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Germany Installed 3 GW of Solar PV in December — The U.S. Installed 1.7 GW in All of 2011

By Stephen Lacey, Climate Progress
January 12, 2012   |   11 Comments

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Anonymous
January 13, 2012
There are several other reasons why Solar is less expensive in Germany:

- no union labor needed for installaion
- no permits needed for roof top systems
- no complicated grounding regulations
- no complicated electrical code
- much less paperwork needed to get a system up on the roof
- Racking companies buy raw materials less expensive. In teh US you buy raw aluminum at teh price of the London Metal Exchange PLUS a MidWestern Transaction Price = add on of about 2-10% (changes daily).
- buidling codes are less conservative. The average system in the US is designed to a 90 mph wind at 3 second gust. Thats a major storm in European building codes. That has a impact on the structural design of racking and the system and with that on teh amount of material that goes into the system = higher price
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January 14, 2012
Hi:

That is really a disgusting statistic...

The USA is SOoooo ruled by the pump price...
It goes up and they become green for the day...
It goes down and its those annoying tree huggers...

No conviction for the simple idea of what is right VS harmful...

.....Bill
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January 14, 2012
This explanation by "anonymous" does not quite add up. 2% to 10% extra for metals in the mounting would only add a few pennies per watt, not dollars. Although there are exceptions, permits are on average probably not more than 20 cents/watt. And only a limited amount of union labor is used in small scale (under 100 kW) solar installations in the US. While we in the US certainly need to address permitting, paperwork, and codes, that will only close a fraction of the gap with Germany.

Lacey's article focuses on the average price of all installed solar, and does not mention that the German chart is only for solar projects smaller than 100 kW, with current installed cost of about $3.00/Watt (DC) in Germany. This compares to prices in California in Q4 2011 at about $7.00/Watt for similar size projects--a gap of $4.00/Watt. At $7/Watt, small scale solar electricity in the US costs 50 cents to $1/kWh if the cost of money is factored in and the federal tax subsidies are removed.

US solar installers do face additional barriers than in Germany, but also there is only modest pressure to reduce costs. Making solar PV more competitive with conventional energy sources is the best way forward for solar energy, and is one of the biggest reasons we need a feed-in tariff policy in the US.
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January 15, 2012
Anonymous seems to be very familiar with Schwartzmarktarbeit as it has developed in Germany. Perhaps more than half of residential repair, maintenance and small installations are performed by unlicensed workers, mostly eastern Europeans who are not unqualified for the task except by language skills. They work for cash and get the job done fast before anybody notices. Solar PV is quite easy to install, it is the rules and administrative requirements that really make it more expensive in the US.
Codes and standards? Of course there are codes which legally apply in Germany. Black market installations don't need no stinken rules. Typical large residential service; 100A 50 Hz 220/380V 3ph wye.
It is always important to get in a dig at labor unions. BTW 25% of the German workforce is unionized. IG METALL has 2,300,000 members. Legitimate German electricians are paid more than their US equivalent. More than half of the solar PV, measured in Watts capacity, is installed by union labor in the US and in Germany, mostly on large projects. The majority, more than 2/3, of all projects were installed non-union in both countries.
The German Feed-In-Tariff is a perfect FIT, no excuse for the pun, for development of an underground installation market. If the USA can only get rid of permit and administrative requirements and the current system of tax credits approved in advance, our underground economy could then really take-off.
I am an IBEW member with family in Kiel, Germany
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Anonymous
January 17, 2012
Since I do not see the usual gods making commnets; I feel safe to add my opinion.

Comment one is taget he needs the add the cost of the chemcials used; and source; from the earthor recycled chemical by products such as cadium. Here in the US that becomes a hazmat and under OSHA guidelines.

The weather factor is also very important; since all soalr insatllations add to the heat sink of the earth raising temperatures and increase the low level ozone levels; and did they take away green space? All will add to the cost over the years.

God teaches us to think befire we act and practices an teaches equality; all pros and cons must be looked at by all involved.
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January 19, 2012
You guys are way off base. German labor is not cheap (and they don't have a bunch of low cost east europeans installing most PV). They simply made a rule from the start that utilities must accept renewable energy. This forced them to simplify the paperwork, agree the standards, and review regularly and agree in advance on changes. This is called a mature market place. By the way, their new incentives are such that you get paid less for what you send to the grid than what you pay to buy energy - but you are rewarded if you use the energy you produce instead. This is forcing PV to get smarter and driving the need for storage. Say what you want about Germany, but they are organized, efficient, and leading the world in PV.
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January 19, 2012
Good article. FIT is the only rational incentive system. The experience curve has performed as expected and it is reflected in the pricing graph. In the US, we emphasize 'finance' issues like leases and PPAs. These incur additional overhead cost in addition to legal red tape and its associated costs. Maybe that's our real cost problem. What's amazing to me is the continued leadership role of the Germans in a panel market dominated by the low-cost Chinese. The Euro has the same exchange rate problem the US has but while we are suing the Chinese for dumping, the Germans just continue their momentum. What do the Germans know/do that the US doesn't?

Auf Wiedersehen.
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January 19, 2012
I would like to see an apples to apples price comparison to the customer before any incentives. If we take the Euros and add the German 19% VAT (Value Added Tax) and a Real Property Transfer Tax of 3.5% then convert from Euros to Dollars it looks like we are around the $3.50/watt area. In the US I can see a 100kW system going in for this price but not a 10kW system. There are no PV sales taxes or added property taxes here in MN...I believe it is that way in most of the US. Can we somehow acquire German PV quotes on a 100kW and 10kW simple roof mounted systems and do the conversions to dollars? It would be nice to see the data posted.

Please...someone submit the above requested data...thanks.
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January 19, 2012
The question for "Anonymous" is?
How many panels does he has in his home or business?
He is only a talker and now he wants to include "god" in the solar equation. Be a doer instead!
Auf Wiedersehen.
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January 19, 2012
The clear reason for this "disgusting statistic" is that Germany has a FIT and the U.S. has no policy at all - therefore an environment of uncertainty.
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Anonymous
January 30, 2012
Comment #5 is absurd. Especially:
[The weather factor is also very important; since all soalr insatllations add to the heat sink of the earth raising temperatures and increase the low level ozone levels; and did they take away green space? All will add to the cost over the years.]
"all"...So a solar PV canopy installed above a black tar parking lot increases the heat sink?!?!?! Yes, the solar arrays actually shade the parking from the sun. Most older roofs are also much more of a heat sink than any solar module attached above it.
Yeah, you forgot basic facts--thus your attempt at "logic" is pathetic.
And then you top off you pile o'crap with "God teaches us"...!? You must be painful to be around in the real world.
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