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Planning for the Challenges of Offshore Wind

Careful planning and risk evaluation are essential to successfully implementing highly sophisticated projects such as offshore wind farms.

Marios Papalexandrou, Mott MacDonald
October 11, 2011  |  21 Comments

Offshore wind is a new market; it has been just two decades since the first commercial installation. The sector was born mainly due to lack of space for the development of large onshore wind projects in the densely populated areas of Western Europe. The market first evolved in Denmark in 1991 with the construction of the Vindeby offshore wind farm. But real market growth came some 10 years later with construction of Middelgrunden, followed by Horns Rev, which became the largest true offshore project, located some 14-20 km offshore with a total installed capacity of 160 MW.

In addition to Denmark, the U.K., Ireland, Sweden, the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, Japan and China have constructed offshore wind farms over the last decade. Other countries including France, Taiwan, Canada, the U.S., Greece and other European nations are also looking to tap into this resource. The U.K. market began project construction in 2003 and soon took the lion’s share, which it still holds, from Denmark. For the U.K., everything started with Crown Estate’s Round 1 demonstration projects in 13 locations with a total capacity of around 1 GW. Round 1 projects are quite close to shore (less than 10 km) in shallow waters (less than 15 metres), with an average capacity between 60 and 90 MW. Developers at that time were ambitious mid-sized companies, and the largest offshore wind turbine available was 3.6 MW.

Two years later the U.K. Round 2 projects were awarded, including 15 sites with a total capacity of 7 GW that are currently under construction. They have an average capacity between 150 MW and 500 MW in water depths up to 30 meters. The largest turbine commercially available is 6 MW, while the furthest offshore project under construction in the U.K. is 30 km. Today, developers are mainly large utilities. Simultaneously with these large U.K. developments, we see the first offshore wind farms being constructed in Germany — which, together with the U.K., is expected comprise the dominant market for the coming decade.

U.K. Round 3 projects include nine zones with a total capacity of 25 GW, expected to start construction in 2015. They will have an average capacity between 0.5 GW and 1 GW in water depths between 30 and 60 meters, and with distances to shore that may exceed 50 km. Projects of a similar size are also under development in Scottish territorial waters. New turbine manufacturers are expected to enter the market with turbine sizes up to 10 MW, considered state-of-the-art. Today, the UK has approximately 50 percent of the EU’s total installed offshore wind capacity, accounting for 1.5 GW and is expected to expand to more than 5 GW in 2015 — possibly reaching more than 25 GW by 2020.

So, the market is trending quite clearly toward building in deeper waters, further offshore, using larger machines and building many large wind farms. Considering just the U.K. market alone, about 1 GW in installations per year is expected until 2015, and possibly 4 GW each year after 2015.

This rapid expansion in such a short time has led to a number of projects considered prototypes, either because they use new technologies (new turbines, new foundations, new transmission technologies, new installation concepts) or because they move further offshore into deeper waters than ever before. Dealing with these types of projects poses major challenges for the industry. Can the supply chain follow the tremendous expansion rate of offshore wind development? What construction and technology risks are foreseen? Is the hardware there? Is the skilled manpower there?

Offshore wind farms are highly sophisticated projects that need careful planning and risk evaluation before they are implemented. (Source: Mott MacDonald)

Regarding the hardware, there is currently a shortage of vessels to be deployed for offshore foundation and turbine installation, but this shortfall is expected to be addressed by 2012. Most vessels used today originated with the oil and gas industry, but with significant expansion in offshore wind, dedicated installation vessels are now being ordered and built. These vessels can operate in deeper waters and larger weather envelopes, and are able to carry many more turbines and foundations. This minimises transportation cycles to the marshalling harbour and thus decreases installation time.

Supply of export cables, which transfer power to shore, is regarded as a critical item in the project schedule, as there are few cable suppliers and many projects to be connected. ABB, Nexans, Prysmian, NKT and NSW are the key submarine cable suppliers but more onshore cable suppliers are expected to join the market in the near future. For the moment, 132 kV and 150 kV HVAC export cables using XLPE insulation are the dominant types used, but as projects get larger and go further offshore 220 kV HVAC and High Voltage Direct Current (HVDC) cables are expected to be deployed. For a recent project a HVDC export cable was considered because there was no suitable HVAC cable of sufficient capacity available for delivery at the scheduled time. The advantage of HVDC transmission lines is their ability to transfer considerably more power larger distances per cable but at the cost of deploying expensive converter stations. New VSC systems will be used for HVDC links as the long-established current source HVDC systems are not suitable.

Another significant challenge for the market on a per-country basis is the capability of the transmission operator to plan and construct the appropriate infrastructure able to absorb and cope with large offshore wind energy generation. In the case of Germany, for example, the grid operator is responsible for energy transmission from the offshore transformer station to shore. This has created a headache for developers, as project planning is linked to the date of grid connection and involves a third party over which the project company has only limited control. On the other hand, in the long term this will create a transmission system that is well-designed to cope with large offshore projects.

In the U.K. market the developer has been responsible for the electrical infrastructure up to the onshore grid connection point, but the transmission link must be sold to a third party after construction. This system has given developers freedom to plan and implement the first offshore projects, but there have been planning issues in constructing the appropriate infrastructure for Round 3 projects, both for developers (especially regarding the beach landing point and the onshore cable route) and for transmission operators.

Ports and harbours seem to be another bottleneck that can hinder large offshore projects. Germany has invested in major port infrastructures (such as the port of Bremerhaven) in order to cope with the logistical demands of offshore wind expansion. This investment is supported at both state and government levels. But, unlike continental European ports, UK ports are generally privately owned, and thus owners are more cautious about investing in upgrades.

Turbine Challenges

Turbine technology is another key challenge for the market. Until recently, offshore wind was following in the footsteps of onshore wind technology development, with turbines considered as marinised onshore types. There are three turbine suppliers in Europe that own the lion’s share of the market: Vestas, Siemens and REpower. BARD and AREVA Multibrid have recently begun offshore operation, and many more are expected to enter the market, including Gamesa, Alstom, Clipper, Darwind, General Electric, Mitsubishi, 2-B Energy, Nordex, Doosan and others. This multiplicity of new entrants is likely to result in better commercial terms for developers. All of these turbines can be considered state-of-the-art, due either to the technology used or the turbine size upgrade. A rigorous test procedure, together with design built redundancies, is key to offering comfort to potential buyers and their investors. The development of offshore test sites for these turbines is considered very positive for testing their performance before serial production. The final selection of turbines will be a tradeoff between availability, track record and price/guarantees.

Thorough and continuous risk assessment throughout the project’s lifecycle, together with early engagement of market stakeholders, is key to avoiding cost and time overruns.

Building Manpower

Regarding skilled manpower, the rapid expansion rate of offshore wind has not been followed by a similar growth rate in trained and skilled personnel. Newcomers face problems, but even experienced players may encounter problems due to a rate and scope of expansion that does not allow for sufficient knowledge transfer.

A platform to share knowledge and experiences in offshore wind, to educate and train, would be a potential solution. A good example on a national level is the U.K.’s National Academy for Skills (Nuclear). Its role is to provide education and training, run events, offer services and develop expertise for the benefit of its members and the industry as a whole. A similar approach to offshore wind could be followed at a European level under the European Wind Energy Association (EWEA). It is promising that offshore oil and gas contracting and consulting companies are getting involved in the offshore wind sector; their experience gained in working in harsh offshore environments can be transferred. But can offshore wind jobs compete with offshore oil and gas in order to get experienced people on board? For the moment this problem seems prohibitive.

Construction Risks

Apart from the supply chain challenges that the industry faces, there are a number of risks with which each project has to cope. As offshore wind farm projects are capital-intensive and involve many contractors and interfaces, careful evaluation of construction risks is of paramount importance for a project’s success. There are two key items to be considered when installing offshore: weather conditions and vessel capability. Project completion can be affected because people tend to overestimate equipment capability and underestimate weather in the offshore environment. There are also cases where problems have occurred because the equipment available at the time, rather than the appropriate equipment, was used.

The quality of measured and predicted metocean data (including wind, waves, tide and swell) is key to a good understanding of the real site conditions at the wind farm location. When considering these data, a conservative approach should be taken toward vessel selection and project planning, with contingency plans for weather that is worse than expected, and plans that will allow for float between different contractors’ schedules so that the final project completion date is not affected. Vessels’ operational envelopes should be well understood in connection with the expected metocean conditions in order to ensure that the right tool is used within the planned schedule.

Other construction risks are related to understanding seabed conditions and poor design, especially in relation to cable installation. Although cable work counts for only seven percent of the total capital expenditure of an offshore project, most insurance claims and project delays are linked to the cable installation process. Many offshore projects have failed to achieve the correct burial depth or meet the scheduled installation deadline.

In many wind farms a failure of the connection between the monopile and the transition piece, known as grout, has led to vertical slippage. (Source: Mott MacDonald)

Two issues arose during construction of the Bligh Bank offshore wind farm. Bligh Bank utilises monopile foundations that were transported 46 km offshore, towed by a tug vessel. The monopiles were transported using hydraulic plugs in both ends to keep them sealed and floating. In two cases the monopiles sank due to failure of the hydraulic system in the plugs. A new solution had to be designed, and additional redundancy measures were taken which accounted for more stringent weather restrictions.

Another construction challenge that Bligh Bank faced was the grouting issue on monopile foundations. In many wind farms a failure of the connection between the monopile and the transition piece, known as grout, has led to vertical slippage: the transition piece slips a few millimetres towards the monopile, and this could affect the structural integrity of the foundations. At the time this issue was discovered, the foundations were already fabricated and were being installed. The Bligh Bank team spent considerable effort on a design solution that would cover the project’s lifetime, which has now been certified and implemented.

In both cases neither the project’s schedule nor its commercial viability were affected due to the fast response in managing these unforeseen issues. At the end of 2010 Belwind managed to finish the construction of the furthest offshore wind farm in the world, consisting of 55 turbines, in 15 months, on budget and with no accidents.

Building Success Offshore

So what makes a successful offshore wind project? The most important element is a track record: the involvement of experienced and skilled project managers and contractors. An offshore wind farm developed and constructed under current models is a sophisticated structure with complex interfaces needing strong management. Extensive knowledge of supply chain capabilities and planning interfaces will lead to a good understanding of potential risks. Thorough and continuous risk assessment throughout the project’s lifecycle, together with early engagement of market stakeholders, is key to avoiding cost and time overruns in these multi-million euro projects.

Furthermore, dealing with the multi-contract structure typically used for offshore wind farms requires an experienced and capable construction management team. The Bligh Bank construction management team, for example, was almost identical with the team that worked for the Princess Amalia (formerly Q7) offshore wind farm. This allowed the team to consider the lessons of the past and knowledge gained, while keeping a lessons-learned register. For instance, they implemented an extended quality control and health and safety inspection programme during project construction, which in part led to a project with zero accidents.

Thus, a mix of thoughtful project design, well-defined contractual arrangements and continuous risk management, orchestrated by competent project participants, is key to a project’s success. At the end of the day, that is what defines a good project: a strong and capable management team with the ability to plan and cope with unforeseen situations, collaborate and learn, without making compromises on quality and health and safety aspects.

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Dr. A. Cannara
Dr. A. Cannara
March 5, 2013
Lars, I agree, wise choices "...must be the choice between fossil and renewable power generation" -- wise choices.

The problem with wind generators, of any sort, in any location, is that they are inefficient and consume resources in greater amounts, and with more CO2 emissions, than other so-called 'renewables'.

One of teh key resources wind consumes is of necessity -- space. Because wind is extremely low in power density. It's 2nd-rder solar energy, coupled into the lowest energy-density fluid -- air.

So, despite all the promotions of wind power over decades, they remain inefficient, killing of some species, and demanding of backup power from other sources. All of those together make wind an expensive choice.

Now, some may not be environmentalists. They may just see wind as a way to make $ from 'green' organizations & laws. That's not what we need, given the very tragic situation world environments are in or entering quickly.

For environmental concerns, wind is the worst choice, because of its space requirements, its physical threats to flying species, its unusual transmission/conversion losses, and its demand for alternative backup power.

The best Danish wind farm showed an average capacity of <30% over 9 years. It generated the same amount of energy in 9 years ans one, 100-acre nuclear plant did in 1 year. And, in all those 9 years, Denmark had to depend on immediate backup power of 300MW from somewhere else, typically combustion generation. The absurdity of this to any engineer or environmentalist is clear.

There are jurisdictions around the world making sensible choices, such s the Calif "million solar roofs" initiative, the various on-structure solar installations at colleges and municipal buildings, and even individual towns requiring local solar on business & residential structures.. Here's just one example...
www.smartplanet.com/blog/bulletin/one-citys-proposed-solar-mandate/14119?tag=nl.e660&s_cid=e660&ttag=e660
Lars Jespersen
Lars Jespersen
March 5, 2013
Is this discussion giving any value at all!!?? I do not really see the need for discussing whether we should choose solar or wind power?? It must be the choice between fossile and renewable power generation and if the choice is renewable, both should be legitimate depending on location, conditions, infrastructure, etc. Mentioning Denmark and other Northern European areas windpower might be a better choice as solar should compete in conditions of dark winter periods, majority of overcasted days, snow covered panels. Likewise low wind, sunny areas might make it out for solar energy. And I feel quite sure you might find locations as well to benefit from a combination of the two.
And the article - by the way - is about offshore wind parks - which might be a little usuitable for solar panels...(o;
Dr. A. Cannara
Dr. A. Cannara
October 26, 2011
Well Anne, you can say whatever you want, but facts are facts and Sunpower cells are now 20% efficient in standard panels -- that's why they're designated E20 cells, as opposed to earlier E19, etc.

And, since you seem to lack some science, thin-film at <15% returns 85% to global warming as heat & IR.

You avoid the reality that windmills can't be placed near loads, so you apparently think a >8% transmission loss forever is ok. Most engineers don't.

And, you avoid the fact that winds are changing while windmills are fixed -- another fact scientists & engineers around the world know.

But back to practicality -- here's a school district that can't install a 300' windmill on campus but can do...

'SunPower installed systems at California High School, Dougherty Valley High School, Monte Vista High School, San Ramon Valley High School and Diablo Vista Middle School. Completed earlier this month, the five solar power systems feature 10,272 high-efficiency SunPower® E19 / 320 Solar Panels manufactured less than 40 miles away in Milpitas, Calif. Over the systems' 25-year life, the San Ramon Valley Unified School District is expected to save more than $20,000,000 in electricity costs that can be directed back into the District's general fund.'

So, what wind machine's transmission can run 25 years without repair and within 100' of its multi-MW load?

And what 400-ton wind machine (Siemens 5MW) doesn't need 2000 tons of coal, 1000 tons of concrete, and thousands of barrels of oil to fabricate, transport & erect?

Riddle us all that, Anne. As for 'FUD', you're trying hard at it, since the argument here is about wind power's defects, not local solar PV, which has none of the same defects. Again, leave a note for your descendents explaining what to do with all those 700-ton/MW contraptions & foundations that'll be sitting idly all over our countryside decades from now. There's a subsidy for ya!
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Anne van der Bom
Anne van der Bom
October 26, 2011
":but having a 300MW contingency when a 24-hour forecast is off by only 1ft/sec is a big deal to those responsible for distributing European power"

More FUD and rhetoric without supporting evidence. The operators have to adapt their grid all the time to changes in circumstances, changes in consumption. What do you think the operators in California have to do when the temperature forecast is off by 1 degree? Change is their business. Adaptation is routine. Don't say that just because of wind there is a problem. There isn't until you provide evidence to the contrary.

What is suspect is that you don't mention that solar power depends on the weather forecast just like wind. Every meteorologist knows that clouds are notoriously hard to predict.

"Keep on pushing wind for subsidy, because our descendents will be 'grateful' to have to clean it all up."

Huh? Another fact you conveniently igore here is that PV requires vastly more subsidy than wind. And when a solar power plant is at the end of its life, our descendant will not need to clean that up. They'll just leave it to rot in the desert.

"and they don't even depend on the Chinese monopoly of world-wide rare-earth elements, like Neodymium."

That is about the funniest case of self delusion I have read in a long time. Go ahead and buy yourself another batch of chinese solar panels. They have cornered that market and won't easily give it up. I'd rather buy some US, Danish, German or Spanish wind turbine with chinese magnets instead.
Anne van der Bom
Anne van der Bom
October 26, 2011
Dr Alex,

You are on shaky ground with your numbers and know that. That's why I read so many half truth and why you insert such heavy rhetoric.

'Uh, no & no, Anne. Sunpower panels are 20% efficient now. '

No, these are the exception that you are trying to sell as the norm. Sunpower produces very expensive panels that are not widely used. Actually they only make economic sense when put on 2-axis trackers, which sort-of limits their applicability to solar farms.

'Thin-film devices are indeed 10-15% at best & a waste of time, $ & energy.'

Thin film cells are the cheapest per watt. FirstSolar is the largest manufacturer in the world. How the hell did they accomplish that by offering a product that is a waste of $?

'Check NREL, if you dare.'

Well I followed your advice: http://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy04osti/35489.pdf. It clearly shows the energy payback time of thin film is superior to crystalline solar. How can it be a waste of energy?

But if you really want to know: http://sites.google.com/site/lcaofwind/lca-of-alternative-energy-sources

It lists many of the studies done over the years on this subject and compares the different technologies based on g CO2/kWh. In general wind vastly outperforms PV on this metric. g CO2/kWh is closely correlated to energy payback.

Really, I can not see why you so steadfastly insist that PV is superior to wind in this respect when all the evidence points in another direction.
Dr. A. Cannara
Dr. A. Cannara
October 25, 2011
Now for the 300MW transient supply issue -- this is a serious issue raised by European power agencies, because they don't have all the power transmission options in place to allow all the wind, etc. that varies to be quickly made up by some other location. Anne seems to love to minimize unfortunate wind- power realities, but having a 300MW contingency when a 24-hour forecast is off by only 1ft/sec is a big deal to those responsible for distributing European power.

It, in fact, is an expense to be laid at wind-power's door, and goes against the imagined efficiency of real wind-generation installations.

Of course, those gaining subsidy don't really care, much as happened in the Columbia Gorge earlier this year, when wind investors wanted a passing storm's unusually high output to get them $ despite the ISO not needing the juice & not seeing why they should throttle a nuke or fossil plant just so these rate leeches can suck more from the system & rate payers.

Aaaah wind. It does bring 'em out of the woodwork.
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Dr. A. Cannara
Dr. A. Cannara
October 25, 2011
Now for Anne #13 -- "turbines weigh around 100 tons per MW, including tower. A 200 W solar panel weighs ~15 kg, that is 75 tons per MW. Not much of a difference, is it. Both need a supporting structure in the form of a foundation or rack, but I do not see the reason why PV would be so much better"

Anne, how many tons of coal are needed to make 100 tons of steel? Want to actually study also how much concrete & fossil fuel a 1000 cubic meter foundation for a Siemens top-line machine takes?

You're the one claiming "do not add up". Well, they don't if you don't even know them to add them, do they? Now for the big Siemens machine I was actually crediting with less than 100tons of steel per peak MW (1/3 avg., in reality).

You can consult a metallurgist, but a ton of steel needs 5 tons of coal to make (heat & carbon). That coal generates maximal emissions. Mining the coal, crushing, transporting, etc. all burn petroleum -- more emissions. Mining limestone, crushing it, then converting it in a kiln all require vast amounts of petroleum combustion. Quarrying, crushing & transporting the aggregate to mix with the kilned cement for concrete, all consume much more petroleum. Then there's the road building, the transmission-line steel, construction, etc. By the time you're actually honest about what numbers to add up, you'll either fess up or repress the sad result.

And, the final product consumes ;land/sea, looks ugly, makes noise & kills flying animals. Bizarre.

Solar cells cost 1kWHr (declining) of energy per Watt. They can be mounted on existing structures, next to loads (DG PV). They have longer lives than windmill mechanicals, suffer no location issues, and they don't even depend on the Chinese monopoly of world-wide rare-earth elements, like Neodymium.

But again, grab those subsidies while they last and make the Chinese even more happy.
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Dr. A. Cannara
Dr. A. Cannara
October 25, 2011
Uh, no & no, Anne. Sunpower panels are 20% efficient now. Concentrating solar panels are over double that, as are military & space multi-junction cells. Thin-film devices are indeed 10-15% at best & a waste of time, $ & energy. Check NREL, if you dare.

Photosynthesis is of two evolved classes & either nets up to 7% of sunlight stored in carbohydrates -- yes, petroleum's energy is stored sunlight. But burning it is about 30% efficient for power, making the net .3 x .07 = 2%.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photosynthetic_efficiency

It's indeed less than 1% efficient to do crazy things like grow corn to make ethanol, while wasting water &driving up food prices so more folks are malnourished (~1 billion & rising now).

Back to wind -- the Betz limit isn't measured either over the free space needed for an installation or over the resources consumed and emissions emitted to make 1MW of peak-output wind. It also is gutless in not including the inefficiency of transmission & the wasted power when wind is just too light ot too strong, etc.

If we used an analogous limit for solar cells, their efficiency would again be well above wind's peak, and the physics of solar photonic energy conversion is by no means near any limit yet. There is, in fact, reason to suspect a 50% efficiency, meaning 1.5MW/acre soon from advanced cell designs. Wind has no such possibility, despite the fact that present windmill designs aren't even the best choice...
http://cleantechnica.com/2011/07/14/caltech-vertical-axis-wind-turbines-boost-wind-farm-power-efficiency-10x/

And, since windmills are generally stuck in the ground or seabed, they've no prayer in adapting to very real effects of climate change, as the Chinese are already experiencing...
http://spectrum.ieee.org/green-tech/wind/a-less-mighty-wind
www.nytimes.com/2011/01/21/us/21tttransmission.html?_r=1&hpw

Keep on pushing wind for subsidy, because our descendents will be 'grateful' to have to clean it all up.
Anne van der Bom
Anne van der Bom
October 25, 2011
'At 600kW/acre now, standard, 20%-efficient local solar PV is more reliable, more efficient, cheaper, less environmentally destructive & reliable. And, doubling of solar PV efficiency already has occurred for military/space cells & is in the cards soon for commercial.'

Standard pv panels are 15% efficient, not 20. Those are the expensive top-of-the-line SunPowers. But who cares? Fossil fuels are solidified solar energy that was once captured at .... 1% efficiency (=photosynthesis). Did that inhibit their success? Efficiency is a useless metric to compare two completely different energy technologies.

By the way, do you actually KNOW the efficiency of an average wind turbine? Go here (http://k0lee.com/turbineeff.htm) for some education. It seems modern wind turbines reach 70% of Betz limit, which is 59%. That makes them >40% efficient overall. Wow, to my knowledge that is better than even the best space-grade PV cell.

Your numbers simply do not add up. I have a feeling you just present a bunch of half truths to fit your narrative. It is a silly enterprise anyway, as wind and solar are complementary technologies that both have a place in our energy system.
Anne van der Bom
Anne van der Bom
October 25, 2011
I think this dr Alex has some facts wrong. That is not unusual. Here we go.

'As Denmark & others know, being off in a wind forecast by 1ft/sec means throttling a 300MW fossil/nuclear plant up or down in minutes'

Forecasts are made 24 hrs in advance and continuously adapted to the real circumstances. The the operators will not easily be caught by surprise of a sudden drop or increase in wind power. Not much more than a fossil plant suddenly going off line. Business as usual. They have invented spinning reserve for that.

What helps here is the averaging of wind over a larger geographic area that tends to smooth out the fluctuations. You could for example go to the excellent information pages (http://www.ree.es/operacion/curvas_demanda.asp) of the Spanish grid operator RED to see how much variability there is in wind. They do experience 300 MW over 10 minutes, but in Spain there is 21 GW of installed capacity, 6x as much as Denmark. Spain has a lot of hydro and CCGT, perfectly capable of handling these fluctuations. No problem at all.

'<1/2MW/acre, ~700tons of fossil-fuel-processed steel, concrete... per MW. What's present solar PV? On yes, 600kW/acre, heading for 1MW/acre.'

Modern wind turbines weigh around 100 tons per MW, including tower. A 200 W solar panel weighs ~15 kg, that is 75 tons per MW. Not much of a difference, is it. Both need a supporting structure in the form of a foundation or rack, but I do not see the reason why PV would be so much better.

You succeeded in missing the obvious difference between the two technologies. A solar farm occupies all the land within its perimeter, whereas the unoccupied land between wind turbines is perfectly usable (mainly agriculture). And solar farms are only 200 kW per acre, not 600. You failed to account for the spacing between the rows of panels. And you ignore capacity factor which is on average twice as high for wind power. For offshore wind the gap is even larger.
Karen Grigoryan
Karen Grigoryan
October 21, 2011
We have developments in the sphere of the alternative energy sources and we want to use these developments… Idea is reduced to use of kinetic energy of the compressed air, by liberating this energy in the appropriate medium.
Now, we work at the improvement of engine (mechanism) which is connected to the dynamo-machine and manufactures electricity with the aid of the compressed air.The engine is ecologically clean and absolutely safe, because, during the work of engine does not occur the process of combustion and do not appear harmful ejections into the atmosphere. We are assured that it will find wide application in sphere of alternative energy because it is in a condition to insure process of manufacture of an electricity at adverse - from the point of view of alternative energy, weather conditions - such as absence of winds or the sun. We already have an experimental (table) model of the engine (mechanism) indicated, but in order to make large prototype efficiently worker and that manufacturing electricity in large quantities, they are necessary to investment and not small - and our own means do not be sufficient. We decided to make a proposal to the interested companies or to individuals, on advantageous longitudinal principles to participate in the completion of project. On our calculations for the production (building) of prototype will be required from $ 100 000 to $ 150 000. But result, on our modest calculations, will be into hundredfold more. Working group, consisting of several specialists of slender airfoil, with the favorable conditions, during half a year ,will be able to compose the documentation of these apparatuses, to complete preparatory processes necessary for the beginning productions and then to immediately begin mass production. Production can be organized in the usual plants, where are present driiling, stamping, milling, turning, and other working machines... rasinant@mail.am
Dr. A. Cannara
Dr. A. Cannara
October 14, 2011
Not so, on any measure, Anonymous. DG solar has no land, species, transmission, construction or maintenance costs anywhere near wind's. Just as in real estate -- location, location, location.

DG PV goes right where it's needed. And, as storage systems are now developing, there'll soon be no need for <1/2MW/acre, 700 ton/MW, subsidized, remote generation. Take a look at today's wind...
www.caiso.com/outlook/SystemStatus.html

And, for contrast, here's a DG example...
http://tinyurl.com/3znad4b
That large church needs no other power source, assuming storage, and exports it locally at higher efficiency & lower cost than any wind system.

And, as Denmark is about to find and Israel already has implemented, EVs allow both storage and load control, instantly & remotely -- for example: BetterPlace.

The energy future is not wind's.
ANONYMOUS
October 14, 2011
You don't have to choose between local PV and large scale wind. Both play a part in the solution, and working together they make a more reliable electricity system. When the wind isn't blowing, it's a good bet the sun is shining, and vice versa.
Dr. A. Cannara
Dr. A. Cannara
October 13, 2011
Gator -- "recently during a windy period" -- says most all, except for the 700 tons/MW of steel, coal, oil, kilned limestone, aggregate, transport...

At 600kW/acre now, standard, 20%-efficient local solar PV is more reliable, more efficient, cheaper, less environmentally destructive & reliable. And, doubling of solar PV efficiency already has occurred for military/space cells & is in the cards soon for commercial. Wind has no such potential.

So again, why wind? Subsidies attract all manner of exploiters of tax/rate payers. Even your link...
www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/what-do-winds-cost-price-and-performance-trends-show-three-cents-per-kilowa/

explains the complexity & cost of both offshore wind & attempts to maximize total peak power while having to add costs of balancing systems & grid control. This is exactly the problem folks like Denmark have -- requiring very accurate wind forecasts, or suffering hundreds of costly MW of up/down commands to base generation. So, feel free to gloss over all the facts, but others aren't & others know there are better sources of power -- no highly-subsidized wind investors.

No one says an island or a farm can't have its own windmills -- that's been done for 100 years.

Now for Anonymous -- Read what I said again. Sierra & others are for local solar PV as being part of their overall efficiency policy. I never said anything about the club policy on wind, though it's always reviewed.

So again, massed wind/solar waste permanently about 10% of incoming energy. Solar, at least, is more predictable. However, local PV generation (DG) immediately gains back most of that transmission penalty. Wind cannot. And, wind will never match solar PV's efficiency. Wind generation also puts us at the mercy of China's control of the worldwide rare-earth market -- all generators depend on magnet materials like Neodymium. So large wind expansion falls into China's hands.

So again, why wind?
Allen Gerhardt
Allen Gerhardt
October 12, 2011
Not that I think Dr. Alex is interested in facts, but wind produced more than half of Spain's electricity recently during a windy period, and contribute around 40% of their needs generally.
http://www.alternative-energy-news.info/spain-sets-wind-power-generation-record/

http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2011/09/renewables-bounced-back-in-2010-finds-ren21-global-report

OWC runs it's full electric needs with one wind turbine, and supplies excess power to the local grid. With geothermal climate control, and wind power, they achieved LEED platinum certification on their new facility. https://eshop.macsales.com/green/wind.html

Wind power is the lowest cost system on land in good locations.
http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/what-do-winds-cost-price-and-performance-trends-show-three-cents-per-kilowa/
Dr. A. Cannara
Dr. A. Cannara
October 12, 2011
Can see why Russ is named "Judge" -- no need for data before coming to an erroneous decision.

Those of us in Sierra Club, NRDC, etc. aren't against windmills because we're for oil, gas & coal -- surprise Russ?

The reality is that wind is not only inefficient & wasteful of resources, but unnecessary. If you study the reality of energy sources you'll see that local solar on existing structures is more than adequate for peak daytime loads & builds a more robust grid that isn't either a threat to shipping or nature. And, it doesn't waste power forever in transmission.

But, when one's selling something, it's hard to be honest, eh?
ANONYMOUS
October 12, 2011
AND THE NEGATIVE IS HVDV REQUIRES ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT AND COSTS TO BE PAID FOR BY THE END USER FOR PART TIME INEFFICIENT POWER
Russell Judge
Russell Judge
October 12, 2011
Aaahhh, DrAlexC, So shortsighted, so illinformed, such a puppet of Big Oil and Coal!!! It is because of people such as this that the US has become a second class country. One 6 megawatt turbine will supply, ON AVERAGE, at least 1800 homes. But as Sarah says, "Drill baby drill!"
ANONYMOUS
October 12, 2011
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Dr. A. Cannara
Dr. A. Cannara
October 12, 2011
Aaahhh, wind. So free, so unpredictable, so inefficient, so well subsidized by tax/rate-payers for benefit of a few who'll abandon the projects as they become obsolete.

Ahhh wind -- so much hot air. "1GW per year" -- is that peak? Certainly not average. As Denmark & others know, being off in a wind forecast by 1ft/sec means throttling a 300MW fossil/nuclear plant up or down in minutes. And the permanent transmission loss & control-system loading on the grid when wind speeds are too low, or too high.

Ahhh, wind -- <1/2MW/acre, ~700tons of fossil-fuel-processed steel, concrete... per MW. What's present solar PV? On yes, 600kW/acre, heading for 1MW/acre.

Ahhh wind -- we won't even worry about species impacts but the first ship impact in a bad storm? Oops, that's right, we have to buy wind some insurance as well as subsidy.

Sustainable Energy – Without the Hot Air, David J.C. MacKay
http://www.withouthotair.com/download.html

Facts are just so pesky!
Anumakonda Jagadeesh
Anumakonda Jagadeesh
October 11, 2011
Yes. Offshore wind farms are fast progressing. Countries like US,China,Taiwan,South Korea,France etc., have ambitious plans to go in for off shore wind farms.

Dr.A.Jagadeesh Nellore(AP),India
Wind Energy Expert
E-mail: anumakonda.jagadeesh@gmail.com

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