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Germany-Greece in Talks Over Massive Solar Project

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August 29, 2011   |   26 Comments

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1 of 26
August 29, 2011
What does it mean "south of the Macedonia border"?
Kozani belongs to the Greek and only one Macedonian terittory. The original and ancient name of Macedonia is "?????????" to whom is interested. If you meant FYROM, you have to correct the text and write "south of the FYROM border".

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http://www.un.org/documents/ga/res/47/a47r225.htm
United Nations
A/RES/47/225
98th plenary meeting
8 April 1993

Admission of the State whose application is contained in document A/47/876-S/25147 to membership in the United Nations

The General Assembly,

Having received the recommendation of the Security Council of 7 April 1993 that the State whose application is contained in document A/47/876-S/25147 should be admitted to membership in the United Nations,

Having considered the application for membership contained in document A/47/876-S/25147,

Decides to admit the State whose application is contained in document A/47/876-S/25147 to membership in the United Nations, this State being provisionally referred to for all purposes within the United Nations as "the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia" pending settlement of the difference that has arisen over the name of the State.
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2 of 26
August 29, 2011
"South of Macedonia border" means that you have to study geography and learn the directions. As far as Kozhani is concerned, it is a Macedonian town in the territory originally known as Aegean Macedonia, populated by native Macedonians. There was no Greek population in that area until 1913. The territory was occupied by the Greek monarch-fascist army after the Balkan wars in 1912 and 1913 when Macedonia was divided between the Balkan states. Since than, more than 200,000 native Macedonians have been expelled from their homeland. Macedonia is one and only, and it cannot be possibly Greek.
Macedonia belongs to the Macedonians!!! 135 countries from all round the world have so far recognized Macedonia under its constitutional name. The last statement of prime minister Gruevski: "If Papandreu likes so, the name issue may not exist anymore".
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3 of 26
August 29, 2011
Germany-Greece $29 billion dollar project should benefit many solar firms, of course. Ontario R&D based ARISE Technologies (TSX:APV, also trades on Frankfurt Exchange), with the actual manufacturing plants in Germany, may be in an excellent position to benefit from the Germany-Greece project.

The Company has three divisions: Photovoltaic (PV) Cell, PV Silicon and PV Systems. The PV Cell Division manufactures PV cells. The PV Silicon Division is using a method to produce silicon at 7N+ high-purity (99.99999 % purity) for PV cell applications, based on a chemical vapor deposition process. The PV Systems Division provides PV solutions for solar farms and rooftop installations. The PV Cell division is developing a high-efficiency (20%+) thin-film on silicon wafer heterojunction PV solar cell based on its process technology. ARISE owns a United States manufacturing process patent (DC saddle-field deposition) related to depositing thin-films on substrates.
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4 of 26
August 29, 2011
The Hellenic (Greek) race has thrived in the Mediterranean sea for tens of thousands of years. The Greek Macedonians (originally from Argos, Southern Greece) were the ones who united all the Greek city states. Macedonia has existed for thousands of years, BEFORE the SLAV-BULGARS invaded the area. Yes, the slavs/bulgars, who moved into Macedonia naturally called themselves "Macedonians," because they lived in the region which was always called Macedonia. What the people of FYROM do not understand, is that there is no "Macedonian" ethnicity. Macedonia was a region of ancient Greece whose founders were from Peloponnese. MACEDONIA IS AN AREA. A MUNICIPALITY. THere is no such thing as "indigenous" slav/bulgar macedonians. The only indigenous people of the land were those who were there for thousands of years prior to the invasion by the slavs. This is the Greeks.

When the millions of Greeks were sent packing from the newly formed "Turkish republic," they were crammed into the modern day Greek borders.

Regarding Kozani, according to the 1904 population census, 12,000 Greeks and 350 Vlachs were living in Kozani at the time.During the 19th century, as foreign travelers relate, the population of the town was Greek, and was growing."

The area of Northern Greece a.k.a. Makedonia has uncovered Greek artifacts from thousands of years ago. These lands, while also later home to many ethnic groups such as the bulgars/albanians/slavs/turks, cannot be denied from the Greeks. Macedonia is, was and will always be Greek, regardless if the psuedo "republic of macedonia" a.k.a. FYROM wants to ursurp Greek history and hold its citizens hostage not only to the past, but to the future as well.

Again,

MACEDONIA IS A GEOGRAPHICAL REGION, an ancient city state like Sparta, Athens, Thebes, Mycenae, CREATED BY GREEKS thousands of years ago before ANY SLAVS/BULGARS/TURKS invaded. Why do FYROMS people never speak of the Peonians or the tribes known to the Greeks?
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5 of 26
August 29, 2011
"We have no relation with the ancient Macedonians. We are Slavs who came to the region in the 6th Century A.D."
Kiro Gligorov,President of FYROM from 1991 to 1999

Macedonia is Greek Here Why 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhFzpok62k0&feature=related

Macedonia is Greek Here Why 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i2594hSSwg&feature=related


Macedonia is Greek Here Why 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVOfzCCL6HQ&feature=PlayList&p=746F64AF2F61F49E&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=2


Which was the ancient Macedonian language?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FUuZtGalNI&feature=related

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Ancient Pella - The heart of Macedonia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwY3l8j8SNk&feature=related

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The ancient Macedonian coins, the Greek letters and the lies
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmOlYXyH2kQ&feature=fvw

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MACEDONIA HISTORY CHANNEL PROOF 1/5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1j4U79eBMo&feature=PlayList&p=DD83DDFF4D2D624D&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=16

MACEDONIA HISTORY CHANNEL 2/5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGXbWo9BHKQ&feature=related

MACEDONIA - HISTORY CHANNEL PROOF 3/5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HTE_Lg_LZg&feature=related

MACEDONIA - HISTORY CHANNEL PROOF 4/5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTcpf4TTNEM&feature=related

MACEDONIA - What THE HISTORY CHANNEL Says 5 of 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFKy0auntSA&feature=related

FYROM ACCEPTS THE HELLENICNESS OF MACEDONIA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmuqA2F9F9s&feature=related

MACEDONIA (IN THE ?R??? OF FAKEDONIANS)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeNWinJu4xg&feature=PlayList&p=39B05939D425F508&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=24

The truth about the history of Macedonia !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://history-of-macedonia.com/
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6 of 26
August 30, 2011
Greece is hopelessly bankrupt and along with several other EURO countries is jeopardizing the Union. Strong EC members like Germany (and France) know any loans probably will not be repaid so a power trade is clever to say the least. We tend to think of rentier nations as providing space for military bases or oil production licenses and so on but the sun's productivity at this lower latitude is a fact and the plan makes a lot of sense. And, in Deutchland's case, at least, getting something back (electrical production) in return for loans or capital expenditure is better than political promises for repayment which won't materialize. Maybe we can make something (anything?) useful out of NAFTA and do the same with Mexico.
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7 of 26
August 31, 2011
Another renewable energy scam which will trash the Greece economy for good.
If the system has 60,000 employees that's $2-3 billion/year in labor cost. It would have to generate at least 50 billion kwh to make sense. It won't produce a small fraction that.
There's a reason solar is about one tenth of one percent of US electric power.
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8 of 26
August 31, 2011
rolf-westgard-67277,
What is your problem? You spend your time bashing the future of solar project on a pro-renewable energy site? Don't you have some small dogs to kick? And where did you get your 'statisics'? Stating obvious lies does make them true.
There has got to be some pro-fossil fuel site you can hang out on.
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9 of 26
August 31, 2011
Yes, trolls like rolf are just a wart on the ass of society.
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10 of 26
August 31, 2011
The truth hurts
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11 of 26
August 31, 2011
back to the subject

The Germans have proved to the world that they know PV "Uber Alis". Now if they take it to other countries, they may become the 'Pied Piper' of PV.
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12 of 26
August 31, 2011
Comments like no. 7 of dragi-peltecki, which include such insults for the official name of a country should never been allowed in a site like this one. It is a shame to host such comments..
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13 of 26
August 31, 2011
Many solar companies have been punished in the last few years, by the market. But, one of the most puzzling for me is the failure of ARISE Technologies (TSX:APV) to generate any value! Is this the end of ARISE Technologies? Their stock plummeted today 9%, and in the last months went down 60%. What's wrong with ARISE Technologies? They have newly built plants in Germany. Germany is, as we see also in this article, http://goo.gl/ZBKpg, very active in solar projects. Germany plans to invest billions of dollars in new Greece solar projects and in its own solar initiatives. ARISE Technologies said it has presence in Germany and Italy solar market. One of the largest in the world. And in Ontario, they have R&D in Waterloo, and there is FIT program in Canada. Yet, ARISE Technologies managed to fail to produce any results for their shareholders. From $1.5 to $0.05 in a few years. Is that a leadership issue?

There is something strange about their web presence too. Their GOOGLE Finance web page (http://goo.gl/jM5O2) has typos in the Company description. It looks like ARISE doesn't care who will read the information about them or how ARISE will be presented to the public. Also, on their web site, http://www.arisetech.com/, they have pictures of their plants with completely cloudy background, and clouds all over their other pictures of their projects. Which solar company will market clouds on their solar products sales sites?

It's just disappointing from ARISE Technologies. I would like to be wrong, but ARISE Technologies may be the solar industry newest failure.
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14 of 26
August 31, 2011
As budget strapped governments cut back on solar subsidies, solar companies start going belly up. Three of them in the US recently with big losses for investors and taxpayers. They can't make it without the handouts.
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15 of 26
Anonymous
September 1, 2011
that's it rolf,
hang around the site and throw ice water on it when you have something whitty to say. little man complex rolf? lack of self-esteem? put down others so your own pathetic life looks a little less useless. welcome aboard rolf.
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16 of 26
September 1, 2011
When logic and reason fail, resort to personal abuse, especially when you can hide as anonymous. Just google my unique name and you can find out about my pathetic life. You could also learn something by taking the fall class I am teaching for the U of MN Lifelong Learning program - #2764 Peak Oil and Peak Water. Last quarter I taught nuclear energy, and my class was able to tour the Prairie Island(MN) nuclear plant with its two reactors.
Rolf Westgard
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17 of 26
September 1, 2011
From NY Times today "A Silicon Valley maker of solar power arrays that was started with high hopes and $527 million in loans from the federal government said that it would cease operations."

There is a role for erratic solar and wind, but after countless billions from taxpayers they provide about one quad of our 100 quads of annual energy consumption.
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18 of 26
September 1, 2011
@ antpaok: Maybe you should speak to your HellAss friends nm1111 and elef8eros about insults for the official name of a country...
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19 of 26
September 1, 2011
The fight over the future of renewable energy in Ontario. - http://goo.gl/Zaq1S
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20 of 26
September 1, 2011
Ontario is another renewables fiasco.
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21 of 26
September 6, 2011
rolf, please now elaborate re: the fiasco that is fossil fuel industry.
Where would that industry be without its subsidies, for instance, the gargantuan cost of moving the cities of new york, LA, new orleans etc when the oceans rise?
The future must be renewable energy. We have no choice. Small subsidies to get it going, or monumentally massive subsidies to deal with the collapse of our climate system.
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22 of 26
September 6, 2011
You want to see a Canadian fiasco? go to Alberta's fort macmurray and lower athabasca. See the environmental and cultural dead zone for yourself. Go to heavy oil towns like bonnyville and deal with the wealthy youth and their expensive polluting noisy toys and drug addictions.

Who will pay for the clean up? for the rehab? for the lost native cultures? Not the oil companies. Taxpayers will. Another taxpayer subsidized freebie for an industry getting rich and leaving a mess in its path.
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23 of 26
September 6, 2011
The Province of Alberta has 147.000 square miles of arboreal forest. As of January, 275 miles have been disturbed by oil sands mining. Restoration is required with guaranty funds deposited in advance. MOre than 80% of future bitumen will be recovered in situ. As of January those restoration funds total $910 million. It is not an environmental dead zone; it is the major North American future source of oil supplies.
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24 of 26
September 6, 2011
Thats funny. Less than 1% of the tar sands has been reclaimed, after 40 years of disturbance. Disturbance by all the world's biggest and richest corporations (Shell, Exxon, Imperial, Total, CNRL, Suncor, you name it, those cheapskates are there). For less than 2$/barrel, they could reclaim it all but they dont.

the athabasca is poisoned. Mountains of sulfur is being stockpiled with no takers.

All of northern alberta's boreal (not arboreal) is cut up and fragmented by cut lines for seismic, energy, logging, oil and gas. There is no more continuous forest anywhere in alberta. There is no more natural contiguous forest at all. Only 1% of Alberta's original parkland forest remains, in a tiny little bison reserve called Elk Island national park . Less than 1% of Alberta's original southern grasslands remains, and it is being developed by oil and gas as we speak.
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25 of 26
September 6, 2011
I know, because that is where I've lived most of my life.
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26 of 26
September 6, 2011
'More than 80% of future bitumen will be recovered in situ.' That is because after the open pits are pillaged, they will go after the next lowest hanging fruit, the tar sands that are too deep to mine in open pits.

'As of January those restoration funds total $910 million.'
That is a peanut compared to the 100 million they generate each and every single day. And, it's all tax deductible. Yet another subsidy.
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