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Cure for Wind Farm Noise Policy Gridlock: Back Off, But Allow Easements

Jim Cummings, Acoustic Ecology Institute
September 06, 2011  |  39 Comments

Most wind advocates, including both industry players and regional renewable energy organizations, continue to be in a state of disbelief that the noise of turbines could possibly be a significant issue for nearby neighbors.

While it’s increasingly acknowledged that turbines will be audible much of the time, complaints about noise are too often painted as being unworthy of serious consideration, either because turbines are not all that loud, or because of an insistence that noise complaints are bogus surrogates for a broader opposition to wind energy that is “really” based on visual impacts or economic arguments (driven in some cases by climate change denial). Perhaps most crucially, wind advocates rarely acknowledge that turbine noise is often 10 dB louder than background sound levels (sometimes even 20 dB or more); acousticians have long known that any increase over 5 dB begins to trigger complaints, with 10dB the threshold for widespread problems.

Meanwhile, many community groups are over-reaching in their approach to reducing noise impacts, by focusing too much of their argument on possible health impacts of wind turbine noise exposure. While there are many reliable anecdotal examples of people having physical reactions to nearby turbines, even the accumulating number of reports of health reactions to new turbines represents a small minority of people who live within a mile or even half-mile of turbines. 

The health claims are hard – and perhaps impossible – to prove, though some insist that any health impact is unacceptable.  Much more telling are community response rates that affirm – in some types of rural communities – that 25-50 percent of people hearing turbines near the regulatory sound limits feel that their quality of life is severely impacted.

AEI’s new report, Wind Farm Noise 2011, aims to frame the current state of research and policy in a way that can help those trying to find a constructive middle ground that protects rural residents from an intrusive new 24/7 noise source while also encouraging wind development as part of our renewable energy future. 

A series of court and environmental tribunal rulings in recent months shed an especially illuminating light on the ambiguous state of our current understanding of wind farm noise impacts.  In each case, the ruling rejected some elements of the challenge while affirming the validity of other claimed impacts or stressing the need for continued investigation. 

In Australia, a planned wind farm was derailed by an environmental tribunal responding to an appeal from a local farmer who had focused on the possible noise impacts on his family and his livestock.  The tribunal rejected evidence related to health effects from noise, but held that the planned layout would impact the “visual amenity” of the area to an unacceptable degree (in Australia and New Zealand, “rural amenity” is a commonly-accepted planning and regulatory consideration).  In this case, the tribunal ruled that siting turbines 1km (0.6 miles) from homes, with some homes surrounded by several turbines within 2km (a mile and a quarter), was too close.

In Minnesota, the Public Utilities Commission rejected a half-mile county setback, but required the developer to offer financial compensation to 200 residents within a half-mile, though outside the regulatory limit of 1630 feet.

In Ontario, a major challenge to the Province’s new Green Energy Act was denied, and the 223-page ruling offers a great primer on current research from all sides.  The challenge was based on the health impacts argument, and failed on that count, but the tribunal stressed that “risks and uncertainties” remain.  While the evidence to date was determined to be “exploratory” rather than “confirmatory,” continued study was urged. The report noted: “The Tribunal accepts that indirect effects are a complex matter and that there is no reason to ignore serious effects that have a psychological component.”

Finally, and perhaps most strikingly, in the UK an appeal of a planned wind farm (based on the claim that the regulations were insufficient) was denied, but the High Court affirmed the validity of an amplitude modulation (AM) condition in the regulations, which is very stringent: whenever sound levels are over 28 dB, AM cannot exceed 3 dB. After years of denying that AM is an issue in UK wind farms, the industry there faces a starkly restrictive standard that would, in effect, preclude wind farm operations when any blade swish is audible, even in distant, barely audible turbines.  Renewable UK (formerly BWEA) is scrambling to fund research that can be used to better quantify AM so that new rules providing a reliable dB penalty for AM can be devised.

My experiences around wind farms in Texas, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Kansas, and Wyoming has been very consistent: I have always been able to clearly hear any turbines that were within a half mile (faintly, but clearly there); at a quarter to third of a mile, the sound stood out, and as I approached three-quarters of a mile, the sound faded into the background sounds of distant roads or ground breeze.  These have been brief experiences, always in daytime with moderate wind.

Adding to these personal observations, the widespread reports of neighbors affected by unexpectedly intrusive levels of noise from turbines up to a half mile or so away as well as ranch-country experience that suggests noise levels of 45-50 dB are often easily accepted, lead to my current perspective that the most constructive and widely beneficial path forward would be a shift toward larger setback requirements (in effect, lowering the maximum noise levels at homes nearly to quiet night time ambient noise levels), combined with easily crafted easement provisions that allow turbines to be built closer to landowners who agree to allow it. 

This approach, currently used in Oregon, would protect communities and individuals who have invested their life savings in a quiet rural lifestyle, while acknowledging that there are many people in rural areas who are ready and willing to support wind energy development, even near their homes.

Yes, some locations – in fact many locations with relatively small lot sizes – may be hard or impossible to build in, but these are exactly the locations where the social tradeoffs, and the resulting balancing of costs and benefits, are least clearly favorable to wind development anyway.  If the industry can accept that it doesn’t have the right to build anywhere the noise can be kept to 50 dB, and that its future development will be taking place within the fabric of a diverse society, then there is a clear business opportunity emerging for those companies that take the lead by crafting truly responsive community relations programs.  

These companies will commit to working with the standards set by local tolerance for new noise sources, rather than pushing local or state authorities to adopt siting standards used elsewhere.  These leading edge wind companies may also put their money where their mouth is on property values by establishing programs that compensate landowners for moderate changes in property value (which are likely to be less common than feared), and helping create programs that buy and sell homes, so residents who wish move can do so quickly at fair market value.

These companies will develop reputations as developers that are ready to be good local citizens, and will find that the increases in some costs and a willingness to forsake some locations altogether leads to dramatic benefits in terms of long-term stability and acceptance in the communities where they work – and especially in communities where they propose new projects.

Noise concerns are not obstacles to wind development, if the industry and local and state regulators can move beyond simplistic denial of the problem. Indeed, the continued growth of the wind industry in the U.S. and Canada may depend upon a fundamental shift of attitude, centered on respecting communities that choose lower noise limits, and providing assurances that negative impacts will be addressed if they occur.

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Penny Melko
Penny Melko
October 14, 2011
geinie8l. Correct on all accounts. It gets better. On the North Sky River projects the area where the company will mine to get gravel for their local cement batch plant for cement pads is where naturally occuring asbestos is located. It's right in the draft eir. Also, a person who is a professional commercial business center estimator, broke down the actual number of 14 mile trips and actual hours to take the cement and it was outrageous.
Comment Set 9: Joshua Boswell Page 7 of 215.
http://www.co.kern.ca.us/planning/pdfs/eirs/northsky_jawbone/RTC/Index.htm
Marie Burton
Marie Burton
October 13, 2011
No amouont of opening and closing blinds will stop the problem of infrasound which travels even inside houses and as for CO2 emissions wind turbines in their construction cause CO2 with the fibreglass (type of) copper, steel, hydraulic oil, a rare mineral from China which eats the miners' clothes and the world's worst pollutant- CONCRETE from 300 tonnes or more per unit. They need backup with some other form of energy i.e. coal or gas when the wind does not blow or turned off when it blows to hard and not to mention the workers and passersby that have been killed by the turbines either losing a blade, falling off during maintenance or when they catch on fire. Some developer said if there were no govt.handouts they would not be in the industry.
Marie Burton
Marie Burton
October 13, 2011
Some people seem to think that turbines are windmills and not industrial at all. Its not only the noise of the turbines but the flicker and the infrasound that causes problems and the using of agriculutral land. There is a moritorium in Japan because milk production went down when the turbines were turned on and now there are calves being born deformed. One farmer in Ontario (?) definitely in the US lost all of his cattle and was awarded over $6 million and why has a Judge in Australia found some houses unliveable? There are too many ifs and buts with industrial turbines so I have found out that in the Middle East and India they are starting to use waste to energy and in the US there is now a coal power energy plant that is 99% free of emissions.
Aaron Allen
Aaron Allen
October 12, 2011
A few more thots on 'blade-flicker' and other undesired daylight conditions: Years ago, I lived in a large Victorian house which had large windows on the east, south, and west sides. From breakfast to
lunch, we wud close blinds and awnings on the east side and lower the
awnings on the south from mid morning 'til mid afternoon. After lunch
we raised the blinds and awnings on the east side [the hot sun had passed over the house]. From early afternoon we lowered the awnings in
the west to about half of their length [just enuf to keep the early
afternoon sun from shining-in. About mid afternoon, we lowered the west awnings, blinds, etc. to block the afternoon sun and left them down until suppertime...Thinking about this, I realized that if we had
w.t. near our house, this practice of regulating blinds and awnings
wud have worked to reduce any 'blade-flicker'. There are now electric
blind/awning controllers whichcan be programmed to either light-level or time-of-day. Adding a few 'solar dome' lights with their 'pickups'
facing north to avoid flicker and the whole job can be 'automated'?..
When added to noise-control, the w.t. shud become 'good neighbors', not whiny, grindy, flashy pests!..Aaron Allen...
Aaron Allen
Aaron Allen
October 6, 2011
Hi Jim AEI and others who live/work near working w.t. or 'wind farms'--I used to work in a noisy automotive factory with much
noise of different frequencies and levels. To preserve my hear-ing I tried all of the company-provided ear protection--simple earplugs of several brands thru expensive 'headsets' like those worn by airport workers and shooters on a gunnery range..
Ironically, the cheapest little yellow foam ['Ear'] earplugs
worked best--reducing excess noise yet allowing hearing conver-sations. In your work I hope you have been able to evaluate ear-protection when near w.t. After I retired I bought one of the simple noise-reduction headsets that contain an AM/FM stereo radio as well [AOSafety brand]. It snuffed the noise of street traffic about half a block away and reduced the noise of my lawnmower and snowthrower. During hours of [wind blowing
the 'wrong way'] Interstate vehicle and powerline tower-rumble, I don't hear either..Selecting and using these ear pro-tectors are a matter of individual choice based upon results...
This is an ecenomical way to deal with w.t. noise?.Have you had any experience with these devices [earplugs, hearing-protection 'headsets']?..Another idea, like some turboprop air-craft, fit the smaller w.t. with 4, 5, or 6 blades? Cud more
torque be achieved with moderate tip-speed? Has anyone tried 'winglets' on the rotors? A new brand of residential
ceiling fan uses them and it delivers more 'wind'...Aaron Allen...
Gerard Vaughan
Gerard Vaughan
October 6, 2011
Typical Ecotricity-type "Wind turbines" cost about 40 times as much - per watt, or sq. metre of weather faces - as does a sensible design of turbine-alternator device. There are 4 reasons for this, viz:
1) The total cost of a "farm"of any given size is a necklace-shaped function of the physical size of the devices deployed. This is brought-about by the two simple facts that - 1) A T of twice the size requires 8 times the weight of materials to make, yet engages only 4 times the area of wind. Twice the cost per sq. m. Meanwhile an Alternator of four times the throughput costs only twice as much as any one of the 4 which it replaces. i.e. Half the A cost. The lowest total cost of the farm Ts + As, occurs at a size where the T costs about the same as the A. This happens at around a very convenient 1m diameter.
2) There are two modes of operation of any T-A device. They may run at a constant speed regardless of the wind speed, and vary the "pitch" of the wings ("blades") to suit the wind. This is the current mode and of course progressively wastes the higher winds, giving an output more or less pro-rata with windspeed..
OR
- run with a fixed pitch-angle, and vary the speed to suit the wind. This uses all winspeeds equally thereby giving an output pretty-much proportional to the CUBE of the wind speed. i.e. twice the speed gives 2x2x2 the previous output (watts).
3) "Wind shear" - the fact that weather does not blow accurately, i.e. wind velocity varies over any given area through which it blows. This makes the possibility of setting the pitch right more remote as the diameter increases.
4)
Penny Melko
Penny Melko
September 15, 2011
Telephoneman. What you keep offering are solutions to accomodate a poorly conceived product design. An analogy that comes to mind is buying a TV that has a constant buzz all the while that you are watching your favorite shows or the news, whatever. The solution you are offering is to get another piece of equipment to cancel out the buzz? Come on now. That buzz should have never been built into that piece of equipment.

If you were a wild bird migrating twice a year, what are the chances that the hen that conceived the egg you pecked out of, is still alive or doesn't have another clutch. Birds don't train. You keep offering solutions around a bad design, instead of fixing the design to coexist with the environment around them.
Aaron Allen
Aaron Allen
September 15, 2011
Two more goofy ideas: A sensitive 'sound detector' with an oscilloscope-like screen samples sound frequencies from about 5 to 350 Hz. An opposing 'sound' is generated and feeds a few
sub-woofers placed indoors. The cancelling 'sound' can be adjusted to suit the homeowner. If necessary, an auxiliary input from a home theatre allows low frequency sounds from the
surround sound system to be 'ignored' by the 'sound detector'?.
Penny: Cud flocks of certain birds and bats be 'trained' to inhabit a windfarm or windplant canyon? They wud 'teach' their offspring to avoid the w.t. amd keep other creatures away? Enuf game/insects to feed the 'trained' birds/bats wud be allowed. The birds sleep at night and the bats cud sleep in
nearby caves during the day? No more w.t.-killed wildlife?..Aaron Allen...
Penny Melko
Penny Melko
September 15, 2011
I attended the final approval hearing of a 21 sq. mile wind project. 116 turbines, and up to 150, expected 100% of the land would be disturbed or graded. Active California condors, Golden eagles, Bald eagles, burrowing owls, 12000 year old aboriginal Indian settlements on the site. It is irresponsible and disgusting. Turbines belong where the people live, not rural. There are models that don't have free flying blades spinning at 200 mph at the tips. This should anger everyone. The Bald eagle is the U.S. national bird. If you or I killed one it could be a $65K penalty. They do it for free. The setback for active nests are between 300 and 500 feet. When the chicks are gone the nests are destroyed.

What kind of equipment designers forget to build in safeguards like grills over the moving parts anyway? House fans have them.Are our natural resources so disposable and us so ignorant that we continue to allow these atrocities to continue? People are sure gullible.
Jim Sturrock
Jim Sturrock
September 13, 2011
When will both the wind industry and the advocates Man Up and admit Huston We Have A Problem. Yes both birds and bats are being taken and not all by blunt force trama, bats by the binds. Observed birds around the base of towers as it they had made a dead stick landing with no sign of blunt force.

Had two great gradfathers who where in the coal mining business in the early 1900 and before when a mans life was worth less than the mule that pulled the coal carts out of mines, before OSAH. Canaries where their life line when below the surface. Are not birds of today our life line? The eagles gave notice on DDT which was wildy used with a consistant denial in its time. There are sounds we hear and those we don't. The ones we don't are the ones to be concerned about. Wave lenght can effect the inner ear resulting in vertigo, which I have had the priviledge of being in the wrong place at the wrong time driving a loader on a two track trail off an escarpment down wind from a 1.5 GE. Then there are the times when the wind is constant and a cold front arrives with a greatly higher speed resulting in the house vibrating and pictures falling off the walls. Unknown factor sound waves or vibration thru the substrata as the blades adjust to the instant speed change.

Then there is the question, are property owners with turbines on their land abidding and abetting an illegal act when the Eagle, Golden Eagle and or the Migratory Bird Acts are violated with unlawfull taking. Please give me a break on the cats etc. for I'll show you a Great Horn Owl who is hell on cats or how many Sharp-tail Grouse are taken by cats or buildings etc. When birds are taken in the cities that is your problem to correct not useing two wrongs in making a right for justification of environmental misconduct.

As practising conservationest why must I use the legale system to force a tenant to comply with the laws of the land?

Sustainability=economical environmental & socially acceptable
Aaron Allen
Aaron Allen
September 12, 2011
Jim: What if a 'small' w.t. had a 4 or 5-bladed 'prop' [like
those on commuter/feeder and biz turboprop aircraft? Cud they
run a bit faster [like the 'Aermotive' ones on farms/ranches]?
Wud a few of these perform well in the rural residential zones we have discussed in previous mshgs?..
Penny: I wud never plunk w.t. down upon or close to your home
unless the 'sound-n-sight' troubles cud be reduced to your satisfaction. If you have 'abandoned' w.t. near you, it there
some sort of process to have them removed and the site closed
if 'they' don't intend to repair or replace them? Was Tehachapi a victim of conspiracy--like parts of California's
grid was?..
Marie Burton
Marie Burton
September 11, 2011
Please go and stay on a property neafr a wind turbine farm and see if you can manage. It is the infrasound that is the problem and also when not all turbines are in sync you get a constant bump as the blades pass the nacelle and the noise is constant when wind blows in a certain direction. The trouble is people think they are windmills and not a turbine. They are really an environmental vandal. When you need 300 tonnes or more to anchor them (world's worst pollutant) not to men tion the form of fibreglass, copper, steel, hydraulic oil and the rare Chinese mineral taking good land thereby denying native species of their habitat, killing birds etc. Then of course when the wind does not blow or blows too hard they have to be turned off and need firing up again by some other sort of energy. They interfere with communications and seismic monitoring equipment and I for one am for wasste to energy as this kills more than one problem.
Penny Melko
Penny Melko
September 9, 2011
One last thought about how much I resent any you dictating to me that I should get used to unwanted noise on my propery and into the bowels of my home so you can have electricity. Instead of yacking on me you should all be turning your sights on asking where the subsidy money is for R & D to get all of us OFF the grid. Look at your electric bill and envision never having to pay it again. This is the second decade of the 21st century and not the 1970. Get with it and it will serve the people well and not just the rich.

I'll leave you all with a good laugh. - By and for the people.
http://www.commandertalk.com/off-topic-discussions/1187-joke-video-day.html

Felonious Monk presents 'Stop it B! Obama pay your f*ckin bill. On youtube.
Penny Melko
Penny Melko
September 9, 2011
Read this draft EIR called the North Sky River/Jawbone wind project.
The studies and mitigation measures are shocking. A few biologists on 21 sq miles of rough terrain cannot possibly spot much of anything. I saw helicopters many times surveying over the last year (10 sq miles). They do not stay long enough in one place to spot nests or birds on the vast expanse of rough, overgrown terrain. Most of the mitigation is for construction only where the workers stay 300-500 feet from nests until the chicks fly away. Then the nests are destroyed. Once they are booted off the land the ground may be 100% graded and filled in preparation for construction. Water for concrete will come from one of the wetlands and piped to the project.

The Staffing Reports are riddled with unachievable mitigation Page 228 of 275 (pg 20 of 62) is convoluted unachievable reporting that would take a specialized software system to administer and an army of personnel. Who, at U.S. Fish & Game/Fish & Wildlife will process all of the reporting, approvals, oversight over all of the stated reporting. The document refers to a qualified biologist and other County staff in the loop but no infrastructure, software systems or personnel are in place to coordinate as a unit.
1) Index to North Sky River draft EIR: http://www.co.kern.ca.us/planning/pdfs/eirs/northsky_jawbone/Index.htm

Link to Kern Planning EIRs: http://www.co.kern.ca.us/planning/eirs.asp
Drill down to find North Sky River Wind Energy for Draft EIR, comments, staff report and responses to comments.

2) Mitigation: This should be the Staff Report. http://www.co.kern.ca.us/planning/pdfs/eirs/northsky_jawbone/NSR_JWEP_pc_sr_081111.pdf
See Mitigation Monitoring starting at Page 24 of 62 of first staff report. This is for construction only. Monitoring of 21 sq miles would take an army of biologists.

3) VIDEO of HEARING ON THE WEB Click on: http://kern.granicus.com/ViewPublisher.php?view_id=9
08/11/11 7:00 PM Planning Commission
Jim Cummings
Jim Cummings
September 9, 2011
sorry, T-man, but wearing headphones and living inside a fancy grating world is probably not gonna cut it for SandyCanyonGal or the folks in other small towns who, as some of the Wisconsin folks told me, just wish they'd been kept a little further away (one guy said he wished they were at least a half mile from his hous, another said a mile).
Aaron Allen
Aaron Allen
September 9, 2011
Hi Jim: Here are a couple more 'random' ideas ref. noise and
light-flash: 1. A maker of aviation headsets has a sound-cancellation retrofit circuit board that fits inside each earphone 'can' and provides 'leak-in' noise reduction. If
residents can stand to wear an aviation headset with microphone boom when outdoors, the 'source' cud be a small AM/
FM radio with additional capabilities via the correct plugs:
Cellphone, cordless land-phone, CB/FRS/GMRD/Bizradio. When any
of these are selected, the entertainment radio is 'ducked'
[volume lowered] or cut off. The short-range mobile radio modes/channels wud allow aviation/emergency services/combat-
like intercommunication radios. In all of these uses, the w.t.
sound [and the racket from their trucks/construction/agriquip-ment, too] wud be greatly attenuated or eliminated...2. Imagine
a master-controller that can incrementally-move solar skylight
dome-mirrors, vertical window blinds, draperies, and affected
vertical or horizontal fence-boards. An 'astromical' timeclock
[which adjusts automatically thruout the year] moves all of the
light-affecting devices so that minimum flash/flicker is exper ienced. Indoor general dayligh is provided by north-facing 'so-
lar domes or skylights: If necessary, internal vanes or blinds
reduce any 'sneak-in flicker'. Other devices control eastern-facing [morning] windows; similar ones respond to western [afternoon] light-flashes. Reflections off of nearby metal outbuildings are reduced by careful painting or shading. After sunset, all devices 'reset' themselves to the sunrise/early-AM positions..Once programmed, the system shud work reliabally with few tweaks, taking tree-growth [shade]into consideration?
When one family discovers their 'best-treatment' of w.t. noise/
flicker, it shud share their experience with others nearby...
Aaron Allen...
Penny Melko
Penny Melko
September 9, 2011
Fact. The only people not bothered by wind turbines are people with hearing defects or who blew out their hearing listening to loud music.

The commenters imply that the people affected by the sound of hundreds of turbines should "man up" and get used to the noise. The other perspective is that the wind developers and manufacturers need to step up to the plate with technology design changes to coexist with the people and environment. There is no middle ground on bad technology. Fix it or scrap it.
Jim Cummings
Jim Cummings
September 8, 2011
FOE: Any few-minutes "sampling" of the noise is really not even worth talking about. You'd need to be there for days or months to get a sense of the patterns (or randomness) of times when the turbine noise is dominent. And no one's saying the noise is a reason to give up on wind power and resign ourselves to fossil fuels. (Well, there ARE a few climate change denialists in the vehement anti-wind ranks, but they're not what we're talking about here.)

The point of my work is to be sure we're being realistic about the actual noise impacts that are taking place within a kilometer or so (the worst complaints start to fade as we approach three quarters of a mile, with some still cropping up out to somewhat over a mile). I'm not talking about health effects, just simple quality of life impacts such as those mentioned in a couple comments above.

As I see it, the response to noise issues is simply to target our wind development in areas not QUITE so close to existing homes, unless homeowners sign off on turbines being closer and within regular earshot. That doesn't mean giving up on windpower, as Oregon shows us, as do all the wind farms in the middle of somewhere across the great plains and west. Here in NM, we have several large wind farms, and all are three miles or more from the nearest remote homes. There's still plenty of places like that up for grabs. (Though, yes, I realize that transmission lines are often also subject to controversy.....the visual impacts, of power lines or turbines, seem to me to be far more head-in-the-sand about our energy needs than are noise issues, since the noise follows you around your yard and inside, and comes and goes, so that it can be quite disruptive to general peace and contentment, and hard or impossible for some people to get used to.)
Penny Melko
Penny Melko
September 8, 2011
Mitsubishi turbines are called Mitsu-leakies.
How many of you have been up close to a 476 foot turbine which incidentally converts to 43.97 stories.

The comment about people living happily near freeways doesn't hold water. They choose to buy or rent near a freeway by choice and affordability. Properties are worth less near freeways and are not desirable or healthy - asthma and childhood cancers are significantly higher near freeways.

The wind developers are running over less populated communities because the land is cheaper and they have fewer lawsuits against them. The ROI is about 2 years and their profit over 20 years is up to 35 times their investment.

The last wave of turbines in the Tehachapi area are about 15 years old. Many don't have propellers anymore, and laying on the ground. The ones that are still operational show heavy leakage of petroleum distillates down the towers and on the propellers, meaning the fluids are being flung all over, contaminating the ground.
Greg Morgan
Greg Morgan
September 8, 2011
I remember hearing evening snowflakes falling on new snow in rural Indiana in 1953. Today I feel that the experience of living where the wind was the only sound, except for an occasional auto passing on the state road a half mile away was an exceptional one. Were I still living there, I suppose I'd feel the same despite the fact that I can hardly hear the birds in the morning. Now, accustomed to living within 900 feet of the Eisenhower expressway, under the south-east O'Hare approach path, I wonder--what's the big deal? The big deal is what you are accustomed to, how much that changes, how quickly and whether it's voluntary. It's pretty loud living in sight of the sea. Moving a mile inland might be pretty upsetting.
ANONYMOUS
September 8, 2011
On the question of a positive or negative effect on the grid, I offer the following link:

http://www.energybiz.com/article/11/02/wind-shortfalls-make-grid-guys-nervous?utm_source=2011_03_02&utm_medium=eNL&utm_campaign=EB_DAILY&utm_term=Original-Member

Here is a quote:

"Simply, the wind does not blow on demand. Ditto for the sun. So these resources must be backed up with other, "dispatchable" forms of generation. But such "firming" or "cycling" creates two distinct issues: The first is that the power is not free and the second is that if coal plants are "cycled" up and down, they release more pollutants per unit of output than if they ran full steam ahead."

And, this is not the only reference to reach that same conclusion.

As for saying that most folks love wind turbines, that's because most folks are not forced to live where they can be annoyed by the unique characteristics of wind turbines. Only a small minority is forced to endure the noise, and other negative effects from ill-sited wind turbines.

The benefits to society from wind turbines is overblown!
Dave Wilson
Dave Wilson
September 8, 2011
The whole point of this article is to say that all turbines all the time in all places is NOT a good idea. Your mileage may vary. It may be that condors and turbines are a bad fit. No argument. The noise is definitely bothersome or worse to some people. No argument.

That doesn't mean that they are never a good idea. That's just silly. Their niche role in the world's energy supply is significant, valuable and much gentler on the earth's resources than the energy sources that they replace. Sorry, anonymous troll. Oh, yeah, and they have a positive impact on the grid and not a negative one when distributed widely. Do your homework before you start lobbing the same old grenades. It really gets tiresome.

Folks who are genuinely interested in a positive turbine outcome should research the 1.5 MW device owned by the town of Portsmouth, Rhode Island. It is situated in a very visible, relatively densely populated neighborhood on the edge of the high school property. Most folks in town love it, because it is beautiful to look at and makes lots of money for them, in significant excess of design. All of that profit lowers their taxes. When it's not spinning folks call the town hall to find out why. This speaks to what John Farrell has talked about here numerous times...Community acceptance of turbines is very closely linked to community ownership.

Does anyone else have examples of this?
Penny Melko
Penny Melko
September 8, 2011
I live in the Tehachapi pass in the most active avian migratory corridor in California. Three of us observed 2 California condors in our canyon this past Saturday. Bald eagles are observed as well. NexTera and the owners of another parcel of land, former owners of Onyx Ranch have applied to install 116 turbines on 13,535 acres which converts to 21 sq. miles of the richest wildlands in CA., 12000 year old ancient Indian settlements, wetlands for money. Kern County's benefit? $400,000 the first year and 12M total for the next 20 years. Basically, this county and the companies are raping precious land. They give the entire wind energy industry the most negative press possible.

Noise? If you don't live with the sound, pulsing pressure against your home and inside your home, 24 hours a day for months on end shut your pie holes. You have no clue what you are talking about. You can put lipstick on a pig, but it is still a pig. The pigs are industrial wind turbines.
Aaron Allen
Aaron Allen
September 8, 2011
Being a former telephoneman, I tend to look at utility plant as
an asset which must be neither too little nor too much: While
w.t. usually ship most of their output to the grid and thus 'back-to-the-city', perhaps strategic w.t. shud serve their own area first--then the rest of the network. If rural
electricity customers cud reduce their average power loads a
few w.t. cud carry them and the suburban load--meeting the generation capability from conventional power plants. This wud allow present transmission and distribution lines to continue to serve all involved without having to up-size the thousands
of miles of suburban and rural plant...The use of 3-phase equipment on farms and the reduction of wasteful lighting and
appliance loads wud allow w.t. to better serve their neighbors
and still be able to 'send' energy back-down the distribution
lines to relieve hydro, natural gas, and [forbid!] coal gener-ation?..Think of most farms, ranches, and rural residences with
geo-thermal HVAC, power load-controllers on large electric motors, low-consuming CFLamps, power load interrupters [just
like suburban homes]. Much can be done to better manage the
entire network. W.t. have a real role in our energy resources and we must place them in the best [tolerable] locations. Silly
idea of the week: Install the larger concrete bases with the
larger bolt-pattern in most locations: If the w.t. needs to be
replaced with a larger one, it wud be cheaper. The smaller one
cud be reconditioned, if necessary, and placed in a new location?..Aaron Allen...
Penny Melko
Penny Melko
September 8, 2011
The noise, open blades that chop up birds, FAA lights and incredible destruction to land makes turbines the wrong technology choice. There hasn't been one change to any of these obnoxious side effects and it will kill the wind industry permanently. I live with noise, light pollution and hate the industry for their arrogance. I'm wind's enemy. Get rid of that crap.
bjorn wiklund
bjorn wiklund
September 8, 2011
What about the never heard infrasound.....give a lot of vauge symptoms like illness, mental stress, non sleeping issues etc. and has to be measured as it isn“t heard ever!
Jim Cummings
Jim Cummings
September 8, 2011
Spout enough randomness and something will line up: one of your rambles is actually being checked out in the real world: GE did some preliminary work in Vinalhaven to see if it could work to do some noise canceling inside nearby homes. No idea if they felt it was worth researching more...
Aaron Allen
Aaron Allen
September 7, 2011
AEI and others: Here's a weird idea: Presuming the major w.t. on someone's land were the full-sized ones, place the slightly-
smaller ones closest to the residences? Cud they react to the
louder, larger ones and 'buck' or even cancel the larger w.t.
noise?..Another idea, suggested by noise-cancelling headsets:
Sensitive microphones pick up the noise and powerful amplifiers
send out a 'reverse' signal--cancelling or greatly reducing the
noise. Techniques like these have been used to reduce engine and propellor noise inside aircraft, large trucks, and railway
locomotives...To warn birds [especially at nite], a few LEDs on
the blades cud show the presence and movement of them?..A final
thot on the farmers living on the 'suburban lots', broken-off
the original farm homestead: The elders convey the 'lot' to
their kids or younger partners when they 'retire'. They move to
town or a smaller 'summer home'--spending the winters in the Sunbelt or Central America, the Caribbean, etc. If able, they
return to 'watch the farm' and do light work as 'the kids' take
off for a week or two on vacation? They stay [as guests] until
harvest--then return to their winter home?..Aaron Allen...
Jim Cummings
Jim Cummings
September 7, 2011
By the way Geoff, my sense is that the increased anxiety being fostered has far more impact in towns where wind farms are proposed than in places where people are living with turbines post-construction. Still, the pre-construction anxiety likely does make people pay more attention to the noise that does occur later. But have we really seen any concrete correlation between pre-construction anxiety and post-operational reports of issues?

In most cases that I've heard about, the small towns where noise issues mushroomed were not places with major pre-construction anti-wind activity. Most of the people I've heard speaking most vehemently about the negative impacts on their lives were not opposed to their local wind development, and many were actively excited about their community participating in this important new social movement toward renewables. Only once several of these situations blew up into public awareness did the local groups elsewhere start raising the alarms pre-construction.

It would be great to get a solid sampling of data that would help clarify what the differences are in communities that have lived with the noise easily and the ones where it's become a significant impact issue. There's some critical mass of numbers of neighbors being bothered, apparently. And likely some place identity factors (ie expectations re: quiet or re: mechanical noise intrusions). eg, when I visited the Sweetwater area of Texas, an amazing landscape-scale region of wind development where it just seems to make sense, there weren't many homes within a half mile of turbines, and most that were, were likely lessees. Lots of turbines over dozens of miles, the vast majority of turbines at least a km, often many kms from any homes, and very few, if any, neighbors being affected without their consent. A model to replicate, I'd say.
Jim Cummings
Jim Cummings
September 7, 2011
Color apparently shows some promise for bird collision issues.

I too live just over a mile from an interstate, hidden behind hills from me. I can hear it most anytime the wind's not blowing the noise away from me, including most nights or mornings through my open bedroom windows. Interestingly, I've become more aware of how constant it is only in recent months after visiting wind farms and listening for turbine noise. So, yes, there's surely an element of attention/focus that ups the ante there. Hearing it actually helps me to understand with more empathy both the people who say turbine noise is no big deal AND those who say it's really annoying them and robbing them of their sense of pristine quiet. While I've come to accept its presence, if the highway noise was thumping or coming and going in the middle of the night or creating more variety of sounds than the it does (and as do turbines in various wind and turbulence conditions), it would be far harder to just ignore or live with.

And, as Anne and Geoff note above, my attitude toward the highway is an ameliorating factor; I benefit from it several times a week, and I have a more generalized appreciation of being able to drive on interstates across long stretches of landscape when I travel. The benefits I accrue personally help me to have more tolerance of the noise impact where I live. (though I'm also very clear that any future land or house I buy will be out of earshot of big roads.....I love 'em but I really don't WANT to live near one again)
Aaron Allen
Aaron Allen
September 7, 2011
Most of the time where I live [about a mile from a busy Inter-state and less than a couple hundred feet from a high voltage
power line], I can hear neither--even on very quiet evenings and at night...When the wind blows from the east, however, which is rare, I can hear the powerline towers squeek and shud-
der and I can hear individual vehicles on the Interstate--cars
rolling along and trucks gearing down to climb grades, then
shift back when they top the hills..When I go back into my home, the noise stops. I have no special noise-mitigation materials or features in my house: With improved structure, insulation, and windows, I'd bet I cud live a few hundred meters from w.t. provided the blade-flicker wasn't super-annoy-
ing. This cud be controlled by vertical window blinds and
properly-built privacy fences that allow steady light in but
NO light/shaddow 'flashing'...Bring 'em on! Swish-swish-swish!
Flicker-flicker-flicker!..I wonder if the COLOR of the blades
might help? If just on one side?..Aaron Allen...
Jim Cummings
Jim Cummings
September 7, 2011
Anne, you're right that it's more than a dB issue, and that more community involvement and benefit are likely to reduce the noise complaints to some degree. It's well-known that the dB level is not a primary indicator of annoyance for any community noise source. The context of the noise and the development, the nature of the noise, the time of day/night, as well as personal differences including noise sensitivity and what some researchers call "place identity" all play into it.

Still, the towns where noise has become an issue actually reflect fairly closely the few solid research studies into annoyance levels around wind farms; in rural areas where a majority of residents are not actively farming/ranching, noise levels of 40dB or above begin to trigger very high negative responses, with a quarter to half of those at these closer ranges feeling their lives are significantly impacted. (not just in places with active pre-construction anti-wind groups, either, eg Vinalhaven where there was clear community benefit and near-consensus about the wind farm)

Community noise standards are never designed to keep problems to zero, but they generally aim for lower negative response rates than this for those hearing sound near the regulatory limits. Community noise specialists from around the world have been puzzled by these higher negative responses, and those who look beyond the simplistic explanation that "they're just anti-wind" or they've been riled into fear and annoyance, are actually highlighting some very useful new ways of looking at wind farm noise, which begin to help us understand the subtleties we're dealing with in these communities.

I really recommend you check out AEI's 55-page annual recap mentioned in the article; it has much more detail that I think can help both sides appreciate that this isn't a black and white issue. Also, http://www.acousticecology.org/wind/ has links to that report as well as other AEI reports and presentations on all this.
ANONYMOUS
September 7, 2011
The externalities of using fossil fuel is not an issue. Wind energy is not a replacement for fossil fuel. It's an add-on. The addition of wind energy into our system of power generation only serves to decrease the efficiency of our fossil fuel power plants to the point where little or no fuel is saved. Furthermore, since the most efficient balancing resource for winds variable output is natural gas, the need for shale gas is increased, not decreased.

The most we can expect to gain from wind is the replacement of coal for natural gas. While that may result in a less polluting system, the cost will skyrocket and the coal will be shipped to China, India, and elsewhere, where it will be burned without scrubbers increasing pollution worldwide.

At this stage of development, wind energy is not worth the annoyance of anyone who is forced to live within a mile and a quarter of a noisy wind turbine.
Geoff Leventhall
Geoff Leventhall
September 7, 2011
An audible noise is not necessarily an annoying noise - we hear noises all the time. Whether a low level of noise is annoying depends to a great deal on attitudes to the noise source. Attitudes can be manipulated one way or the other, and some objector groups have become skilled at fostering anxiety, so lowering tolerance levels.
Anne van der Bom
Anne van der Bom
September 7, 2011
Most people live in rural areas because they were born there, not because they chose to live there.

The majority of people nowadays live in cities. Traffic and other noise is inevitable and nearly constant. So I would say the majority of people do not mind the noise and can be perfectly happy with it.

A personal observation is that when my teenage daughter plays loud music in her bedroom, it doesn't bother me. As soon as one of my neighbours does so (which happens rarely), it irritates the heck out of me. Even if it is barely audible. Why? Because I can picture my daughter having a good time and enjoying herself and because a happy daughter is a good thing for me, a positive association. And I have control over it. As soon as it starts bothering me, I can go upstairs and ask her to turn down the volume. But I never do that. Weird, isn't it?

That's why I say that there is more to noise pollution than just simple dB's.
Anne van der Bom
Anne van der Bom
September 7, 2011
I have always had the impression that wind farms are held to a higher standard. They are supposed to be environmentally friendly. They are presented as 'positive' technology. So people expect them to be 100% positive in every respect. All forms of energy generation have their drawbacks however, and wind power is simply no exception. Ironically, in their resistance to wind, many rural communities indirectly promote the development of the most important alternative to wind energy: shale gas, thereby exposing themselves to far greater health risks.

I can see a lot of people happily living next to noisy highways, and the negative health effects are dominated by emissions, not noise. Emissions that wind turbines do not produce. The reason seems to be twofold. Firstly, virtually everyone owns and uses a car, and thinks it has a positive impact on their lives. Secondly, they perceive the nearby highway as an advantage as it cuts their journey time to work, shopping, etc. There is a direct personal benefit that balances the nuisance.

How is that with wind power? As you already mentioned, there is resistance against green technology. It aligns quite well with climate change denial and free market advocacy. Many wind farms are owned and operated by a power company, with little direct benefit to the neighbours of that wind farm.

The solution is not more stringent noise standards, more silent turbines, or larger setbacks. I.m.o. the solution is to increase community involvement that allows them to buy shares in the windfarm and get electricity at reduced rates. It addresses both concerns: the 'green skeptics' will more easily accept environmentally friendly technology when there is money to be made, and at the same time there is the direct personal benefit.

An audible noise is not necessarily intrusive. Whether you have a positive or negative association with the source of the noise determines if you are bothered by it. That is more important than the dB's.
Jim Cummings
Jim Cummings
September 6, 2011
T-man, you are one ambitious rural planner! never gonna happen, but you get an A for effort.

DL, that's a great insight re: de-externalize some of the costs. The social costs of close proximity to wind farms are pretty darn obvious, not externalized far at all. Not sure how the equations/balancing would compare between these local costs of wind and the societal/eco-system costs of carbon, for example, but it's still valuable to be able to see the costs right there in front of us. Each community or region can then decide what trade-offs make sense to them.
Aaron Allen
Aaron Allen
September 6, 2011
Here's an idea for farm and suburban properties--presuming the
residents live near the center of their property in classic old
farmhouses, surrounded by various barns and other outbuildings.
They must drive-in/out on traditional 'lanes'. They, and their
neighbors, wish they cud live on an 'edge' or 'corner' of their
land [re-deeding it as residential and leaving the remaining as
small-corp or partnership-owned 'business' property]...
Opportunities occur to place the new 'farmhouses' and barns/ shops closer togeather--creating a sort of collection
of 'homesteads'. The farmers now live next to 'the road' or even around a [slightly larger in diameter] cul-de-sac that
farm trucks and machinery can drive around too. Each neighbor has a driveway to 'their ground' which will also support the
weight if the utility trucks that maintain the wind turbines.
All of the 'homes' are carefully sited and surrounded by earth berms and windbreaks that are carefully planned to reduce w.t.
noise and 'blade-flicker', the annoying flashing of light and
shaddow that can disorient the residents. If possible, the homes shud be 'upwind' and 'up-lit' to minimize both noise and
flicker. While specific noise and flash rates are nice, 'out of sight' and 'out of earshot' is better!..If a FEW days a year of noise and flashing are unavoidable, it's a small price to pay for good site-engineering!..If possible, the service lanes to the individual w.t. can also carry the heavy, high voltage cables which 'collect' the w.t. power produced.Modest-
sized models of buildings and w.t. can be actually 'tried out' at various locations to minimize w.t. noise/flicker...Aaron Allen...
Dave Wilson
Dave Wilson
September 6, 2011
Thank you for this reasonable and balanced discussion of the issue. As much as I support rolling out wind turbines as much as possible, here in the northeast US we do need to be respectful of our neighbors, and your proposals offer potentially satisfactory solutions. Interesting that we can gloss over the health risks of distant coal miners, for example, but pay more attention to the discomfort of our neighbors. This is not a bad thing, but rather the consequence of de-externalizing costs of energy production. This is how it should be.

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