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Wind Electricity To Be Fully Competitive With Natural Gas by 2016, Says Bloomberg New Energy Finance

By Stephen Lacey, Climate Progress
November 15, 2011   |   8 Comments

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November 16, 2011
Dream on.
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November 16, 2011
In the 1930s, there were dreamers too. They provided public power with the hydro power system on the Columbia river. This was done with public dollars and today there are few who criticise the system. Today we are seeing private companies, with the help of the production tax credits, install thousands of MWs of clean power. It too will look good, in retrospect.
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November 16, 2011
Hydro works. For the most part wind doesn't.
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November 16, 2011
Hydro is a teriffic resource. Do you see any new hydro electric dams in our future? Small ones, maybe. So I guess you could say hydro doesn't work, at least today.
If one was able to build a hydro-electric facility today, it would cost more than you can imagine. The environmental hurtles would be immense. Dams are being removed today because of the cost to retrofit for current license requirements.
Wind and Solar are getting far more cost effective and that was the gist of the article. A state of art wind turbine sitting on the same site as a 5 year old turbine will produce more KWs by a significant margin. This is good and I will continue to dream of improved efficiency.
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November 17, 2011
I would love to see the actual trend data used in this analysis. Does this evaluation assume an extension of the PTC for wind? If so, how does the analysis change if the PTC expires given that it may cause an increase of as much as 40% of the PPA price for a wind project? Moreover, if the anticipated decline in wind costs is as steep as they project, then perhaps the argument for the PTC goes away.
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November 17, 2011
The report refers to power when it means energy, if Justin Wu does not know the difference, he should be replaced. Wind turbines generate energy measured in MWh. For wind energy to provide power on par with conventional power sources it needs energy storage, which is erroneously refered to as Power storage.

The combination of energy storage coupled with wind energy provides power, measured in MW, that is on par with conventional power sources. Energy storage that can effectively store enough to stabilize wind energy into resembling conventional power sources is nowhere in sight.

Until energy storage is available, the report is misleading and suffers from the proverbial comparison of "Apples to Oranges".

It's not the subsidies that fuel wind energy, it's the mandates which the report fails to mention.

The market for wind energy will crumble when the mandates are removed unless, storage is developed that can produce competitive power which may not happen until we run completely out of fossil fuel.
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November 17, 2011
Lots of words; not much data. Show me the data and the assumptions.
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November 17, 2011
ChrisKapsambelis, to be fair, the original Bloomberg article does refer to reductions in the LCOE and does not mix power with energy as this article does. It is the RE World article here that takes portions of it out of context and causes some of the confusion. The reductions in the turbine costs combined with reductions in maintenance and increases in operating efficiencies all lead to the declining LCOE cited in the Bloomberg article. But, teasing out the relative contributions of each factor is difficult and the Bloomberg article is of little help in that regard. We did see essentially a step decrease in wind energy prices in 2009-10 that has persisted in 2011 but much of this may be due to the economy being in the tank which impacted the market dramatically. Think back just a few years ago when turbine prices sky rocketed due to steel shortages. So, looking at the bottom line impact of, say, PPA prices offered for new projects is interesting but cannot be the whole story without looking at the underlying causes. And, as I mentioned above, I would still want to see the PTC assumptions used in the analysis not to mention the assumptions about the future price of gas against which an LCOE comparison must inevitably be made. Keep in mind we're also talking about comparisons of new builds across the board. If the declines in LCOE due to all of the other factors are sufficient, then the question becomes whether or not wind could be cost competitive in a few years without a PTC extension. That could be a very interesting discussion, for if wind technology and costs have sufficiently improved, all of the hand wringing over the impending PTC expiration could be for naught. All of which is why I really want to see the data used by Bloomberg.
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