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GE on Jump Into Solar: 'We're Confident and We're Scaling Up'

Steve Leone, Associate Editor, RenewableEnergyWorld.com
October 14, 2011  |  17 Comments

House Republican Cliff Stearns touched off a battle with the White House when he recently told NPR that the United States "can't compete with China to make solar panels."

Apparently, GE wasn’t listening.

The global energy giant announced late Thursday that it is officially jumping into the solar manufacturing race by building a 400-megawatt facility in Aurora, Colo. The company says the plant will create more than 350 jobs in Colorado, and will begin rolling out cadmium telluride thin-film solar panels in 2012. There will be 100 additional jobs created at its research center in upstate New York.

The size of the facility would be larger than any existing American solar plant and it would put it in direct competition in the thin-film market with American company First Solar, which has its largest operation in Malaysia, and Solar Frontier, which opened a 1-GW plant this year in Japan.

A Show of Confidence

More than anything, this could be seen as an indication that boardrooms have a higher degree of confidence in solar as bankable in the short-term than do many of the legislators who have questioned the industry in the wake of the Solyndra bankruptcy.

“With so much capacity out there, the only companies that can compete are the ones with the right technology and the right cost structure,” said Matt Guyette, GE’s strategy leader for renewables during a conference call Friday. “There’s a lot of companies out there with the wrong cost structure. We see it with their quarterly reports and some of the bankruptcies in the past few months.

“We’ve been watching the space for over 10 years, and we’ve been investing in technologies, and the reason we have not built this plant before is that the technology was not at a point where we were confident that we could compete. We’re there now. We’re confident and we’re scaling up.”

GE has been a big investor in solar technologies, including eSolar’s concentrating solar power business. Earlier this year, GE completed the acquisition of PrimeStar, whose thin-film technology came from the National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL) in Colorado. The company has also emerged as a leader in the wind business. Now the company, whose technology supplies 25 percent of all electricity globally, is putting its solar stake in the ground on U.S. soil.

“We expect to take the solar technology and drive the same type of growth we’ve seen in our wind business, which was taking a really non-existent business that was struggling in 2002 into a $6 billion-plus business,” said Guyette, who added that GE has 27 gigawatts of installed capacity globally in renewable energy.

The product

The company said it is working to come out with a larger and lighter panel with conversion efficiency goal of 14 percent or greater at the module level, and that the panels should hit the commercial market by 2013.

Guyette said the company expects to be able to compete with Chinese polysilicon module manufacturers as well as other thin-film makers in both established and growing markets. While GE said it isn’t ruling out the residential market, the company is clearly looking to move into the large-scale and commercial rooftop spaces that are developing quickly in the United States. Aside from Europe, the expected boom in the Asian market could drive sales and competition. GE, already with deep roots globally, could be positioning to move quickly in these regions.

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Bern Stuart
Bern Stuart
September 18, 2012
Cadmium Telluride is an awful technology. It is highly toxic. When the modules will be disposed of, they will pose an extreme environmental hazard. It's the solar industry's version of Chernobyl waiting to happen. The CEC in California has recognized this and has changed the specifications for their Blythe project favoring silicon. GE is misinformed and has not carried out sufficient studies into this type of technology. If their motivation is pure profit, then even there they have not studied other solar PV technologies enough. Silicon is now more cost effective to manufacture than thin film technologies and does pose any environmental risk. Please GE think again. Cadmium Telluride is NOT the way to go.
Allen Gerhardt
Allen Gerhardt
October 29, 2011
Good to hear GE will be building a factory in the states. They are very experienced in energy, so i expect they will be successful. It is ridiculous how much noise is made about Solyndra's failure, representing 2% of federal energy loans, and only one of hundreds of solar companies. This goes to show how much vested interests fear competition from fuel free and safe energy systems.

Cadmium telluride collectors performed within one percent of as well as silicon panels in a test in Italy last year, so the efficiency of that technology is very good. As far as cadmium being toxic, that is much noise about nothing, as it is a very thin film, dry and sealed in a box, does not leak out does not create any leaks or fumes, so there is no issue. Those who try and make an issue with solar power are really desperate to find an excuse to complain. Compare that with chemical contamination from oil and coal, or radioactive contamination, then let's talk about environmental harms.
On the subject of homeowner grid parody, a solar system can be paid off in 10 years or less and provide power for 30 years or more, so how is that not cheaper than paying forever for grid power? Grid parody was reached for homeowners many years ago, if you want to take an honest look at the cost of electricity over time. With battery backup, a grid connection is not necessary as many have demonstrated by off grid solar systems. So many false voices are evident when it comes to renewable energy. They fear the end of their constant rate increases and the captive markets that come from only centralized power distribution, with fuel dependent systems.
Miles McDonald
Miles McDonald
October 20, 2011
NREL technology? GE doesn't care - they're following the same strategy as Samsung. Samsung is also the model for a host of Chinese companies that learn about a market before jumping on it with both very large feet. This strategy takes advantage their competitive advantage, which is size. Good luck to the smaller panel manufacturers that want to keep up to them...
Erik Ellis
Erik Ellis
October 19, 2011
Anon: yes, $2/W is correct. You may want to check the business models and cost structures of the vertically integrated EPCs. As for soft (development) costs these are passed thru as costs w/o profit under such a model. Development costs at 20 MW = 5 to 10 cents/W not 90 cents.
ANONYMOUS
October 19, 2011
Not to be so negative on solar energy but look at this way; weather you run 1 hour or 6 hours off the grid that is less energy the grid is required to produce.
If it make you feel good about saving the planet more power to you.

More good news is the increase in funding for hydro kinetic energy projects.

Watch the joint research projects from the US CORP of Engineers; DOE; NASA; and other under the radar companies all take fruit and watch who GE becomes partners with or who they buy

I have it on good information that all the pictures from 5000 ft below the Gulf there was a 5 knot current; can you imagine turning columns of carbon fiber rotating discs to produce energy; similar to underwater turbine being tested in the Mississippi River and elsewhere.

Check the articles out on this site.
ANONYMOUS
October 19, 2011
Let me clear the air about subsides ; they do not exist per say look at your 1986 tax law passed when democrats were in control; cramming equipment costs into current year along with definition of passive and active income.
Change it and the the cost are now spread out over the life of the well; along with depreciation and depletion allowances; royalties paid to governments and private land owners will also decreases along with contributions to 401k; IRA: ROTH and retirements programs and then your energy bill increases and does nothing to reduce ozone levels and global warming.

CDTE thin film cheap ineffective; highly toxic and and has reliability issues

Please keep in mind solar power uses the sun's radiation for chemical reactions to produce energy.
ANONYMOUS
October 19, 2011
@ Green leaf
"Grid parity at the wholesale level will probably be reached in about 5 years. Grid parity at the residential level is another 5 - 8 years away after that - probably won't be reached until 2020."

I think you have your numbers backwards, Grid parity at the residential level exists NOW (not 5 to 8 years) in certain regions where homeowner cost of electricity is high, i.e. HI, CA, NJ, NY and others. This will happen all over the US as utilities pass on more costs. The Wholesale prices are lower (meaning what the Utilities pay the Generation facilities) than the commercial/Residential prices (what the Utilities Sell). Grid Parity at the Wholesale level without subsidies will take a the reduction in PV installed costs, but more importantly, the increase in Generation costs to the Utilities (which will happen)

Speaking of "without subsidies", Utilities are certainly provided subsidies from state and local governements to "keep energy prices low" to keep industry in thier regions. If they did not recieve those subsidies and we paid true costs of energy at the meter, grid parity at the retail level might be nationwide right now.

Sorry, got off article topic...
On GE, they have been in the game before in the early 00's then got out again (DE, purchased AstroPower, sold to Motech). I personally am not sure they made the right choice for the long haul with Thin Film, but they are adapt enough, they will transition to Crystaline when cream rises to the top.

Pardon me while I opine for a moment on that one...

Did any one notice that the thin film technology they are using came from NREL?...presumably a Government orginization which Tax payers support. Who holds the patent on the technology developed at NREL? NREL (US government)can't hold patents. NREL is a thin film promotion house. I don't like a governement entity "picking" a winner, particularly when I think their choice is wrong.
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Scott Schumacher
Scott Schumacher
October 19, 2011
The article mentions that the GE plant will be larger than any existing US solar plant. This is actually incorrect as SolarWorld in Oregon has a capacity of 500 MW per year and close to 1000 employees.
richard sanders
richard sanders
October 19, 2011
Many large corps look specifically at ROI, which includes tax incentives that may be removed in future years, so they have to get it going now that plant efficiencies are available to make the money work.
That's the virtue of capitalism, don't bang them up for doing it right.
Meanwhile, others like NRG are doing much of the same.
Note that even for homes with solar panels on the roof, they MUST have a utility connection for periods that their home system is down, in service, or not producing.
The GE's and NRG's of the world are also the ones now taking advantage of 'deregulation' to offer consumers even in coal-burning-local-utility areas a real "GREEN" plan for their home electricity by supplying the grid through Renewable Energy Certificate sales, and should be applauded for this.
For an example of how easy this is getting, click the Customer tab at the top of SelectMyPower .com, and view the choices now available to a regular electric house. Pay a cent or so extra, and boost your home source electrical from 20% Renewable up to 100% 'True Green'.
This is how consumers are and can apply market pressure to urge more investment in renewable plants like this one planned by GE.
Marc Saxe
Marc Saxe
October 19, 2011
It's great news that GE estimates that they can be competitive producing panels here. I like their focus on thin film too.

If they can do it, other large scale manufacturers must not be far behind. Price parity is here or on the way.

Come on folks, let's be Americans and sell this stuff to the world.
ANONYMOUS
October 19, 2011
green_leaf,
'$2.00/W installed'?! Try $2.90/W for a 20 MW plant unless you are using prison labor at 5 cents an hour and no soft costs. $2/W for materials only--the project still needs to get permitted, designed and constructed.
GE is doing this because they know protectionist measures are going come out of Washington soon enough. w/o such protection GE would be INSANE to enter into the current blood bath/price war.
btw--The jobs CZAR should know.
Erik Ellis
Erik Ellis
October 19, 2011
Electric 38 -

GE should be complimented, not criticized for this move.

Fact is that residential installations run about 2X in cost what a large ground mount installation does: $5/Watt installed, vs. $2.00/W installed with those companies at the leading edge of large utility scale proejcts. Add to this the fact that utility projects can be put on trackers, which increases their yield another 25%.

So GE is entering the market in a segment where profits can be made, which is entirely necessary for the kind of transformation to occur that both you and I would love to see. Grid parity at the wholesale level will probably be reached in about 5 years. Grid parity at the residential level is another 5 - 8 years away after that - probably won't be reached until 2020. When GE can sell profitably into the residential market - believe me, they will.
Douglas Jones
Douglas Jones
October 19, 2011
Why not require US Made (or some high percentage) solar panels and inverters when taking a Federal Tax Credit and purchase energy contracts with energy providers?
Jim Stack
Jim Stack
October 19, 2011
Note First Solar is building a large manufacturing plant in Mesa AZ right near their Tempe HQ.
GE Is big and can make a huge difference. Don't hate the big corporations, try to change them and you change the world.
GE also does big wind turbines. Solar PV is growing by 40% a year. Efficiency of 14% or higher is no problem, Sunpower is over 20% BUT the key is $ Cost per watt. The cost per watt is now under $2 for many makers.

We just need to stop subsidizing COAL, Nuclear, NG and use lots of Renewables like Solar, Wind and Geo Thermal. We have more than we need. Also become more efficient in our homes and vehicles.

An Electric car is over 90% efficient, a gas car is only 20% or less efficient, mild hybrid 30% ,full hybrid 40% so if we use efficient homes and vehicles we have energy to sell to other countries and jobs for all.
Ralph Perez
Ralph Perez
October 19, 2011
A big thanks to GE. Instead of creating a huge volume market for a simply installed "plug and play" unit for the consumer, you bypass them in favor of large installations. Tens of thousands of jobs could be created in the residential market, while giving consumers a break on their monthly energy bill (clean - free energy). Not to mention helping put into place the electric car solar recharging infrastructure needed for this next important step in America's future. Why keep turning your nose up at the average consumer and pretend to call yourself a "jobs Czar"?
Curt Sommer
Curt Sommer
October 18, 2011
GE is a big part of the corporate military industrial complex that benefits greatly from taxpayers. Ultimately, the citizens will pay for this investment in one form or another, but at least it's a step in the right direction.
Debbie Seibt
Debbie Seibt
October 18, 2011
I am not usually a fan of major corporations, like GE, that are known to cause pollution and massive problems in third world nations, but I am glad for this investment they are making here at home in Colorado and NY. Unlike the american company, First Solar who is giving the jobs to Malaysians.
I would like to see more American Companies build in America. But I may not know much maybe GE is really owned by China. LOL.
Whoever owns GE I applaud the decision to build it here.
Check out this page for a 55W Coleman back-up kit from Home Depot's online store.
http://solarandwind-greenenergy.com/solar-kit/

Dejra

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Steve Leone has been a journalist for more than 15 years and has worked for news organizations in Rhode Island, Maine, New Hampshire, Virginia and California.
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