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Solar Intermittency: How Big is the Problem?

Siah Hong Tan, Contributor
November 01, 2011  |  34 Comments

Intermittency is one of the major criticisms of solar — the majority of the energy is delivered when the sun is shining brightly, but virtually none is created at night or in substantial cloud cover.

How do solar developers view this issue — does it pose a huge stumbling block to current projects, or is it something that has been effectively managed? I spoke with two gentlemen, Martin Hermann, CEO of 8minutenergy Renewables and Paul Copleman, communications manager at Iberdrola Renewables, to find out more. 

Are there specific technologies used to deal with intermittency? Surprisingly, neither developer implements storage technologies on-site because there is no need to do so.

In fact, it seems that solar technology has already occupied a niche where it can thrive without a storage solution. 

Copleman explains, “[the] integration of significant amounts of intermittent generation is entirely feasible with the existing grid,” due to the “ability of the grid to respond to changes in generation levels in real time using the existing generation and transmission system.” Thus, on the supply side, the technology is feasible, and solar can fit into a niche market. “Solar PV’s production curve is aligned with the peak demand during the day and therefore helps to shave the peaks within a utility’s generation profile,” said Hermann.

In fact, even without storage technology, the PV intermittency seems to be effectively managed at current project scales. Mr. Copleman stresses the distinction between intermittency and predictability: “It’s important to understand that while solar is intermittent, it does not have a random generation pattern. Solar resource is very predictable, which makes grid integration less of an issue. Additionally, forecasting solar resource on a day-ahead and hour-ahead basis has a high accuracy factor.”

Besides having a predictable generation pattern, other measures are being used to tackle the problem. For example, Iberdrola is “evaluating its wind projects for where a co-located and co-interconnected solar project would increase capacity factor as well as decrease sub-hourly intermittency.” Also, project screening avoids locations where intermittency becomes a substantial issue for the system. 

While both gentlemen state that intermittent power is not a short-term problem, they agree that it would become an issue in the longer term. This would happen when solar finally moves from its current niche as a supplemental resource and transitions to become a firm, baseload resource. “Locating 1,000 MW of PV on one transmission line will clearly be more difficult to integrate than 1,000 MW of PV spread across multiple distribution and transmission lines and across a broader geographical area,” said Copleman.

Current researchers and developers of storage solutions should pay attention to two different milestones that would be game-changers in the way solar energy is utilized today. The first milestone, at three to five hours of storage, “will allow a precise overlap between the PV production curve and the demand peak of a particular utility,” said Hermann. “The second milestone, at 20 hours of storage, will enable PV to work as a base load resource.”  

Both solutions must be cost-effective though, as they will compete directly with traditional base load resources like LNG and coal. Once these milestones are reached, solar energy is set to transform the world in a much greater way.

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Marijan Pollak
Marijan Pollak
November 6, 2011
We would of course invent new enegy resources, and one such was invented by my countryman Engineer Nikola Tesla, who discovered ways to collect or transform UKW emmisions comming from Sun to Earth and drive his electric car back there in 1938. One day somebody would rediscover same thing, it is considered that half of problem is solved if one just know something is possible.
I also have some ideas but it would take much more research and this of course need funding in first place.
But right now we have to stop and rewerse Global Warming process, and this could be done with my WindSolars. For one thing part of sunshine would be captured and transformed into electricity instead of heath, part would be used by plants in built in Greenhouses, which would also recycle some of surplus CO2, and with so cheap electricity electrolising CO2 would permanently remove it from athmosphere, while producing usable and marketable products: electrographite and oxygen. Since my Solars use graphite, there is ready made market for it, and oxygen can also be sold, or released to athmosphere where it would mend Ozone Layer.
With cheap electricity I can produce water from air constantly and on agricultural scale so crops would not depend on rain, wery usefull in hot and dry climate like one in Africa. That can increase food production and also recycle some of CO2. Water can remove problem of thirst and continuous process can prevent outpours of rain, thus floods and mudslids also.
Of course efforts for better use of available energy should continue.
Now as I wrote in the beginning, my WindSoars solve problem of intermitency in use of both Wind and Sunshine, as redundant Solar Concentrators could harvest and store energy for rainy days just as easy as for night time. Just greater enegy storage is needed, and since it is underground and insulated, greater storage require just deeper hole and more salt.
I just need small financial support, but nobody believes me, asking proof first.
Marijan Pollak
Marijan Pollak
November 6, 2011
Ugh, I wrote exactly 2000 characters and my commernt disapeared.
Well, since You answered me in the meantime I have chance to answer You.
In regard to energy storage, to be able to solve intermitency problem in harvesting energy, we have to have it. Molten Salt is already used in Spain and US and countries where US has exported such Solars like South African Republic - 21 such Solars.
Unfortunately this system use mirrors and has thermal storage on the pylon in the air, so they cannot keep energy harvested (with big loses since they heat walls of thermal storage from outside to melt salt inside) because hot walls are constantly cooled down by rising of hot air near thermal storage walls.
I cannot agree that one can compare molten salt system where salt is not spent with batteries that has to be replaced now and then and are expensive to produce, deplete natural resources and produce poisonous waste (at least in case of Lithium bateries).
In regard to future energy resources, I invented also new Geothetmal PSs, but for this still greater funds would be required to make the prototypes.
As I wrote in text that dissapeared, my turbines have NO blades, use all Kinetic Energy that enter them by producing air jets which turn turnine using force of reaction.
I contacted companies from India and they asked me "Why rich Europe do nor invest in such inventions, India is poor country", and when I contacted German companies, they were surprised why Croatians do not invest such small money, so they suspected that Croatians knew something they do not know, and also refused to support development of my turbines. I contacted Mr. T. Boone Pickens trough some US engineer, but he also asked for Proof Of Concept.
In regard to resources, since my turbine can use 5m/sec wind, locations for wind use increase 20 fold. Sunshine is also almost everywhere available.
Surely You know that just energy from Sun comming to earth is million times greater than what our civilization need.
V G SHENOI
V G SHENOI
November 6, 2011
Hello Henrik,

Well done - each part of the system needs to be assessed on merits.

Wind turbones - the airfoild are well developed - there are standard profiles which have been tested exhaustively. There are number of permanent magnet dynamo or alternator designs, even variable frequency devices - these have been developed for many years.

You mentioned molten salt storage - yes storage would be useful but for small systems, simpler the better design. For stand alone applications - battery/inverter systems are well proven and cost effective.

Small systems would be quite useful - as you say in farms, small households, et, if you are too bothered about security and quality.

If we are however discussing a total replacement to the world and national systems - one is talking about a huge demand/supply chain. supply and political security, etc, etc.

Different discussion - not sure if the renewables potential worldwide with or without storage is adequate to meet demand at our present rate of consumption. The limit is not of intermittancy or technology but of resources. I suppose future generations will have fid their own solutions and our experience todate may not be that useful for them.
Marijan Pollak
Marijan Pollak
November 6, 2011
@ Boonkim,
You are partialy right about Nikola Tesla, he was from family of Serbian origin, yet I do not say he was Croat, but that Croatia vas his homeland because he was born there. FYI we have about 60 different nationalities in Croatia beside Croats, and I myself am just 1/4 Croat if I look countries of my grandfathers and grandmothers, and it is only from Grandfather on my mother side.
I still consider myself to be a Croat since I was born in Croatia, as was my mother and grandfather.
Yes, I have built the prototype of my turbine (only 30cm in diameter, using SHIMANO AC generator for bycicle that produce 6V/3W of electricity) and it produce 2W of electricity at 5m/sec. wind speed, as was found out in the Wind tunnel preliminary testing, where standard turbine with 3 blades of that size/diameter would produce 0.5W if proportional to big capacity models and with same shape of blades.
Unfortunately since I have no money and official testing is costly I cannot get results officially, signed by some 2-3 PhD. persons to make it believable to rest of engineering and scientific community and therefore for investors too.
I am also sure that results would be still better by at least 50% if turbine was not hand made by me from scrap parts or outright garbage. It is because of hand assembly that few things are not optimal in shape or size, but it still work.
There is CFD simulation made too, but results are "too good" so everyone dismiss it, even if I have theory which can explain some anomalies noted and "impossibly good" results of 220% energy production compared to amount of kinetic energy that could have entered turbine normaly. But it is advance of kind to have any CFD simulation made, where some authorities on subject of WindPower Stations proclaimed that such CFD simulation is not possible to be made.....
In regard to connection cables, transformers, and other stuff, that is same as with contemporary models, and it is additional cost in any case.
V G SHENOI
V G SHENOI
November 5, 2011
Lovely idea Henrik14 - I thought ?????? ????? was an ethnic Serb from Smiljan. I am sure if you build a prototype and test it there will be venture capital if it is any good. 1 Euro per MWhr seems a bit low even for the connecting cables even if wind and sun are free. But you know better.
V G SHENOI
V G SHENOI
November 5, 2011
Great larryofgalaxy - the rest of us live in the real world which is imperfect - full of historic buildings without the latest insulation and heat recovery systems, we don't have the money to demolish all the buildings and rebuild overnight to your spec, etc, etc.

In the real world you need capital - and that is money today - not money tomorrow - and so far mankind has been living on savings and then on future income which is also evaporating - if you have a magic wand to do an instant flip-over to the perfect world where the second law of thermodynamics does not apply - let us have it.
Marijan Pollak
Marijan Pollak
November 5, 2011
I invented WindSolars, combined Wind and Solar Power Stations that would be able to work 24/365 based on molten salt thermal storage. System would NOT require any form of backup, be fail safe two ways and could deliver twice or more electricity at peak consumption periods during the day.
Cost per Mwh produced, under 5 Euro, in mass production, under 1 Euro. No "Land footprint" because of built in Greenhouses.
Working with wind from 5m/sec without need to stop even in strongest wind. Under standard conditions capable of producing 4 or more times greater quantity of electricity.
Inexpensive Solar concentrators enable great redundant capacity cheaply. WindSolars would use no electricity for their own work, unlike contemporary models of WPSs and Solars. No need for water in desert places to clean mirrors. Able to work on or off Grid.
You know what?
NOBODY is interested to even try to help to develop prototypes.
Investors say "Too good to be true", engineers say "impossible, there is Betz Law which limits efficiency" some others say "it is so simple, ANYONE could have invented this, therefore there MUST be some great fault, else it would be in use long way back".
People who would be most interested (Like Mr. T. Boone Pickens, Mr. Obama and others that want to stop Global warming process) cannot be reached, specially since I am not US citizen..
My WindSolars could be scaled down and built into hotels, hospitals, office buildings, factories, skyscrapers, etc.
Capable of payback in just 8 months completely.
What Else could there be?
Cheap electricity from captive plants for factories could make any production that spend electricity in great quantities cheaper while making greater profit, more affordable products and nearly free electricity for electric wehicles would leave more money to citizens. Anybody that can help can contact me at oberon(at)globalnet.hr
Regards from Croatia, the Homeland of Nikola Tesla!
lawrence elliott
lawrence elliott
November 5, 2011
"Nuclear should form a significant part of any country's strategy."

No! No! No! and No!

Amory Lovins shoots this sentiment down quite easily.

Even with no input from Lovins,as someone who daily analyzes and audits energy systems,I would still retain my opposition to Nukes simply on the basis that they are not needed.

The waste of energy across the board and across the world due to outdated technology and a reluctance to move beyond the old inefficient technologies due either to ignorance or just being lazy are staggering.

If I pick any building at random,in any country or state and just deal with nothing more than the grotesquely inefficient lighting systems I'm able to reduce consumption by over %75. That's with good ROI both in initial cost and over the life of the system. Once you get into HVAC and pumps,IT systems etc,the low hanging fruit is everywhere. From mind numbed CFO's I hear constant complaints of high wages,expensive utility bills,taxes etc etc reducing profits. Yet they see nothing wrong in spending %50-%75 more for energy than is necessary.

Add up all the savings after addressing efficiency losses and you would soon see nukes and coal and gas plants being mothballed all over the world.

Until I see some real movement in the direction of efficiency I will continue to see Nukes and Coal as just mindless ways to boil water.

And just remember Nukes have never and never will be able to compete in a true free market system

The plants are more a primary example of socialist energy systems where owners reap the profits and the tax payer supplies the capital.

As a matter of fact the plants simply continue to foster the massive waste and restrict new energy saving technologies that would help create additional thousands of new technologies on and on.
V G SHENOI
V G SHENOI
November 5, 2011
Yes Keller - Nuclear should form a significant part of any country's strategy. Apart from intermittency solar is costly, need to have a mix of generation to even out intermittency and loads, also political security as many countries are dependent on imports including nuclear fuel. Nuclear stations need to be kept running at optimum - in the U.K for example we have a large pumped storage to store and deliver at peak loads. Also substantial gas CCGT which can come in fast.
Solar has its place in the mix where there is potential but limited, better potential in the dry/desert regions.
The main problem - people do not see immediate need and don't like nuclear, wind turbines or large industrial installations. They are in their comfort cocoons assuming life will go on for ever and energy will be cheap. Much of the greenhouse gas emissions have been exported to manufacturing locations - China, India, etc., and demand in the West is mainly for leisure related uses.
stations have to be planned well ahead - not just on current patterns - a large nuclear station will take 5 to 10 years from concept to generation - so we are thinking of long investment horizons with major economic and geopolitical risks. In the U.K renewables have a significant role - 30% in the next two decades but the bulk of supply will still come from nuclear, gas, and some coal with carbon capture - uncertain beyond 50
Germany which is top of the league for renewables (about a third of all generation) solar is very small part of the total.
The main point is - renewables can only supply enough if world population can somehow be brought down and consumption per capita reduced to basics/essentials. There is no such thing as sustainable development.
Whilst some countries such as Canada, Australia, etc, have small populations and can generate considerable part via solar, hydro, biomass, tidal, etc for much longer, on a world scale the problem is unsolvable if we continue expanding as present.
Michael Keller
Michael Keller
November 5, 2011
At the risk of spinning up the "green" contingent, nuclear power is quite capable of supplying our needs for hundreds of years using breeder reactors. This type of power plant is technically doable but it is even more expensive than a conventional nuclear plant.

I believe the real question with solar intermittency is financial. Why should the consumer pay more money for power just to use intermittent solar energy, particularly when using the solar energy requires building back-up capacity (which also obviously drives up bills as well)? Further, with the demand for power down, there just is not a good reason to build additional capacity of any kind at this point in time.
V G SHENOI
V G SHENOI
November 4, 2011
Absolutely Josdesouze - end of the line except in Greece I hear - plenty of sunshine, creditm and hope there. End of the line for the rest.

Someone needs to work out the potential for renewables across the earth and likely demand in say 2050 and check what energy density and per capita consumption is sustainable - then work out the effects of internittancy - you will find resource costraint is what will kill off mankind - not intermittancy which can be lived with. Past Wars came out of the grab for resources - these have all now been taken - and will be indefensible when the real crunch comes - best to look at technology finding ow cost/low tech solutions for a reduced world population rather than trying to find technoligic fixes to how to manage the resource - resources are finite - will run out in the near future - however yo stretch the future.
José A. de Souza Jr.
José A. de Souza Jr.
November 4, 2011
Bonkim2003:

Better yet, let's make funny money work for us, just like the fat cats from Wall Street make it work for them. Unfortunately, there's no substitute in the whole world for that stuff. By the way, we've all been living in hope since very long ago. Some call it credit.
ANONYMOUS
November 4, 2011
The problem with Most of us, is that we are 'clueless', and using a magnifying lens to see, then describe the Big picture. We all look at just 1 part of the great big magnificent scene. Too some (naysayers) its chaos and doom, to others, (the hopeful) its a lovely work of art in progress.
V G SHENOI
V G SHENOI
November 4, 2011
Josdesouza = selling snake oil would be a good substitute to funny money. Live in hope.
José A. de Souza Jr.
José A. de Souza Jr.
November 4, 2011
The problem with Bonkim2003: (s)he thinks money is finite. It would be if we were pegged to some kind of "finite" commodity, say the gold standard. Are we? Doesn't seem so. Modern money is debt, therefore we're all living on future resources as (s)he puts it. We've always been and probably will in the future as well. So what's the big deal? In need of big bucks? They can come into existence with just a few keytrokes as governments as well as private banks have actually been doing so far.

If money can be so easily made to make costly wars in faraway corners of the world and to prop casino-style finance then it might as well be made to make renewable energy the mainstay of our civilization. It's our choice.
Gerry Wootton
Gerry Wootton
November 3, 2011
You do go on....
Intermittency and availability are important discussions as applied to the field of power generation -- in general. How would one rate the intermittency of Fukushima on a scale of 1 to 10? In the US, there are several nuclear reactors as well as some fossil fuel generators that shutdown after only a few years of operation -- how's that for reliability. Remember the great blackout -- not caused by any renewable source but some AWOL coal burners. Most thermal and nuclear plants have capacity depreciation overall and between service cycles and they have service cycles i.e. not 100% capable or 100% capacity 100% of the time. Currently, there are some pretty awsome US hydroelectric dams with very low waterlevels -- water level == hydraulic pressure == capacity. You get the picture. Nothing runs at 100% of maximum design capacity 100% of the time and everything wears out, runs down, breaks down, more than occasionally botched up by the humans that run them and/or fuddled by the weather. Get over it. System operators can and do deal with life's little catastrophes every hour of every day. It's no big deal.
Storage? The US already has something like 199 large scale storage facilites in operation providing reserve power and countless smaller ones doing frequency regulation and other QoS functions. No doubt, more would be good, but it's not like it doesn't already exist.
HVDC? Hydro Quebec has enough that if connected end to end could encircle the earth. It's not that expensive and cost competitive with HVAC for long hauls. What it doesn't have is expensive and complex flow management and frequency regulation switch gear. When the lights went out, the gars with the HVDC interfaces to the rest of the continent could still watch Habs games on TV.
Problems exist -- that's why we invented solutions. As The Guide instructed, "Don't panic.".
V G SHENOI
V G SHENOI
November 3, 2011
Globalisation is a joke - look at the mega-economic system - all countries are looking at energy import risks - and making provision. The renewable industry appears to believe it can supply all the energy needs of an expanded world population - will hit in the not distant future.

Technoly can solve many problems if money is thrown at it - both technology and finance to make it possible are finite - - so limit to what can prctically be achieved.

Superconcting cables, etc, will need big bucks which the world economic systems will not be able to support. We are at present living on future resources.
ANONYMOUS
November 3, 2011
Intermittency as described here can easily be solved by globalization of the power grids. There is sun shine somewhere around the clock and around all weather conditions. Energy security for the growing world can easily be achieved if we do not fragment ourselves into countries and territories. I understand, with, super-conductivity technology,transmission of power using buried/underground cable will lead to abundance of power for the life of this earth. Why are we arguing about these when we should be working to implement this only viable alternative to what we have now?
Phil Manke
Phil Manke
November 3, 2011
Seems to me that at the rate of Solar adoption in the USA there is plenty of time to configure storage and other ways of dealing with solar intermitancy. Even storage in vehicle batteries for off sun times. Meanwhile, peak supply is a great solar inroad.
The resistance to incentivising solar heat and electric on a middle and lower class consumer level is the demonstration of hatred the fed has for the people it is charged to serve. Future political candidates need solid and viable solar commitments to get elected or we are asking for continued loss of respect and capital in the world view. Everyone wants more solar opportunities except the politicians on the conservative "take".
ANONYMOUS
November 3, 2011
Bonkim2003:

Yes, large systems can be well adjusted as they've been so far in countless circumstances. But as you incorporate larger shares of renewables into them, after a certain threshold (say, about 25% of the load. Please, see,for instance: http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/publications/reports/Battle-of-the-grids/) it becomes either technically or economically difficult to manage them. Either one has to go as a result. Generally it means renewable and intermittent sources of energy get curtailed, giving them a bad reputation as being "uneconomical" because of their unfairly attributed inability to handle a larger part of the power requirements and, therefore, a seemmingly obvious (but not necessarily true) corollary emerges: we can't possibly do without coal and nuclear because they're baseload and we've been depending on that feature thus far. But, actually, it's neither a problem stemming from the very intermittency of certain renewables nor an inborn and axiomatic virtue of baseload: it simply exposes how inadequate existing power grids and the baseload business model - which evolved mostly in the first half of the 20th century - are to accommodate larger contributions of sources such as solar and wind. Yes, there are risks ditching an old fellow of so long, but there are many opportunities worth considering as well.
V G SHENOI
V G SHENOI
November 3, 2011
Anonymous - Coal fired stations can two shift, can be put on spinning reserve, etc to be able to come in fast to take up load. Nuclear much less responsive and needs to be kept running at optimum.

However in between all systems have gas fired or combined cycle stations which can come in fast. Also pumped storage to take up nuclear - so existing large systems are capable of playing the demand tune quite well and at fairly economic cost. The added problem with renewables apart from intermittancy is their ability to be brought in and controlled sufficiently to meet demand - unlike large central stations.

This means the system has to absorb whatever is put in whenever it is generated - and being small sources overall grid control gets very comples - also the grid has a responsibility to supply power There is a limit to the amount of renewables connected in large systems for stability.

This discussion will not matter when we run of fuels for large central stations in any case and in the not too distant future people will just have to cut down consumption and prepared tp put up with loss of supply now and then.
ANONYMOUS
November 3, 2011
What really blocks a larger share of intermittent renewables from being incorporated into power grids is the baseload (not a technical imperative!) business model itself. Coal-fired and nuclear power stations can't be throttled up and down at will and at a moment's notice. On the other hand, we as society just want a stable power system whether it's baseload or based on intermittent (not "bad" per se!) sources of energy. Besides, baseload belongs to the past, when inflexibility was built into the system due to the technological possibilities of the time. Not necessarily so in the 21st century. So, it's our choice to reap the many and positive opportunities that renewable energies bring together. Even climate-change naysayers have a hard time trying to not acknowledge them!
V G SHENOI
V G SHENOI
November 3, 2011
The discussion misses the point that world population(over 7billion now)is exploding beyond the ability of earth systems to support. Fossil fuels are limited and even nuclear fuels have limits quite apart from the added hazards.

In this context not sure renewables potential across the globe can fill the huge gap between our profligate energy consuming lifestyles and supply. Something has to give.

Given that potential for different renewables sources vary and that supply is limited/intermittent - whichevery you look - managing the scant supply can be overcome but not the shortahe.
Ralph Perez
Ralph Perez
November 3, 2011
Funny, no mention is made of electric car battery charging technology via consumer owned rooftop solar PV. Sending excess power back into the grid appears to be the primary concern of many battery developers.
This helps the grid power balancing a great deal. Getting millions of noisy, carbon monoxide fuming hogs off our roads is a secondary benefit.
Mel Dittmann
Mel Dittmann
November 2, 2011
Commenting on Jaysenergy… we have NexPower Technology thin-film installations which have produced power, even on overcast days, the few that we have in Phoenix, when there wasn't enough sun to power up crystalline modules. Also, residential installations with less than ideal roof orientations, i.e. modules facing due west on a 22° pitched roof, modules are producing power as soon as the sun rises. In the summer months, without direct sunlight, they were producing enough power at 6:30am to send power back to the grid. The biggest advantage of thin-film here in Phoenix is March through October when the temperature is always over 90°. During these days thin-film always produces more kWh/kW than crystalline.
lawrence elliott
lawrence elliott
November 2, 2011
I was in no way referring to AC vs DC

Just that the distributed nature of solar would have allowed early adoption of a more distributed grid or no grid at all
Lizz Ederer
Lizz Ederer
November 2, 2011
It so amazing to me how many people hold on to the 'the world is flat' thinking! We have already come so far and we WILL overcome all these so called 'huge problems', renewable energy will soar above all that negativity and then(to all the whiners) be
IN YO FACE! It will happen... :)
Lizz

I am referring to all the solar energy naysayers who think renewable energy will not fly, and want to stay in the mucky fossil fuel, you whiners.
ANONYMOUS
November 2, 2011
Comment number 6 about history is interesting but wikipedia high voltage direct current and read its disadvantages.

If only the number of size of wiring in dc applications can be downsized or if appliances can be sold in dc form.
lawrence elliott
lawrence elliott
November 2, 2011
It is important to remember that if solar technology had come before the first Edison DC central station power plant and the massive development of Tesla's AC grids, how we distribute and use electricity would look quite different from present design
It will take some time but the current distribution and use patterns will be nothing more than a mention in a history book.
Let's accelerate the change we need
Jay Gr.
Jay Gr.
November 2, 2011
The thin film solar brand Nexpower Technology appears to work wonderfully under cloud cover as well as indirect light. If you see Photon magazine's latest module testing results (Photon mag has been testing 47 different brands of solar panels outside in a field in Germany for 2 years and counting. Test is for KWH production over all 4 seasons.) those thin film panels are kicking butt in all weather conditions...thereby decreasing intermittentcy.

Not that I have ever sold that particular brand, but the subject matter lends itself to bringing up the fact that some newer technologies are helping to fix the problem of weather-related intermittency.
ANONYMOUS
November 2, 2011
Currently, solar and wind resources within certain balancing areas are not responsible for energy market imbalance charges created by their variable output or have averaging mechanisms administratively created to minimise these charges, hence they have no reason to incur the extra cost of storage.

There must be a robust transmission network to allow the benefit of geographic diversity to be realised. Even with this in place, there is a significant effect on voltage control of the interconnection circuit caused by rapid changes in output. Solar and wind must be "good neighbors" and not create voltage flicker or other power quality issues.
ANONYMOUS
November 2, 2011
Intermittency is one of the major criticisms of solar; but the statement; Solar resource is very predictable, kills the whole article and along with storage claims exsit in the 3-5 hour time frame at best give solar a 10hr window for power; add two cloud days in a row forget it.

Inefficiency of solar a huge problem is not even mentioned which agains kills your storage theroty which ai jsut another hazardous chemcical reaction in an enclosed container that is affected by outside heat and humidity just like solar cells and mirrors.

At lesst fossil fuel use is reduces for the average 4 hours per day if all other factors are correct
Cliff Goudey
Cliff Goudey
November 2, 2011
We need to look beyond the fossil fuel age in order to envision what our energy infrastructure is evolving towards. Ultimately, renewables will be the primary sources with remaining NG being metered in only as needed. Lingering fossil fuels will be far too valuable to burn and used only as feed stocks for durable goods.

Large-scale, cost-effective energy storage facilities will smooth out the diurnal nature of solar and the intermittency issues of other renewables as they take their logical place in the energy mix.

While it's true that some recent investments in conventional energy will become stranded, those engaged in fossil energy exploration and production will find opportunity in geothermal.
V G SHENOI
V G SHENOI
November 2, 2011
Optimising demand with supply is also a problem with conventional large netwirks - with renewables the sources are relatively smal.

Large fossil fired or nuclear generators will still be needed to maintain supply security and balance loads. So not a new problem - it would be uneconomic to have largescale storage facilities.

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