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Outsourcing Our Chagrin: China's Reaction to Solar Trade Complaint

By Louis Schwartz, Contributor
November 2, 2011   |   12 Comments

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1 of 12
November 3, 2011
It may be good that the Chinese seem to be learning the fundamentals that Wall Street and the oil/gas industry employ. Use the American lobbying industry to quietly "ahem" persuade?.. American politicians. In the meantime, ply the owners of American media (radio, TV, internet, movies) to present their situation in a positive light. They may find that they have an opportunity to change laws and rules where necessary, to accommodate the payees. They may be doing themselves a favor to remember that American military leaders (and their weapons manufacturing acquaintances) are currently undergoing serious financial cuts and could be looking for a new "bad guy".

Bottom line...consumer owned rooftop solar will take a serious hit if Americans are not allowed to purchase at the most advantageous price. Oil companies will be the big winner, if prices are forced artificially higher as this will help to push solar charged electric car batteries further into the future...
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2 of 12
November 3, 2011
I don't get it. Let's push the logic all the way to the end. Suppose 'China', meaning the manufacturers located in China, want to GIVE each american household a 3 kW PV system for FREE.

Would we outlaw that? Would we have Congress protect us from the nefarious 'Gift' of these Chinese manufacturers?

Would Congress put a $8000 tarriff on each system (paid to who?) and for what reason?

Would there be jobs lost. Of course. How could a competitor stay in business when one company GIVES it's stuff away? Is giving stuff away illegal? Or is it simply illegal to really lower the price? Is really lowering the price all that bad? Is it immoral? Of course not. To ask the question is to answer it.

Companies are always trying to gain market share, always trying to 'corner a market'. Let them try. That is what gives the low price competition. The CONSUMERS (ie the American public) are who benefit. The competition won't like it. So they will request 'protection'.

The only protection anyone has in the free market is to deliver a product or service competitively.

I am ashamed of SolarWorld and their co-conspiritors.

If the Chinese can deliver PV panels at $.50 per watt then maybe they should be the ones making them. Why do we accept as an axiom that we MUST make PV panels here in the US? If we can't compete- admit it and move one, rather than try to penalize the American Consumer (and the Chinese manufacturer). Do we make cell phones here? NO, they are ALL imported. So what.

The opening of the world to 'globalism' necessitates this type of 'pain' from certain manufacturers who cannot keep up. For the past 40 years we have been outsourcing jobs BECAUSE IT MAKES SENSE. The whole world is better for it.

Of course the result of this system is that low skilled laborers (in the US) may not have quite as many low skilled factory jobs to chose from.
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3 of 12
November 3, 2011
No where in the variuos discussions of Chinese manufactured solar pv Panels do I see any references to the coal supply. This finite recource is what our electric grid(and China's) is based upon, yet it has been completely ignored in this scramble over whether Chinese manufactureres are playing fair or not. Who cares about "fairness" when it comes to extending the life of our known coal resources? Yes, by selling their low-cost yet good-quality panels to us they are helping to extend our coal supply.
Of course, maybe they(the Chinese) are even more devious than we know. Maybe they plan to flood the market with panels, causing everyone to "go solar" then they will do us in by buying all of our remaining coal with the profits from the panel sales. Sneaky Chinese. How dare they give us lessons in capitalism?
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4 of 12
Anonymous
November 3, 2011
We in America talk about "Free Market" except when it hits our bottom line corporate profit. American companies are so used to using public funds and politicians to keep their profits up they can's stand to see other companies in other countries doing the same. If Chinese products were low quality, then I wouldn't recommend it to my clients, but they have been every bit competitive in their quality and service recently. In a society where buying and selling is the main focus, politicians are the first group for sale, now Chinese companies can buy our politicians and change our laws to their favor.
Get the politics and government out of the way and let the market decide what is fair.
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5 of 12
November 3, 2011
Isn't Germany also starting accusations of China dumping solar panels in their market? I believe this was a point they intend to bring up at the next WTO summit.
If Germany jumps on this campaign, who could be next?
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Anonymous
November 3, 2011
Colorful Chinese press coverage??? Some pretty voluble US press coverage - I guess Lindsay Lohan didn't do anything remarkable today.

BTW: 'gunboat diplomacy' isn't just an expression: for the Chinese it's an historical fact. And you thought they'd forget -- it's only been 72 years since the last US gunboat stopped 'negotiating' trade with China. Or are they just being a little too sensitive?
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Anonymous
November 4, 2011
US has a too strong nuclear lobby and will take at least 5 years the Renewables Lobby to be well established and allow exponential Growth for PV systems.

See Japan, all of the country is powered by American made Nuclear reactors and even after such disaster they are very slow in changing to Renewables.

At exponential Growth of PV systems, price variation in 20% and 30% does not play any role, availability does. And that is why EU manufacturers were able to compete chinese rivals until the market was stagnated due to FITs reduction Europewide.
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8 of 12
November 4, 2011
The way the Chinese are covering this news with such hyperbole is fascinating. Thanks for this!
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Anonymous
November 4, 2011
Most if not all people failed to realize; rre earth minerals play major role in the process.

The process to mine rare earth metals; oxides is hazardous at best add the world health shipping requirements on rare earth metals and the finished forms that must be shipped in.

You are talking about hazardous chemicals that require special handling from start to finish.

The US takes what China ships and mount cells in frames and add wiring then install; again most if not all people confuse manufacture with assembly
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10 of 12
November 5, 2011
Electric38 and SimpleEnergy,
I think you've got it all wrong. For almost 3 decades the Chinese have systematically practiced economic warfare to garner the dominant share of global manufacturing. I understand about the efficiency of shifting labor-intensive work to lower-cost labor locations around the world. But in any other nation, we have the ability to both purchase cheap goods AND sell our own higher-value goods and services.

The problem with the Chinese model is that if a foreign company tries to gain access to their market they will demand either a technology transfer to a Chinese partner firm or they will simply ignore intellectual property laws and steal the technology. There are numerous and repeated examples of both acts over the past two decades.

So I would argue that the USA must acknowledge that the Chinese are not our trade "partners" and they deserve nothing in the way of fair treatment or unilateral practice of free-market principles. The USA has many legitimate trade partners with whom we buy and sell goods freely. The Chinese are different because they view trade with the USA and Europe as a zero-sum game where they win and we lose.

I appreciate the author's coverage of the delusional commentaries in the Chinese press. I would expect nothing less from the Chinese and I will even predict that their next move will be to make irrational threats to the United States now that we have shown the audacity to speak honestly. I predict that they will threaten our ability to access their market next.

Now is the time for the civilized world to call their bluff. They have built up an economy that MUST continue exporting to survive. Now is the time to demand that if the Chinese want access to the successful open markets of the USA and Europe they must begin to play fairly by the same rules as the rest of the civilized world.
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11 of 12
November 6, 2011
Kenergy,
Why shouldn't the most populous nation on our planet have the most manufacturing? Why shouldn't the most populous nation be able to make it's own rules, rather than follow the rules of your so-called civilized world? Capitalism is based on greed, and when does greed ever follow any rules?
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12 of 12
November 8, 2011
Kenergy,
I'm with you. Any country that wants a healthy and prosperous life for its citizens (and their children and grandchildren) needs a strong manufacturing industry. Subsidies by other countries affect the fair playing field and take business, jobs, technology, infrastructure and taxes from countries that don't. Later, when the subsidising country has the market share, and the infrastructure, and the technology, it gets to profit.

The US should look after its manufacturing industry.

And, 'No', to all the initial commenters, the cheapest solar panels from China are Not necessarily the best thing for the world's environment nor America's. Robust competition and process improvement is good, but just buying the cheapest, subsidised junk from WalMart and having it die in a few years isn't good for the environment, nor is buying products from a country with a very bad environmental record. Americans need to stop thinking about the next 20 micro seconds, and the next dollar bill in their pocket books, and start looking long term and thinking sophisticatedly.
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