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Chinese Tier-2 Modules Offered Below $1/W

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1 of 23
February 22, 2012
Prices at sub USD 1/W will match Wind power project costs. There is very good scope for hybrid systems - 5-10% Solar PV systems can be introduced for providing power to UPS, Auxiliray and Control systems. Cost /kWh for the combined system will come down even without any subsidy.
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2 of 23
February 22, 2012
10 years ago, our goal was to sell PV panels @ $1.00/Watt. Well, here we are in 2012 and I could not be more pleased. The only exception of course is the fact the US is not producing these panels at these prices and our government policies continue to block all efforts to sustain our juggernaut of clean power. We need to insist to our 'elected' officials to embrace solar and MANDATE Sustainable low interest funding or even better, MANDATE solar on homes and businesses as part of mortgage financing or refinancing. Our society is electric and environmental responsibility is the rule...
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3 of 23
February 22, 2012
I will save this article, as I my beginning in the Solar Energy Business in 2007, everyone talk about $1/watt was the target for the industry and achieving that will be the day when solar energy wil began to be cost effective.
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4 of 23
February 22, 2012
There is an ongoing investigation into China's pricing of panels sold in the US. Some early statements claim that China's true cost of manufacturing plus the cost of shipping should make Chinese/US panel prices roughly the same. Any price advantage that Chinese manufactures enjoy come from low interest financing.

The report should be released in the next few weeks.

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Chinese/US issues aside, this is great news. This price drop increases the areas where solar has reached grid parity.
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5 of 23
February 22, 2012
Hi:

What is not great is that their can be an uninstalled glut. These panels should be flying so fast through the channel warehouses that they can not even keep product around for 24 hours.
But here in PA all is well. We have natural gas well pads popping up everywhere. As I just wrote to a friend, "rape, rape, rape and the money flows". The land owners are to blame for making a deal with the devil (small "D"). What goes around comes around though.... People do generally make their own messes....

.....Bill
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6 of 23
February 22, 2012
Not so fast all of you Pollyannas...don't get too excited here. Note the real emphasis of this article is in the second paragraph about how this low cost situation is unsustainable and below the actual cost of 99% of the manufactures.

The exception was First Solar who makes the thin film "spray painted" type of industrial PV modules (which is having significant field problems / lawsuits of not making as much power as they were supposed to...) Add THAT to their cost and you'll see a truer cost. Just sayn'.

This temporary price war is well below the physical cost of raw materials and will not last. Really. Do a reality check with your economics textbook.
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7 of 23
February 22, 2012
Now hold on there Mr. PV Installer pardner, how do YOU know the manufacturing costs of raw materials? And who cares... What we need is grid parity and a sustainable financial model to keep you and I in business, creating clean, not dirty energy, i.e. oil, gas and coal. Simple as that, who cares??? All the incentives going to oil companies, gas companies and coal. It is time to transfer the wealth to us and BTW, why not distribute solar rather than these ridiculous solar farms. See Trina's new video "15 minutes." We want a clean electric world where we all share a drop in illness, elimination of pollution and eventually low costs to the consumer.
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8 of 23
February 22, 2012
If oversupply was the only thing working to bring solar under $1/watt then you would have a point. Might I share...

"High purity silicon (polysilicon), the key feedstock for c-Si modules, played only a minor role in this price collapse, as over 80 percent of polysilicon is sold via long-term contracts, and the pricing on these contracts moved little for most of 2011. However, oversupply in the polysilicon market pushed the spot price of silicon down from $80 per kilogram in late March 2011 to under $30 per kilogram in December, representing more than a 60 percent drop. This substantially lower spot price gave silicon customers (i.e., wafer manufacturers) the leverage to renegotiate contract pricing downward, and this will result in much lower realized silicon average selling prices (ASPs) in 2012.

Lower silicon prices in 2012 will likely lead to even lower c-Si module prices. Without any other improvements, a $30-per-kilogram drop in silicon price would save module manufacturers approximately $0.20 per watt, which could bring module prices below $0.70 per watt."

http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/polysilicon-prices-hit-record-lows-in-2011-will-head-even-lower-enabling-0/

That's well under $1/watt for silicon panels.

The present low cost will increase rate of installation and hopefully do something about the real pricing problem - intallation costs. We need some installation companies working aggressively to get those costs down.

When residential rooftop solar can be installed in Germany at $3.70/watt and average US costs run more than $6/watt something is wrong. We've either got too much inefficiency or too much greed at the installation level.
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9 of 23
February 22, 2012
I would rather give the greedy installers the dollars than give it to our "leaders" via a tariff. The installers will take their profits and hire more workers, buy new and better equipment and advertise the value of PV to their potential customers. I love the $0.70 cent per watt pricing. WOW... BTW, large scale projects using PPA's are going for about $3.50, at least with "safe harbor" in place at the time...
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10 of 23
February 22, 2012
Our installed PV costs for simple, common asphalt rooftops are running under $4 / watt right now. But Bob - you are right in that the majority of the cost of a solar PV system is now becoming labor / project management costs. There are currently many time saving fasteners and solar equipment advances being used. It just takes a long time to crawl up on a randomly different roof, lay it out, and put in the roof support structure (flashed, water proofing...). These steps take human intelligence, variable problem solving skills, craftsmanship and TIME. Solar is economic right now with a 4% ROI without incentives. Have people compare that with what they are getting in their savings account (0.5% ?)
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11 of 23
February 22, 2012
Sam - two other points: Raw costs are raw costs, are raw costs. There will be many PV manufactures driven out of business B4 this is over (even many Chinese). Raw costs are a business' backbone of existence. THEY care.

Secondly, our USA costs of installation of +$6 \watt is full union wages. Allow the independent professionals to compete and you'll see $4.
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12 of 23
February 22, 2012
$4/watt is getting closer to where installed prices should be. But if the industry average is 50%+ higher then there are still systemic problems. Your $4/watt is being averaged up by someone charging more like $8/watt.

I suspect higher prices are in areas where few installations are being done and efficiencies of scale have not developed. Or the few willing to do an installation will only do so if they can make a pocketful.

My point is that by getting panel prices below $1/watt there is going to be a lot more emphasis on making installation more efficient and less costly. Solar will spread to more markets and help rescue those who now have to pay enormous installation fees.

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We should reach a panel price point at which homeowner rooftop would be an income producer. Solar competes with some of the most expensive power on the grid. Pay homeowners the hourly (fifteen minute) wholesale price minus transmission costs. The most expensive peaker/outside purchase power will be forced out of the rate structure. Homeowners, utility companies and consumers will benefit.

Develop a "whole roof" system in which the roof is stripped down to the plywood deck and then entire slope is covered with materials with a 50-100 year lifespan.

(Common understanding of standing ridge steel roofs is after 50 years they might need a coat of paint. PV panels are going strong after four decades with no know "solar panel cliff" over which they fall after a number of years.)
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13 of 23
February 22, 2012
A quick note of clarification here...solar module prices of $1 are just one of the material costs needed for a complete solar system.

You will need $3,000 - $8,000 of inverters, $2 - 3,000 in aluminum racks and grounding / electrical supplies. Installers are not typically making a "pocketful" of margin here. We make money, need to , but please don't think that greed is the cause of high installed prices.
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14 of 23
February 22, 2012
If Germany can install for less than $4/watt and some US installers can deliver for $4/watt while the US average is above $6/watt there's a problem.

Those pulling the average up higher than $4/watt are doing something wrong, don't you think? Greed, inefficiency, or a combination of the two....

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$4/watt installed minus the 30% federal subsidy yields $2.80/watt cost to homeowner. If people could finance at 5% we'd be below $0.14/kWh. (Hello, federal government. You're loaning money to banks at almost 0%.)
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RM
February 22, 2012
Please remember Solar Moore's Law or Slow Moore's Law of 5 years
costs come down by 50% (1.5 years for computers ). You have seen change from room size computers to cell phones. PV will be just behind in same direction (lower costs, more use) as
fossil costs go up (diesel fuel at $4.00 - $5.00 / gallon). The war is one big reason (Iran).
Subway electric transit, power from electric either PV, hydro, nuclear, or dual cycle gas, or fuel cells is now gaining uee as gasoline is going to $5.00/gallon.
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16 of 23
February 22, 2012
I think a large issue with PV today is people are unsure of how it will affect the price of their homes. Many people will not be in the same home 20 years from now and they are worried their investment will be lost when the sold the house.
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17 of 23
February 22, 2012
A study of California real estate from 2000 to 2009 found that homeowner installed solar systems increased the sales price of a house roughly $5.50 per installed watt.

http://eetd.lbl.gov/ea/emp/reports/lbnl-4476e.pdf
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18 of 23
February 22, 2012
I was aware of that study but thanks anyways. The problem is that is only one state and does not mean that it applies to the other 50. I think a broader study would be very beneficial. Though I do think that is a good study to get some idea of what the resale value could be.
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19 of 23
February 23, 2012
do any of you know the price of solar cells? , right now you can get them at a wholesale price of 0.35$/watt(poly crystalline) so in this back drop i want you to do a rough estimate and see for yourself the production cost of modules in china does not cross 0.55$/watt, to say that this situation is unsustainable is based on bad information.
Dont fall for the false information fed by western media they want to kill the solar industry and keep the prices artificially high. All you have to do is go to a solar trade show in china and ask for quotes, instead of believing news in an article.
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20 of 23
February 23, 2012
"$4/watt is getting closer to where installed prices should be. But if the industry average is 50%+ higher then there are still systemic problems. Your $4/watt is being averaged up by someone charging more like $8/watt." Bob_wallace

1 word...lease.

Lease companys charge themselves more for the system they own, so they can get a 30% tax grant (when applicable) or credit (not as attractive to the lease company) essentially they can sell themselves a system at a price considerably higher than thier costs and get a 30% of a bigger number. That bigger number is what goes on record as the installed cost of that system. Leasing is a vehicle, but it is powered by tax dollars.

But it's a "bad deal" for the consumer. They may not know that at $4.00/W a 3kW system is $12k, they spend more than that on a car, some may even be able to pay in cash. "bad deal" is in quotes, because the lease isn't awful, it promotes business and may give an opportunity for an individual who can't affor or get a loan for 12K to get in the game. JUST READ THE FINE PRINT ON THE CONTRACT! Make sure the value proposition is right for you and know the exit strategy, from your home, or the lease, or the contract.
FE
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21 of 23
February 23, 2012
So you're saying that leasing companies defraud the government by jacking up the system cost on order to collect a larger subsidy check?

Wonder how long they will get away with that? I suspect the folks on both sides of the aisle would vote for legislation that closes that rat hole.

Then, for the customer, they pay the leasing company for the "20 years" it takes to pay off the system and they keep on paying for another 20 years if they want use of the system? If they purchased outright they would have a "20 year" payoff and then essentially free electricity for 20, 30, or more years.

What we need, IMO, is low cost government financing not unlike the student loan program. Tie the system to property taxes so that there's no extra collection cost and the loan is secured by the property title.
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22 of 23
February 23, 2012
RE "Are leasing companies defrauding the government?" Well - go into the California Solar Statistics database and do a regression, looking for a relationship between third party ownership and cost per watt. Seems there's a relationship.

But I don't freak out about it. Competition amongst the leasing companies will help clean this up, since the homeowner IS paying for it.

RE solar leases in general - As Brian said, watch the small-print. I'm still trying to identify a lease product that will allow early payoff for an honest amount...
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23 of 23
February 23, 2012
Regardless of the variations in pricing on a short-term, or month-to-month basis because of capacity issues, the long-term trend remains further reductions in module and BOS prices. The experience curve instructs us that for every roughly doubling of cumulative output, we'll observe a roughly 20-30% decrease in real prices in any given manufactured product. It started with railroad cars and steel, continued with semiconductors, is ongoing with solar pv, and will unfold in other areas like nano-technology. Hold on, we're just getting started.
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