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Race for Renewables' Game-changers Heats Up

'Innovation economics' is propelling a global hunt for inventions that can extend the frontiers of renewable generation.

Elisa Wood, Contributor
April 16, 2012  |  17 Comments

First comes invention then comes prosperity. That's the theory of 'innovation economics,' a relatively new doctrine that underlies today's worldwide race to discover energy's next game changer and is triggering some intriguing tinkering in renewable energy. Will one of these new technologies lead us out of our economic malaise?

'Hurry up with your work.’ That was the message delivered to energy innovators by Arun Majumdar, director of the U.S. government’s Advanced Research Projects Agency-Energy (ARPA-E) at a Washington, D.C. gathering in November. ‘Let there be no illusion that speed is of the essence right now,’ Majumdar said at the energy innovation conference sponsored by the Information Technology and Innovation Foundation, a public policy think tank.

Why the haste? The last 100 years brought us electricity, air travel, nuclear technology, fibre optics, wireless communication and more. Now the world needs the equivalent breadth and depth of innovation from the energy sector, but this time we don’t have a century to make the transformation. Dependent on a single fuel for transportation, the US is vulnerable from both a security and an economic perspective, particularly since it imports half of its oil - as does China. India also is an importer, as are Germany and Japan. ‘This is a global problem and people are looking for technological leadership in trying to solve it,’ Majumdar said.

At the same time, prosperity is arriving for large swathes of the undeveloped world, which creates new pressures and opportunities for energy innovators. Rural outposts have no transmission or distribution infrastructure, but they want electric lighting now, and they want it to be clean and affordable. Energy innovators are being called upon for quick solutions, and the victory will go to the swift, according to Majumdar.

Clean energy represents the ‘biggest business opportunity’ of the twenty-first century, Majumdar said, one that Bloomberg New Energy Finance expects to amount to a US$7 trillion investment by 2030. ‘The question is: Are we going to stand on the sidelines and buy all that stuff? Or are we going to innovate and make it and sell it to the rest of the world? That is the battle. That’s the fight.’

So how is it going on the battlefield? Are the energy innovators advancing? And will they prove that innovation economics is correct? Can we innovate our way out of today’s economic slowdown?

Towards the Heavens

Some are casting their gaze upward for the answer, very high upward — about 6700 metres where potential exists for space-based solar power or satellite solar. Not so long ago it seemed far-fetched that orbiting satellites could collect solar energy and beam it to earth. But now, the chase is on to master the technology by researchers in the U.S., U.K., Japan, India and China. If they succeed, solar satellites could become one of the most disruptive energy technologies yet. In theory they could collect solar energy 24 hours per day, with no interruption from weather or darkness, and provide the world with much of the baseload electricity it needs. Because there is nothing to block the sun’s rays in space, satellite solar panels could collect up to 25 times more power than those on earth, according to U.K.-based developer Orbital Power. Equipped with solar panels, the satellites would collect the sun’s energy, convert it to radio waves and then beam the energy to a collector on the earth’s surface where it would be converted to electricity and shipped to homes and businesses over existing transmission and distribution lines.

The concept has been around since the 1960s, but until recently has largely been dismissed because of technology hurdles and expense, estimated to be about five times that of conventional solar.

Roger Rosendahl, a partner at international business law firm DLA Piper, was among the early doubters. ‘Several years ago a client asked me to assist in trying to procure an agreement with Pacific Gas & Electric (PG&E) for a 5-10 MW power purchase agreement for an innovative satellite solar power project. I admit to being fairly sceptical. I dubbed the project "Death Star", which didn’t help on the marketing side. It didn’t go forward,’ he said. Rosendahl, who has represented several wind, biofuel and other energy projects, was particularly concerned that microwaves beamed to earth would evoke protests from California residents, despite assurances that the technology is safe. (California is notorious for its anti-development sentiment and has been a centre of protest against smart meters by those who believe radio waves cause health problems.)

Space-based solar is now widely considered to be a realistic prospect for the coming decades (Source: NASA/DOE)

Many people began looking at the technology more seriously after PG&E signed a contract in 2009 to buy 200 MW of satellite solar starting in 2016 from California-based Solaren. More recently, the International Academy of Astronautics boosted the credibility of satellite solar in the first international study on the technology. Published in August, the report says we’ll have the technology to build large-scale satellite solar in 10-20 years.

But cost remains a stumbling block. It is doubtful that private capital will materialise without significant government backing, the report said. The projects need low cost earth-to-satellite transportation, which is not currently available. The report envisions the technology becoming commercially viable in a step-by-step fashion, rather than all at once, first capturing funding to make space transportation economical before mastering a cost-effective way to operate a solar power plant in space.

Space solar also faces political and legal challenges, Rosendahl said. Enemy nations could potentially cripple any high-tech economy that is heavily dependent on satellite solar by shooting down satellites. Governments also need to consider what to do with the space junk once the solar satellites became too old to operate.

Given the obstacles, Rosendahl is sceptical that PG&E will be using satellite solar as quickly as it expects, by 2016. He believes it will be closer to 20-30 years before the technology is affordable. But he admits he’s become a believer: ‘I have to say, as science fiction and Star Wars as all these things sound, it is probably going to happen. When technology focuses, it tends to find solution,’ he said. ‘If it does become commercially successful, look out oil, gas and coal.’

Back on Earth

Solar satellites may become a reality, but not soon enough to have a near-term effect on economic development. Closer to home, the microgrid gets the vote as biggest near-term game changer by Al Malouf, a scientist and project manager at NineSigma, a company which helps industry innovate. NineSigma uses an ‘open innovation’ approach, meaning it taps into a network of about two million ‘solvers’ worldwide that might help a company in its technology pursuit. African utility Eskom is one of its clients. NineSigma is also assisting LAUNCH: Energy Challenge, an effort by NASA, USAID, the U.S. Department of State, and NIKE to find and develop 10 sustainable energy game changers. NineSigma works with distributed generation and microgrids, self-contained mini-versions of the larger electric grid that produce small amounts of electricity to serve nearby consumers.

Why does Malouf like microgrid? ‘The big grid is expensive and slow. If we look at the microgrid, it is a little more affordable, faster, and a little less risky for homeowners, office complex owners or neighbourhoods to install.’

Microgrid operations also avoid the problem of building large transmission lines to carry electricity vast distances, which is not only costly, but also evokes protests from landowners who believe the lines are unsightly and devalue property.

While microgrids are often powered with solar or combined heat and power (CHP), Malouf is looking at some new, small scale forms of generation. As REW goes to press, LAUNCH has yet to announce its winners. But Malouf provided a sneak peak. One winner is a small aluminium device that paddles in water and generates electricity for low-demand targeted purposes. The device is well-suited for irrigation canals and sewer plants; in fact, Malouf calls it a kind of windmill for a sewer line. It is scalable, may be up to 2 metres long and generates enough power to supply pumps for a sewer plant.

Another is a fuel cell-like generator that is especially well-suited for rural Africa, where people typically are not connected to an electric grid. About 80% of Africans now own cell phones. Charging the phones is difficult and sometimes requires day-long walks to an electrified village. The fuel-cell device, which looks like little more than a small box, takes advantage of the biomass ovens that many African households use to heat and cook. The box is placed in the oven, where the heat causes it to produce power, enough to charge a cell phone or lights.

The industrial countries of the US and Europe do not need such products, but the developing world’s vast population does. These inventions, if successful, could become a new profit centre for the developed world, which would act as creator, manufacturer and supplier for the vast unmet electricity needs of the developing world, gaining much-needed jobs in the process.

In the Garden

But getting the technology right represents only half the equation when it comes to creating game changers. Innovation in financing can be equally important. In fact, it was creation of the solar lease or solar power purchase agreement (SPPA) that spurred rapid U.S. growth in commercial solar during the last decade.

Such contracts do not address a larger problem in solar expansion. Not everyone owns good roof space or land for solar. Moreover, those who own property with strong solar potential don’t necessarily have an incentive to develop it fully. As a result, a lot of solar potential goes to waste. Building owners can only use so much energy on their property. Why invest in more panels than they need?

‘This isn’t a technology problem. It’s a financial problem, and underling that is a policy issue,’ said Lee Barken, a certified public accountant and practice leader for energy and clean tech at California accounting and consulting firm Haskell & White.

Virtual net metering or ‘solar gardens,’ now underway in about a dozen U.S. states, aims to correct the problem. Net metering allows utility customers to capture bill credits when their solar panels produce more power than the home or business uses. The utility, in essence, pays the customer for any excess energy their solar panels pump into the grid. The newer incarnation, virtual net metering, lets utility customers share those credits with others who may not have solar panels.

Typically solar gardens work by allowing people to pool their resources to install solar, much the way they might plant a community garden. The garden, or in this case solar panels, may not be in your own back yard, but it is communal. While members may not be physically connected to the panels, they benefit from them by receiving credits that lower their electricity bills.

Innovative financial models such as virtual net metering can maximise solar potential (Source: University Park Solar)

Solar garden programmes vary depending on state rules. Massachusetts, which is trying to increase its solar installations from the current 67 MW to 250 MW, allows solar gardens only between customers who are served by the same utility. In Colorado, members must be within the same county. Other states limit the kinds of customers that can participate. Connecticut, for example, only lets government entities take advantage of virtual net metering.

Why might solar gardens be a game changer? They give property owners a financial incentive to install solar panels that exceed the capacity of their building’s needs, encouraging maximum use of roofs or land with good sun exposure.

Proponents see store chains, municipalities, school districts and others that own multiple buildings as early adopters of virtual net metering, since they can use a solar installation on one building to help offset electric bills for their other facilities. In California, the first adopters have been apartment buildings, where tenants can all jointly share the benefits of solar.

The concept could also open up ‘urban infill’ to solar development, says Barken. These are parcels of land already disturbed in cities, but not usable for significant development.

But the vision for solar gardens is much larger. If states experience success with the small solar gardens now underway, they may allow more types of consumers to participate and expand the gardens’ geographic footprint. If rules eventually allow, building owners in solar-rich states might transfer or sell solar garden credits to those in less favourable locations.

Another approach may be to treat solar gardens like a subscription service; you might live in California and subscribe to a garden. Then when you move to another state, you could sell your subscription, and buy another in your new location, Barken adds.

While many solar advocates champion the garden idea, they also point out hurdles. Barken calls this ‘Prius effect’: people drive highly efficient cars or install solar panels in part to show the world they are green, but if you are part of a solar garden, your roof has no panels to display. ‘I think a lot of people will buy solar gardens because they can save money. But a segment wants to wave the flag. We’re going to have to think of a creative mechanism for them,’ he says.

Even so, such hurdles are surmountable, and the solar garden’s potential is enormous. ‘The solar garden can do in the US what the feed-in tariff (FiT) did for Germany. It could unleash a massive amount of entrepreneurial effort that opens solar for everyone, creates jobs and just explodes renewable energy opportunities,’ he concludes.

Innovation Everywhere

Innovators are exploring a wide range of other renewable resources, many with promise. Biofuel developers are increasingly refining farming and harvesting methods to reduce water use and bring down the cost of non-petroleum transport fuels. Many are exploring algae as a feedstock because it is ‘a petroleum that is being made fresh instead of fossilised’, said Riggs Eckelberry, president and CEO of California-based OriginOil. The company helps algae growers extract oil in a single step that both de-waters and breaks down the algae for its useful products.

Others are trying to increase solar panels’ efficiency. For example, U.S. company Magnolia Solar is doing so with thin film and nanostructures. Solar cells now absorb less than half of potential energy and the rest goes to waste, according to Ashok Sood, president and CEO. Magnolia Solar’s technology attempts to improve this by absorbing more wavelengths of solar radiation.

Meanwhile, high-tech companies are working on analytics to improve our understanding of how, when and where renewable energy performs best. For example, IBM is analysing the environmental impact of wave technology in Galway Bay in partnership with the Sustainable Energy Authority Ireland. New Jersey-based Petra Solar is a technology company focusing on ways to make distributed solar more reliable through smart grid, demand response and energy storage.

Others are looking at dye-sensitised solar cells; bacteria to produce biofuels with electricity and carbon dioxide; batteries that use high-energy fluids to store wind and solar power; and, increasingly, technologies that replace rare earth materials from China used in the permanent magnets found in electric vehicles and wind turbines.

The energy innovators are busier than ever. Will they spur a new round of international economic growth? The answer will probably come in hindsight, as it did with computers, the internet, cell phones and other technologies that we can now say were game changers.

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Richard Norman
Richard Norman
April 23, 2012
"As I said though, it's a very good bet."

@Maury - That I agree with.
(It was the "*cannot* work. Period. End of story." that I disagreed with.)
Anumakonda Jagadeesh
Anumakonda Jagadeesh
April 23, 2012
Maury Markowitz :

I am sorry you missed the point. I am a close follower of Developments in Renewables since 80s. What I meant is in the last couple of years there was improvement in cost reduction of Solar panels no doubt. But CSP and other improvements are expected to yield efficient solar in the next two or three years. After all the quantum of solar added to the Energy Mix in the world in general and in India in particular is minimal compared to the other Renewable Energy like Wind..

It is all public money that goes in to Solar Power in India. One should account for it in terms of power generation to supplement conventional power.

In the past in Wind Energy in India it happened. In their eagerness to avail incentives like depreciation (Till April 1, 2012, 80%) investors put Wind turbines in areas which are not windy in some cases. The result the same capacity wind turbine produces varying amount of power in some cases very significant.

I am for Renewables including Solar. When there are options to produce power more efficiently and at lesser cost these have to be followed since funds are very precious in developing countries.

Dr.A.Jagadeesh Nellore(AP),India
E-mail: anumakonda.jagadeesh@gmail.com
Maury Markowitz
Maury Markowitz
April 23, 2012
"In other words, are you positive that there is nothing more in heaven and earth than has been dealt with in your calculation?"

No, not at all.

As I said though, it's a very good bet.
Maury Markowitz
Maury Markowitz
April 23, 2012
Hello Jagadeesh.

"Does the present efficiency of solar cell makes it economical to put up huge solar plants"

Basically "yes", at least depending how much you pay for power. In Hawaii, for instance, everyone's doing it as quickly as they can because power from the grid is very expensive.

If you'd like to play with the numbers, you can use the technique here:

http://matter2energy.wordpress.com/2012/01/24/your-own-grid-parity-pv-system/

"Why not we wait for couple of years when the research currently going on will help to increase the efficiency "

Well I'll answer that one in two ways:

The silly way: Do you want an iPhone now, or in two years when it will be even better?

The more complex way: Most development in the PV world is taking place in universities and is not well funded compared to, say, nuclear power. In order for this research to continue, we have to buy the products we have now. That creates the market that drives innovation.

Since I entered the market only recently, the average panel has increased about 12% in output (from 230 to 260 Watts). That's purely due to changes in the production line, brought about by improvements purchased in order to fulfil larger orders. Similar changes continue today, and I suspect we'll see 300 Watt panels (60 cell) before long.

Much more importantly, during the last two years along, the cost for A-brand panels fell from $2.30 a Watt to $1.20. Almost 50% reduction. So the question is whether or not we need improvements in the base technology, or simply need to continue innovating on the production size.

I believe we are reaching the bottom of the curve now. That's because the glass in front of the panel, the aluminum frame around it, and the construction of the system now represents a significant portion of the cost. Even if silicon drops in price to zero, the panel will still cost about 50 cents a Watt. Flexible high-performance panels would break those limits.
Anumakonda Jagadeesh
Anumakonda Jagadeesh
April 23, 2012
Excellent article. Space-based solar is too early to think of.

There are big plans for Solar PV in India under Jawaharlal Nehru National Solar Mission.

Does the present efficiency of solar cell makes it economical to put up huge solar plants? Why not we wait for couple of years when the research currently going on will help to increase the efficiency considerable with organic polymer,tandem,gallium arsenide,gallium phosphide materials will be available. While most current solar cell manufacturing is done with crystalline or multicrystalline silicon wafers, the future of photovoltaics lies in development of inexpensive thin film devices and processes, and current candidate materials include amorphous silicon (a-Si), copper indium diselenide (CIS) and cadmium telluride (CdTe). There are two ways of making the project viable. One is reduction in cost of the cells and the other increasing the efficiency.

For the same investment in solar ,double the capacity of Wind Farms and biomass and biofuel projects can be set up. All over the world Solar Installations are far less compared to Wind.

At the end of October 2011 the Solar Power(SPV) in India was 120 MW while Wind power 15683 MW,Small hydro power 3193 MW,Biomass power 1097 MW and Bagasse cogeneration 1854 MW.
Apart from Solar and Wind there is vast scope to generate biofuel from Agave besides biogas from Opuntia in Gujarat. México is already leader in this.
There is huge area of wastelands in Gujarat state

Dr.A.Jagadeesh Nellore(AP),India
E-mail: anumakonda.jagadeesh@gmail.com
ANONYMOUS
April 20, 2012
There are lots of technological innovations that improve energy efficiency while being cost effective. Think about the hundreds of billions of dollars in fuel costs saved over the past decade by improvements in automotive engine & transmission efficiency, or by improvements in commercial aircraft turbine engines & aerodynamics.

As for the notion of space-based solar cells beaming power to earth cost effectively, that is silly. PV solar is not currently cost competitive in terrestrial installations. Putting PV solar panels into orbit would add around $8,000 per pound just for the launch costs. You would also need to consider the limited life of the panels in orbit.
Richard Norman
Richard Norman
April 20, 2012
So are you still happy with your '*cannot* work. Period. End of story.'?

In other words, are you positive that there is nothing more in heaven and earth than has been dealt with in your calculation?

In spite of having been shown that there is at least one potential improvement that addresses the main point of your 'less power' argument?

And here I thought that you were serious when you said "I'm all for people telling me I'm wrong". I'm not telling you that you are wrong (I am also a skeptic), but that your CERTAINTY is not justified.
Maury Markowitz
Maury Markowitz
April 20, 2012
'And the existence of ANY such improvements goes against the certainty with which you make your statement'

If you say so, but none of these exist.

I remain happy with my assertion.
Richard Norman
Richard Norman
April 20, 2012
You stated that space-based solar '*cannot* work. Period. End of story.'. And then you gave math based on current panels.

Regardless of the article, your calculations assume that future space solar will resemble current solar panels.

You now argue that few advances would help space-based solar more than earth-based solar.
Every problem that you have pointed out is an opportunity for such advances. And the existence of ANY such improvements goes against the certainty with which you make your statement.

I already gave an example that goes against the main penatly that you ascribed to space-based solar - a higher percentage degradation rate due to solar protons. You say that concentration would make it worse.
However concentration allows shielding the cells from solar particle 'radiation' because the cells do not have to be in direct line-of-site from the sun. There are also good reflectors of light that are poor reflectors of UV-C and shorter wavelengths which could otherwise cause 'concentrated' weathering, and concentrator cells are very durable for the remaining wavelengths.
This leaves non-solar radiation (cosmic rays). But although each cosmic ray track takes out more capacity proportional to the concentration, the target area, and hence the number of tracks, decrease proportionately to the concentration so these factors cancel.
In other words, concentration can help with the two degradation mechanisms from the sun and is neutral with regard to cosmic-ray induced degradation.
(And if we can get inexpensive mass in space (such as rock from an asteroid), then concentration can reduce the cosmic ray impact as well.)

Regarding baseload, nuclear and fossil fuels may be cheap today, but have their flaws (CO2 and radioactive waste, and finite fuel reserves).

I'm not arguing in favor of space-based solar - I'm skeptical myself. But the CERTAINTY with which you dismiss it ('*cannot* work. Period. End of story.') is unwarranted.
Maury Markowitz
Maury Markowitz
April 20, 2012
"A much bigger problem is that your calculation assumes that future space panels will resemble today's panels."

Not at all, the original article goes into depth on that topic. The problem for this approach to avoiding Maury's Razor is that it is almost 100% sure to work against you.

Consider some random advance in PV technology, say something like Alta's new high-efficiency cells. This advance improves both space and terrestrial collection. In that case, Maury's Razor continues to hold - the *relative advantage* is the same.

The long and short of it is that there are many advances that improve both, and a very small number that improve only one. That's not a good bet.

"leading to a LONGER life time than earth-based cells"

I don't think you've thought that through. The degradation is due to space weathering, which is measured in terms of flux. A single cell will suffer the same relative degradation as a panel of 60 of them (think about it).

Oddly, under concentration this is not true, and the degradation effect is magnified by the concentration level. With a conventional cell, the damage track of a cosmic ray (for instance) represents some small percentage of the cell area. Under concentration, this same damage track is a much greater effect in terms of "effective area". A single proton might take out meters of mirror.

So sorry, this doesn't help either.

"higher solar penetration would lead to base load requirements"

And this *absolutely* works against you. Baseload is already cheap and plentiful.
Richard Norman
Richard Norman
April 20, 2012
Maury - thank you for a well-documented post.
I do not know whether space-to-earth solar will be economical, but to categorically say that it *cannot* is unwarranted.

The problem is not your math, which is in general accurate, (although the paper you link to shows ~90% reception efficiency with transmission even higher, with versus the 50% combined that your that you math uses, and the solar constant is also roughly 50% higher in space than in Nevada).

A much bigger problem is that your calculation assumes that future space panels will resemble today's panels.
Suppose, for example, that a space-based system were to concentrate the sunlight onto a small active area of high-efficiency cells. A gossamer metallic reflector suitable for space wouldn't even survive on earth yet would be relatively immune to to solar radiation. The (relatively) tiny cell area could be shielded from solar storms and even the regular solar wind, leading to a LONGER life time than earth-based cells.

Also space the vast light-collecting area in space would not need cleaning, and tracking and mounting systems could be extremely light. And while right now earthly solar commands a premium because of its match to peak loads, higher solar penetration would lead to baseload requirements which earth-based PV does not provide.

Whether any of these factors will override the high launch costs of space-based solar is another question Almost certainly not at current launch costs of chemical rockets, but either electromagnetic launchers or a space elevator could reduce that penalty to insignificance.

So while there are reasons to be doubtful that space solar can be economical, to categorically state that space solar *cannot* work based on math using one example of space solar is going far too far.
Peter Lynch
Peter Lynch
April 19, 2012
First of all there is no HASTE at all. We are spending penny's on solar and other renewable sources and billions of dollars on
making better nuclear weapons (why does it need to be better??) and research (read - worthless R&D) into better nuclear power plants (they are uneconomic now and uranium is NOT renewable)

What we need to do is to get off the path we are on and start new on another road with new breakthroughs in renewable technologies - but this switching from "what is now" to what we need to do have always been hard for humans.

As Albert Einstein once said:

"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance but the illusion of knowledge…."
Phil Manke
Phil Manke
April 19, 2012
About that earth orbit solar collector idea; A 'power company' would love a grant to persue that money pit. Many obstacles. Some include space junk collisions to disturb orbits and beaming trajectories, which could fry undetermined areas on earth. I've heard there is allot of junk in earth space orbit. Polar earth solar towers may seem easier and cheaper than that idea. Cheaper than that is the idea of a national RES and required REC's with 'solar carveout' to incentivize terestrial solar energy production. I believe the various markets for hardware to produce distributed solar power would sort themselves out in quick order if the production of energy from these non-polluting sources were made profitable enuff to cover the cost of 'peaceful energy production' and the money to buy it. Much dis-information about this is spread and maintained by those who seek to keep their own market leverage privately maintained. This has spread to state and national politicos who's main aim is to 'perpetuate the past' structures of insider profit streams. (How would you say 'conservative'?)
For the cost of the recent 'bankster bailout' we all, in the USA, could have a dandy solar energy system on our home, or maybe shared in our neighborhood.
'The 'ego's' tolerance for pain is high, but it is not without limit'. So we will persue every false idea before settling on the one that will work. It's a choice we all must make.
Patrick O'Leary
Patrick O'Leary
April 19, 2012
James & Peter both have a good point. Not only are the tanks empty, but we are expected to keep filling them. We are also supposed to think that is the way to do things.

"2500 years of Solar Architecture & Power" is the sub-title of "The Golden Thread" whose authors names I can't remember right now. The point is that while we can't destroy information, we have lost it on a regular basis. The folks on the receiving end are just fine with that.

Futura Solar has submitted an "Unsolicited Proposal" to ARPA-E about a multiple solar benefit rooing system for low profile commercial buildings. A revival of sawtooth roofing, this system provides daylight, process hot solar air (with incidental air handling) and can host PV, SWH or PV/Thermal as well. We were asked why we didn't put the proverbial kitchen sink in there, but it's part of the domestic water system, so that will have to do.

Needless to say, siting and transmission are not issues. The roof is the array, the array is the roof and everything is directly over the business within the building, so the Utility of all that solar power is delivered directly to the consumer. Since it was and is going to fall on that roof anyway, we might as well use it, productively. If it reduces taxes as well as pollution, so be it.
Peter Lynch
Peter Lynch
April 16, 2012
James - you are correct.

To do the same thing over and over and expect a different result is the definition of "insane".

Another part of it, is this seemingly inherent quality of humans to think they know things they do not. To quote Albert Einstein:

" The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance but the illusion of knowledge…"
"
James Davis
James Davis
April 16, 2012
If those are think tanks, I think the tanks are empty. What happened to new and innovative? You cannot keep doing the same thing over and over and expect a different result. Choose something we have plenty of, like sunshine, and stay with it. These power companies that are making a billion year profit by overcharging their customers, could install solar panels that look like shingles or metal roofing on every home and business and store the extra energy in large liquid salt or gel storage batteries for use when there is no sunshine, or we need to charge our cars from home, and since their source of energy will be free after our current energy source pays for the insulation of the solar panels or the people buys them from the utility company, our electricity will be virtually free and never ending.
Maury Markowitz
Maury Markowitz
April 16, 2012
"Not so long ago it seemed far-fetched that orbiting satellites could collect solar energy and beam it to earth."

And it still is. I don't know how it is that this idea keeps going, because it's very easy to demonstrate that the ideal *cannot* work. Period. End of story.

http://matter2energy.wordpress.com/2012/03/17/the-maury-equation-redux/

I'm all for people telling me I'm wrong, but if you're going to do so, POST YOUR MATH.

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Elisa Wood

Elisa Wood

Elisa Wood is a long-time energy writer whose work appears in many of the industry's top magazines and newsletters. Her blog on energy efficiency appears on more than 100 sites and has been picked up by the New York Times and Reuters. She...
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