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Putting Damaged Land To Good Use Part II: Coal To Solar Transition

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1 of 11
July 26, 2011
Whilst I do agree that solar power will provide an increasing proportion of energy over time, and recognise that the above is a paper exercise,in the real world, a variety of energy sources will continue to be used.

By blending wind, solar, and small hydro power with the use of biomass such as straw, forestry waste etc. as a "swing producer" a far more secure supply of power is possible with far less power storage.

A further possibility which is becoming feasible in an increasing number of locations is geothermal which is ideal for providing base load power and district heating.

I would criticise the assumptions made in the report regarding projected costs as far too simplistic - the cost of solar will not indefinitely drop as at some point, the technology will become mature and costs will follow those of the material inputs. Also the wage related costs can only drop so far as the systems become easier to fit and PV becomes more powerful per sq metre installed, though on larger systems, robotic installation may play an increasing role.

Regarding coal, the cost is unlikely to escalate indefinitely in real terms as described - especially once carbon capture becomes a mature technology.

There is also an assumption that power consumption will continue to escalate as it has done in the past - much can be done to mitigate this through efficiency measures, though such a scenario is possible if vehicles progressively turn to electricity - in which case, there will be a huge amount of multi-purpose storage in the vehicles.

Some of the projected increase in grid capacity within Kentucky can be averted by dispersing much of the capacity on roofs and near to points of use across the state, though increased interconnection of the electrical grids across the USA into one super grid will allow excess power generated in one state to be utilised in another where at that moment there is a deficit.
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2 of 11
July 26, 2011
I have noticed that most of the electronics gadgets that we use nowadays uses DC voltages, which is precisely what we get from the solar panels. What will the implications be if we run everything in our homes on purely DC, including all the appliances and rechargeable automotive, so that there will be no need for inverters or extra bulky equipment.
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3 of 11
July 26, 2011
1. gary tulie writes: 'the cost is unlikely to escalate indefinitely'. I would argue the opposite - this model seems to simply extrapolate past trends. Coal is becoming a hot commodity: at the moment North American exports of coal are only constrained by port capacity not demand. I would expect strong upward pressure on coal prices as several new ports and upgrades under construction will accelerate this demand. Countries with viable clean coal technology (e.g. China) will be able to drive that demand up indefinitely.
2. It is hard to estimate the ultimate cost of solar power. The experience curve is driven by a mix of economies of scale, learning and new technology. It would be foolish at this point to even hazard a guess at the ultimate efficiency of conventional solar panels as there are so many emerging technologies in the queue and it is too early to estimate the commercial viability of any of them, but at least several will mature. Cost of energy is the reciprocal of efficiency. However, the assumptions in the above model are likely conservative. If I had to pick a number, technology products tend to approach a limit of 1/30X from first commercial use - if we assume that was ~15 $/W for conventional solar modules, the ultimate price is ~0.50 $/W (wild guess) or about 1/3 of today's price.
3. The 25 year horizon for replacement is possibly unlikely, at least for the near future. It is quite possible that the economic performance of solar modules in less than 25 years time will create a compelling argument for replacement even in the stodgy utility power generation business.
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4 of 11
July 26, 2011
And what do we do when the sun doesn't shine ?? which is most of the time.
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5 of 11
July 26, 2011
Sure the screwdriver jobs will be here, they can't be outsourced.

But you can bet the 20 manufacturing jobs will be in China or elsewhere.

Nice article otherwise.
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6 of 11
July 27, 2011
Ontario has a 60% local content requirement for its solar feed in tariff, though this has resulted in higher prices than would otherwise be the case. This is likely to be less so for low cost thin film technologies, as the lower cost of the panels, the low proportion of cost attributable to labour costs and the proportionately higher cost of transporting them (high weight / $ value) erodes much of the current advantage of manufacture in China.

Regarding keeping the power as DC, this is unlikely to result in much of a saving as there are a wide variety of DC voltages required, and for import / export of power from the home significantly higher voltages are needed than are used in domestic DC appliances. Where an appliance has a good match to the DC voltage output of a PV panel, by all means avoid the DC/AC/DC conversion - otherwise you lose the advantage through DC/DC conversions.
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7 of 11
July 27, 2011
RE: Manufacturing jobs here vs. elsewhere...
I have to respectfully disagree with Morongo Bill's comment above. With the dropping value of the U.S. dollar on the international scene, manufacturing has begun reappearing here in the U.S. of late.
And if some of the dire warnings of many economic prognosticators come true regarding the sharper devaluation of our dollar following the coming U.S. credit rating drop, the one bright side is that many companies who do not currently manufacture here will suddenly find it economically appealing to do so...especially if the U.S. and Canada are prime markets for their goods, including solar pv products.
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8 of 11
July 27, 2011
Screw driver jobs are better than no jobs at all. You can't sit on the sidelines for years and suddenly be the top dog. Local markets drive local manufacturing. Build a large enough local market and get better jobs. In any case, a substantial portion of solar is installation, operation, maintenance and infrastructure - these are jobs that are impossible to export. Module manufacturing needs economy of scale which is driven by sales - probably >250 MW per year for a viable US factory. On the other hand, you can save a lot of money by not shipping glass half way around the world.

ruffie: what planet do you live on. Here on earth the sun shines half the day on average - longer on some days (we call that summer) and shorter on others (we call that winter). There is a strong correlation between insolation and HVAC load which can be exploited in Kentucky. But, the author actually factored in a cost of storage. In Kentucky, in addition to the many square miles of land made available by mining, there are cubic miles of caverns, many nearby damaged lands, that could be developed for storage such as compressed air, pumped water or molten salt.
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9 of 11
July 27, 2011
Along with the financial and technical factors attention to the political climate in Appalachia must be considered. While trying to avoid making this forum political I must point out that there was considerable violence and display of gunpower in last years elections in Kentucky. Expect armed resistance to solar conversion from coal interests.
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10 of 11
July 27, 2011
Dear Dan Hofmann, Great article. Well prepared and presented. The only thing I'd consider you to add is the difficult category of ; How much Health Care Savings Comes from Eliminating Coal?

And add that all over America are closed down Landfills that could also become solar farm sites. Brownfeild sites. Salt marshes. Etc. Large sites are available.
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11 of 11
July 28, 2011
See Spiegel Online International article German Switch to Renewables likely to be Expensive it's a reality check
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Dan Hofmann is President and Owner of RegenEn Solar LLC, a PV solar panel installation company in Louisville, KY launched in March 2009.



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