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Feed-in Tariffs: The Proven Road NOT Taken…Why?

Peter Lynch, Contributor
November 23, 2011  |  99 Comments

America needs to introduce a nationwide feed-in tariff (FIT) to kick-start the renewable industry, restore America's leadership role, and accelerate the expansion of the renewable industry worldwide.

Why is a FIT critical?

World energy consumption was approximately 132,000 TWh in 2009, according to the WorldWatch Institute. According to the BP Statistical Review of World Energy 2008, the amount of direct solar energy that arrives on Earth during an average four-week period is roughly 1,853 TWyr, which is greater than the total remaining reserves (1,755 TWyr) of all fossil fuels. The numbers speak for themselves and the technically feasible (at this time), long-term solution is renewables. 

Given the overwhelming supply advantage and renewable nature of solar energy, we should accelerate the worldwide development of renewables as quickly as possible with a nationwide FIT. 

What is a FIT?

A FIT is a policy mechanism designed to accelerate investment in renewable energy technologies. Producers of renewable energy are paid a set rate for the electricity they produce, usually differentiated according to the technology used (wind, solar, biomass, etc.) and the size of the installation. It achieves this by offering long-term contracts to renewable energy producers, typically based on the generation cost of each of the different technologies.

For example, if a PV system is installed on a home in Germany it would initiate a FIT program. This creates a reciprocal energy agreement with your utility — the utility would buy the power you produce at whatever the FIT rate was at the time of the agreement for a period of 20 years. You then buy any additional power (mostly at night) from the utility. Since the FIT price is higher than the retail power price, this arrangement allows you to get a stable return on your investment and makes any borrowing of money very easy.

Why do we need to implement a FIT, and what are the benefits of a FIT program?

  1. The FIT concept is proven, as it has worked far above expectations in Germany for the past 10 years. Germany set a 2010 target of 12.5 percent share of renewable energy in electric generation in 2000. They surpassed that goal in late 2007 with 15.1 percent share. That exceeded their schedule by two years and 20 percent — and Germany receives half the amount of sunlight as the U.S. on average.
  2. FIT’s pay for themselves in less than one year, in 2008 Germany expended €3.2 billion for its national FIT program. The German Federal Ministry for the Environment calculated its return as follows:
    1. €7.8 billion from reduced amounts of fossil and nuclear fuels purchased
    2. €9.2 billion saved from the avoidance of external costs 

      External costs are those that the German government calculates to take account of the avoided costs of using renewables verses fossil fuels such as: damage resulting from climate change, health related costs related to air pollution and toxic wastes, costs of cleanup of rivers and other bodies of water as a result of pollution etc.

      In the U.S., we ignore these external costs, and fail to include them in project or technology analysis. Ignoring these external costs will be a huge long-term negative for the taxpayer and will result in a significant burden for the U.S. taxpayer who will eventually get “stuck holding the bag” and paying many times over for the problem — long after it should have been properly accounted for and dealt with.
  3. FITs do not depend on taxpayer contributions (it is not a subsidy) and no new public debt is needed to fund it, which is ideal in the current recession environment. As a result, a FIT program is not as vulnerable to the uncertainty and unpredictability of the political environment.
  4. The FIT has proven superior to any other program currently in use around the world, such as subsidies with public money, tendering models and quota models. In fact, since the German’s have launched their FIT program, approximately 35 to 40 counties have followed suit and implemented their own. 
  5. FITs eliminate uncertainty thereby encouraging private investment, which results in more taxable income from new companies and jobs in the industry. Remember: where widespread uncertainty exists, major investment does not. This is a basic financial concept that the U.S. has failed to understand and address.
  6. FITs dramatically reduce government bureaucracy, eliminate red tape and move the process along at a much faster and cheaper rate. Typical power purchase agreements in the U.S. are incredibly complex and require an army of lawyers and engineers — which is both timely and costly for developers/owners.
  7. In the U.S. the typical agreement between a producer and a utility is a minimum of 85 to 100 pages long, in Germany the comparable contract is only two to four pages. The more complex system is not working very well in the U.S., while the simple, transparent system is proven and has been successful for over 10 years in Germany. 
  8. FITs, by accelerating the development of the renewable energy industry, enhance national security by lessening U.S. dependence on foreign oil and helping to decrease the huge cash drain (approximately $800,000,000 per day in 2010) from buying foreign oil. 

FITs Are A Proven and Working Worldwide

FITs must be carefully designed in order to work effectively. Germany has a 10-year-old model others can reference, and 35 models have been based from it worldwide. Some countries have designed their FITs successfully, and some have not. However the U.S. can learn much from these successes and failures. The most recent, closest and successful of these FIT programs is in the province of Ontario, Canada.

FITs are not theories, nor are they the next Solyndra.

Opposition to FITs: Opposition Is Talk, FITs Are Fact

FITs major opponent is the local electric utility. These utilities argue that FITs work contrary to the market, but most utilities are not market-driven. They are monopolies — monopolies do not respond to market forces. As history has shown, the last thing a monopoly wants is competition in the market. But if one looks at FIT results, especially in another developed country like Germany, the numbers speak for themselves. FITs are far more market-oriented than monopolies.

There is a lack of political courage to try something new or allow something that powerful contributors (utilities, fossil fuel companies) do not want to infringe on their businesses and help kick-start a competing industry.

Why Germany and Not the U.S.?

The primary reason FIT’s are working in Germany and not in the U.S. is the respective mindsets in each of the countries.

Germany:

Here are two quotes from Willi Voigt, former minister of the German state of Schlexwig-Holsteim, one of the early adopters of FITs.

“We decided we will reduce the CO2 until 2020, 40 percent, [and by] 2050 by 80 percent. Then we debated the instruments that could make this possible and decided on feed-in tariffs.”

“I hear arguments (spoken in 2009) we discussed in Germany 10 or 15 years ago. It’s the same debate. In Germany, we made a decision; we made a law….the renewable Energy Resources Act (FIT). It worked. You can see the results.”

United States:

  1. The German’s made a decision that would benefit their citizens and then followed through. The U.S. can’t make a decision — every U.S. President since Richard Nixon has recognized the unsustainable path we are on and has vowed to move toward less oil-dependence. Since those first “vows” our dependency has more than doubled.
  2. Opponents of renewables have done a great job in the media to dampen energy awareness and its solution (FITs) from widespread dissemination among the American people.  I believe that the majority of the citizens in the U.S. are not aware of our energy problem and how truly serious it is. 
  3. Americans, it seems to me, have always been reactive (at least in the energy area) and the current situation calls for us to be proactive. We seem to be unable to make that transition. 

Complacency is always a barrier to change. Just as the captain and crew of the Titanic became complacent when the ship was deemed “unsinkable,” we must not become complacent and ignore what is transparent, proven and obvious: feed-in tariffs.

Interesting “Coincidence” in China

In closing, I think it is interesting to note that in 2006 China avoided implementing a FIT because “FITs trigger such rapid market growth,” according to an unnamed Chinese official. I would certainly view this as a compliment to the effectiveness of a well-designed FIT.  Perhaps the Chinese realized that their solar manufacturing base was not in place to address this potentially explosive market?

In 2011 the Chinese implemented a FIT program, their domestic market is now booming and coincidently, Chinese solar manufacturing has scaled up to the point where they can address this huge market without the help of imports. According to the Global Trade Atlas, in 2006 China was 12 percent of the world export (12 percent of 20.3 billion = $2.4 billion), and in 2010 they were 33 percent of the world export market (33 percent of 76.1 billion = 25 billion). In reality, since the prices were much lower in 2010 the unit volume growth was far more than five-fold.

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James Desmond
James Desmond
December 3, 2011
Excellent points made here. We struggle with facts and purported facts to back, at bottom, tax-subsidy-industrial policies aimed at a common goal: clean, cost-efficient energy.

I've collected research on the topic, with a free-market bent, here: https://sites.google.com/site/freemarketsolarpower/

ORANGEHOUSE: We ceded the VCR market to the Japanese, we should cede the Solar panel market to the Chinese, who feel they have no choice but to hyper-subsidize it. They "borrow" (steal) technology from us, we can later do the same from them. Plus it's not like Solar panel making can't later be replicated/produced over here (have there been any problems buying VCRs over the years?).
Peter Lynch
Peter Lynch
December 2, 2011
John - thanks so much for the tip. I will make sure to look at the data. Perhaps you can send me a link that involves a "credible" CLIMATE scientist (not just old scientist) who is NOT involved with any of the numerous "think tanks" that are funded by the coal, oil or other folks. One thing, in my experience, that has always shown the truth is to follow the money.

The money guys in the fossil fuel or other industry areas (tobacco, global winter,acid rain, ozone) have, in every case been proven wrong, but in every case delayed the onset of regulations. The easiest to see is tobacco - which took 25 years AFTER data from the tobacco companies own labs showed they were lying and it finally took a RICO action to being it to justice.

It is the same game here - deny and delay.

Only problem is that the risk of you being wrong is just too great a risk and therefore not a good bet....

Have a nice weekend. You might enjoy reading the following recent article - if noting else it is thought provoking...

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/climate-change-and-the-end-of-australia-20111003
John Bronson
John Bronson
December 2, 2011
I guess the answer to my question is that you are heavily influenced by alarmists. Try looking at the actual data. It's too bad Jones destroyed the surface temp data, but we still have satellite data:

http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/t2lt/uahncdc.lt

.12 degrees over a 30 year average is hardly the most serious problem mankind has ever faced. Certainly by the end of the century we will not be burning coal, or using vehicles that run on gasoline.
Peter Lynch
Peter Lynch
December 1, 2011
If anyone is really interested. A very good and also very sobering book to look at: EAARTH (correct spelling two AA's)
william hughes
william hughes
December 1, 2011
@John Bronson
Hi John. Have a look at the following. It gives some ideas why climate change could be pretty disastrous (at least for us. It would be a boon for the world as a large portion of the human race would likely be eliminated).
http://mtkass.blogspot.com/2008/07/arctic-melting-no-problem.html
Peter Lynch
Peter Lynch
December 1, 2011
John #95 Sorry I was referring back to the climate change related conversation in # 90 -91 and 92.
John Bronson
John Bronson
December 1, 2011
peterlynch wrote:

"This could be the most serious problem mankind has ever faced and we are NOT applying the attention and focus it needs."

I'm curious as to why people think this. Please explain.
Peter Lynch
Peter Lynch
November 30, 2011
Steven 91 and 92

Unfortunately I am not as optimistic as to timing as you are. We have to get this moving and moving now. This could be the most serious problem mankind has ever faced and we are NOT applying the attention and focus it needs. We have to stop being reactive and start to be proactive....

You may find this very interesting. Everyone, including me, talks about the problem but there is one person/group that is also offering a comprehensive, well thought out solution

http://rmi.org/reinventingfire
william hughes
william hughes
November 29, 2011
I knew I had forgotten one (revenue stream that the German government makes from the introduction of solar energy). When you put in your solar system, you have to put in a second meter that measures all the power you produce. You pay VAT on this at just under 20% in Germany...... Oh! and one more I forgot. I knew there were 7 of them. Since the power companies must charge a little more (3.5c per kWh was reported above) to all its customers as a base price in order to have the money to pay the generator-user, all users pay VAT on this extra 3.5c per kWh. Using the figure of 3500kWh used by the average household, this amounts to E122 per year on to which is added E24 extra tax. When your tax department finds a way to have a tax on a tax, you know it is being run by clever people.
ANONYMOUS
November 29, 2011
Instead we are spending most of our effort on short range tactical goals such as reaching ~20% renewables within a decade or plans for developed nations to reduce CO2 generation to 1990 levels in the near term. Such modest near term progress is unimportant and we should not be squandering financial resources to achieve it--instead, we need cost effective solutions that achieve the very challenging long range goals.

Solar PV is now very costly but is headed toward becoming a relatively affordable part of the energy generation mix. We do not have an urgent need to accelerate adoption of that technology. In the long term, the potential for solar is likely to be limited more by variability than by cost (especially seasonal variability, which is something that even a major breakthrough in battery technology would not resolve). Predicting the most effective technologies for 30+ years into the future is a difficult task and we should be looking into lots of options. R&D is much more effective when it is funded at stable levels over long periods of time than when one seeks a burst of rapid progress in the style of "Manhattan projects." I would say current R&D funding into enhanced geothermal techniques, advanced nuclear power, solar thermal power and many other things is too low whereas we are throwing lots of money away on installing solar PV. Market forces do a reasonable job of determining when a technology is ready for a substantial buildout whereas top-down government tinkering (such as FITs) doesn't.
Steven
ANONYMOUS
November 29, 2011
Peter:
Regarding climate change and other questions in comment #90:

Evidence that atmospheric CO2 levels are climbing is rock solid and measurements of CO2 concentrations have high precision. Virtually everyone also agrees that global mean temperatures are rising; the only point in contention is how much of this is due to the increased CO2 levels and how much is from other variables. To predict future warming is a complex endeavor in large measure because one needs to understand how increasing CO2 levels will alter atmospheric water vapor concentrations. Climate modeling is a work in progress and has uncomfortably large uncertainties, but the best of what is available does suggest a significant potential for very serious climate disruptions before the end of this century. One does not have to be 100% convinced of the certainty of climate change to support substantial changes to our energy policy. Certainly there is NO credible evidence to support the notion that making large changes to atmospheric CO2 levels is safe, and the preponderance of available evidence suggests that it instead involves substantial risk.

The most likely scenario is that we have several decades to dramatically reduce our use of fossil fuels. There is a small possibility that we have substantially less time and as a fallback for such a worst case scenario we should already be studying radical remediation options: increasing aerosols in the atmosphere, seeding the oceans with iron, sequestering CO2 from biomass, etc.

The most likely timelines suggest we have several decades to alter our ways, but we need solutions that are affordable for developing nations and we must also dramatically reduce fossil fuels used for heating and transportation. Such sweeping changes call for long range strategic plans.

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Peter Lynch
Peter Lynch
November 29, 2011
Steven@88 - I have read some of your posts. I was wondering
Do you believe in climate change and what range of technologies so you see replacing fossil fuels.....???
Jan de Boer
Jan de Boer
November 29, 2011
@Steven #88:

The thing is that cost do not reduce over time, but over amount produced. Without support the PV market would still be a niche market for stand alone applications, and we would still be at the beginning of the learning curve.
ANONYMOUS
November 29, 2011
Regarding JdeBoer's comments in #86:
The lack of a solar grade silicon production capacity was not a limiting factor for the point at which prices reach grid parity, this would have developed naturally without any FIT policies. PV prices have been dropping for decades at a very rapid pace and the HUGE funding increase for production of products that are not yet competitive has only slightly altered the cost vs. time curve. PV is ultimately headed towards becoming a moderate-cost energy generation source and Germany has spent an enormous amount of money to accelerate the time line for that by a tiny amount--perhaps a year or two. It has also created a lot of market disruption that would not have occurred if the market had grown more organically. The time when one can accelerate technology development most efficiently is EARLY--by basic research and prototype development projects. Solar thermal and enhanced geothermal energy are examples of good candidates for affordable acceleration because their markets are not nearly as well developed as the PV market is. If we had a rational energy policy we would be putting funds into those and similar technologies rather than overheating the PV market. Germany will be paying high electricity costs due to this profligate spending for decades yet we are still very far from developing the full range of technologies that will allow a transition from fossil fuels.
Steven
Jan de Boer
Jan de Boer
November 29, 2011
@ Steven #85: Taxing pollution to the amount of the external cost would be great:

Vested fossil fuel interest have a big hold on politics, a pollution tax is therefore politically impossible. Especially, in the US where you can buy a politician by contributing to their campaign fund.

In the case of CO2 the cost of climate change is carried by the whole world, whereas the C02 taxes affect the local industries, making them less competitive with industries in less enlightened states. A global CO2 tax would be ideal, but is almost impossible to achieve.

Typical, that you think that external cost don't count if is not expressed in money.
Let me help you a bit by illustrating that external costs are also monetary costs : In the US there are many old coal power plants that are more or less allowed to pollute as much as they want. The fine dust and sulphates they emit cause, among others, asthma. People suffering from asthma don't die immediately but need to take medication. Either they pay it for themselves or their insurance pays it, increasing the rates for everybody. They also will be ill more often, causing costs for their employer. Even if they die early this is a cost to society because the investment in their education is lost, and in some cases society has to take care of their family. Rising sealevels and more extreme weather is already making it necessary to make the Dutch dikes higher and stronger, which has to be paid for by taxation.

In general the problem of the external costs is that the people paying for them are not the same people who profit from the artificial low prices. If the external cost would be taken into account the market would decide what is more efficient: polluting and paying for the damages, or investing in non-polluting technologies. Since it is politically almost impossible to impose a pollution tax, we are stuck with subsidies for clean technologies to level the playing field.
Jan de Boer
Jan de Boer
November 29, 2011
@Anoymous #84:

For a long time the German PV market more or less was the world PV market, so no wonder that the German PV policy influenced the world market.

"but their very high initial FITs spawned an industry designed to meet rapid demand growth rather than a constant demand."

That is exactly the point. The whole goal of the policy was to change an expensive niche technology to an affordable mainstream technology. The German FITs have successfully done this.

For a long time the PV was using leftover silicon from the computer industry. At some point this was limiting the growth of the industry. The German FITs gave the industry the confidence to build purpose build solar grade silicon factories. I consider this to be a good thing. I will not deny it has been a rough ride, but the question is if any other support mechanism could have brought us where we are now at the same speed, but at lower cost. I think not. I expect that without the German policy the PV industry would still be postponing the investment in solar grade silicon factories and prices would still be at 2005 levels.
ANONYMOUS
November 29, 2011
Continuation of #84:
He also writes: "There is a simple metric: the amount of green kWhs per Euro support. FITs have been shown to be superior on this metric compared to all other support systems."

The qualifier limiting comparisons to "other support systems" is quite significant--it excludes a comparison to a carbon tax which would surely be more efficient. Furthermore, the US production tax credit has surely been more efficient on a kWh/cost basis then FITs, even with its occasional expiration. A long term credit policy would have been even more effective. The German FIT has increased costs by ~$0.048/kWh and has only led to modest capacity additions. There are unsustainable costs.

He also writes "External costs are taxes."
This is obviously untrue. Externalities, subsidies, and taxes are all distinct types of costs and conflating them renders rational discussion about economic consequences of various policies impossible. The distinction between external health costs and taxes is particularly extreme as taxes have to be paid in currency and health related externalities sometimes just result in increased mortality without major health care cost additions. If you don't have the money for expensive clean energy a negative impact on one's health is still better than living in the dark and the cold. Developing nations will thus choose cheap and dirty energy over no energy and economic models must reflect that.

Steven
ANONYMOUS
November 29, 2011
Regarding some of JdeBoer's remarks in comment #81 and #83:

He writes "The market with the largest boom and bust cycle is the US with its erratic tax credits. Spanish policy has been very stupid...."
I agree 100% that US tax credit policy should extend for much longer periods of time to allow long-range market visibility; however, even with the erratic policy this has NOT led to the greatest market disruptions. Surely the Spanish PV FIT has that distinction. The US production tax credit expirations led to large disruptions in national installations but they had only modest impact on WORLDWIDE growth rates. The wind turbine markets have been very stable compared to the PV markets. European style FITs for PV led to demand exceeding silicon supply which kept prices artificially high and allowed even poor competitors to survive for several years. This spurred massive capacity additions and a subsequent glut that has caused HUGE and worldwide disruptions in the PV industry. The German's are targeting constant capacity additions of about 3500 MW/year for PV but their very high initial FITs spawned an industry designed to meet rapid demand growth rather than a constant demand. The US production tax credit is sized so that it can remain constant even in the face of very large market share increases, which is a much more responsible long-term policy.

He also writes: "A PV system on your roof will actually reduce your cooling needs...."
OK, if you put a PV panel on a low-albedo roof then shading will lead to some cooling. If you put PV panels on a high-albedo roof the shading won't compensate for the reduced reflection and you will see roof temperatures increase.

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Jan de Boer
Jan de Boer
November 29, 2011
@Keller #46: Your comment is complete drivel.

External costs are taxes. Health problems, higher health insurance rates, and dealing with climate change drives up costs and that decreases economic activity. Anybody that believes otherwise is an economic illiterate.

If any industry is unable to compete without externalizing their cost (which is generally the case with fossil energy) then that business should cease to be a going concern (e.g. Exxon/BP/Koch brothers). Consumers and taxes payer have no obligation to bail them out.

Americans have paid with their health and taxes for dirty fossil energy simply to enrich a few companies and individuals. Furthermore, the whole thing is sad in the prism of the devastating impact of global emissions. However, I'm not in favour of all for Americans poisoning themselves, and ruining the planet we all share.

Free pollution has reached its "high-water mark" in Europe. From here on out, subsidized pollution of all types is an endangered species.
Jan de Boer
Jan de Boer
November 29, 2011
@Cliff #80: It was not mentioned as a critique on German policy, but just to emphasize that countries starting with FITs will be cheaper of because Germany has carried the burden in the early days of the technology.
Jan de Boer
Jan de Boer
November 29, 2011
@Anonymous #13: The market with the largest boom and bust cycle is the US with its erratic tax credits. Spanish policy has been very stupid. They more or less copied the German rates without realising that with the Spanish amount of sunlight the rates could be much lower. In Germany FITs have provided a stable renewable energy market since 1991. Rates were decreased with a fixed amount per year. Only in 2009/2010 there was a boom because the cost reduction of PV was higher than the so-called degression in the PV FIT rates. The policy has been adapted and now the degression rate depends on the amount of PB built in the previous half year. The market is stable again and the costs remain within bounds.

@Anonymous #14: There is a simple metric: the amount of green kWhs per Euro support. FITs have been shown to be superior on this metric compared to all other support systems.

@Anonymous #35: A PV system on your roof will actually reduce your cooling needs. The panels are usually mounted about 10 cm above your roof. The sun-rays will heat up the solar panels rather than your roof itself. Your roof will be in the shade.

@ william-hughes #43, regarding net metering: The cost of PV electricity is only now in the neighbourhood of the German consumer price of electricity. Even three years ago net-metering would not have stimulated the PV-market.

@Anaonymous #73, regarding your point 3: It is a common misunderstanding that if we put enough money in research a silver bullet technology will appear magically. In reality most of the cost reduction in PV of the last few years have come from upscaling and learning by doing. Research is good, but has no value if there is no functioning market to ask the right questions to the researchers and to transfer the research results to the assembly line.
Research is good, but without a functioning market the
Cliff Goudey
Cliff Goudey
November 29, 2011
JdeBoer, I agree, as the technology improves the need for incentives drops. That does not mean the playing field is level, only that RE is inherently economical once the hardware is in place.

You wrote, "In Germany they are still paying for the high FIT rates of the old systems from the beginning of the renewable energy law." True, but what a small price to pay for a booming economy.
Jan de Boer
Jan de Boer
November 29, 2011
The author forgets an important aspect of the German FIT's: they reduce regularly for new systems. This means that a system built in 2011 will get a lower FIT than a system built in 2010. This makes it very clear that this support is just there to enable the renewable energy industry to scale-up and further develop their technology until they can compete on their own, rather than an endless support. The industry cannot become lazy and must keep innovating to remain profitable with decreasing FIT rates.

Another important point missed by the author is that the FITs will be much cheaper to the US as to Germany since the costs of the technology have dropped considerably over the last decade. In Germany they are still paying for the high FIT rates of the old systems from the beginning of the renewable energy law.
william hughes
william hughes
November 29, 2011
@peterlynch
My calculator must be having a cadenza. When I punch in 3500 kWh per year at 3.53c per kWh divided by 12 months in the year, I get a cost (in Euro I assume) of E10.30 per month extra cost. That seems pretty steep for all those users that are not generating their own power (and for those that are). So unnecessary too. Instead of this complicated system why not:::
1. Have single metering in which your generation turns back the meter. In other words you get the same rate for the power you produce that you pay for the power you buy.
2. Structure the cost with a line charge to account for the fact that the power company has to maintain the distribution network that allows you to market your power.
3. Have the government allow a one time write-off for the capital cost of your equipment. Here in New Zealand where the tax rate is one third, this would bring down the price of capital equipment to two thirds of the retail cost..... and a couple of other ideas in:
http://mtkass.blogspot.com/2007/07/solar-electric-government-role.html
Worse still, the German government, even now while she is promoting the uptake of renewable energy, taxes every cent you earn with your system and every cent you pay for your power*. The government is actually creaming off huge revenues from promoting solar power. Now that really is clever!!! They also similarly tax the power company so power prices go up before the 3.5c charge to the customer. The 3.5 cents surcharge is the least of what German's pay for putting in renewable energy.
http://mtkass.blogspot.com/2008/04/double-metering-its-insidious.html
*note - this is for all the power you produce and all the power you use - not the difference between the two. Likewise for the power company (double taxed) that then has to raise the base price for power to remain solvent. The government then takes 19% VAT on your purchase of your panels and inverter. Michaeveli was German, wasn't he??
Tim Dolan
Tim Dolan
November 28, 2011
Comment on electrical costs for consumers in the USA.
In Virginia, regarded as having some of the LOWEST rates in the country. the cost per kWh for the home owner is $0.11/kWh plus tax and fees. Given that Solar offsets peak power, which can run over $0.15/kWh wholesale according to TVA (the ones supplying peak power to Virginia). That would mean a $0.05 increase in kWh could be as low as 30% to as high as 45% at the consumer level. While 30% is ugly, I suspect it would not start at that level if you focused FITS against residential systems, which is what we should be doing any way. Just CAP it to first come - first served until you hit 10% increase from starting point. That should be low enough people can accept it, but high enough to get solar really going quickly.
ANONYMOUS
November 28, 2011
In regard to Peter's remark in comment #74: "The monthly number is the one that counts"

Suppose we instituted an FIT for electricity powered by hamster wheels at $100/kWh. The process is so inefficient that even at those rates you would get very little generation so the monthly increase in utility bills would be almost nothing. Supporters would claim that this is green power, that it costs ratepayers almost nothing, that every child was suddenly empowered to be an energy producer, and other nonsense. Sensible people would view this as manifestly ineffectual and a waste of money. Per capita monthly cost is a meaningless number; in order to understand whether or not a program is effective you should consider costs per unit of energy and how the program influences those costs in the long term.

The article tries to argue that FITs are a "proven road" to "kick-start the renewable industry". However, per capita monthly costs and program popularity tell us nothing about whether or not FITs are a good way to kick start a renewable industry. Paying very high rates for solar PV will cause a boomlet in renewable production--that is obvious. But it will do so at unsustainable cost when more efficient mechanisms are available. FIT supporters don't have any evidence to support a claim that FITs are an efficient or effective way to promote renewable energy so they blow smoke at us with ill-defined claims of success.
Steven
Peter Lynch
Peter Lynch
November 28, 2011
1. The monthly number is the one that counts

2. It is their country and their vote, not yours - I am just reporting the results of the survey

3. Agreed. I think a tax AT THE SOURCE is a great idea. If you think you will get a fight with a FIT, just wait until you propose a "proper" tax at the source for coal...then you will see some real resistance from all of the coal powers - Koch Brothers, utilities etc. But good idea and hope that it will come to pass..
ANONYMOUS
November 28, 2011
Regarding Peter Lynch's remarks in comment #72:

1) 3.592 Eurocents/kWh translates to $0.0477/kWh, which would be nearly 50% of the cost of electricity in the US--and that includes delivery charges. Peter argues that this is considered "cheap" in Germany and that the yearly increase of 1.02% is small. I would disagree, but more importantly, we should note that he hasn't tried to argue that this is EFFECTIVE using any reasonable metric. Last year Germany achieved ~16.5% renewable generation compared to the US ~10.0%, but the increment to their energy bills is $0.048 cents/kWh. At these costs they are fortunate indeed that they didn't achieve an even higher percentage of renewables! By comparison, the US subsidizes wind by a modest production tax credit which has allowed wind generation to grow to greater than 2% of overall generation with a negligible change in US electricity rates. Thus, the tax credit model seems vastly more efficient....

2) Peter argues in his second point that the FIT is popular in Germany. Again, this is a straw man argument used when one cannot argue that it is beneficial and efficient. Furthermore, not everything that is popular is wise; a few years ago the common currency was very popular in Germany and that is looking more and more like a disaster. Perhaps a few years from now German's will wake up to the heavy costs they have expended on the FITs, and baked into the system for decades to come, and decide that this too was economic folly.

3) Externalities for oil have little to do with electricity generation because very little electricity is generated by oil. This is yet another straw man argument. Everyone agrees that fossil fuel use leads to external costs; the question is what is the most efficient way to transition away from fossil fuels. Surely a carbon tax (as just one example) is more effective than an FIT. Increased funding of R&D would probably be even more effective....
Steven
Peter Lynch
Peter Lynch
November 28, 2011
Just three points to address some of the comments related to FITS

1.Projected Cost of the German FIT in 2012 (made by the utility industry). According to the four German grid operators, the EEG (FIT) surcharge for 2012 will remain almost unchanged at 3.59 cents per kilowatt hour (ct/kWh) compared to the current value of 3.53 ct/kWh. For an average household of four using 3,500 kilowatt hours per year, this only equates to additional costs of less than 18 cents per month.

2. What the German rate payers think of FIT's and its cost

Current surveys indicate that this is also how the majority of the population see the situation. Just a few weeks ago, a representative survey conducted by TNS Infratest on behalf of the Renewable Energies Agency showed that almost 80% of all respondents consider an EEG surcharge of 3.5 cents per kilowatt hour for the promotion of renewable energies to be appropriate, or in some cases, even too low.

3. External Costs - a simple example

The National Academy of Sciences (2011) estimated that there is a health care cost to the American people of 29 cents for every gallon of gas burned.

The US consumes approximately 8.6 million barrels of oil per day (11/18/2011 4 week average) and on average US refineries produce 19.4 gallons of gas per barrel of oil. So, on average,the US consumes 167 million gallons of gasoline everyday with an health care cost of $48 million per day.
Michael Keller
Michael Keller
November 27, 2011
Let's say you do "tax" brown power to account for externalities. Are you going to give the money to those presumably impacted, say like what was done with "tobacco money"? Oops, that did not happen, the money went to general funds.

Are you going to give the money to the government to reduce the deficit? That'll be the day; the bureaucrats will just spend the money.

"Taxing" brown power is simply a ruse to drive up the cost of energy because renewable energy can not compete.
Brian Thomas
Brian Thomas
November 27, 2011
Free Marketeer (comment 50) is right. It makes more sense to tax the brown power to account for the external costs than to subsidize green power if the goal is a level playing field. I think this should done, despite the fact that I am a free-market Republican. And his point about taking advantage of the Chinese "donations" from their own subsidized modules makes sense, with one exception.

If the Chinese government puts all (or even some) competitors out of business by subsidized panels, then they will not have to subsidize them forever. They will be free to raise their prices in the future by having diminished global competition. This is the real danger behind Chinese subsidized panels - long term price increases.
Tim Dolan
Tim Dolan
November 27, 2011
@ Anonymous Post #68
Every report I have read from a trustworthy source (such as NREL.gov) indicate that Silicone PV panels have been degrading slower then anticipated over time. With a warranty of 80% power at the 25 year mark and having looked at the degradation to power likely it will be close to 70% at the 50 year mark I am not very worried about the loss of power from the cells themselves.

The most likely loss of the panel is from the physical aspects as you have mentioned. This is where quality must be chosen in determining which panel to get. I was not so trusting of this until one of panels came off in a hurricane and from a starting point about 36 feet up (top row of a two story house's array) the panel survived the fall to the ground and after being tested is back up on the roof working as good as ever. That shows that the quality of at least the SunTech panels I have should survive the duration. The rack system on the other hand is more of a worry.

I have estimated based on my research that likely I will lose one of the panels to physical loss at some point before the 25 years are out and probably 2-3 more before 50 years is out. They will have well and truly paid for themselves by then and I suspect new roof materials will be available that offer higher conversion efficiencies at lower life-time cost, but likely I won't be around to see it, although I can hope.
The inverters are the part that is even more subject to failure, but still factoring replacement of those solar is a decent investment when I made it and maybe right now.
ANONYMOUS
November 27, 2011
A few generic notes re. solar panel degradation over time:

'Solar panels decrease energy output as they get older. I.e their efficiency of conversion of sunlight to electricity gets smaller and smaller over the years, eventually tapering off to nothing. Assuming someone is cleaning debris off and sun is still reaching the panel, the problem must be rather more fundamental. What is it? Why don't solar panels work at even 80% of their original capacity for longer periods of time?'

'Probably the major reason for dropping power output with age is optical. The films that act as mositure/air barriers and anti-reflection films between the solar cell and the glass of the module assembly (tedlar, mylar and variants) yellow/brown with age, due to UV exposure. Obviously, this causes less light to actually get to the cells, and less light = less electrical power output. This yellowing problem isn't entirely understood and hasn't been completely solved though improvements are being made.

The second issue is electrical - weakening of metal contacts. Over time, the wires connecting cells inside a module can break, or a contact on a cell can come off. Additionally, since cells in a module are strung together, a failed cell can act as a blocking diode preventing other perfectly working cells in the same string from delivering their power output. These failed cells can create local hotspots in a module and damage other cells.

Regular wear and tear such as breakage of the module, corrosion of the glass faceplate, mold, dust, etc play a part as well.

That said, the cells themselves so also worsen over time due to various technical reasons.'

'Various concentraters only increase the rate of deterioration'
ANONYMOUS
November 27, 2011
Regarding Jaysenergy's comment #66:
Note carefully that the FIT in Germany is 4 cents/kWh and the FIT and conservation efforts are 0.4 cents/kWh in Ontario. There has been no "decimal point misplacement." You just have not followed the conversation carefully.
The reason the impact of the Ontario FIT is so much smaller than that of the German FIT is that it has been in place for a much shorter period of time.

As for this statement: "And if not for those solar payments, the Ontarions would be paying that money anyway for new dams or gas-fired power plants instead", there is a HUGE difference between paying 80 cents/kWh for new solar and ~10 cents/kWh for new hydro or wind. The former will lead to higher rates and the latter will leave them little changed. This is not a subtle distinction and I am surprised anyone would have trouble perceiving that.
Steven
Jay Gr.
Jay Gr.
November 27, 2011
Again with the decimal point misplacement!
There's a HUGE difference between 4 cents and 0.4 cents added on per kwh. And if not for those solar payments, the Ontarions would be paying that money anyway for new dams or gas-fired power plants instead.
One last question: Just because 25 years is the average time length of warranties on solar panels do you actually think that's the entire life span of the panel? Like suddenly the day after warranty expires they stop producing power? Really?

Well the warranty on my car was up years ago.....same with my refrigerator. Guess what? they are still doing the job I bought them for, even without a warranty.
Who knew, right?
Frank Heller
Frank Heller
November 26, 2011
and this final note from the same press release:

'So how much of that is due to renewables and conservation? In 2010, the Ontario Power Authority paid electricity resource costs of $317 million for conservation programs, and $269 million for renewables. That is a lot of money ? but you must realize that it is recovered over a total Ontario consumption in 2010 of 142 terawatt hours (that's 142,000,000,000 kWh), which amounts to 0.4 cents per kWh (split roughly equally between conservation and renewable subsidies). So the cost of conservation and all the renewable subsidies in 2010 amounted to 0.4 cents of the 13 cents we paid for a kWh in our homes. A significant amount, perhaps, but hardly the bogeyman that it is so often made out to be.

In fairness, it must be acknowledged that this 0.4 cent amount will rise as more green energy comes on line in future years, but in 2010 that is what it was. '


***.4 cents over time is a lot of money for poor families who can't afford solarization in the first place, and the cost will go up! It is more the principle of the matter, which is that poor energy users are subsidizing wealthier people and solar panel companies; and that, for me, is unconscionable!
Frank Heller
Frank Heller
November 26, 2011
Thanks you beat me to it.

Quebec's rate is because it is mostly hydro and that is the cheapest in N. America, and will stay that way, because hydro once built has minimal maintenance and operating costs. Wind and solar have to be replaced after 15-25 years, and it starts all over again. Then you have other inefficiencies, and lapses in production that require fossil fueled, usually gas, generators to be built. Wind farms have a huge footprint another source of concern.

Here is most of the text from Gord Miller, Ontario Energy minister:

'There has been much effort made in the media to lead the public to believe that their electricity bills have been spiralling due to the cost of subsidies to wind and solar initiatives of our energy conservation programs.

The 80 cents/kilowatt hour (kWh) for solar is frequently cited as the greatest offender, even though that rate only applies to rooftop solar with a capacity of 10 kW or less. In total, such installations currently amount to just 34 MW out of the 37,000 MW of installed generation in the province.

Not mentioned are the subsidies paid to our private natural gas generators, or those paid to Bruce Power, when the market price doesn't meet their guaranteed price (which is almost all the time).

The latter subsidies involve 70% of the global adjustment monies paid out, simply because they pay for the delivery of much more power. In fact, the Ontario Power Authority paid out $1.35 billion in 2010 to meet gas and nuclear power purchase agreements.

So how significant are the subsidies to renewable energy and the monies paid for conservation in a typical residential electricity bill anyway? To answer that we had better clarify what a typical electricity rate is per kilowatt hour delivered to your home. There has been much confusion about that as well.' http://www.cleanbreak.ca/2011/03/31/the-impact-so-far-of-ontarios-fitgreen-energy-on-electricity-bills-0-4-cents/
ANONYMOUS
November 26, 2011
Regarding Jaysenergy comment #62:
Note carefully that we never said electricity rates were $0.80/kWh--we said that FIT payments for solar PV were that much.

That fact that rates may need to increase to provide for more production does not justify choosing production that is so inefficient that it requires an $0.80/kWh FIT. Ontario, for example, could add new wind capacity or new hydro capacity at very reasonable cost and without an FIT.
Steven
Jay Gr.
Jay Gr.
November 26, 2011
Frank_Heller & Anonymous....
Where did you get the idea that Ontarions pay $.80/kwh...?
Um, you both got your digits wrong. Ontarions pay $.08 per kwh. MUCH LESS than what California, New England and many other parts of the U.S. pay for that same power....even though those states don't have a Feed-In-Tariff!

AND, by the way, thats what Ontarions were paying BEFORE the FIT even started!
So yeah, if you lie about the facts then you can make a good case for not introducing a feed-in-tariff.

As for poor people that have a hard time paying their electric bills,... yes, my family was on that list, for years. But I was proactive and did something about it.
And AGAIN, they ARE ALREADY paying higher electric rates, because the power company you love has to charge you the ratepayer for the burden of building huge expensive new power plants. I noticed that not a single one of you disputed this fact......?
Josey Wales
Josey Wales
November 26, 2011
If you believe in PV then install it and bear the burden yourselves of the cost. Go off grid if you feel the need to disengage from The Evil Power Companies.

I think the most shocking aspect of the pro-FIT community is their laziness by asking others to share the burden for their choices. They want others to do the work by absorbing the cost. Absolutely pathetic!
ANONYMOUS
November 26, 2011
continuation of #59

If, as Jaysenergy says, FITs give some home and business owners the legal right to force their friends and neighbors to pay electricity rates well above free market rates (sometimes as high as $0.80/kWh), so that they can "MAKE money" I don't see the merit in that. Utility scale renewable projects are much cheaper than residential PV and it is a scandalous waste to sink money into the most inefficient of projects (residential PV in cloudy areas) and foist the costs onto those least able to pay. A few robber barons are making out well while cloaked in the guise of environmentalists but the renewable industry as a whole is not prospering from these policies.
Steven
ANONYMOUS
November 26, 2011
Jaysenergy writes in comment #53: "All these people talking about FITs 'significantly raising electricity costs beyond what the poor pensioners can afford' are not showing any examples of where this has happened, anywhere.
In Ontario the FIT has had such a negligible affect on power bills you can't even tell the difference. Official calculations put the 'added cost' on the average electric bill at aproximately $1 a month. "

Cliff writes in comment #54 "Don't be too harsh on them. They are only saying what they've been told to say by the folks making money off the status quo. "

and Jaysenergy writes in comment #57: "All the FIT does is give the home or business owner a chance to actually MAKE money on that fact, instead of just taking on poor victim mentality and complain about your ever increasing electric bills....while doing nothing about it."

These two must have led very sheltered lives if they have never met anyone who struggles to pay their electricity bills. It is not some talking point of the fossil fuel cartels that poverty exists in the world. In the US we have a government program--the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program (LIHEAP)--that helps prevent the poor from loosing all access to energy, and possibly freezing to death. Lots of people who don't qualify for LIHEAP still scrimp and save on energy costs, which constitute a large percentage of the average income. We are told that in Germany the FIT is already up to $0.04/kWh and it is sure to increase further from there. You would have to be utterly clueless to think that such costs don't hit some people very hard and are a burden to many.

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Frank Heller
Frank Heller
November 26, 2011
It's only when you compare costs in other provinces can you see the enormous cost of a F.I.T.

The average price billed to residential customers throughout Québec is 6.88¢/kWh(2010) while in Ontario the cost of solar power is 80 cents/kWh.

It should be pointed out the costs of GREEN Energy will go up in the future; and that in Ontario Solar power is only 0.8% of the total power generated--using actual output instead of theoretical output.

In Maine, ratepayers who install their own energy generating system can feed back power into the grid and save the entire cost of their electric bill. To generate more power than they consumer,they would have to be licensed as a producer, meaning home energy generation systems are sized to the avg. consumption of the residence; since to generate more does not realize any revenue. see 'grid-ties' + 'maine'.

In effect the actual savings are an incentive to invest in a system, making a F.I.T. irrelevant.
Jay Gr.
Jay Gr.
November 26, 2011
Hey JoseyWales,
I have news for you: All those people who aren't feeding power into the grid ARE ALREADY bearing the burden....of all those expensive power plants the utility needs to build since you/they choose to do nothing to help alleviate the continuously increasing need for more power. The increasing rates on your electric bill (looked at it lately??) ARE the burden you speak of.
You are paying for the infrastructure expansion whether you want to or not. Welcome to real life!
All the FIT does is give the home or business owner a chance to actually MAKE money on that fact, instead of just taking on poor victim mentality and complain about your ever increasing electric bills....while doing nothing about it.
Josey Wales
Josey Wales
November 26, 2011
@Cliff_Goudey Re: 'JoseyWales is a good example, pointing the delusional finger at those who are working to solve the problems they apparently can't comprehend.'

Judging by the sun damage to your face, you should find yourself a nice homeless shelter and maybe some anti-psychotic medication.
Cliff Goudey
Cliff Goudey
November 26, 2011
Jaysenergy, you wrote, "All these people talking about FITs 'significantly raising electricity costs beyond what the poor pensioners can afford' are not showing any examples of where this has happened, anywhere."

Don't be too harsh on them. They are only saying what they've been told to say by the folks making money off the status quo. JoseyWales is a good example, pointing the delusional finger at those who are working to solve the problems they apparently can't comprehend. In their ignorance on these matters they faithfully parrot back the slogans dirty energy has taught them.
Josey Wales
Josey Wales
November 26, 2011
@Jaysenergy Re: 'All these people talking about FITs 'significantly raising electricity costs beyond what the poor pensioners can afford' are not showing any examples of where this has happened, anywhere.'

One of the more common delusions I've seen in renewable energy proponents is the belief that money is somehow a renewable resource like sunlight or wind: There's a free and limitless supply of it and all you need do is tap into it and your monetary needs are forever satisfied. It's not. Money doesn't fall from heaven like a rainbow or blow in like some magical zephyr wind.

The FIT is a good example of this mystical belief system at work. Those who feed into the grid benefit financially from the arrangement. The balance of the people who don't absorb the burden.
Jay Gr.
Jay Gr.
November 26, 2011
All these people talking about FITs 'significantly raising electricity costs beyond what the poor pensioners can afford' are not showing any examples of where this has happened, anywhere.
In Ontario the FIT has had such a negligible affect on power bills you can't even tell the difference. Official calculations put the 'added cost' on the average electric bill at aproximately $1 a month.
WHY??
Because of the one fact that all these naysayers forgot to calculate into their equation: As power demand continues to rise, the power utilities have to either spend MILLIONS of ratepayer dollars on building EXPENSIVE NEW power plants (and yes, you the ratepayer ARE paying for these!), OR they pay someone else for power produced from SOMEONE ELSES power plant....be that a solar farm, or wind farm, or geothermal plant, or....whatever. But the utility hasn't spent ONE DIME of ratepayer money on building these other power plants....thereby saving the ratepayers MILLIONs of $$ in what would have otherwise been a HUGE capital expense which would have been (and traditionally HAS been) passed onto the ratepayers.
So the reality is, Feed-In-Tariffs don't cost ratepayers any more $$ than the multi-million dollar power plants that otherwise have to be built...and that you, the ratepayer, will pay for in higher electric bills.

The beauty of the FIT is you, the ratepayer get to, for the first time in history, choose to SELL power for a personal PROFIT to the utility which has always (up to now) just TAKEN money from you. It is both democratic & capitalistic, when you think about it.....
Frank Heller
Frank Heller
November 26, 2011
I've long proposed monorails that would use the I95 ROW....that's where all the transportation is anyway. Make them electric and tap into the HVDC conduit to power them, and at rest stops recharging stations for the incoming hybrids.
Frank Heller
Frank Heller
November 26, 2011
If the experience of Maine and the Nation goes, promoting FIT's is just beating a dead horse; in the sense that there has been a sea change in the political views of the nation from unabashed liberalism to a quasi-conservatism which mirrors the changes taking place in Europe and Canada.

It took a long while for policy makers understand the dynamics of the F.I.T. and how it worked in a quasi-socialist nation like Germany and how it would work in a State like Maine to raise prices paid and in effect, penalize lower income home owners who can no longer afford these capital improvements, nor wait for future savings.

And those that can 'do-it-themselves' from an internet ordered kit; are denied tax credits and grants if they don't pay for an energy audit first--$150-$800; comply with the recommendations, i.e. weatherization first, then efficient appliance's next, and so on until you get to solar PV---which is usually well outside the auditors realm of expertise.

The clincher is when it comes to getting the tax credit and you needed a licensed electrician to install everything and standards compliant components. I was at a large meeting where all this was explained to farmers and home owners, at the end of the meeting only a handful of people were left and most of them were government employees.

In the meanwhile, there is another sea change in energy alternatives and energy conservation. Maine has TW of hydro coming on line in Canada. Our new Governor, who speaks French fluently and is a superb negotiator, has had several provincial level meetings, to discuss the details of bulk power purchases.

One hang up, is that HV corridor proposed for New Hampshire. It would clearcut and acquire a lot of forest and the people in towns along the way oppose it.

Sensing an opportunity, I've proposed using the I295/95 corridor to lay an underground HVDC conduit through Maine. A pipe the size of a water line! Virtually free from weather and vandalism!
James Desmond
James Desmond
November 25, 2011
Tax brown power, and all bad behavior (polluting, health-jeopardizing activities/products) and don't tax green. But don't subsidize (Solyndracize) green, either. That's why I'm against stealth taxes (FIT's and RPS's), too. Let the Chinese "donate" their labor and environment in their quest to ship sub-cost solar panels -- America will profit/prosper from that wealth transfer with lowered Solar PV prices and thus more "Joe Six Packs" opting to invest in grid-tied, residential-distributed Solar PV. Millions more arrays will result, and that means billions more in collateral supply-chain and labor inputs, much of it non-outsourceable.

THAT is the fairest and most efficient way to build a green energy market. Taxing brown power drives up electricity costs and thus drives more consumers to Solar PV, who will encounter ever-lowering prices thanks to the Chinese, who in the scheme of things are doing us a favor. The free market adjusts, and politicians and bureaucrats don't pick market winners and losers -- consumers do. Subsidies, grants, FITS and RPS standards -- these are all distorting manifestations of classic Welfare Capitalism. Don't go there.
Cliff Goudey
Cliff Goudey
November 25, 2011
Sorry, but the bleat, if there is one, is simply for a level playing field. Government support is not unusual for emerging industries that can improve a nation's global competitiveness whether its digital electronics, the Internet, a national highway system, nuclear power, or fossil fuels. This support is usually transient except for the last two industries who have managed to get Congress to provide enduring subsidies.

Stop sucking on the taxpayer's teat. Consider paying fair royalties for public resources. You don't deserve depletion allowances for something you get for free. Consider accepting full responsibility for the damage you cause.
Michael Keller
Michael Keller
November 25, 2011
Just like "global warming", your externality costs are impossible to figure out. Further, in both cases, the absurd notion of "zero" risk is clearly present as a basic driver. Yet, the consumer and taxpayer are suppose to subsidize the green energy "robber barons" because they are presumably more noble than everybody else.

With revenues in the hundreds of billions of dollars, BP, Shell, Chevron and their like require no bail outs and can obviously stand on their own two feet. Further, what is the link between renewable energy and oil?

Seems to me the common bleat of the renewable energy industry is that "we're victims" so give us money. Try using technology to beat the competition on price instead of whining.
Cliff Goudey
Cliff Goudey
November 25, 2011
Keller, I think we have met the economic illiterate and it is you. Of course it is cheaper for an industry to externalize its costs to others or the general public. If they can score such a subsidy they win and others lose.

Its funny how your nonsense post begins to ring true if one replaces 'solar' or 'renewable' with 'fossil' and replace 'Germany' with 'the U.S.' and replace 'FITs' with 'dirty-energy subsidies.'

I'm sick of bailing out BP, Shell, Chevron, and the rest of them. If that industry, after a century or extreme profitability can't stand on its own with out taxpayer subsidies then they should cease to exist and let clean, sustainable forms take their place.
ANONYMOUS
November 25, 2011
Not that other Anonymous - its interesting that he would cloak himself, but it does allow one to be offensive without repercussion.

It's unfortunate that there aren't more consumer advocating, either for or against Feed-in tariffs, most of them accept a slight increase in cost to forgo producing CO2. Consumers that do switch to renewables do so out of a sense of consciousness, for the good of the earth and to be proactive with regard to energy usage, which is what German has done as a country. It is sad to see that renewables must succumb to ridicule and comparison with oil, gas, coal - which have been shown to contribute to earthquakes due to the extraction process. Eventually consumers will see through the statistical mumbo-jumbo and get tired of the present power producers, and the power outages related to weather - downed wires, delayed maintence, and market manipulation and choose to be independent, which is the direction most Americans are swinging toward to bypass governmental inaction.

Just one man's opinion.
Michael Keller
Michael Keller
November 25, 2011
The article is complete drivel.

A feed-in-tariff is a tax. Taxes drive up costs and that decreases economic activity. Anybody that believes otherwise is an economic illiterate.

If any industry is unable to compete (which is generally the case with renewable energy) then that business should cease to be a going concern (e.g. Solyndra). Consumers and taxes payer have no obligation to bail them out.

Germans have paid a premium for high-cost solar energy simply to enrich a few companies and individuals. Furthermore, the whole thing is comical in the prism of the actual impact on "global emissions". However, I'm all for Germany driving up their energy costs as it makes them less of a competitive threat!

FIT's have reached their "high-water mark" in the US (kind of like the Confederates at Gettysburg). From here on out, subsidized of all types are endangered species.
Tim Dolan
Tim Dolan
November 25, 2011
@ Anonymous comment #38;
Storm cells are only a problem for the larger industrial or farm sized arrays. If you have small distributed solar power over a, while the drop off per small array is noticeable it is not a significant problem for the grid as a whole. over a regional area with lots of small arrays, the cloud cover, moisture, and other factors become predictable far enough in advance with enough accuracy for potentially even a coal plant to handle. Given at least in my area of the USA it is possible to predict clouds, rain and wind on an almost block by block basis a couple hours in advance, it should not take a lot of effort to match that weather prediction with power generation needs to offset any changes in distributed solar power.

However, large solar arrays in a concentrated area are a completely different story as a single cloud can cause a significant variation in power in that case. Some form of leveling is required in that case.

In the future though, some form of energy leveling mechanism may need to be added to even smaller solar arrays. It need not be a full up battery system, just something to level the spikes in power over a manageable period of say 30 minutes or so.

This is why I am more a fan of roof-top solar then solar farms.
william hughes
william hughes
November 25, 2011
@trash
I assume this is not your name. Since you are from Germany can I call you Wilhem.
Just imagine, Wilhem, if you had single metering in Germany. Imagine further that instead of paying the user-generator three times as much for the power they produce than for the power you use, you simply allowed him to turn his meter backwards and paid him the same for excess power he produced as for power he used. A line charge would account for the fact that the power company has to maintain the transmission infrastructure. Imagine further that the government allowed you to write off the full cost of your solar system from your income tax. The system would be simple, need nearly no administration, would not cost non generating users more money for their power and would be sustainable and worthwhile long after the 20 years of the present system finishes. Governments always seem to complicate things. A sustainable worthwhile system to encourage the uptake of renewable power would be so easy to set in place.
Kind regards
William
http://mtkass.blogspot.com/2007/07/solar-electric-government-role.html
Howard Johnson
Howard Johnson
November 25, 2011
Those who post 'Anonymous', need to man up and put some type of name on your account.
As for energy storage..that is being solved by a number of companies..I follow this one:
http://a123systems.com/solutions-electric-grid.htm

And states like AZ are moving toooo slow. Maybe fits would help.

Alaska: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grid_energy_storage

http://www.mpsaz.org/rmhs/staff/hljohnson/solar_information/

You're welcome.
Frank Heller
Frank Heller
November 25, 2011
From the perspective of solar PV marketeers, FITS may be essential to stay in business regardless of the cost to all strata of consumers.

But to public policy makers who have a broad range of options, esp. here in Maine, a Fit will only increase the cost of energy; while a long term power arrangement w/Quebec Hydro will radically lower it.

Then there are proposals to restore some of the many tidal/river driven water mills and generate power locally to go into local grids. The restoration of the hydro-powered villages that once dominated Maine's economy offer a multiplicity of benefits, including recreation and restoration of a declining fishery for food.

FIT's also ignore the fast expansion of natural gas pipelines in Maine and dawning reality that we can make natural bio-gas to fill them using organic waste and renewable bio-crops.

All things in balance; all things in moderation.
Birk Kraas
Birk Kraas
November 25, 2011
Hi again,
as a response to Steve and William Hughes:

@William: Yes, every single end user pays for the FIT, but guess what: The majority wants it, so obviously that is not a problem. And yes, the government taxes us on everything, we stopped complaining about it.

@Steve:
First: The rise in electricity price would be much higher (in %) for US citizens because your electricity is ridiculously cheap. And we pay so much because most of it is taxes. In return, we have social insurances, unemployment insurances, health insurance and so on. I don't want to speak in favor of any system, I just want to explain why there is such a difference.
Second: Yes, PV in Germany is not very efficient in technical terms. With our FIT level, it is economic for the owner anyway. That means, with your solar radiation, your FIT could be half as high and still be attractive for investors. That again means, the overcosts in the whole system would also be only half as high.

And: Adding rapid start-up generation capacities as a backup will soon be no more necessary. The construction of a Europe-wide grid just starts, and with portfolio effects you will have an evening-out effect of inequally distributed renewable energy generation.

Regards
ANONYMOUS
November 25, 2011
FOR AIRHEAD UZZI

This is a comment section only you are not God

There are usually more than 1 annonymous users on a site
(11 on this subject I did 2; as pointed out on 1 I actually order and sell the equipment for both solar and industrial chemecial/fossil fuel plants; solar cells equipment have been around for years and all equipment for both and wind contain nunerous carbon by products made in your fossil fuel plants you hate. One would be surprised of the number of solar products used in both land and offshore fossil fuel and chemical plants) For energy production there is really nothing new in the line of equipment except the chemical thin film (approx 5 years)

I have reported your air head comments as spam.
ANONYMOUS
November 25, 2011
The power companies need to add rapid start up power generation for most of the installed power supplied by solar or run by dumbing excess capacity. If a storm comes over they have to cover the change when the solar power quits. Nuclear power plants take many hours to respond and coal a few hours. The grid is designed to have a predictable amount of demand and supply. This added expense cost the power companies a lot of money per solar watt as these generation station are expensive because for the most part they are not used. This makes solar expensive.
José A. de Souza Jr.
José A. de Souza Jr.
November 25, 2011
Very informative article! Congratulations! I'm from Brazil and I wonder what FIT might be like here (~ 6 hrs of DNI per day, on avg., striking more than half of our territory). Unfortunately, our government isn't contemplating FIT, sticking, instead, to the tendering model. But things can change. There's one fact for sure: renewable energy sources are here to stay; there's all but no doubt they're "the road to be taken".
ANONYMOUS
November 25, 2011
Trash writes in comment #17: "For the single household, that means a rise in electricity price of about 3 €-cent/kWh, which is slightly above 10%."

3 Eurocents/kWh would translate to $0.04/kWh in the US, which would be a 40% increment to the average US price of electricity (including delivery costs) and roughly $500/year in additional costs for the average residential user. If $500/year had solved the climate change problem it might be worth it, but it hasn't. Germany now produces about 16.5% of its electricity from renewables compared to 10.0% in the US. FITs are having a huge effect on electricity prices but only a marginal effect on renewable generation, which should suggest that we need a better plan.
Steven
ANONYMOUS
November 25, 2011
Rop writes in comment #31: "I am living northern of Frankfurt (Main)in Germany and I have since two years about 4 kWp/a installed on my roof.
First year I got 3800 kWh and in the second year even 4000 kWh..." and
says "So, it just works."

I note that 4000 kWh/yr from a 4 kWp system is an 11% capacity factor. Solar PV in good locations would give a capacity factor in the ballpark of 0.2-0.25, so these numbers are not impressive. This also leaves Rop with a big black object on his roof in the summer increasing his A/C costs. I can run a lightbulb with a potato but it isn't efficient and Rop's definition of "just works" apparently does not include any requirement for efficiency either. Now if Rop was funding this boondoggle himself that would be fine, but he isn't--his friends and neighbors that pay the FIT are footing the bill.
Steven
william hughes
william hughes
November 25, 2011
The German FIT system has certainly been highly successful in increasing the uptake of Solar in a country with less than 2 peak hours of sunshine per day so it may surprise you to learn that the system is a scam on a number of levels. While doing so, the German government has gained the gratitude of her own people and the admiration of the world. I'll just mention a couple of points as space is limited but see the link below.
1. Every German power user pays a little more for their electricity in order to pay the money that is given to the user-generator.
2. The German government taxes the money from the power you generate at your marginal income tax rate and taxes the power you use at the GST rate. Not the difference - all the power you use and all the power you produce. They tax the power company similarly. 4 taxes on power and I have only just started.
3. The German government taxes solar equipment you buy at the GST rate. Because of point '2' you will need to install a system which is between 1.7 and 4 times as big as you need to provide your power needs, depending on your tax level, increasing the amount of GST you pay for your equipment.
4. The German government insists on double metering so that it can monitor your input and output and tax it. Ever wonder why, when a single meter that simply turns backwards when your power production is in excess of your use would be far cheaper.
http://mtkass.blogspot.com/2009/09/german-fit-system-brilliant.html
Martin Sherring
Martin Sherring
November 25, 2011
Why are Americans so obsessed with restoring their leadership role? Coming from a country that once had an empire, it's much easier if you just get used to the idea that it's OK for other people to lead once in a while.
Josey Wales
Josey Wales
November 25, 2011
Re Anonymous: 'Some might argue that FITs are WORSE than taxes. They are government mandated fees assessed to ratepayers (i.e., energy users) without regard to income. This makes them very regressive;'

Exactly. Sadly articles written by people engaging in self-promotion rarely give a balanced view of who exactly will foot the bill for their grand schemes.
Roger Pingel
Roger Pingel
November 25, 2011
Hi,
I am living northern of Frankfurt (Main)in Germany and I have since two years about 4 kWp installed on my roof.
First year I got 3800 kWh and in the second year even 4000 kWh and, Steven, you can be sure that we have quite some clouds, fog, snow and rain here in my area.
So, it just works.
PV would be a perfect solution for your sunny areas in the USA to feed your air-conditions during the day.
Rop
Daniel Davids
Daniel Davids
November 25, 2011
Peter,

TW/yr is not a measure of energy.

TWhr (TW x hours) or TWYr (TW x years) = energy
William Fitch
William Fitch
November 24, 2011
Hi:

Nice article...

Is anony on drugs..??..
The initial energy values in TW's sited was that the solar number in just 4 weeks was greater than all the FF left on the planet!! ALL OF IT. The solar number could be 1000 times smaller and there would still be plenty...LOL....

These arguments sound like something out of FOX news.....

.....Bill
Tim Dolan
Tim Dolan
November 24, 2011
First let me state I prefer distributed roof-top solar to large farm sized arrays. Better for security and better for grid.
- SRECs are for the home owner really easy to deal with, about 2-3 pages and can be done online.
- Net metering required 2 pages and one signature.
- Getting my Federal Tax Credit required an extra line on my tax form.
- Getting my State Rebate took three pages and scans of 3 other pages (to prove what I had). It did take 4 months longer then it was supposed to and has expired, but it was easy.

SRECs of which I generate about 10 a year with my system, require me to do nothing other then set how much I am willing to sell them for. This can be a once in awhile (like once a year) activity or a monthly activity depending on how involved I want to get. I lose a bit because I have to go through a broker (who may have had to sign a 100 page document), but they are easy to handle.

There may also be some confusion. SRECs are not the electricity itself. That is handled by the net metering agreement with the electric company and was set by State Law. It needs a bit of work still, but as mentioned 2 pages and a signature in my case.
The SRECs are the renewable energy claim. In other words when I sell an SREC, I lose the ability to CLAIM that 1mW of power was generated by solar, I still have the electricity, but I can't say my house uses solar power. Since I essentially lost the first 3mW before I started collecting, I have 3mW worth I can claim were solar power. Since I also have a small business, if I want to be able to claim that small business uses solar power then I need to retire an SREC without selling it every so often to account for the electricty I use in my small business (which is 4 lights, a Dremel tool and on rare occasions a drill press when needed for electrical use).

So in essence the electricity generated has two components. The energy itself and secondly the claim of renewable generation (or the SREC).
Peter Lynch
Peter Lynch
November 24, 2011
Longwatcher - i understand your comments, but in practice SREC's are very difficult to deal with. He is a part of the article that was not included.

I am very familiar with a typical power purchase agreement in the U.S. having personally worked on numerous megawatt scale and larger projects. They are incredibly complex and take an army of lawyers and engineers at considerable time and cost to the developers/owners of projects.

In the U.S. the typical agreement between a producer and a utility is a minimum of 85 to 100 pages long, in Germany the comparable contract is only 2 to 4 pages. Keep in mind, the more complex system is NOT working very well in the US and the simple, transparent system is proven and has been successful for over 10 years in Germany. Obviously this tells you everything you need to know about good old bureaucracy.
juan stefani
juan stefani
November 24, 2011
Hey Carlos

like I said anomynous is an AIR HEAD!

You can get on the list, there are 400.000.000 that think the same!
David Street
David Street
November 24, 2011
A great article and have to say interesting to see what the view point in the USA is surrounding Feed-In-Tariffs, of course there has been a lot of talk over the last two weeks surrounding FITs here in the UK.

I think there are lessons to be learnt from the situation in the UK as it continues to unfold, opportunities to ensure that as many people as possible have the ability to access renewable technologies.

In the UK, the link appears to have finally been made between payment of FITs, renewables and ensuring energy efficiency and this all come together through the Energy Act 2011. I do publish a blog with an unbiased view on all this information which you are more than welcome to view: www.rapidserv.blogspot.com

Although I do work within the industry, the location in which our business is situated has the potential to become the centre for renewables here in the UK and it is for this reason there are many within the industry situated within the city who offer their views and comments without a sales pitch.

I'd be more than happy to talk to anyone if they felt it would be useful.
Tim Dolan
Tim Dolan
November 24, 2011
I did not see SRECs mentioned in the article. I prefer SRECs over FITs because SRECs will inherently go away when you reach the desired goal. FITs require action to make them go away or to adjust them. FITs also look more like taxes to US citizens, while SRECs look like stocks.

While true SRECs have needed adjustment, it has been for the same reason as FITs needed adjustment, they worked too good. However in SRECs case, most of the adjustments or proposed adjustments have been to increase the requirements for solar. This seems to be an even better mechanism.

I do recognize that SRECs being more volatile in nature could make it more difficult to get a loan, but given that there are 5-year options for SRECs, that would seem to be acceptable stability for loan purposes.

However, as much as I prefer SRECs over FITs, I will take either if it gets us off our _____ and gets solar going at the speed it should be. The sooner we minimize our need for fossil fuels (please note the word minimize, not eliminate) the more we have for the future.
Carl Fern
Carl Fern
November 24, 2011
As a German and I can tell you that
Anonymous, does not have any brains nor knowledge
he is just like the typical politician
too much talk and no substance.
Germany has 11++ years of renewable energy and yes, we are
doers no talkers.
One day he will pay to mother nature what the he is doing to the environment.
do something instead of spraying your stupidity.
Cliff Goudey
Cliff Goudey
November 24, 2011
Orangehouse, the problem with the free market is it's apparent inability to account for the way fossil energy has successfully externalized so many of its costs. Others have tried to account for these costs and along with the direct taxpayer subsidies it is clear that these non-renewable sources cost us way more than their price at the meter or the pump. FITs are a feeble way of leveling the playing field so renewables can compete. The 10%+ increment reported in comment #17 is a start, but falls short in many ways.
Brian Thomas
Brian Thomas
November 24, 2011
I am surprised it took 19 comments before someone mentioned the power/energy error. Renewable Energy World should be embarrased by this elementary error so central to its primary mission! Also, your comment about utilities being a monopoly is not true in Texas. I have many options, but choose to buy my electricity from a company that uses 100% renewables.

Steven is right, and mandated price-controlls of any kind are always inferior to free market solutions (Thomas Sewell). However, it seems to me that we have not figured out how to do well is incorporate the external costs into the free market solution. I agree that FITs would provide stability to RE investors, but they are simply forcing everyone else to pay (for the RE system which benefits from the FIT) through increased rates passed on to them.
ANONYMOUS
November 24, 2011
Trash writes in comment #17: "There is NO uncertainty in the FITs, because they are reduced in a previously announced manner and the reductions are only valid for new-built facilities."

This merely means there is no uncertainty for those installing new generation capacity. However, the FITs were intended to promote an industry and if you are targeting a certain share of a market with a new product a measure of visibility on prices would be nice. Companies that based their estimates of the FITs established a few years ago now have to deal with much lower rates than they anticipated and must also factor in an estimate of further decline. FITs have not significantly lowered the pricing uncertainty for their products. If anything, the oversized initial FITs caused too many companies to enter the market place to meet current demand and this has led to a serious glut in PV panels. FIT prices are re-evaluated periodically to try to match new capacity additions to targeted capacity additions. This is not the same as knowing what the rates will be at any given time. Uncertainty is very much alive in the German PV market.
Steven
Alexandre Escada
Alexandre Escada
November 24, 2011
Energy is measured in Wh (Watts hour) not in Watts, that is a power measurement unit.
In 2008 the World energy was 132000 TWh (wikipedia) and that is equivalent to an average power consumption of 15TW (like if at anytime, there was a power of 15TW being delievered).

Without entering into the details if a FIT is a tax or someone paying for something, the true is that many renewables are directly much more expensive than per ex fossile. Obvious there are indirect costs, like health costs from polution that must be taken into account.

Refering numbers of the ammount of energy that is contained in the sun that hits Earth, from tides, ... is pointless if there is no reasonable way to harvest it. The energy produced by the Sun in a year is in the order of 1E41 erg - now let's go get it :)

Renweable energy adoption faster than expected with FITs is not always a good sign. In the case of Germany it means that they are now producing more clean energy - great; but it also means that they have paid more money for technical inferior products.

Overall the article is interesting.
Anumakonda Jagadeesh
Anumakonda Jagadeesh
November 24, 2011
Yes. Feed in Tariffs helped in countries like Germany,Spain,Denmark helped the Renewable Energy progress.

Dr.A.Jagadeesh Nellore(AP),India
E-mail: anumakonda.jagadeesh@gmail.com
Birk Kraas
Birk Kraas
November 24, 2011
Hi all,

as a German let me add three things:
- Yes, the FIT is above market prices for energy. The overcosts generated are distributed to private households via the electricity bill. That means, no industry is killed by rising energy costs as some people here argumented. For the single household, that means a rise in electricity price of about 3 €-cent/kWh, which is slightly above 10%.
- Regarding market-enabling characteristics of the FIT: Yes, there is a whole new market created. Every house owner or farmer can easily become an independent power producer which in the long term will weaken the monopolist structures of the electricity market and democratize power supply. Also, almost everyone can participate, if you do not have an own house or ground, you can participate in community solar or wind parks.
- There is NO uncertainty in the FITs, because they are reduced in a previously announced manner and the reductions are only valid for new-built facilities. Existing ones remain at their FIT level, so that return on investment is GUARANTEED. That is why you get a bank loan within days.
Howard Johnson
Howard Johnson
November 24, 2011
Or :

http://www.dsireusa.org/
Howard Johnson
Howard Johnson
November 24, 2011
just do it ! !

http://www.solarfeedintariff.net/
ANONYMOUS
November 23, 2011
The author writes: "The FIT has proven superior to any other program currently in use around the world, such as subsidies with public money, tendering models and quota models. "

The author conveniently fails to define any metric for what success is. FIT proponents repeat the term "successful German FIT policy" as if it is a mantra. This is a very successful practice if one is brainwashing or advertising, but it suggests that their case is not made by conventional metrics. Certainly if one establishes a policy whereby one pays greatly in excess of the market clearing rate for a product one can expect to acquire a large amount of that product. PV vendors would naturally consider such policies a great success--it allows them to sell product in higher volumes and at higher prices than would otherwise be the case. Ratepayers might have an entirely different perspective, especially as Germany has one of the highest electricity rates in Europe (a rate that is more than double the average rate in the US). Evidence that FITs have spurred innovation in renewable technologies or accelerated cost reductions is entirely lacking. The policy whereby smaller installations receive higher FIT payments is particularly inefficient; it increases energy prices, leads to lower CO2 reductions, and subsidizes a segment of the market that cannot compete in the absence of special support. It is especially ironic that most of the world's installed base of PV panels are placed in cloudy locations.

The qualifier "currently in use" was carefully chosen to eliminate some obvious policies that would be far more efficient and effective than FITs are. For example, a carbon tax or a ban on new coal-fired generation without CO2 sequestration would both be policies that would promote renewable usage while allowing market forces to select technology winners. FITs are a top-down market control mechanism and, as a class, such mechanisms have never been successful strategies.
Steven
ANONYMOUS
November 23, 2011
The author writes: "FITs eliminate uncertainty thereby encouraging private investment, which results in more taxable income from new companies and jobs in the industry."

FITs have considerable uncertainty in them because they are constantly being revised. The Spanish FIT debacle should serve as a clear counter example to the claim that FITs lead to industry stability. Indeed, a strong argument can be made that European FITs have accentuated the boom and bust cycles we have seen in the solar PV industry. Initially, they stimulated demand beyond what silicon vendors could provide raw materials for, which kept prices artificially high even for poor products. Now there is a glut of PV panels on the market and companies are dropping like flies. German policy, in particular, has targeted a constant increase in PV of 3500 MW/year, and this seems tailor made to lead to boom/bust cycles. New technologies do not usually prosper in an environment where product demand is going to be roughly constant in time.
Steven
ANONYMOUS
November 23, 2011
The author writes: "FITs do not depend on taxpayer contributions (it is not a subsidy) and no new public debt is needed to fund it, which is ideal in the current recession environment."

Some might argue that FITs are WORSE than taxes. They are government mandated fees assessed to ratepayers (i.e., energy users) without regard to income. This makes them very regressive; if, for example, you are a poor pensioner who can just barely afford to keep his lights on, FITs hit you very hard. In the US (and many other countries), the Federal treasury is mainly funded by a progressive income tax, so if renewable energy is funded from the general treasury the costs would not fall on those least able to pay. Furthermore, Government spending, and the taxes needed to finance it, have high visibility so the effectiveness of the policies is subject to a measure of review. FITs put additional layers of bureaucracy between those forced to fund them and those making the policy. This is a situation that is ripe for corruption: special benefits are given out to an elite group that becomes highly grateful to those implementing the policy and the costs are bourn by a group that has limited awareness of the process and little input into the policies.

Steven
ANONYMOUS
November 23, 2011
FOR COMMENT 9 AND AIRHEAD UZZI
YES I ACTAULLY ORDER THE EQUIPMENT FOR RESIDENTIAL SOLAR PROJECTS

I ALSO SELL REPLACEMENT PARTS AND OTHER ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT.

KEEP IN MIND THE LARGE COMMERCIAL SOLAR ENRGY PLANTS ARE DIFFERENT THAN RESIDENTIAL AND I SELL RELATED ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT (not mirrors) TO THAT INDSUTRY SEGMENT

WE ARE ALL LOOKING AT POWER FROM HYRDOKINETICS; ALSO IN 10 YEARS LOOK FOR NEW APPLICANCES BASED ON DC POWER FOR ADDED EFFICIENCY
DC POWER IS BEING INSTALLED NOW IN A FEW COMMERCIAL APPLICATIONS ON A LIMTED BASIS.

YES I HAVE A SMALL SIDE INCOME FROM FAMILY OIL AND GAS WELL AND YES I DID LIVE THROUGH THE KATRINA POWER GRID RECONSTRUCTION
juan stefani
juan stefani
November 23, 2011
Hey Peter way to go!
Don t worry about Anonymous he is an air head.
Every one got your point!
Peter Lynch
Peter Lynch
November 23, 2011
Ron - good point. What I say is needed is a carefully designed FIT. In Germany they do have a "special" way that they handle certain cases - in most of the examples I have seen they use Aluminum companies - good call.

Anonymous - this is a article (overview) not a book. BTW do you have any actual hands on experience with solar or is all this from what you read ?
Ron Peterson
Ron Peterson
November 23, 2011
FITs increase the price to the consumer and if that consumer is an aluminum refiner, that could put the consumer out of business.

Solar should be installed where the price of electricity is high and sunlight is available.

Companies should be able to depreciate solar arrays very quickly to match the drop in array pricing.
ANONYMOUS
November 23, 2011
here is a link everyone can explain remember your local solar company uses a similar information
Please read all notes; make sure you add the info for your back up battery system and also racks and inverters plus external cooling if required

1,000 watts = 1 kw

http://www.wholesalesolar.com/

add PARKER Precision Cooled Rack-Ready Solution (for Solar inverter systems) (TAKEN FROM RENEWABLE ENERGY.COM)
ANONYMOUS
November 23, 2011
TO Comment 4

NREL SOALR CHARTS ARE BASED ON 5 HRS PER DAY/24 APPROX 20% ADD FOR INEFFICIENT MAN MADE EQUIPMENT?

HOW MANY CLOUDY AND SNOW DAYS?

HOW MUCH SMOG; LEAVES AND DUST ACCUMULATION?

HOW MUCH TOPOGRAPHY CHANGES?

HOW MUCH WARE AND TEAR DUE TO CHEMICAL CYCLING OF HEAT (FROM RADIATION) VS COLD?.

HOW MANY WEATHER AFFECTS AND SOLAR FLARES BEEN FACTORED IN?

IT IS NICE TO QUOTE AVERAGES BUT WHAT IS AVERAGE SINCE UNPREDICTABLE CAN NOT BE INCLUDED.

YES CLIMATE CHANGE DOES EXSIT BUT FOSSIL FUEL IS NOT THE MAIN CAUSE.

LOW LEVEL OZONE PLUS ALL MAN MADE STRUCTURES ON EARTH DESTROYING THE HEAT SINK OF THE EARTH. CALL IT INEFFICIENT LAND USE DUE TO GREED.

AS FAR AS CARBON CAN YOU LIVE WITHOUT THE 6000 PLUS CARBON BY PRODUCTS?

IF YOU CAN YOU JUST KILLED YOUR USE OF ENERGY FROM SOLAR AND WIND WHICH REQUIRE NUMEROUS CARBON BY PRODUCTS TO PRODUCE ENERGY
Peter Lynch
Peter Lynch
November 23, 2011
Anonymous the direct solar radiation numbers are from the BP Statistical Review of World Energy 2008 - with significant discounts applied. The direct sunlight number is from only land masses and is discounted 65% due to losses through the atmosphere and clouds.

In addition - you are missing the point. We need to accelerate the expansion of renewables BECAUSE fossil fuels are not good for the future of our planet....I assume you have heard of climate change?
ANONYMOUS
November 23, 2011
during an average four-week period is roughly 1,853 TW/yrs.

Most experts including the NREL put the usable portion of 1,853 TW/yr unpredictable inefficient energy at a figure south of 20%.

FIT is just a fancy term used for mandated alternative energy sources. Using Germany or even Europe as examples shows your lack of independent knowledge when it comes taxes

Here in America we are under a different taxing system along with a different grids with locals and state governments and energy supplied by contractors/companies not 1 central government.

The current tax system for energy production was changed in 1986 by a democratic congress to increase domestic energy production from all forms including solar and wind. Push for changes in the current tax system will affect your utility rate; rate of return on investments; 401k and retirement programs
and energy companies are then free to shot down energy production and in some cases take their equipment and move.

Now let me destroy your monopoly statement; hers in the New Orleans areas we have one major electric power company subdivided into smaller s corporations
as allowed by Congress.

We had an event called Katrina will damage was widespread the major electric power was able to break down the damages costs to each local or the separate operating systems by parish/county.
People living in Baton Rouge or Houston were not charged for the damages to the New Orleans system.
William Skaff
William Skaff
November 23, 2011
Fantastic article. We in Colorado have taken the first step by having a net metering law. We need to go 1 step further and make FITs the law. Exel Energy just lost its contract with Boulder County because its policy of NOT reducing the impacts of fossil fuels. Boulder County is going to own its electric utility and hopefully include FITS in its energy mix.PS. The top 8 officers in Exel make $58,000,000, an outrage to the people of Boulder.
Cliff Goudey
Cliff Goudey
November 23, 2011
Peter writes, "FITs major opponent is the local electric utility." Is this factual? Can't they simply these costs on to the customer. I see the opposition as purely from fossil energy advocates and the various business interests wrongly convinced that FITs will hurt their bottom lines.

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