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What the Wonderful Wizard of Oz Can Teach Solar

Paula Mints, Navigant Consulting
July 18, 2012  |  27 Comments

In the classic children's book, The Wonderful Wizard of Oz, by L. Frank Baum, Dorothy's dog Toto pulls back a curtain to reveal the Wizard as nothing but a normal man. "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain," the man says. With solar energy, that man behind the curtain could be the hidden subsidies that conventional energy enjoys, but, it could also be the promises of low prices for photovoltaic (PV) technology that are proving disastrous to all solar technologies.

Currently the PV industry is going through a significant correction as a result of an seven-year FiT-fueled party filled with capacity building, aggressive pricing and promises of grid parity that ignored the realities of technology development and have led to manufacturer failures, losses and failures on the demand side, and questions about the stability of the technology in the field. Demand for PV systems, especially multi-megawatt investor owned systems, drove the industry to multi-gigawatts of annual demand.  The idea that a period of shrinkage might improve the industry’s odds of avoiding a severe correction was not considered, while suggestions that the low prices were artificial and would lead to disaster were ignored. Over this period, unfortunately, progress was defined as being the cheapest electricity source available.  The cost of keeping this promise is a steady march of company failure after company failure.  This is more than a shame, it is a painful lesson that the entire solar sector must now endure and overcome. 

From the Wonderful Wizard of Oz: “If we walk far enough,” says Dorothy, “we shall sometime come to someplace.” 

It is critical that the PV industry’s “someplace” is a goal it can be proud of, and that includes educating the electricity-buying public about the value of clean, reliable solar electricity. 

When you are on top, everybody loves you and when troubles come (and they always do) beware of Schadenfreude.  During the early FiT days, many companies took the IPO route, so, the cost of the current low prices in terms of company failures, is impossible to ignore.  Concerns about the photovoltaic sector have spilled over to influence investor confidence in CSP and CPV technologies.  

Promises of achieving grid parity with conventional energy and doing so without subsidies ignores the fallacy of this goal, which is that parity with a subsidized source of electricity, for which the true costs of production are largely unknown, is not possible. Actual parity cannot be achieved, only the appearance of parity.  Meanwhile, given the subsidies that conventional energy enjoys, and given the current low price of natural gas, this unfair race simply cannot be won. The cost to the environment of using fracking to access natural gas, particularly in the United States, remains largely ignored while the low prices of NG, which are often not passed on to the consumer, are celebrated.  It is time to pull the curtain back on the true cost of all energy generating technologies – from conventional energy to solar energy.  Once this happens parity will likely be much closer than previously thought.

At the recent Intersolar North America conference held in San Francisco each July, the conference organizers presented awards to the top three solar projects during the previous year.  The projects that won provide examples of the value that solar brings to communities.  The winners were Enerworks for a large scale thermal cooling and heating installation on a retirement home in Canada, ESA Renewables, for a PV solar farm that provides income to a school including paying the salaries of two teachers, and Vanir Energy, for a large scale solar thermal system on a YMCA in North Carolina.  These community solar projects help to educate communities about the value of solar, including energy independence.  Promises of energy independence along with highly visible community solar projects will help educate energy consumers about the value of solar. 

From the Wonderful Wizard of Oz: “You have plenty of courage, I am sure," answered Oz. "All you need is confidence in yourself. There is no living thing that is not afraid when it faces danger. The true courage is in facing danger when you are afraid, and that kind of courage you have in plenty.”

Lead Image: Yellow Brick Road via Shutterstock

 

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Gary McCallum
Gary McCallum
July 23, 2012
The Orion Solartech system has to be looked at in its entirity. It can be a full roof or part of a roof. It can be used for a renovation or new construction. I dont think the leaking would be a big issue as it is set up for expansion and contraction plus with modern compression fittings we have superior plumbing than older soldered fittings. It is only plumbing.

It can also be used for cooling in areas with hot days and cool nignts. My neighbours cooled their pool in their old house at night with their 1980's solar system. It can be used to heat a home a pool or water. Think of commercial operations like a hospital in southern climates.

If the thermal cannot provide enough heat for water the PV can suppliment with electric heat.

The system gets tailored to the climate and the need. Resolving the esthetic issue is a big problem for solar. With both the consumer and Architects. I have heard more than once about Architects that do not like solar. Says alot about their lack of imagination but it is mostly the box on a roof they don't like.

Not one product will resolve the energy issue but when one product is all encompasing in so many ways it should be seriously considered to see if it can fit within the desired applications of a green project.

j-davis You are correct the heated air can be expelled in the summer and circulated in the winter by using louvers. This is the beauty of the system. It is only limited by imagination and purpose.

There is a hospital in Bangkok that has a PV-Thermal system on their roof and are claiming 50% combined efficiency with the hot water being used for laundry purposes. It is not the same system but it says alot about combining PV and Thermal.
John Nistler
John Nistler
July 23, 2012
Gary, Looked at the Orion Solar site. Don't really see the advantage in using it with a solar PV system. Lots of other approaches make more sense. Great idea for northern climates where heating of your house is an important factor. J-davis, not sure about your 1/2 in 5 year claim. Here is the actual average price per watt for silicon based solar since 1985. http://psida.webs.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=149360999 Presently in 2012 we are below 90 cent USD per watt. Lower efficiency panels are for sale as low as $0.62 per watt. Competition is heating up and bargain basement prices are continuing to push efficiencies and cost per watt. While utilization of optical enhancement and full polar tracking push down the cost per kWh. Unlike other power industries, the solar industry will benefit from volume sales similar to electronics, but just like in the semiconductor industry - adoptions of major improvements shift the cost line down permanently setting up a new Moore's law linear reduction.
Jeff Davis
Jeff Davis
July 23, 2012
Btw: if a roof develops a leak "after" solar panels are installed on top, the solar panels obviously have to be first removed, the roof fixed patched or complete ReRoof, then it all has to be reinstalled.. (DOUBLE WORK ).... thus a rail system or double roof (rainproof continuous interlocking system is preferred to avoid that whole issue. (every nail or screw that is put directly thru existing shingles will eventually create a leak or drip no matter how much tar or rubber washers are used.. its just life.. so to maintain that type sytem would require yearly checks to insure tar and washers are not cracked or dryed out... tedious even with rail sytem for panels. The double roof design once again avoids that whole issue.
Jeff Davis
Jeff Davis
July 23, 2012
Gary, you are right, I looked only at the facial front page photo and it didn't have all the details you described.. it "could" be what we need.. !
Q1: SO what is the cost to get 5000 watts PV ? 10,000 watts PV out?
Question2: does it have movable louvers to allow the heat to be trapped in winter and flow freely out in summer? We thought about something indirectly similar for our invisible 40 gal solar water heater but then thought it might be too costly and bulky to operate and prone to problems (we have enough problems already and prefer as few moving parts as possible.. in fact it has no moving parts at all...smile which makes it virtually maintenance free).
Question3: IF a "leak" develops in the top of one of your solar roof "Orion" panels, would it also make it thru however indirectly or directly to the living space (or make a stain on the ceiling) ? If not I would say you've lost part of the beauty of the double roof design.. homeowners go thru hell with leaks.. and in the case of solar on roof, alot of the reason for going to the rainproof continuous solar 2nd roof with air gap is to provide 2 levels of protection.. if the first top solar roof leaks, the homeonwer can know that by observing traces of water dripping down underneath in air gap area at the roof edge, thus he can fix it before it actually gets to the 2nd original roof underneath.. This type design "could" be fitted out with louvers to trap the heat in the winter as well quite easily I would expect. Hope I'm not engaging your time too much.
Gary McCallum
Gary McCallum
July 23, 2012
j-davis

You did not look at or understand all the drawings in the "details"

Figure #8 shows a complete roof covered with both PV-thermal and thermal with a built in skylight that is part of the system.

Figure # 11 shows a glazed thermal system with an air gap underneath to remove heat

Figure #16 shows a PV thermal system unglazed with an air gap underneath to remove heat also

The beauty of this system is that it can be custom designed and built to any spacifications from the tropics to the arctic.

For Florida use the system in figure 16 and expell the hot air underneath with simple convection. For somewhere further north use the same system and capture the hot air in the winter to heat the residence by means of a forced air loop.

"NOT 10 to 20 times the cost" and both PV and thermal substantially increases the efficiency, plus you are not covering an expensive roof (or a cheap one,)plus no roof penetrations plus all the plumbing and wiring are no exposed. Put up the trusses install the panels hook it up finish the house. The plan is to make this system the "LEGO" of solar
Jeff Davis
Jeff Davis
July 23, 2012
http://www.blinkx.com/watch-video/scientific-american-frontiers-hydrogen-hopes/eq6zw6U1fv6MpAh7c5IWsQ skip to time 17:30 for the ovshinksy lt wt solar shingle !!!!

gary-mccallum-153526 July 22, 2012 says:

"Go to the Orion Solartech site and look at the drawings. You just described their system but it is done differently than you envision"

Looks interesting, thanks, but I don't think they are using the all important air gap that allows for escape of hot air between the 2 roofs (see orig comment above). You see we live in FL and we rarely worry about cold (or snow being a problem). In fact we save most when the house is in the shade thus the dbl roof with air gap between. They also don't seem to show the "whole roof" area as being used, as we would say to do. COSTS: we keep getting max of $2 per watt installed.. I would daresay theirs is at least 10-20 x higher. We look for "elegance" meaning in our minds, simplist, highest efficiency for the lowest cost, and fewest parts (especially moving parts). Just a tracking system drastically adds to cost, but there are some that are passive using no energy, just the heat from the sun to boil a liquid which gradually changes the weight distribution which moves the panels to approximately track the sun... NASA at cape has demo area with one like that, but that requires "pedestal" and limits panel area unless adding many pedestals or fewer bigger pedestals which cost $$. On the other hand, the double roof gives you a 2nd roof, puts your whole houes in the shade, also PV generation, and sheds rain as well. We thinking with cheap solar panels similar perhaps to ovshinsky's solar shingle (super light weight no glass and out performs silicon based glassed types over 12 day and even generates in non-direct sunlight (runs in the rain as his documentary with alan alda shows (this was UNI-SOL/ECD.. which was bought out and driven straight into bankruptcy by some 3rd party co (controlled by oil traitors ?).
Gary McCallum
Gary McCallum
July 22, 2012
j-davis says

Maybe it would be a good idea to devise a system where, the original roof remains, and the solar panels would comprise a new 2nd roof which not only blocks the sun and rain but provids the air gap between two roofs to vastly make the house absorb less heat which reduces the AC bill,

Go to the Orion Solartech site and look at the drawings. You just described their system but it is done differently than you envision
Jeff Davis
Jeff Davis
July 22, 2012
RM: $10,000 per watt for Solar PV is very high.. is this a typo? We calculate ~$1.00 - $2.00 per watt installed. Or were you using 1950's costs ? I talked to someone who has a double roof with an air gap between the two of about 3-4" to allow air flow to remove heat, they say their AC electric bill is very low now (I think they did it with metal 2nd roof on top of original asphalt shingle type, separated as said by up to 4" air gap); so its like having the whole house in the shade in a way. Maybe it would be a good idea to devise a system where, the original roof remains, and the solar panels would comprise a new 2nd roof which not only blocks the sun and rain but provids the air gap between two roofs to vastly make the house absorb less heat which reduces the AC bill, plus of course the 5-10 year payback on the PV roof cost . (DIY is 5 years payback for our calculations which makes it in effect Free PV system over 5 years; labor makes it ~10years but still not so bad, after that its free). Feds still give 30% tax credit directly back to taxpayer so it cuts it down to those numbers by our math).
Richard McIver
Richard McIver
July 22, 2012
Fission, the A-bomb and nuclear power, took efforts of 157,000 people (3-4 years) and lots of funding. Fusion is 100 years and
only 3,000 people funded. Currently, near break even and steady
progress every 10 years about the same size in steps to ignition.

I have graphs of developments (Cal Tech) and this is the ultimate source of power. Solar Moore's Law is 5 years to cut solar PV costs in half (1.5 years for computers is Moore's Law). Engineering for computers, LED lights, lasers, LED t.v., OLED t.v., and PV solar are similar so first 4 drive (fund) the later. PV solar eingineering and funding is off-shoot of television and computers, lasers, and lights.

Do the Moore's Law for solar since 1950 at $10,000/watt installed
and 5 years costs drop by half, and it is accurate almost to the penny. Amazing.
Jessee McBroom
Jessee McBroom
July 22, 2012
That sounds great Gary. I hope it all goes well for them. I really do enjoy zero emmissions synergistic systems.
Gary McCallum
Gary McCallum
July 22, 2012
john-nistler and energy4all I am in touch with the team at Queens University in Kingston Ontario working with the amorphus silicon that has been found to be superior for conducting heat. This makes it more suitable for Thermal PV. They have also discovered that by removing the heat from the PV the efficiency increases by 10% Orion solartech is working on a new Building Integrated PV Thermal solar panel that is a structural element, provides the roof and is suitable for rain water collection. Next week they will be in touch with a testing facility to see if there is an interest to participate in third party testing. A well designed PV Thermal system can achieve combined optimal efficiencies of up to 50% with todays near 20% pv and 30% thermal. Decreasing the temperature of Photovoltaics also increases their longevity. It is thought a PV thermal system could provide up to 80+ years of electricity and heat. We have a bright future
Jeff Davis
Jeff Davis
July 21, 2012
Coal doesn't have to pollute, it can be scrubbed (filtered) clean at the central smokestacks of power plants (versus trying to filter 300 miilion tailpipes). Most important USA assets (coal) would stop the bankruptcy of the USA to OPEC (muslim, islamic arabic types mostly).
Jeff Davis
Jeff Davis
July 21, 2012
We have designed a thermalsolar water heater that cots only $250 in parts, holds 40 gallons, is invisible from street view, and saves us about $30/mo per person at least. Lets be real, things don't have to cost thousands, existing materials, and methods can be used to save alot money, all free from the Sun ! doublebatterylife.com
ANONYMOUS
July 21, 2012
Thanks John-nistler for the great idea of combining the IR sensitive film with conventional silicon. This might even be practical! 4% ir is probably not by itself
Jessee McBroom
Jessee McBroom
July 21, 2012
I read about this in R&D and Science Daily John. Another company has done the same trick with Amorphous Silicon Shingles to utilize IR just recently by making the material thicker it absorbs and converts the IR much more.
John Nistler
John Nistler
July 21, 2012
UCLA just announced a polymer film that absorbs in the Infrared producing a 4% conversion. http://www.power-eng.com/news/2012/07/21/ucla-researchers-create-highly-transparent-solar-cells-for-windows-that-generate-electricity.html

Since silicon is IR transparent, I have contacted the head of c-Si at PVMC in regards to using this polymer as the backside encapsulate. If viable, this could bump up all c-Silicon based solar panels by up to 4% in less then a year. Essentially pushing us past the 20% efficiency barrier and also increasing late afternoon production. Since this could be a direct cost replacement, aka, replacing existing encapsulate polymer with a new polymer that actually converts IR, it should not impact price per watt and will effectively increase efficiencies. A 4% jump on a 17% panel without raising cost per watt drastically changes the LCOE costs.
Jessee McBroom
Jessee McBroom
July 21, 2012
@ Robert You would be looking for a DOE EERE Progress Alert titled New Data Base Makes Costs of Energy Technologies More Transparent of July 16 2012.This is a WIKI type of a public input document and program; so bear that in mind. It is just a way to keep technologies costs transparent and current.
Michael Launer
Michael Launer
July 21, 2012
Response to robhilbun - 'Damming rivers, coal, fracking and nuclear??? No one I know or trust has any idea of the true cost of the extremely complex alterations to the world's environment and all life on earth caused by these energy technologies.'

There is nothing anyone can do to mitigate the secondary effects of damming rivers, burning coal, or using current fracturing methods. But why include nuclear here?

Chernobyl was caused by a terrible reactor design built in a country that privileged obedience and production over the safe operation of an advanced technology. Fukushima Dai-ichi was caused by a flawed design basis threat analysis in a country that privileges obedience and respect for authority over the safe operation of an advanced technology. But TMI proved that proper engineering and safety analysis can overcome even the worst technological accidents.

Whatever the general public may believe, environmental disasters at commercial nuclear facilities are not inevitable. Accidents? Yes - all technological systems are subject to accidents. But the knowledge exists to minimize the impact of such accidents, assuming there is sufficient political will to insist on stringent regulation.

It is difficult to make a case for the inevitability of 'extremely complex alterations to the world's environment' associated with nuclear power production. Not so for the other technologies discussed here, however.
John Nistler
John Nistler
July 21, 2012
I agree that education is important. So much so that we are actively involved with a local high school, NREL, PVMC, ERCOT and SECO on a joint project. At the recent intersolar show, I saw two divisions within the solar panel manufacturing arena. One group with low efficiency 14.5% efficiency panels grabbing for air by incorporating microinverters to present an AC panel to the public. The other group has gotten down to business and going after higher efficiency panels. Those groups not going after higher efficiency panels make up lots of excuses such as poor reliability if they fill the entire area or other reasons why their efficiency versus area is not as high.

So now the management of those companies with low efficiency panels are tying on the most expensive method of inverters. I expect to see a lot more companies failing by trying to "market" their way out of reality.
Robert Hilbun
Robert Hilbun
July 21, 2012
This is a response and question to energy4all. I went to the NREL site to see the chart on how they calculated the cost of different energy technologies. Maybe you could tell me which site you were viewing because this site was just a chart. No mention of evironmental costs, health, or any of the other complex energy equations. I still stand by my original statement, "No one I know or trust has any Idea of the true cost of the extremely complex alterations to the worlds environment and all life on earth caused by these energy technologies." Would love to see any real comprhensive science on this issue, please advise if you have some links/books/etc..no paid for corporate analysis necessary ........ Thanks
ANONYMOUS
July 21, 2012
Regarding US subsidies for all energy sources, see these two reports:
1.http://www.dblinvestors.com/documents/What-Would-Jefferson-Do-Final-Version.pdf Sept, 2011
2.http://bakercenter.utk.edu/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Solar-incentives-and-benefits-_complete-report_May-1-2012-21.pdf May 2012
Jessee McBroom
Jessee McBroom
July 21, 2012
Moores' Law as it were definitely applies to PV applications. No less so than any othe electronics related field such as computers; the laws' birthplace.
John Nistler
John Nistler
July 21, 2012
Any solar group that was living in the land of Oz since 2008 is going to have trouble. It amazes me how many executives at various solar companies refused to understand the history of the semiconductor industry and how solar was going to follow the same path. Solar power is a high tech industry that has to provide a low priced item, no different then the i-phones of today. Spot prices on polysilicon has dropped from $350 USD per kg in 2008 to less then $22 per kg today. This means that starting material is no longer a defining differentiation. Yet, many CEO's still refuse to understand that they must push their companies into highly efficient panels at low cost per watt while improving reliability and overall performance. This requires the following of Deming's quality improvement programs and statistical product improvements coming out with an improved product every quarter. Essentially something the survivors in the electronics industry started learning in the late 70's and early 1980's. Any solar panel manufacturer who does not plan on being above 17% efficiency by the end of 2012 will have serious problems in maintaining profitability. The cost of frames, junction boxes and glass will not go down. The only way to achieve profitability at low cost per watt will be to increase efficiency of the panels.
George Reynoldson
George Reynoldson
July 20, 2012
This terrific essay contains a critical (James Kunstler type) lesson for DOE and Pentagon types: we live in Jiminey Cricket Syndrome country on a finite planet. And, the door back to 'reality' is rapidly closing, especially if Middle East unrest (likely a bi-product of 2008, 2010 food price spikes) accelerates and turns 2013 into an economic 'Wall Street Schadenfredue' and disingenuous 'energy security support' for the rest of USA. Then, perhaps a critical mass of DOE(ers) and Pentagon(ers) may be forced to realize that many solar technologies like passive solar and solar hot water have been cheaper than fossil fuels since the 1970s. Or will they still hope that 'if they walk far enough, they shall sometime come to someplace where someone will accept the blame' on their behalf. Unfortunately it looks like that window of opportunity is closing too. Instead, maybe they will look their "magic mirror" only to find that it is shattered, and finally wake up and support global carbon pricing before many many more go hungry, unrest reaches a critical (rage) mass AND we all realize that we are intentionally warming ourselves and cooking our grandchildren though our own actions and Jiminey Cricket thinking!
Jessee McBroom
Jessee McBroom
July 20, 2012
The DOE just published a report on the true costs of renewable energy technologies. I believe it was released as a progress alert from the National Renewable Energy Lab just last week. Maybe that will help.
Robert Hilbun
Robert Hilbun
July 20, 2012
Yes, this to me has always been one of the biggest factors to energy. What is the true cost to the environment, tax payer, producer and end users? Damming rivers, coal, fracking and nuclear??? No one I know or trust has any Idea of the true cost of the extremely complex alterations to the worlds environment and all life on earth caused by these energy technologies.
Jessee McBroom
Jessee McBroom
July 20, 2012
I do agree it is time to pull the curtain back and reveal the true cost of all energy technologies. This must also include the limited lifespan of subsidies relative to given technologies as well as any applicable FITs as the case may be or not. The near eternal life that oil and gas subsidies have come to enjoy should also be allowed to expire as these areas quite often post record profits regularly now.

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