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Should the Wind Turbine Industry Head for the Hills?

Bruce Dorminey, Contributor
July 19, 2012  |  16 Comments

At dusk outside Limon, an isolated interstate interchange on Colorado's vast eastern frontier, a string of active wind turbines lines the southwest horizon --- their red aviation warning lights almost keeping time with their rotating blades. And more are on the way; the local hotels are packed with summer wind farm construction workers pulling three shifts a day.

In fact, such high desert landscapes are an obvious choice for wind power technology — but what about the mountains and hillsides that never seem to top the wind energy list?

These steeper gradient sites are getting a second look.  Hui Hu, an aerospace engineer at Iowa State University, and colleagues have been studying how hillside gradients and hilly terrains impact wind energy models for wind farms.  Hu argues that current models are based on wind energy efficiencies for turbines on a flat terrain, without taking into account the dynamics of turbines on hillsides.

Until now, there’s been a data gap when engineers consider the effects of atmospheric winds on uneven terrain.  But the engineers at Iowa State used scale model mini-turbines in a large on-campus wind tunnel to study the effects of hilly terrain and turbine placement on power production. 

“Tools for predicting how existing wind turbine farms will work aren’t well developed, so people resort to rules of thumb,” said Richard Wlezien, Iowa State’s Chair of Aerospace Engineering.  “But you can’t just look at an array of turbines and say this is a good or bad way to align them.”  

Hu’s argument is that by modeling turbines on hillsides we can get a more accurate picture of energy potential on hilly or mountainous terrain, since wind farm designs are still based on flat terrains. 

Hu’s group is studying how the steep [20 to 40 degree] gradients of a hill impact the turbine efficiency.  The results show that turbines on hilly terrain experience higher wind loads than their flat terrain counterparts.  

As a result, wind making its way over hilly terrain recovers its power potential more quickly as it moves from turbine to turbine.  Hu reports that his results show that on hillsides, turbine rows can be more closely spaced than previously thought.

“That means for the same acre of land you can put more wind turbines, and thus [harvest] more energy, out of a given project,” said Hu. 

The conventional wisdom, says Wlezien, is that you stagger the turbines to keep one out of the wake of another.  But what Hu is showing is that on hilly terrain, the effect of the upstream turbine may disappear faster than people expect.  So, on hillsides turbine rows can be more closely spaced. 

“Putting one behind the other may not be as bad as it seems even in a flat terrain,” said Wlezien.  “It’s all a matter of how far down stream.  Hu’s work [shows] that when you put one turbine downstream of another, you can actually get enough mixing in the wake of the upstream turbine that [mountainous sites] become desirable.”

Does this mean the wind energy industry should suddenly head for the hills?

To meet the Department of Energy’s wind energy production targets of 20 percent of the U.S.’ electricity output by 2030, developers may have to.

In order to meet its goal, the U.S. would need to install more than 300 GW of wind energy capacity. If each turbine had a minimum of capacity of 2 MW, the U.S. would still need to install 150,000 more commercial wind turbines over the next two decades.  Thus, to meet such goals, wind energy developers may have to consider unconventional mountain sites.

“There’s been an awful lot of confusion about what’s a good location and bad location for turbines,” said Wlezien.  “But at higher altitude, you’re going to get higher winds.” 

In fact, Jim Manwell, Director of the Wind Energy Center at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, says the site of the world's first modern wind farm in 1981 was on New Hampshire’s Crotched Mountain.  He notes that, more recently, wind turbines have since been installed on mountainside ski areas in Vermont and Massachusetts.  Indeed, the country’s highest winds are in the Intermountain West, the Appalachians, and mountainous parts of the Northeast. 

At first blush, placing wind turbines on mountaintops does seem like a good idea, says Manwell.  That’s because mountains serve as natural towers and so the wind speed is higher than it is on the surrounding lowlands.   

“Wind flow over mountainous terrain may be relatively turbulent and may be outside the range for which commercial turbines have been designed,” said Manwell.  “That could accelerate fatigue damage and premature failure and the need for replacement of some components.  Thus reputable manufacturers may be loathe to sell turbines for such locations.  There may also be problems getting financing or insurance.” 

It’s most cost effective to set up wind farms in plains regions and flat mesas, says David Minster, the Manager of the Wind Energy Technologies department at Sandia National Labs in Albuquerque.  That is, places that have known winds and predictable directions.  Although most wind turbines are designed to be able to change direction to face the wind, Minster says in mountainous areas they would have to change direction frequently. 

Darrell Pepper, a professor of mechanical engineering at the University of Nevada at Las Vegas, has studied potential mountainous wind farm sites all over the state. 

“Mountainous spots in Nevada have very high wind potential, but are so isolated they are not cost effective,” said Pepper.  “What’s really going to kill the deal though is an absence of electrical transmission lines, each of which might cost a million dollars a mile.”

What would have to change to make commercial wind energy commonplace in mountainous or very hilly terrain? 

“The cost of electricity would have to go up significantly to make it profitable,” said Minster.  “And wind technology would have to be cheaper with more reliable turbine blades.”

Until then, wind farms, in the U.S. at least, will likely continue to only dominate the high desert and Great Plains.

Lead Image: Wind farm via Shutterstock

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Penny Melko
Penny Melko
October 29, 2012
East Kern County is one of the places where developers have crammed experimental turbines in every nook and cranny. More "endangered" Mojave Desert tortoises were just removed for another 313 turbines and we're helpless to stop this. Checking further on the CEQA issue. There is a proposed CEQA amendment that goes into effect Jan 1, 2013. All the information is found at:

http://ceres.ca.gov/ceqa/sb226_guideline_updates.html

This is for fast-tracking but it is not the law yet. Kern County has recently initiated a zone change to prevent developers from planning turbines to be placed right up to the boundaries of Tomo-Kahni State Park and other state park land because they were zoned WE 3 decades ago. Perhaps the county's position is that once WE zoning is in place environmental issues are moot. That applies even after 25-30 years have passed. If anyone is inclined, go to google earth and view the boneyard of old wind turbines on 903 acres. Thank you Oak Creek Energy for blighting 50000 year old archealogical treasures.
nevi a
nevi a
October 29, 2012
Since I had zero success contacting govt/depts since 2008, perhaps some engineers out there may give better direction.

http://newcleantricity.yolasite.com/

Personally,I believe wind and solar are ok for some areas, but investments in these are falling because really once you try to push something more than its worth,the downsides start to take over. The whispers of 'is this kind of investment really worth it?' is very slowly beginning to extract the answer 'No.' This is because the extents of where they can work are limited, but the lobbying to push these into more areas than logical is where the problems are.

Anyways..I dont have a string of alphabet letters following my name, and Im not even a feature in the energy sector but I am in the business of design and concept.

I am looking for progressives to assist me to get into the framework I need.
Mike Barnard
Mike Barnard
August 10, 2012
@Chris: Your take away from the Bentek report should be that mid-sized, undiversified fossil fuel industry players are working and lobbying hard to prevent their market share from being reduced.

Major players such as BP, Enbridge, etc, have sizeable stables of renewables as they are energy companies. They aren't engaging in astroturfing and disinformation campaigns as Bentek, the Koch Brothers and the Heartland Institute are.

The Bentek reports are deeply flawed and their conclusions contradicted by documents from the power organizations of the States that they purport to study.

That you continue to push the Bentek material despite being told of its inherent problems is ... interesting.
Jim Cummings
Jim Cummings
August 10, 2012
Ah, if only we went with the concluding sentence of this article we're now discussing (and seconded by the considered opinion of wind historian Robert Righter, who I wrote about on REW awhile back): 'Until then, wind farms, in the U.S. at least, will likely continue to only dominate the high desert and Great Plains.' To focus our efforts there, however, requires more transmission capacity. As for cost, I for one am OK with the idea that we'll need to pay more for energy going forward, even though as Prof. Deutch notes, that's 'not popular'. But yes, I do want to see solid C02 reductions not too far down the transition path, for sure--that's WHY I'm willing to pay more.
Chris Kapsambelis
Chris Kapsambelis
August 10, 2012
@Jim. MIT conducted a Symposium on Managing Large Scale Integration of Intermittent Renewables, where some 75 experts attended. Large Scale Integration was determined to be between 20% and 30%. Below are a couple of quotes that seem to contradict your assertion that wind energy is only ineffective at low levels of grid penetration, and the implication that large scale deployment will solve the problem, and result in savings to be gained as in Texas.

"The study's message for policymakers and regulators is that intermittent sources will cost more for total operations, and they have to decide who is going to pay for it – a message that is "not popular," conceded MIT Professor John Deutch"

"as renewable capacity has increased, the intermittent nature of wind and solar generation ... has led to operational difficulties and unintended consequences for emissions and economic efficiency."

The noise problems from siting wind turbines too close to residents is not the only problem. The ecological damage to mountains like Lowell Mountain in VT can only be justified if wind energy is proven effective. Now the author of this article argues that in addition to ridge lines they can be placed in higher densities on hillsides.

At this stage we have enough installations to verify the promise of wind energy through real experience. Continuing to increase wind penetration based on computer model studies that cannot be verified is counterproductive to both our economic future and the goal of carbon avoidance.
Jim Cummings
Jim Cummings
August 9, 2012
SCG, thanks for the solid sound picture. I do think its likely that many noise issues are accentuated in hills, and clear reports of what it's like are important and helpful.
Penny Melko
Penny Melko
August 9, 2012
I live in the Tehachapi Pass which is mountainous. For anyone who doesn't live with them 365 days a year, you have no clue about their noise or the daily affect the lives of people living within 10-14 miles of them. Heading for the hills discusses acoustic noise. This is good news to find there is some acknowledgment that acoustic sound travels.

For 2 nights residents have been hearing deep, overpowering thumping outdoors. Someone said it's probably a runaway turbine. It was not only disconcerting to be outdoors as a human, it must severely affect other wildlife as well. For my 2 cents, our property is 28 acres on a hillside and faces a wind facility located 1.48 miles on the next group of hills. The large GE turbines blades emit tremendous noise pollution into the atmosphere. Depending on wind directions the turbine noise can be heard from 3 directions from as far as 5 miles away - cumulative noise.

Other residents 4 miles deeper in our canyon can hear them from Jawbone Canyon, about 10 miles away and also the ones south of us. I've contacted the companies based on seeing met towers. One company representative from AES claimed the sound I hear couldn't come from their facility because there is a 200 foot hill between the 2 locations. American Wind Capital (subsidiary of Barclays Bank) does not respond. California Wind talks to me but does nothing to tweek their turbines. The wind energy appears to me to be a bubble. What I see is companies like TerraGen who are horrible credit risks constructing the facilities then flip them like flipping houses to banks like Barclay who find private hedge fund investors. The problem is that the American people are subsidizing 30%.

I'd like to invite the readers to view our local community website call Tehachapi Community for Responsible Energy Development for an overview of our sentiments toward wind energy.(http://www.facebook.com/pages/Tehachapi-Communities-for-Responsible-Energy-Development/210632038973095)
Jim Cummings
Jim Cummings
August 9, 2012
@Chris In most cases of course, there's no need to ADD 'an equal amount' of fossil fuel capacity as wind integration rises; we just use existing fossil fuel sources a bit less. The CO2-reduction efficiency issues you are talking about, to the degree they exist, are relevant in areas where wind penetration is very low; there is a natural and unavoidable crossover point that we have not yet reached, after which there are enough varied sources of wind (and/or regional grid integration) to soften the intermittency troughs and require less rapid ramping up and down of other sources. Longer term (hours) wind prediction is also getting better, fast, which will provide far more flexibility for grid operators to manage the dance of many suppliers (something they already do all the time). As Mike notes, in Texas the savings are clear. I'm all for being more conscious about siting problems (especially near homes, as you know; see my REW contributions at http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/u/AcousticEcologyInstitute/articles ), but it gets tiring seeing any wind article in here become a place to post these larger objections, which are often unrelated to the theme of the piece.
Chris Kapsambelis
Chris Kapsambelis
August 9, 2012
@Mike. My take away point from Bentek is that wind power cannot be integrated into the grid without an equal amount of fossil fuel power to provide firming for its volatile and intermittent nature. When that firming capacity is provided by coal, instead of avoiding carbon the process generates more carbon. With natural gas providing the needed firming capacity, carbon avoidance is achieved but not to a large degree.

What Bentek is telling their clients is that you need not worry about wind taking over. As the penetration increases the worst that can happen is that NG will be substituted for coal.

The problem we all face is that state mandates are forcing the integration of wind that is more than doubling the cost of electricity for little to no avoidance of carbon.
Mike Barnard
Mike Barnard
August 8, 2012
@Chris: that reference does not support your assertion. It does say that there is a additional cost, which is understood in shifting an energy grid to a new model. The reference to the Bentek study is debunked in the article itself and further debunked here:http://www.quora.com/Wind-Power/Is-the-Bentek-report-The-Wind-Power-Paradox-accurate-in-stating-that-CO2-emission-reductions-due-to-wind-energy-are-non-existent-or-extremely-expensive/answer/Mike-Barnard

Relying on the Bentek report is relying on a natural gas analysis company whose CEO chairs to fossil fuel lobbyist organizations. An organization that made serious mistakes in their analysis, which I'll charitably ascribe to ignorance.
Jim Cummings
Jim Cummings
August 2, 2012
It appears that most studies of wake dynamics/interactions and turbulence are focused on their effects on energy production and the load stresses on turbines. These are obviously the key questions for operators, but and additional line of research should be looking at how wake interactions and turbulence (including on ridges and mountains) affect the noise levels produced by the turbine.

Many wind farm neighbors report that the worst noises are relatively rare but especially intrusive sounds often characterized as "knocking" or "banging" (seems quite plausible that this could be inflow turbulence, and also that such events would be exactly what are being studied for their effects on equipment) as well as times when there is a palpable physical sensation of pressure (which could be the wake itself, or a low-frequency artifact of wake interactions).

It would be very helpful if research such as described here also collected sound data, so we can begin to learn whether the most intrusive noise events reported by neighbors might be largely related to wake and turbulence effects.
Chris Kapsambelis
Chris Kapsambelis
July 26, 2012
Apparently the early studies are not being confirmed through actual practice.

http://www.resitenow.org/component/content/article/36-articles-and-editorials/94-ny-times-fickle-winds-and-higher-electricity-costs.html
Mike Barnard
Mike Barnard
July 26, 2012
@Chris: Provide a reference. In the absence of an assessable citation and accurate statements about what large-scale means, I'll have to go with major grid management studies from the UK and Finland that show low backup requirements and high CO2e-offsets for wind at penetrations of up to 20%.

And I'll have to agree with grid management studies showing grid interconnectedness is the most effective means of providing backup energy, not large scale storage.

http://www.quora.com/Wind-Power/How-much-backup-generation-or-storage-does-a-wind-farm-require-and-how-does-that-compare-to-conventional-generation/answer/Mike-Barnard
Chris Kapsambelis
Chris Kapsambelis
July 26, 2012
A recent MIT symposium concluded that in the absence of utility scale energy storage, large scale penetration of wind energy to the power grid adds to the cost and fails to save fuel. The wind industry's claim that every KWh of wind energy is one KWh less from fossil fuel is false because it chooses to ignore the negative effects that result when wind turbines are connected to the grid. Continuing on the present path of state mandates for a technology that cannot replace fossil fuel will leave us without options when we finally do run out of fossil fuel.

The DOE's target of 20% by 2030 is running into grid stability problems in Texas, California, Spain and elsewhere as grid penetration approaches 10%. Ignoring reality, the DOE now has a plan for 80% by 2050. NREL is irresponsible and needs to be closed down.
Penny Melko
Penny Melko
July 26, 2012
Why don't you head for the cities where the power is needed. There is plenty of wind everywhere. Instead the mountains and areas that have no business being touched have been devastated by the construction, displacement and incredibly high number of raptor killings from the blades. There are literally hundreds upon hundreds of community citizen groups across North America and Europe that have formed for the explicit purpose of stopping the approval of wind turbine generators because of the sheer damage to the environment, light pollution and noise pollution. I'd say it's time to abandon this technology until such time a design is developed that has minimal impact. I haven't even gone into the avian deaths from transmission lines. There's no reason for them to be at a height and able to explode a bird's head that touches a wire. This is ridiculous and renders the machinery unfit for production use. The opposition to the current design of turbines is not going to go away. To the contrary we get more angry and insolent about pressuring the energy industry scrapping the turbines and shutting off the ones in operation. The equipment has too many flaws.
ANONYMOUS
July 20, 2012
150,000 more wind turbines by 2030? That's more than 8,000 per year! Who would seriously think this is going to happen. Sure it would be great if it did happen, but right now it seems like pure fantasy.

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