of the module actually becoming the windows, roofing, canopies, etc., instead of just attaching over an existing building material, 4)governments' tools for steering industries and users are: Caps (taxes), Incentives, 5) the financial side of any investment has to be profitable or it can not continue. With this being said, we have to analyze the wave that we are about to ride and take our best guess as to where it will lead. I believe that incentives (subsidies) were well intentioned, but clearly, American tax subsidies should have gone to purchasing American-made modules. Lets' get back on board and "re-phrase" the goal as being "best in all categories," not just economic grid parity.
James Tyson
James Tyson
October 13, 2012
There is a lot of inaccurate talk about grid parity. If you want to do the calculations yourself for a given site, go to http://www.cjsolarplanning.com/gridparity.htm . If you want to read an article explaining how to do the calculations,go to https://homepower.com/articles/solargrid-parity.

Grid parity will vary from site to site, but it is clear that in some states where the cost of electricity is high, grid parity has already arrived.
LES NELSON
LES NELSON
October 13, 2012
Grid parity is an important goal, one which has been achieved already in certain markets, arguably. Regardless of whether it has, or not, the need for an installing contractor to sit down across the kitchen or boardroom table and finalize a home or business improvement contract for the installation of a system will always be there, unless the system is leased with a third party owner arrangement, with no money down. However, this business model is dependent on federal and/or state incentives. Without them, going back to the kitchen or boardroom table is inevitable, at least for distributed residential or small commercial systems. Grid parity is an important achievement, but numerous other technologies already enjoy this status but still must be aggressively sold to end users to ensure an ongoing business model.
Bob Wallace
Bob Wallace
October 13, 2012
More likely solar and wind with battery storage for the non-windy, dark times.

Fuel cells are too inefficient.
Richard McIver
Richard McIver
October 13, 2012
Solar Moore's Law of every 5 years solar PV is half the cost with financing from LED, LED t.v., OLED t.v., lasers, and computer chips driving the technology. Do the math from $10,000/watt in 1950 to today. Two, three, and more junction technology with Indium/Gallium Nitrides (very good solar characteristics) will be the future with low prices for solar and fuel cells for night time.
Bob Wallace
Bob Wallace
October 13, 2012
I've lost track of what the argument is.

Is it that we should have not subsidized the solar panel industry and brought the price to incredibly low levels over a short time period because there were demand/supply glitches along the way?
Eric Husman
Eric Husman
October 13, 2012
Correct. And the rise in demand was driven by the subsidies, as you already conceded. Silicon manufacturers cannot simultaneously be efficient producers and have lots of unused capacity running idle. Thus, there was no shortage that was not created by the new requirements brought about to meet the new demand brought forth by the subsidies.

Without the subsidies, the costs would have continued to decrease as they had been (Si is useful in other industries, too). However, the quantity of supply that came online would not now exist at the same levels. This new capacity is now running idle because the industry - especially in China - overbuilt and because some of the subsidies and generous FITs have been scaled back. We are starting to see cries of dumping show up.
Bob Wallace
Bob Wallace
October 13, 2012
Just a little big of googling will give you information about the silicon supply shortage which temporarily drove panel prices upwards.

It was not a supply interruption. It was the case of demand rising faster than supply.
Eric Husman
Eric Husman
October 13, 2012
So far as I know, there was no long term supply interruption during that period. In fact, the quantity supplied constantly rose. Therefore, the price increase was caused by the other scissor blade: demand. Demand was suddenly increased due to an exogenous factor: subsidies. Not creative, just simple Marshallian economics.
AVINASH MEHROTRA
AVINASH MEHROTRA
October 13, 2012
The Problem with the concept of 'Grid Parity' is that it is extremely restirctive and misleading. It assumes that given Grid Parity people will switch to solar. The solution lies in creating an integrated solar hybrid energy solution (preferably with distributed generation) which delivers a total cost of ownership at below grid costs and better than grid reliability. Look at 'Energy-as-a-Service'. It is the Grid guys who have ensured that you buy energy in KWH units and not units of cooling, lighting, heating, etc. Thus if by using LED we can deliver the same lighting at a lower number of units and deliver 24V DC from the solar system to power that LED, I am sure the total cost of ownership is already lower than grid. For the solar energy industry the solution lies in finding a platform or base at lower than grid total cost of ownership delivering the same value-addition at a lower cost. We, as a company, are trying to work in this area, finding unconventional solutions for the last mile consumer in India.
Bob Wallace
Bob Wallace
October 13, 2012
ehusman - demand exceeded supply. Sure, subsidies helped drive demand increases and that exposed a problem in the supply chain.

The price problem was caused by a lack of material supply.
Eric Husman
Eric Husman
October 13, 2012
Bob - Why do you think the demand suddenly went up? It was not endogenous.
Bob Wallace
Bob Wallace
October 13, 2012
ehusman - PV prices rose a few years back because demand rose above what the existing silicon processors could provide panel manufactures. When more silicon refining came on line about two years later prices quickly dropped. It was a crimp in the supply chain.

(Attributing a lack of material supply to subsidies is very "creative".)

We need to look at grid parity in multiple ways.

One way is end user parity, does user-owner cost less than purchasing retail grid power. In places such as Southern California the answer is clearly yes.

Another way to look at solar and parity is to look at the cost of providing the power needed if solar was not contributing. Peak hour generation can be very expensive at the wholesale level. PG&E recently signed a purchase agreement for solar at $0.104/kWh. That's a lot cheaper than buying form a gas peaker plant.
Ron Tolmie
Ron Tolmie
October 13, 2012
The fossil fuel industry is stable, profitable and growing even though most people realize that we need to turn to alternatives ASAP. To utilize natural sources of energy you need to be able to store some of it in order to match supply and demand. It is hard to design either city-wide energy storage systems or small scale systems like those for single homes. However, it is relatively easy and affordable to design mid-size storage systems that serve city blocks. My own approach to city-block storage is described in the October issue of http://sustainability-journal.ca . The advocates of alternative energy sources are not paying enough attention to the infrastructure that will be needed to enable them to work together to offer a successful solution.
Eric Husman
Eric Husman
October 13, 2012
Some data are missing from your analysis. There was a short period, roughly 2003-2005 if I recall correctly, in which solar panel prices increased. This was primarily due to the subsidies. Demand started outstripping the supply, which then led to higher production, and subsequently lower costs.

I'm not sure what you mean when you say, " the cost of manufacturing a solar panel and its selling price have been disconnected". In the 70s, it was expensive to make solar panels, and the prices was high. Now, they are cheaper to make and the prices are lower.

Grid parity is not a fallacy - it is a goal. If/when solar achieves it, we won't have to subsidize solar to compete with coal. We can probably all agree that conventional generation is subsidized, but the answer is to abandon that practice and move toward transparency, not compound the problem with more opacity.
M. SIMON
M. SIMON
October 13, 2012
You want true facts about costs? Demand that all solar subsidies end. Or at minimum ask for parity ($ per KWH) for solar subsidies. And that would be parity with natural gas or coal plants.

Personally I'm against all subsidies except possibly for R&D.
Viido Polikarpus
Viido Polikarpus
October 13, 2012
What else will kill the solar industry is fraudulant products and companies taking advantage of customers. Our company, Energy Smart ordered our 2nd container of solar vacuum tube systems and paid for it in full from a Chinese company Universal Energy dealing through their EU salesagent, Alexandre Malot. Ever since we paid, they have disappeared. No returned telephone calls, no return from emails or any inquiries in China or in France where their sales representative was located. Check out the site, Universal Energy is still up and probably still robbing people. The police here in Estonia for a long time didnt know what to do. It was an EU matter, when I contacted Interpol, they referred me back to my local police. Finally we have some leagal action occuring but we are out 50,000 euros and its a significant hit for a new company. Let this be a warning. I know we should have put the money in escrow first through the banks, but since we had already dealt with this company, we trusted them. I am sure my story isnt unique with all the solar panels being sold out there, the market is ripe for suckers like us.
M. SIMON
M. SIMON
October 13, 2012
Real grid parity needs to include the cost of required backup. Whether it is plants on hot standby, batteries, or flywheels or some other electrical storage mechanism.

Grid operators like to buy electrical energy in 15 minute increments. A passing cloud can ruin that calculation. And clouds are hard to predict. Thus the need for some kind of backup.

It would be really nice if solar proponents knew how the system operates instead of just touting dollars and watts.

Of course for small installations and total delivered power of under 1% of grid requirements such concerns hardly matter. It is when you get to utility scale that the problems I mentioned kick in.

And then you have the "dark energy" problem. Solar cells are not very good at delivering power in the dark. More storage is required to cover that. And not just 15 minutes worth.
E Fried
E Fried
October 13, 2012
I can't get the message. IMHO subsidies enlarge the gross margin. It needs clever reduction plans of FIT to fight that.
reece marfitt
reece marfitt
October 12, 2012
solar pv panels are artifically cheap at the moment due to producer subsidies and overcapacity (china) but after a shake-out of producers with most going to the wall i'm confident panels will continue to get cheaper.

panels costs are becoming less important when it comes to getting a system on your roof though and system prices vary wildly between countries as does the domestic cost of electricity and the efficiency of homes.

here in the uk a 4kw system on your roof plugged in and ready to go, can cost as little as £5200 and can be done from idea to completion in under 2 weeks. it was around £14k in 2009.

with the most efficient in class appliances in the home, from L.E.D tv's, lights and laptops to ultra efficient washing machines, fridges and kettles, that £5200 can effectively power a home and is a bargain even before the F.I.T. which is generous even now.

off the solar topic but relevent all the same is the fact that if you spend the heating equipment money on thermal insulation and vise-versa you effectivly get out of your heating bill aswell.

on the transport front a used prius can be converted to LPG for less than £1000 which effectivly gets rid if your gas/petrol bill aswell.

yearly savings at uk prices: electricity £3oo with FIT £700

gas £500

transport fuel £2000


change is coming and it may not all be in the climate.

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