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Is It Time for California to Phase Out Nuclear Power?

By Tam Hunt, Contributor
December 6, 2011   |   14 Comments

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14 Reader Comments
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December 6, 2011
No one should be talking about phasing out nuclear until every fossil fuel power plant in the country is shutdown. Yes, nuclear is evil, but not nearly as bad as fossil fuels.
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fsc
December 7, 2011
I couldn't agree more. People tend to overreact to sudden bad events, such as Fukoshima, even when new occurrences of the disaster can be prevented (mostly) and are improbable to happen in any given year. Our nuclear power plants have functioned without harm for decades.
On the other hand, people underreact to slow moving certain catastrophes, such as climate change. More people avoid eating beans because it MAY make you fart today. Less people stop smoking because it will VERY LIKELY kill you tomorrow. Not that farting is good but it is not as bad as dying.
We should phase out coal first, then gas, and last nuclear.
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Anonymous
December 8, 2011
CA's 4 in-state reactors (in the 2 plants mentioned above) produced more than 15% of the electricity generated in state in 2009 (the state is a major importer of electricity, so this is different from 15% of total consumption). Nuclear reactors have high construction expenses and high decommissioning expenses but their running costs are quite low. Thus, the incremental electricity from these reactors is nearly free and it would cost ratepayers greatly to phase them out early. The cost to the environment would also be high because the shortfall in electricity would have to be met mostly by natural gas fired generation or by further imports. At a time when CA is making huge budget cuts and cannot even afford to house all of its prisoners it would seem to be shear folly to contemplate eliminating cheap, safe, and relatively clean nuclear power.
Steven
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4 of 14
December 8, 2011
Tim, Bruce, fsc: I agree. Nuclear power should be banned NOW everywhere ! Germany banned their nuclear plants in 1995. What do they know that we don't ?


Let me put the nail in nuclear power's coffin. As an ex-nuclear research engineer for GE, I know all of nuclear power's "dirty little secrets". The Fukushima disaster is
just one in a long string of accidents in the U.S. and elsewhere. Wait a few year and you will see the cancer rate increase by 300% in the civilians close to the reactor and even downwind as it happened downwind of the Chernobyl accident.
Nuclear is not economical. The rates are $0.15 kw-hr as
determined by the IAEA. Solar is now $0.07.
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Anonymous
December 8, 2011
Regarding warren2's remarks in comment #4:
The cost of new nuclear power is beside the point because these are already constructed reactors--the major costs are ALREADY paid. As for the claim that solar is "now $0.07" (presumably intended to read $0.07/kWh) perhaps Warren2 would like to provide some evidence for this claim--this is roughly a factor of 3 lower than traditional estimates (for example by the EIA). I'm inclined to believe Warren doesn't know what he is talking about regarding both solar and nuclear power. Certainly, comparing Fukushima to Chernobyl is over the top.
Steven
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6 of 14
December 8, 2011
The world is going more with SOLAR, Wind and Geothermal Powered Energy. The day of the need for Dirty Oil and dangerous Nuclear Power are coming to a end fast. The Freedom Element Living with Hydrogen That Dr. Addison Bain has showed the world will free most all of the need for the Power Grid and Oil CEO's.

The Lord's Little Helper
Paul Felix Schott
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7 of 14
December 8, 2011
Anonymous: Wake up and get the facts! I certainly do know what I am talking about.

Ec0-Engineers Corp., is in Phase I of constructing the world's largest 1000 MWe solar-hydrogen 24/7 power plant for San Diego.
Their selling price to SDG&E averges $0.07/kw-hr over a 24 hour period.


In 1980, a nuclear power plant cost about $1 billion. By the year 2010, the cost had risen to $8 billion with a 10 year permitting and construction timeline. In 2010, a new 1,000 MWE nuclear power plant was proposed for construction in The South Eastern U.S. The total cost was estimated at $8 billion and there were a number of investors involved. Later, the estimate was raised to $10 billion and several of the largest investors dropped out cancelling the project.


Dr. Warren Reynolds, CEO
Eco-Engineers Corp.
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fsc
December 8, 2011
Warren: What power plants are you guys building? I would like to research it. The $0.07 that you mention is the price. What is the COST without subsidies and taxes?
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December 8, 2011
In response to warren2, we should be putting real money into geothermal, but talk of canning nuclear should be put behind shutting down all fossil fuel power plants. Nuclear certainly has its problems, but in my mind it does not compare to the problems we are going to have because we cannot wean ourselves from fossil fuels.
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December 9, 2011
FSC: It is a new process for producing c-Si solar cells that is under going U.S. and international patent protection. They are very inexpensive with >20% efficiency.

Dr. Reynolds
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Anonymous
December 9, 2011
In comment #7 Warren writes: "Anonymous: Wake up and get the facts! I certainly do know what I am talking about."

Well, he certainly has made no attempt to prove he knows what he is talking about. Ballpark figures, from credible sources, for solar PV are ~ $0.20 /kWh (in favorable locations) and one frequently sees articles here at REW and other places making estimates of when PV will decease to grid parity. Warren claims that his company is already has well below grid parity pricing and has a " selling price to SDG&E averges $0.07/kw-hr over a 24 hour period." and refers to a " solar-hydrogen 24/7 power plant" suggesting that this includes some sort of hydrogen storage scheme. Thus, we are expected to believe that Warren's company has a scheme to yield very cheap solar PV, and can also provide hydrogen storage and the facilities to convert the hydrogen to electricity all for $0.07/kWh so that he can provide base load power. Usually when one makes dramatic claims such as this it is customary to provide some evidence; otherwise he should not expect to be believed. An additional question arises regarding this claim; even if his company could provide the stated technology, why would they sell their electricity for only $0.07/kWh when their nearest competitors are charging MUCH more. Unless you are some sort of Santa Claus, you would normally price your product so that you are the lowest bidder but NOT substantially lower. Perhaps Warren would like to provide evidence to back up his claims....
Steven
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December 13, 2011
Steven, even though PG&E and SCE often talk as though the capital costs are paid off for Diablo and San Onofre this is not really the case. There are periodic very substantial costs required to keep these plants working and safe. Both plants are also seeking relicensing soon, which will surely come with additional very hefty costs. This is why I wrote in my article that 'stranded costs' would have to be analyzed in detail before any decision is made to shut down CA's nuclear power plants. If it is the case that these plants will require $billions in additional investments to extend their lives (as is likely), let's look at the potential for investing this money, instead, in renewable sources. Many renewables can provide baseload power, including geothermal, which currently provides 5% of the state's electricity, as well as biomass, and solar or wind with storage. Storage costs are still uncertain because these are new technologies but it may be the case that storage costs for variable renewables cost less than extending the lives of these nuclear power plants. Let's urge state agencies to examine the issues in detail, as I suggest, and then decide.
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Anonymous
December 14, 2011
Tam writes in comment #12: "There are periodic very substantial costs required to keep these plants working and safe. "

The NEI estimates fuel and O&M for a nuclear power plant as costing about $0.021/kWh, which makes electricity from already constructed plants very cheap. The CA reactors are licensed past 2020 and will likely qualify for an extension of 20 years. The financial benefits of keeping these reactors running as long as it is safe seems pretty clear. In the short run, if these reactors are shut down it would expand demand for natural gas generation with considerable costs to ratepayers and damage to the environment. Furthermore, CA is a net importer of electricity and it should be striving to reverse that situation; cutting in-state generation from nuclear power would make progress in that regard almost impossible.

Tam also writes: " If it is the case that these plants will require $billions in additional investments to extend their lives (as is likely), let's look at the potential for investing this money, instead, in renewable sources."

I think the notion that it will take Billions of dollars to qualify for a license extension is extremely unlikely to be true. The original license term of 40 years was not based on the service life of the reactors so there is no reason to believe major renovations will be needed. 48 other nuclear reactors have had their licenses extended already. Did any of these require Billions of dollars in renovation work? I rather doubt it!

Steven
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14 of 14
December 20, 2011
Steven, I don't have time to look up the detailed history of CA nuclear plant expenditures but I urge you to do so. I recall that very large sums were spent not too long ago to replace steam engines and other retrofits, some time after initial construction. So capital costs seem to be an ongoing issue and I won't be surprised at all if additional billions are incurred in the relicensing process (if it succeeds).
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