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1 of 29
October 4, 2011
Although we operate a small scale RE biz I find these large scale innovations intriguing. Collaboration, if it can thrive, will extend the age of abundant energy, since traditionally energy has been more about competition which tends towards waste ie(combined heat and power versus centralized power w/cooling towers).
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2 of 29
October 5, 2011
Large scale utility companies can store intermittent energy generated by solar and wind power at very low cost using super capacitors made of paper painted with carbon nanotubes which can be charged and discharged 40,000 times. In comparison Lithium Ion batteries can only be charged 300 - 500 times before needing replacement.

After its useful life is over, the paper coated with nanotubes in the battery can be easily burnt which will safely destroy the nano materials in the battery.
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3 of 29
October 5, 2011
IN THIS INNOVATION THIS IS A HYBRID OF THE PRESENT HYDRO POWER GENERATION HYDRAULICS TO A NEW TECHNOLOGY CALLED "RUN OF THE OCEAN" .

A BILLION MEGAWATTS CAN BE GENERATED WITH LIMITED WATER AND VERY LITTLE SPACE.

WITH AN INVESTMENT OF JUST 30 BILLION US$ 2400000000 KWH OF GREEN ELECTRICITY PER DAY IS GENERATED.

JUST 10 GENERATOR-TURBINES OF 1000 MEGAWATTS EACH , ARRANGED IN CASCADING MANNER SLANTINGLY SLOPPILY,DIAGONALLY DOWN.
IF WE REMOVE A PIT OF 450 METERS DEEP AND 10 KILOMETERS LONG HAVING 500 METERS WIDTH AND MAKE A 150 DIAMETER PIPE SLIDE DIAGONALLY DOWN FROM ONE CORNER OF THE PIT TO ANOTHER CORNER THEN 5 POWER HOUSES WILL BE IN THE 10 KILOMETERS LONG PIT HAVING 450 METERS DEPTH AND 5 POWER HOUSES WILL BE ABOVE THE 450 METERS DEEP PIT.

THE 5 POWER HOUSES IN THE 450 METERS DEEP PIT WILL GENERATE ELECTRICITY AND IS CONSUMED BY THE PUMPS TO LIFT 96000 CUBIC METERS WATER PER SECOND TO TOTAL PUMP NET HEAD OF 650 METERS ( 150 METERS ABOVE THE 450 METERS DEEP PIT)
WATER IS PUMPED INTO A 150 METERS DEEP RESERVOIR AND 5 POWER HOUSES WILL BE DIAGONALLY FROM 650 METERS TOWARDS THE VERY FIRST POWER HOUSE (P1).

THERE IS 150 METERS HEAD FOR ALL 10 POWER HOUSES AND 5 POWER HOUSE GENERATOR-TURBINES WILL GET JUST 96000 CUBIC METERS WATER TO BE ROTATED FROM P1 TO P10 AND GENERATE UNLIMITED ELECTRICITY.

POWER = HEAD 150 METERS X 96000 CUBIC METERS PER SECOND X 9.81 GRAVITY X 60% EFFICIENCY = 84758400 KWH OF GREEN ELECTRICITY PER JUST ONE POWER HOUSE AND EVERY HOUR.

SO 10 POWER HOUSES WILL GENERATE EVERY HOUR = 84758400 KWH OF GREEN ELECTRICITY PER JUST ONE POWER HOUSE AND EVERY HOUR X 10 POWER HOUSES GENERATION =847584000 KWH PER HOUR.

IN 24 HOURS THE TOTAL GENERATION WILL BE 20342016000 KWH OF PURE GREEN ELECTRICITY.

PUMP CONSUMPTION WILL BE 14400000000 KWH IN 24 HOURS.

NET PROFIT WILL BE FOR SALE = 5942016000 KWH @ 1 CENT = 5942016000 CENTS PER EVERY DAY NET REVENUE.
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4 of 29
October 5, 2011
WITH CASCADING ARRANGEMENT i.e. ONE POWER HOUSE AFTER ANOTHER DIAGONALLY SLANTINGLY SLOPPILY ARRANGEMENT WITH 2 WAY POWER GENERATION ( LIKE THE ARROW MARK )THERE WILL BE 3 RESERVOIRS,ONE IS TO STORE PUMPED WATER 2 TAIL PONDS ACTING AS A RESERVOIRS.IN THIS TECHNOLOGY WATER WILL BE CONTINUOUSLY ROTATED AND UNLIMITED ELECTRICITY GENERATED.SMALL TURBINES EXAMPLE 2 MW WILL BE USED FOR LOCAL POPULATION IN A LIMITED AREA.
THE CONCEPT:
IF WE TAKE 4 THOUSAND HOUSES THEN EACH HOUSE WILL HAVE AT LEAST 4 PEOPLE MOM,DAD,2 CHILDREN.IF EACH HOUSE USES 1000 LITERS PER DAY(24HRS) THEN IN 30 DAYS THE TOTAL WATER WILL BE STORED (4000 HOUSES X 1000 LITERS DAILY X 30 DAYS = 120000000 LITERS OR 120000 CUBIC METERS WATER)SO WE SHOULD STORE 2 MONTHS WATER IN (10 ACRE LAND WITH 10 METERS HEIGHT) RESERVOIR CONSTRUCTED ON THE EARTH IN THIS RESIDENTIAL AREA. A 50 METERS DEEP PIT SHOULD BE REMOVED NEXT TO THE RESERVOIR AND THE PIT LENGTH SHOULD BE 2000 METERS LONG HAVING 6 METERS WIDE.THE RESERVOIR WILL ACT AS A HEAD AND IN THE 50 METERS DEEP PIT A 6DIAMETER PIPE SHOULD BE PLACED FROM THE BOTTOM SIDE OF THE RESERVOIR AND THE 6 DIAMETER PIPE SHOULD SLIDE DIAGONALLY SLANTINGLY SLOPPILY DOWN TO THE VERY BOTTOM OF THE 50 METERS DEEP PIT.THE PIPE AND THE PIT WILL BE 2000 METERS LONG.FOR EVERY 200 METERS THERE WILL BE ONE 2 MW POWER HOUSE(2000/2=10 POWER HOUSES WILL BE THERE IN THE PIT.POWER GENERATED FROM EACH 2 MW POWER HOUSE P= 16 (M) HEAD X 20M3/SEC X 9.81 GRAVITY X 60% EFFICIENCY =1883.52 KWH OF ELECTRICITY GENERATED PER ONE HOUR SO 10 POWER HOUSES WILL GENERATE = 18835.2 KWH OR 18.835.2 MW PER HOUR CONNECT THIS GENERATED ELECTRICITY TO PUMP CONSUMPTION AND YOU HAVE ANOTHER 20 CASCADING POWER HOUSES(2MW) FROM THE PUMPED OUT WATER TO A PUMP NET HEAD OF 100 METERS,A SMALL RESERVOIR TO STORE 100M3/SECOND WILL KEEP ON RECEIVING 20M3/SEC AND ONCE AGAIN WATER FLOWS DOWN(10 METERS DEPTH RESERVOIRHEAD)6 DIAMETERS PIPE SLIDES DIAGONALLY DOWN AND 20 POWER HOUSES WILL GENERATE ELECTRICITY.
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5 of 29
October 5, 2011
A KIND NOTE THE ABOVE SAID APPLICATION IS JUST A IDEA WE ALL SHOULD THINK BIG SO THAT A GOOD IDEA TAKES SHAPE AND THERE WILL BE A PROPER SOLUTION TO TODAY'S BURNING PROBLEMS.I HAVE A WORKING PROTOTYPE MODEL AND I AM GENERATING ELECTRICITY.IN ANOTHER FEW MONTHS WE WILL COME INTO COMMERCIAL GENERATION.
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6 of 29
October 5, 2011
Steve,

I'm not going to teach you (for you of course know it) that 'Solar Energy' includes both photons radiation (converted into electricity or thermal energy using solar cells or thermal panels, respectively), and wind energy (which can be converted into mechanical and electrical energy). The advantages of using both (direct and indirect) forms of solar energy, at the same location, are well known, and indeed make perfect sense.

People ought to start understanding the basics of energy concepts in general, and the origin and diversity of various renewable energy forms in particular before they could understand the need and become 'good' (read knowledgeable) consumers of more than just one form of renewable energy.

I can't agree more that 'until storage becomes a cost-effective option, wind and solar will share the same difficulties.' Until such time that the hydrogen economy (producing the hydrogen through water electrolysis, storing it, and re-converting it into the desired form of energy, i.e. using fuel cells, etc) starts being implemented, while still growing rather rapidly, the share of solar energy into the total energetic balance will remain rather limited.

What about hydro-power, bio-fuels, etc - which are among the other well known ways to harness solar energy?
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7 of 29
October 5, 2011
All these costly options to generate power seem to be further away from the real solutions and ideas of the English Victorians.
They created unlimited power at very little cost with hydraulic, water power, this was in perfect working order even lifting loaded train wagons from ground level at London Road Goods Station to trains on the higher level at London Road Passsenger Station until 1960.When British Rail in the pursuit of cash subsidies scrapped the lot.
Rochdale Council is I believe experimenting with a proposed chain of water turbines on local rivers, is this not the cheapest and most relible method of harnessing free natural power to generate electricity.
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8 of 29
October 5, 2011
Until Connell and Finnegan on behalf of British Rail, demolished London Road Station in Manchester to change it for some unknown reason to Manchester Piccadilly Station, the old station was powered almost completely by water power with energy to spare. By using the energy unused, water powered turbines could probably have generated enough electricity to power the whole station for all time.
But with only easy subsidies in mind, the one track railway carried on to obvious bankruptcy and an everlasting problem.
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9 of 29
October 5, 2011
Good combinations and ideas. However; what about combining Offshore Energy extraction into one Coordinated System: Wave, Wind, Ebb/Tide and cold water from the deep. The wave energy extraction system gives leveled power through the whole 360 degree wave cycle.
Apart from generating scalable energy to be fed into the network, the system is ideal for water desalination Sea Water Air Conditioning and to supply power and SWAC to Offshore oil rigs.
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10 of 29
October 5, 2011
Good Article pointing that all options should be open, including new discoveries like mine: Utilization of static pressure potential energy. As mentioned by one of responders - this idea is not new when using water towers static pressure.
My discovery is allowing to use static pressure of deep water or compressed air to be converted directly into rotary motion by invented device. Deep water static pressure delivered into enclosure of device, creates huge torque with rotational shaft rpm limited by load. Be sure the depth over 10m and the deeper-the better. Other story with compressed air static pressure. First static pressure needs to be created, but after this it acts as rechargable battery with using only static pressure comming from small tank. This can be used for very effective energy storage (current compressed air storage converts it to kinetic flow) or for car power train to increase travel distance (air is lost only for leakage). This idea functionally tested and I hope will become major energy source from ocean, car idea will allow to eliminate CO2 from urban areas with easy and fast recharge. In conjunction with deep water it will eliminate fossil fuel use for good. Also it will eliminate discussions for subsidies required for alternative energy. It is simple and inexpensive. Most important invisible and no harm to marine life and benefits for humans. Help to make this a reality.....
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11 of 29
Anonymous
October 5, 2011
Suggestion: Write in mixed case. It is more readable by the human eye.
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12 of 29
Anonymous
October 5, 2011
The author states that wind and solar are (too) variable to be reliably useful (by our paltry egoic preferences, perhaps). Yet, 3.5 or so, billion years of carboniferous evolution have proven that they are the only energy sources that are reliable. Granted, it is only aproximately that long a time, it is not forever. so it can't be proven. So, why not burn the carbon completely and quickly, (in evolutionary time), and see what happens? Shure, there have been other mass extinctions evident in the past from rapid climate change or sky obscurations, but they were probably from meteoroids or some other "foreign" bodies, anyway, not really proven or preventable. Now-a-days, evolution must be led by new thought paradigms, such as" more (power, money, wealth, control) for me- screw you". The leading politicos and industrialists we all look up to and revere all think this way, so it is obviously the "best way" to advance. Any idiot can see that. We have plenty of those to verify it. Push for greed! It's the quickest way to find out stuff!
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13 of 29
October 5, 2011
"Push for greed!" That is correct. "Push for greed!"
Its the best way to get past the cost of changing the way we do things. We need better marketing by the Feds showing the convenience, ease of access, better technical support, less maintenance, lower maintenance costs, increase in resale value, lower taxes, less regulations, and any other interesting verbiage they can think up. Is +100/month cell phone technology cheaper for the average user today than $5/month phone services for landlines mandated in the 60,s? Is a car (no matter how its powered) less expensive than a cab/plane/train? Really!!! Promotion simply means providing advertising and rebates (tax or otherwise)for goods/services/

Start promoting "Solar4H2O.com ," aquaculture, water, and wastewater treatment. It works, is cost effective, and pays for itself quickly. Get involved. Add products. Add services. Just add.
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14 of 29
October 5, 2011
This type of inovation is what RE is. Reciprocal engergy & waste - a new model in the energy business that keeps cost down - both running and initial investment & infrastructure costs are kept down -
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15 of 29
Anonymous
October 6, 2011
Shamil,
Combining wind ,wave and tidal flow as you say is the way forward for our future.We are waiting to get a grant of patent on this concept.The days of investors throwing millions at existing rotary wind turbines will soon be a thing of the past.
Yet this practise still keeps expanding. It shows us that the future of renewables is about who has the money to prevent anyone getting in on this lucrative business. Regards Joe.UK.
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16 of 29
October 6, 2011
Sorry Shamil, not being rude or arrogant; but you and many other interested persons have the wrong end of the stick,it is not investors throwing millions of pounds that are the danger; because they only do it once if at all.
It is the windmill exploiters making millions of pounds out of the business now that are the national danger, once again as far as the U.K is concerned our very dependable RIVERs are the best proposition.
Fortunately our lib. con. government has seen a glimmer of light, and at least the windmills of the future wil most probably be home made.
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17 of 29
October 6, 2011
To Anonymous-Comment 16: Thanks for your support and insterest. The Coordinated Offshore Energy Extraction system, Wave, Wind and Ebb/Tide is already Patented. We need to cooperate with European firms for marketing, coordination and execution of projects in Europe. We had requested CRE to modify their speccification (for 17 Billion US$ 10-year projet)to allow selected contractors) to bid the COEE as an alternate.

To Mr. Harold=Philbin: Again thanks. All we are sysing, ONCE an Offshore energy extraction system is contemplated, it is worth investigating other systems like the COEE. It is beyond my imagination to see a 20 or 30 megawatt generator installed on top of a wind turbine mast. We have proposed a smalller size wind turbine and removed the generator from top of the mast to a dry deck 6-meters above Mean Sea Leve.I agree with your comment 'it is not investors throwing millions of pounds at anything that is the danger, because they only do it once, if at all'.
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18 of 29
October 6, 2011
'Solar and wind are clean'

Chinese City Halts Solar Plant Operation After Violent Protests

Villagers gathered at the gate of the solar panel producer and overturned eight vehicles and damaged four police cars in protests on Sept. 15 and Sept. 16, according to the report.

Jinko Solar Holding Co. was forced to shut down its plant in Haining city, west of Shanghai, by the local government. That followed several days of protests by hundreds of residents, who claim the plant pollutes the air and local waterways.
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19 of 29
October 6, 2011
Renewable energy partnerships hold great potential for smalls-scale projects around the world. Southwest Windpower is seeing increased interest in wind-solar hybrid systems—often with diesel or propane backup generation—where the grid is strained or non-existent, and where small amounts of energy are needed to power street lights, water pumping, communications towers or monitoring devices. The challenge is to create unified, reliable systems that contain best-in-class technology for each component. Southwest Windpower's recent alliance with Advanced Technology & Research Corp., for advanced GPS-controlled solar tracking technology to combine with our wind power systems, is a step in this direction.
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20 of 29
October 6, 2011
First off, I hate to be so negative, but I find it disappointing to see that so many of the other commenters on this board are generally using it as a sounding board to push the particular technology that they favor. Where are the moderate, reasoned voices here that understand the drawbacks with each particular technology?

Now to my question. The last part of the article "Geothermal and Oil" indicates that we are wasting lots of geothermal energy in the form of hot waste water from west Texas oil wells. However, I don't think we're getting the full story here. How hot is the water exactly, and how hot does water need to be to make an economically viable geothermal plant? My guess is that if the water were sufficiently hot and voluminous, even those dirty oil barons would have long ago developed geothermal power stations to profit off of the opportunity, if it were low hanging fruit. If anybody has insight on this point, please advise.
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21 of 29
October 6, 2011
Great article. Thanks!
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22 of 29
October 6, 2011
'How hot is the water exactly, and how hot does water need to be to make an economically viable geothermal plant? My guess is that if the water were sufficiently hot and voluminous, even those dirty oil barons would have long ago developed geothermal power stations to profit off of the opportunity, if it were low hanging fruit. If anybody has insight on this point, please advise.'
From: "Jake Rudisill" j.rudisill@meridianenergyusa.com
To: bpayne37@comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 4:37:20 PM
Subject: Heat Rate misconception

Mr. Payne,

The definition of heat rate is not the heat content of just the fossil fuel inputting the conversion system—it is the conversion efficiency of the system with whatever is the heat input.

Every plant's heat rate can thus be calculated.

Geothermal energy has a very high heat rate because it utilizes a relatively low grade of heat source—at its best, 350F, 100 psi steam, and thus 1200 btu/lbm. In a modern gas-fired boiler, steam is at 1000F and 2500 psi, with a much higher heat content of around 1770 btu/lbm.

http://www.simetric.co.uk/si_supersteam.htm

http://www.energyvortex.com/energydictionary/heat_rate.html

heat rate

A measurement used in the energy industry to calculate how efficiently a generator uses heat energy. It is expressed as the number of BTUs of heat required to produce a kilowatt-hour of energy. Operators of generating facilities can make reasonably accurate estimates of the amount of heat energy a given quantity of any type of fuel, so when this is compared to the actual energy produced by the generator, the resulting figure tells how efficiently the generator converts that fuel into electrical energy.

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/power-plant-efficiency-d_960.html

Heat Rate (Energy Efficiency)

Overall thermal performance or energy efficiency for a power plant for a period can be defined as

fhr = H / E (1)

where

fhr = heat rate (Btu/kW, kJ/kW)

H
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23 of 29
October 7, 2011
sorry to change the topic slightly, we are all talking about renewable collaborations and possible ppp(private,public partnerships)opportunities, so here's the question- is there talk out their about a "global energy reserve" in the process of being set up using renewable technologies (kwh) as the currency!!!
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24 of 29
October 7, 2011
Bill,

Thanks for your response. I'm a mechanical engineer and your answer brings back lukewarm memories of my heat transfer and thermodynamics classes, admittedly 6 years ago so it's a bit fuzzy right now. So geothermal energy uses STEAM at 350 F... what we're still missing is how hot the WATER is coming out of the oil wells as mentioned in the article. I also emphasize the words steam and water because as you may know, a steam turbine needs exactly that... steam. Hot water won't do the trick.
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25 of 29
October 7, 2011
Hello Ryan,

My expertise is hopefully in 8051 microcontroller hardware and software. Google 'embedded conrtoller forth for the 8051 family'.

One of my INTERESTS [not expertise or abilty] is in energy.

I'm a bit suspicious of alternergy claims on basis of possible second law of thermodyamics violations.
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26 of 29
October 8, 2011
Once again the concept of Negawatts is neglected in the debate on energy production, this time distorting the true viability of alternative energy resources.

The reduction in energy demand through reduction in gross energy wastage - through energy conservation, energy efficiency, recycling and harvesting of ambient energy - has the additional benefit of reducing adequate storage capacity to levels that are affordable even with the crude methods available now.

The engagement of energy supply companies in investment in the 'generation' of Negawatts would change the whole equation in favour of alternative energy from renewable energy resources.

Since in the long run it is imperative that we cease to be dependent on fossil fuels, the ideal way forward is private autonomous energy supplies with minimal dependence central generators other than for large corporate energy hungry users and for a national or communal peak load standby supply.

It is in this scenario that it will be advantageous in this context the integration of all energy supply companies work together, not only on the supply side but on the provision and maintenance on the consumption side.

I understand that this is already happening in the US and now in the UK power suppliers are getting involved directly in energy conservation of their clients building for instance.
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27 of 29
October 8, 2011
NYT reporter Ian Urbina expresses concern about fracking on front page of Sunday times.

Editorial comments welcome.

http://www.prosefights.org/nmgco/nmgco.htm#homan1

We will not send until Monday.
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28 of 29
RM
October 13, 2011
Many options. Subway mass transit for L.A., with BART in bay
area, and Mexico City subway will give pollution, traffic, and
fossil fuels a solution. Note that a 25 mpg car (mine)is 100 mpg in a train/subway. Underground, no traffic and ground used for people and plants.

Also, CSP trough solar was $.25/kwh and down to $.04-.05/kwh with learning curve. With the internet and intelligence going forward at exponencial pace, PV solar will come down in price and more used. Probably solar with indium/gallium/nitride in multi-junction PV cells will be the best, driven by LED lights, computer chips, and OLED t.v. engineering not electricity.
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29 of 29
October 13, 2011
Fracking, New York Times and Pulitzer prize.

Scroll up.

http://www.prosefights.org/nmgco/nmgco.htm#homan1
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