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MIT Research: Liquid Batteries for Utilities Could Make Renewables Competitive

By David Chandler, MIT
February 13, 2012   |   16 Comments
MIT team makes progress toward goal of inexpensive grid-scale batteries that could help make intermittent renewable energy sources viable.

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1 of 16
February 13, 2012
Hi:

Wish him luck...
If he can get a vacuum around it, SS evacuated shells etc.. the heat becomes a non issue other than the first start up...
If they can get the tech "slick" enough and enough economies to scale, it might make res. applications...maybe...
It depends on how much other "stuff" is needed to make a stable and relatively maintenance free product...

.....Bill
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2 of 16
February 13, 2012
Newsflash : renewables are already competitive.
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February 14, 2012
The article is really promising but suitably cautious. I agree with william-fitch-22587. One example of the sort of thing that may need to be dealt with could be thermal effects of charging and discharging.

There may also be a fire risk (rupture, ingress of water, natural disaster...). The smelting industry will know about that, but not every site will be suitable.
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Anonymous
February 15, 2012
The KISS principle at work. Hurry MIT, we need it.
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5 of 16
February 15, 2012
I have been running some tests on Nickel Iron batteries at NREL. Results just came in last week for first round of testing:

https://picasaweb.google.com/104255188670641218027/NiFeDischargeAndEfficencyTest?authuser=0&feat=directlink
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Anonymous
February 15, 2012
mbrandonwilliams:

What about cost & longevity?
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7 of 16
February 15, 2012
Vanadium Oxide liquid batteries have been around a long time.
Their low specific power is a problem, but the fluids are charged, and can be pumped and stored.

They are certainly going in the right direction.

Good luck.
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8 of 16
February 15, 2012
Hi:

Mbwilliams....
Wow.. Nickel Iron, I remember reading about them way back in the 70's as one of the promising up coming batteries...
Nothing main stream at least, ever 'popped' on them. If I recall, they have the potential for very long cycle life and decent power densities... I don't remember the down sides if any, other than the usual cost which are usually over come by EoS...
I think Eagle-Picher was the mfg of those...by memory...a long time ago...

.....Bill
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9 of 16
February 15, 2012
Hi Again:

Was looking at the link you provided...
Now I remember, alkaline based and low voltage (1.2V) per cell..
The low voltage per cell was an issue.. they are also know as Edison cells generally, as also marked in your picture...

.....Bill
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10 of 16
February 15, 2012
Bill, Thanks for checking out the info. I feel that you need to understand the project to find a battery that's the right fit. Ni-Fe is not the answer for every application, but the very long life and user-serviceable electrolyte make it a good fit for being a solar cabin battery.

Nominal cell voltage for Ni-Fe = 1.2
10 cells = 12V
20 cells = 24V
40 cells = 48V
Alkaline electrolyte of KOH and LiOH mixed into distilled water, hydroxide is metal preservative
82+% efficient, (we were not testing for efficiency),
With a 20+ year expected life, there is probably a place for Nickel Iron to supplant some lead acid battery systems.
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WFD
February 16, 2012
MBWilliams-
I notice your efficiencies are calculated as Ah discharging divided by Ah charging. However, isn't it true that when charging the voltage is higher than the voltage when discharging ? For example, if voltage per cell is 1.25 V charging and 1.15 V discharging, then the energy efficiency is further reduced by 1.15/1.25 = 92% and an efficiency calculated as 76% on an Ah basis is really 70% on an energy basis. Energy efficiency is more important than Ah efficiency for evaluating energy storage systems. Would appreciate if you would post the charge and discharge voltages (which likely vary with state of charge and/or the charging / discharging rate) and the integrated energy efficiency for the whole charge / discharge cycles.
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February 16, 2012
Again, way to early to know for this technology. The main virtue of this technology may be lifetime. I don't see an insurance company having high tolerance for magnesium at high temperature in anyone's basement - this might only be a utility scale technology. Other battery technologies have long cycle life but that isn't the only important parameter.

I have modeled most of the available battery based storage solutions and the following factors are most important:
- capex (well we all expected that)
- cycle life
- storage efficiency (discharge/charge)(strong factor)
- infrastructure (supporting technologies required and floorspace)
- maintenance

So far, advanced lead acid batteries take the prize (in spite of high maintenance). Surprisingly,the expensive ones yield the best numbers due to a combination of good cycle life and capex expressed as $/Ah. LA advantages include economy of scale and high charge efficiency; also, since the characteristics are fairly well understood, software algorithms for optimized performance are well developed. The most cost effective LA solutions do need some infrastructure - some simple fluidics - and ideally a stand-alone (outdoor) enclosure (0.04 $/kWh/day over 25 years); however, exemplary charge efficiency and $/Ah capex offset this cost. The next most cost effective solution is also LA (sealed technology) but nearly twice the TCO (0.07 $/kWh/day) - still good for very small installations; LiTiO appears to be a possible contender if/when this technogy matures.

Of note: operating life and charge efficiency can be optimized by managing storage in banks i.e. only using half the capacity at any one time facilitating charge/discharge cycle optimization (much more than double the cycle life and 4X time between service). This is a good strategy for low cost batteries but not for high cost batteries which consequently must be more tolerant of variable charging profiles.
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Anonymous
February 16, 2012
"The electric utility companies that would ultimately be the users of this technology, Sadoway says, "don't care what the stuff is made of, or what the size is."

Seriously, do you think that toxicity of materials or the amount of space used isn't a consideration?!? These ARE parts of the cost component, so clearly they are considered--by your own words: "The only question is what's the cost of storage" for a given amount of power."
All can agree that it costs money to dispose of chemicals safely and "space" is rarely "free"--land isn't being given away anymore--the west has been settled already.
Sadoway needs to do some recalculating.
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February 17, 2012
If the energy is the same to charge and recharge, that would imply that we get a 50% decrease in useable energy?
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February 17, 2012
Generally, the most important secondary characterisitics of storage batteries are safety, charge density and reliability. These become increasingly important with scale.

Since batteries store energy, there are always safety issues related to dissipation of that stored energy in some non-productive fashion. Even the ability to dispense a large amount of electrical energy rapidly presents electrical safety issues - DC arc faults and wiring fires being two dangerous events. Since conversion is always imperfect, thermal management is a common problem - overheating itself is obviously problematic while side effects such as loss of mechanical stability can lead to electrical faults that have no technical mitigation. Even LA systems have to be managed to avoid overtemperature conditions. Li ion is fairly expensive mostly because of the infrastructure required to maintain safety, not the cost of lithium. While carbon nanostructures are becoming a popular way of increasing charge density and/or reducing metal volume, carbon burns, so even this technology has it's safety risks. Toxic content is also an issue, particularly if there is a chance of a mechanical failure (see above) and moreso if the electrolyte is liquid and hazardous.

The current high runner utility battery application is QoS management. This typically involves installations in built up areas, possibly in underground vaults. Charge density is very important in this application as volumetric externalities are expensive. Also, since the raison d'etre is QoS,reliability is of extreme importance - or redundancy which is possible if battery cost is low and volumetric capacity is high.
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Anonymous
February 17, 2012
It's good to see technological advancements like this particular battery design. But as for reducing the cost of renewable energy, I still don't understand why that would be the case. Logically, since capital costs are by far the largest factor in renewable energy LCOE, wouldn't the additional cost of any type of storage increase LCOE, rather than reduce it?

I could see where these batteries might have an application as a form of buffer, but I can't see them being cheap, reliable or durable (up to 20 year MTBR) enough for large scale utility storage. Especially in comparison to other known methods such as pumped hydro or CAES.

A more cost effective approach would be to figure out a way to use wind or solar power locally as it is generated (maybe for things like industrial applications) rather than making it more costly by storing it.
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