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Colorado's Energy Future: Local or Corporate Power?

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1 of 10
January 12, 2012
Wonderful. Let's dis solar exclusively. So many of the arguments presented depend on tangential rather than normal comparisons or seek to apply certain criteria to only a subset of all the options. There is also a lot of conjecture based on bad data and unproven facts. A good scientist will tell you what they have proven and what they haven't ... they wont 'warn' anyone about the dangers of something that they haven't studied as frequently claimed: at best they will present a hypothesis and as we know hypothesis are more frequently disproven then proven in real science.
With respect to the development of public lands including the reclamation of previously debauched public lands, the question is what use should they be put to not should a specific use be allowed or disallowed. One has to wonder why oponents of utility scale solar on public lands or otherwise and/or the construction of transmission lines for renewable energy are not equally opposed to any of the other energy production uses. Transmission seems to be a strange issue: seemingly quite happy with grid that carries electricity produced by coal plants more than 1000 miles to customers and pipelines that carry natural gas for thousands of miles to NG peakers but opposed to less ambitious infrastructure to support renewable energy. Fracking yes / solar no.
Personally, I find it annoying to read entire 'reports' full of hypothesis and polemic with no actual data points and no mathematical analysis. Worse, the application of anecdotal or single small data points to a general case. If you want to go there, I can provide examples of solar arrays in agricultural settings that improve grass crop production and IRRs that show that solar farms within 100 miles of LA will far outperform rooftop installs in central LA. BUT, I wouldn't extrapolate to the general case.
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2 of 10
January 12, 2012
GeraldR and others who are quick to react this way to establishing what is essentially 'economic and energy democracy'. You are obviously seeing this subject through a telescope rather than a wide angle set of binoculars.

These sentiments are similar to the criticisms leveled toward critics of WalMart and other giant retail vultures who have now effectively destroyed millions of viable businesses and with them the folks who owned them.

For some of these advocates of ever bigger,centralized and essentially monopolized business ventures,I would not be surprised if they advocated just one big corporate entity called ACME BUSINESS INC who owns.operates and supplies the vast majority of every consumer item on earth. Their argument would be that 'statistics have shown that it is more business efficient'. They would ignore the fact that with a little built in inefficiency in the business world the average consumer could also be a producer and not just another cog in the giant Neo-Feudal model envisioned by essentially modern day Kings and Queens. Economic Royalists as FDR called them.

Collect all wealth to a select few while the rest of mankind lives in abject poverty and squaller. Where the market for the Royalists products gets ever smaller but the high walls of their gated,socially incestuous 'communities' serve to protect them from the rabble just as the moats and drawbridges protected the Kings of old. That is until the peasants had had enough and lopped off the kings head.

I know. Hyperbole. Right?
Perhaps.
But history has shown time and again that unrestrained greed and a lust for ever more power and ill gotten wealth can only lead to the final destruction of those very same greedy sociopaths.

We now have Occupy Wall Street demonstrations all across this country and even around the world. Do they demonstrate for no valid reason?

Could the visionaries in Renewable Energy create our own version of Occupy?

Demand an energy democracy?

One can hope.
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3 of 10
January 12, 2012
Well, you almost have democracy. The biggest thing against it is your willingness to support the attack method for everything and to vote for the guy with the most expensive attack adds. When it comes to energy democracy, no one is stopping you from putting solar panels on your roof or in the yard except perhaps your NIMBY neighbor; no one is stopping your municipality from putting solar arrays on municipal buildings. Whether or not some corporation is putting up a solar farm somewhere else is irrelevant. All you need to do is invest some of your money. The average residential rooftop installation costs no more than the average new car. Go for it!
Coloradans have percapita GDP 11% above the national average. If they used 1/25th of that largess to purchase solar,they'd have 1.25 kWp per capita. Thanks to altitude and weather conditions, they'd make a lot of power.
We need renewable energy. Fact is, the build out in solar capacity in terms of Wp and capacity factor is dominated by large scale installations. This in spite of the fact that most large installations face large regulatory and political hurdles.
Our local municipalities have installed over 1 MWp on municipal buildings in the last 3 years.
'Here in the San Luis Valley, outside corporate and government powers have a different plan.' what an obnoxiously specious statement. You are not 'them'. You are perfectly free to make your own plans for your own patch of land any time. And, if you don't like what your government is doing, why did you vote for them?
And why slag Walmart? I've seen more solar and wind installations on Walmart stores than all the other big box stores combined. I suppose their solar panels are stealing your sunlight.
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4 of 10
January 12, 2012
GeraldR
Thanks so much for the stamp of validation on the statements I made on another post regarding the lack of critical thinking I see in so many citizens and voters.

It all went over your head didn't it?
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5 of 10
January 12, 2012
How could we leave out the community solar garden projects underway in the San Luis Valley? Community owned subscription model solar gardens are planned near the towns of Saguache, Moffat, and Antonito.

http://www.solargardens.org
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6 of 10
RM
January 12, 2012
CIT the MIT college equivalent here is California has PV solar
on the parking garage and fuel cells for night, too. Note
35 % electrical costs is transmission lines from plant to user
coal or not. 7% is line losses.
Parking structures with PV on top also has airconditioning value (no electricity with shade) in the summer. Now in 2012
PV electricity is in parity with the grid. A local church
on the way to my church has PV and they love it, and often go
watch the meter go backward for fun with no bills. It worked
for them.
I put a $50.00 $10.00/watt 5 watt panel on my sailplane trailer
(you need a one way diode so not discharge at night from the battery) and someone stoled it. Why invest if it is stolen.
Pres. Carter put PV on the White House and Reagan admin took them down.
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7 of 10
January 13, 2012
My point is simply, if you 'wanna' you will. If Americans spent as much on rooftop solar as they spent on big screen TVs in 2010, they would have added 3 to 4 GWp of solar capacity. In actuality, only 0.88 GWp of PV in total was added of which ~0.25 GWp was residential installations. Advocates of rooftop solar need to put their money where their mouth is. Jumping up and down claiming that anonymous big corporations are somehow preventing them from purchasing solar power isn't credible. To be fair, there are impediments including municipalities that have bylaws against it; however, regulation is a function of the government of the people (not any corporation). A second issue is ROI and there are impediments to achieving a good ROI including regulatory costs, tax grabs such as production taxes and questionable LDU pricing strategies. Again these are all things subject to regulation which is a function of the government of the people. On the other hand, those with a truly altruistic concern for the environment, will be unconcerned about the economics, especially since, as the TV analogy illustrates, personal solar is very affordable. As some have pointed out, individuals also have the ability to make indirect purchases; for instance, in most places you can elect to purchase electricity from renewable sources only at a slight premium on the rate, there are opportunities to invest directly in community scale projects, and of course you can invest directly in solar projects (last time I checked no one can stop an individual from participating in the markets).
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8 of 10
January 13, 2012
http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2012/01/germany-installed-3-gw-of-solar-pv-in-december-the-u-s-installed-1-7-gw-in-all-of-2011?cmpid=WNL-Friday-January13-2012

just read this, if you want to see how slow we Americans are in getting with the program
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9 of 10
January 20, 2012
@Jumping up and down claiming that anonymous big corporations are somehow preventing them from purchasing solar power isn't credible.

There are 3 major constraints to developing local solar in the US, all of which corporations have substantial influence over:

1) utility rules that limit the purchase of locally owned and generated renewables. In the real world, this limit is largely determined by Investor Owned Utilities;

2) strong opposition from utility, mortgage and banking corporations to progressive policies like feed-in tariffs (FIT) and Property Assessed Clean Energy (PACE) that help interested investors overcome the #1 constraint to local RE;

3) access to financing

Needless I say, in the US, Wall Street, and its revolving door representatives, make the rules. As for how much American's spend on big screen TV's (or beer, or just about any other consumer item for that matter) comparing apples to oranges is beside the point.

The more relevant comparison is the cost of energy. If it's a better deal to invest in solar PV over the long-run, but you can't get financing, or other things that artificially raise the cost (like utility imposed connection fees), these are real economic barriers.

These barriers have been overcome in countries like Germany, who has seen exploding solar PV markets since adoption of a robust FIT, as per the comment by steve-poppitz-157135.
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10 of 10
January 20, 2012
@JoyHughes

This is more of a "macro" picture of the SLV, but of course solar gardens are part of the plan, including the AgEnergy proposal, but only if Xcel expands on the 3 MW/yr. limit.
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