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A Cleantech VC Unconvinced of Man-made Climate Change

By David Gold, Access Venture Partners
December 19, 2011   |   16 Comments

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1 of 16
December 19, 2011
Bravo. This cool-headed logical reasoning and the conclusion it reaches were the driving factors that led me to found my company, devoted to supporting renewable energy developers and producers get as much renewable energy into the mix as possible.

Let's not forget also, that whether or not anthropogenic temperature change is an immediate concern, other effects caused by carbon emissions - such as the dramatic acidification of our oceans - ARE immediate concerns.

The author is an excellent example of how we all need to calm down with the zealotry and start thinking about our long term goals as a species.
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2 of 16
December 19, 2011
He is correct that predictions of climate are hard to make. However, his statement:

"the large natural forces on our climate that include sun spots, variations in the earth's orbit, and volcanoes all of which have not been taken into account"

leaves much to be desired. From the little that I have read, climate scientists have taken this into account to explain what is happening now. Can they extrapolate that to make predictions? Probably not in that they cannot predict when a volcano is going to erupt. From what I have read, we should be in a cooling trend right now due to variations in the Earth's orbit, but man's activities are overwhelming the Earth's feedback mechanisms. From the people I have talked to, I find most believers in AGW to be far better informed than the deniers.
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3 of 16
December 20, 2011
The Wikipedia article that the author links to support his claim that "There are large numbers of reputable climate scientists who remain unconvinced." actually shows the opposite.

First, most of the approximately 40 scientists on the Wikipedia list are not climate scientists, but rather a motley collection of astronomers, physicists, chemists, etc.; perhaps about a dozen would qualify as climate scientists. Furthermore, a number of these scientists actually accept human caused global warming, but doubt that the effects can be accurately modeled or predicted.

Second, the chart in the Wikipedia article indicates that 97% or more of actively publishing climate scientists accept the standard view that global warming is real and is caused by human activity. Two studies in the footnotes of that article indicate the exact same thing. One study that surveyed over 10,000 earth scientists in the US had over 3000 responses; it found 2 or 3 actively publishing climate scientists out of about 70 that did not agree with the proposition that earth's climate has warmed and that human beings had contributed to this. The other study looked at 1372 climate scientists and again found that about 3% --roughly 30 to 40 out of the 1372-- did not agree with the fundamental tenets of AWG. This hardly qualifies as "large numbers of climate scientists." Furthermore, both studies also found that the few climate scientists who do not accept AGW are the least published, least cited and least expert people on the subject of climate change.

In fact, the concept that human beings are warming the planet is not even controversial among experts on climate change. This non-issue is invented by self-appointed climate "skeptics" who are with very very few exceptions far from being experts in the subject.
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4 of 16
December 20, 2011
@rfreeh

There are other issues to be argued besides whether AGW exists:

#1 The Amount

The actual number for climate sensitivity directly attributable to CO2 (a doubling of CO2 levels) is 1 degree C. You can also find this fact quoted in wiki. At the current level of increase (2ppm/yr), it would take 200 years to see a 1 degree increase in global average temperatures. This is far from the 6 degrees this century that some global warming alarmists are warning of.

#2 The Effects

It can be argued that a small amount of warming is beneficial to human existence. It is also a fact that increased CO2 levels increase plant growth, therefore producing larger crop yields.
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5 of 16
December 20, 2011
@John-Bronson

Yes there is discussion of that, and I doubt either of us is qualified to say who is correct. However, overnight lows in Hinckley, MN in January are 7 degrees warmer than 40 years ago. Pick up a phone book and start calling people in the interior northern tier of states until you have talked a few 'mature' adults. Ask them what winter is like now compared to when they were growing up. We have not doubled our CO2 level, and winters are drastically different, and it is not my imagination. Since neither of us is qualified to know what the effect of doubling CO2 is, I would prefer to err on the side of caution. The laws of physics are much less forgiving than the laws of economics.
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6 of 16
December 20, 2011
I think you guys are completely missing the point.
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7 of 16
December 20, 2011
v-bruce-stenswick-62270 wrote:

"overnight lows in Hinckley, MN in January are 7 degrees warmer than 40 years ago"

And I'm sure the residents of MN would rather have it even warmer in January than it usually is! My relatives in MN, and ND, don't generally complain about how warm the winters are getting.
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8 of 16
December 20, 2011
@John-Bronson
The point isn't that they like having it a bit warmer, the point is that if we do nothing, then 40 years from now it is another 7 degrees warmer, and 40 years after that another 7, but at that point in time we won't be complaining about the weather, we will be complaining about all the refugees from the coastal regions who got flooded out, and may or may not have any money since their homes were flooded. It sounds like a game of Russian roulette where the only winners are the current owners of fossil fuels. I am sure the above argument will roll off the backs of many people, after all there are people who do not fix the leak in the roof when it is sunny because there is no need to fix it, and they don't fix it when it is raining, because, hey , it is raining and they'd get wet.
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9 of 16
December 20, 2011
@mafuba
What point? That he publishes a well written article with misstatements to sooth everything over?
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10 of 16
December 20, 2011
@v-bruce-stenswick-62270

The point is that humanity can bicker all day about AGW and how "real" it is, but in the meanwhile, fossil fuels are becoming more scarce and causing economic hardship and war, while still polluting the planet on a grander scale than any other source.

Also, while people argue about temperature changes, humans are affecting the planet's carbon cycle in a very real and measurable way, which can affect all life much more drastically than a few degrees of warmth and rising sea levels.

The point of the article is that humans need to be smart and move as quickly as they feasibly can toward renewable energy, regardless of beliefs about AGW. And here in the comments, people continue to bicker about temperature changes. It makes me a little sad.
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December 21, 2011
v-bruce-stenswick-62270 wrote:

"the point is that if we do nothing, then 40 years from now it is another 7 degrees warmer, and 40 years after that another 7, but at that point in time we won't be complaining about the weather, we will be complaining about all the refugees from the coastal regions who got flooded out, and may or may not have any money since their homes were flooded"

The 100 years of the 20th century saw .7 degrees of warming. Not 7 degrees, 7/10 of a degree. For the first 12 years of this century, there hasn't been ANY warming. What we could see by the end of the 21st century realistically is another .7 degrees. By then, we won't be burning fossil fuels, so the issue will be moot.

The transition from fossil fuels to RE is going to take several decades. Anything less is simply wishfull thinking.
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12 of 16
December 21, 2011
@John
The seven degrees that I referred to is the change in overnight lows in January in Hinckley, MN, 1960-1967 versus 2000-2007. I dug this information up to make sure my mind was not playing tricks with me. I originally did this for the Minneapolis-St. Paul airport, for which the figure is 9 degrees, but 40 years ago the airport was on the outskirts of the metro area whereas now the metro area has grown up around it. That would appear to point to a heat bubble over the metro area. If there is a heat bubble over Hinckley, MN, it would be a fraction of a degree.
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13 of 16
December 24, 2011
mafuba... Thank you. Your point is dead on with respect to the purpose of my post.

It has been just the type of reaction to anyone who questions the "certainty" that AGW exists (or does not exist) that we see here that caused me to write it in the first place.
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14 of 16
December 27, 2011
You would be a perfect match for VP and E they are anti conservation and at the same time produce solutions which make them the most conservative just from the notes that have come out of the university they are doing test which although I don't agree with the analysts term of disruptive technologies I prefer to think of them as paradigm changing as if there wireless power transfer system shows promise as there NEB home system has combining the 2 with the other systems in there quiver you will have homes that are both storage and providers of electricity without need of transmission lines so no brown outs and potentially a global energy provider which would be a global energy company which as the analyst has said could be the early stages of a Facebook
of energy...
Mark the only contact number I have is: vp_e@live.com if you want I can contact them for more info
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15 of 16
December 27, 2011
Hi:

Well, I find the authors 'attitude' in line with better business, I.E. the business of money. If you want to be perceived as logical and a clear business head, distance yourself form 'religion' and politics, at least ostensibly.
As far as the absolute cause of climate change, man etc.. and can not know for sure attitude, I know the author will be dead some day, yet I can not say when or the manner of, but I know it is a certainty.
If mankind were smart from an intellectual perspective, he would be hording all the FF's he can for a day when RE may be on vacation for awhile. It is only a fool who spends his entire paycheck on the weekend or expends all his ammo in one battle, and takes the attitude that there is always more available down the road.

.....Bill
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16 of 16
February 28, 2012
Great perspective on green-tech. I have long had a similar view regarding the multitude of good reasons to have a sustainability revolution besides diving into the rocky seas of global warming debate.

I do have one issue with your logic, however. As a mechanical engineer, you must be familiar with finite element analysis. If so, you recognize that the finer the mesh, the harder the calculations are to do. Predicting weather has to do with quite a fine mesh, doesn't it? Predicting climate change would require only a coarse mesh in both the time and space dimensions. To me, this means predicting climate is actually much easier than predicting weather.

This has to do with your statement: "We can forecast the weather a few days out with reasonable accuracy but if you try predicting next year's summer temperature — let alone long-term global climate conditions — things fall apart quickly. Long-term climate models are anything but accurate."

Thanks for your consideration. Hope this helps. I do want to put a stop to that weather prediction presumption wherever possible. Again, I agree with your motivation for the article. We certainly could do with more awareness about all the certain impacts of those not being responsible for their impacts and bring about clean technology fast.

Cheers,
Tad
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