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It Takes a Community To Raise a Wind Farm

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1 of 18
July 22, 2011
Large or small, just don't live within a mile of those turbines. You will be driven up the walls that those low frequency sounds penetrate.
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2 of 18
July 24, 2011
Yes indeed Rolf.

I think this article should be titled 'It Takes the Destruction of a Community to Make a Wind Farm.'

I am here at the Sarajevo Film Festival, and just saw the movie 'Windfall,' a documentary about a small NY town and their experience with wind power.

Here is the website for the movie: http://windfallthemovie.com/

I was shocked. This is a very powerful movie that (like the book 'Silent Spring' did for the chemical industry) exposes the horrible reality that big wind has become.

As with many of the ordinary folks in the movie, I too thought wind power was a good thing, and I still believe renewable energy is important for many reasons.

But when you see the reality of how rural communities are being handed a bill of goods by modern day carpetbaggers, you too will be shocked. Not only are communities being rendered virtually uninhabitable, but big banks and other corporations use shady financial and legal practices to make vast profits on the backs of these unsuspecting people.

And good luck fighting back. I spoke with the filmmaker who reports that she knows of communities in Maine who tried to fight these companies and have been sued to the point of bankruptcy, and in NY state, the big wind industry has recently managed to push through a law that removes town governments from ANY say in siting of wind farms, with all decisions being transferred to the state.

If the wind industry is such a good thing, then why are these things happening?

One more issue: I asked her about installing wind farms in places where there are few if any people, and she explained that she is now getting many emails from Southern California and similar places where initial wind farms are being expanded to many times their initial size, and are encroaching on populated areas.

Again, here is the website for the movie: http://windfallthemovie.com/
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3 of 18
Anonymous
July 28, 2011
Well said,Bob. Our small community of Vinalhaven, Maine has also been a victim of "community" wind. The developer, Fox Islands Wind, went through the whole process of pre-construction community meetings, etc... raising a great deal of enthusiasm within our community for lower electrical rates and "green" energy. We were told repeatedly that noise would not be a problem and that the wind in the trees would cover the sound of the turbines. FIW chose to leave out the information that an earlier acoustical engineer study done in 2008 by RSE of Brunswick, Maine, showed that noise would be a problem and recommended that near by neighbors be educated on the impact of turbine noise. We were duped by all the fanfare and pro-wind rhetoric.
Now that the turbines are up and running, we are living with constant turbine noise. Our quiet, peaceful island days have been transformed into a nightmare of noise. In informational meetings, FIW left out the part that we would be living in an industrial zone! We have discovered that Maine's 45/55 dBA sound limit does not protect us. We have found that as local residents, we are forced into policing the wind farm with our own acoustical engineers since the Maine DEP does not have any equipment of their own or the personnel to monitor the noise. We found out in short order that the FIW turbines are running out of compliance, but have found it next to impossible to get the DEP to enforce their own regulations. Due to back door politics, FIW has gotten away with keeping their own noise data, which is recorded daily, confidential. They have managed with the help of their law firm and out of state acoustical engineers to fight the DEP and to keep the turbines running above compliance. Meantime the DEP, whose new commissioner was a recently a lobbyist for FIW's law firm, sits on their hands ignoring the regulatory issues. The neighbors have spent over $70,000 in effort to get FIW to run the turbines in compliance and obey
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Anonymous
July 28, 2011
Continued from above: The neighbors have spent over $70,000 in effort to get FIW to run the turbines in compliance and obey the law! (see www.fiwn.org) It is simply outrageous what is happening in the US to individuals who are victims of "community wind."
Sleepless nights and the stress of dealing with the whole project, has caused some neighbors to experience serious health effects. One neighbor has been forced to give up his retirement dreams and abandon his home! Others are trying to decide how to move forward. For sale signs have sprung up around the project but only one home has sold for a fraction of the asking price. In a beautiful scenic area such as Vinalhaven, who wants to buy a house situated in a noisy industrial zone next to three 400 foot turbines?! Currently, FIW has managed to make Vinalhaven a beta testing site for a new kind of blade technology. If this works as promised, the noise will be lowered 2 to 3 dBA. Although this is an improvement, it will not make a significant difference.
The Maine state regulations and the DEP's ability to enforce them has failed us. FIW has refused to take responsibility for their outrageous misrepresentation of the wind project. It seems our only hope of resolving the noise issue without further destroying our community is new technology which at this point is not capable of offering enough relief from the noise. What options do the nearby neighbors have? It seems to me that community wind projects should be stopped in their tracks until reasonable setbacks and state regulations are cast in stone. As is, the wind industry is definitely the bad guy and any community who has done their homework will fight like mad to keep them OUT.
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5 of 18
July 28, 2011
All the above comments are true and are typical in any country where Wind Turbines are erected - it must be the most immoral industry there is and is built on lies and deceit.Should we be supprised when a little due diligence shows our old friend Enron to be the Grandaddy of many of todays Wind Companies.
For more information go to www.windconcernsontario.org make sure to check the many links or try epaw.org for
International news and info.
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6 of 18
July 30, 2011
Community Wind Projects is an excellent idea. In fact Wind farm co-operatives are a great success in Denmark.

Dr.A.Jagadeesh Nellore(AP),India
Wind Energy Expert
E-mail: anumakonda.jagadeesh@gmail.com
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Anonymous
July 30, 2011
I feel for the commenter above and there are some serious questions about offsets for wind power, but it seemingly begs the question: How would you like to have a coal plant in your backyard instead?
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8 of 18
September 13, 2011
@Anumakonda - Danish wind turbines are much much smaller than the giants being erected today. Denmark has not added any new onshore wind capacity since 2002, because the Danes know what that would mean.

@Anonymous - Actually, you are "begging the question" by implying a premise behind your question that is unproved. Even the Danes still use as much coal as ever. It's not "instead" but rather "in addition".
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9 of 18
October 19, 2011
I will check out this movie and return later with comment.
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10 of 18
October 19, 2011
After viewing the video at the site referenced I consider this to be a load of it. During the recording of the video the turbine sounds were added onto the sound tract, and even with that dishonest attempt, the noise level was not significant. During the recording of the testimonials, the turbine noise was not evident, how can significant noise not be picked up during the conversation occurring in the affected area? One person makes the claim that blades are spinning at 150 miles an hour, which is a total fabrication, easily disproven by listening to the overlayed turbine sound that demonstrates a slow turning blade, as well as the fact that no turbine is built that moves at such extreme high speed, and most are designed to stop when winds are more than 55 miles an hour, so the fastest possible speed would be 55 miles an hour, and even that is not seen with geared turbines.
To find dishonesty and gross exaggerations used, along with the fact that actual turbine noise is not readily evident on the testimonial recordings, makes me want to totally discount this testimonial as dishonest. It is probably an attempt to extort money from the utility. Why do they not just stand outside and allow the real noise level to be heard on the recording as they speak? If people are expected to be supportive of the complaints, then an honest case must be made.
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11 of 18
October 19, 2011
Have you contacted the maker of the film? She personally answers emails sent to info@windfallmovie.com. I would encourage you to do that, and am curious what her response might be. This is not a rhetorical comment, I would encourage you to contact her and report back her response.

In meeting her several months ago, I can tell you that she receives many emails from communities worldwide who feel they have been severely impacted by wind power installations that have been installed with insensitivity to the community. (such as other posters here)

Personally, I think wind power is an important component in preventing climate change. But what the film taught me was that these are BIG machines, and if they aren't carefully deployed, they will have a very negative impact on the very environment they are supposed to protect.

I think this problem of sighting is exacerbated by the fact that these BIG machines are built and financed by BIG companies, who are not known for sensitivity to anyone beyond their shareholders.

Frankly I just hope deep offshore wind becomes a proven technology, so the bankers and industrialists will leave rural communities alone.

I am glad that some seem to share my vision: http://gigaom.com/cleantech/by-the-numbers-googles-offshore-wind-investment/
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12 of 18
October 19, 2011
@aligatorhardt: The tip speed of a wind turbine is easily calculated by multiplying the blade diameter times pi times the rpm (and then converting from, say, meters/min to miles/h). for example, A 3-MW Vestas V90 at 19 rpm has a tip speed of 200 mph.
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13 of 18
October 20, 2011
I have visited windconcernsontario and found nothing but rhetoric and vague claims based on imagination. This reminds me of a UFO convention with a lot of people with too much time on their hands and too much crack in their pipes.
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14 of 18
October 20, 2011
@aligatorhardt: Who mentioned windconcernsontario? And someone who insists that a wind turbine blade can't go faster than 55 mph is in no position to mock their information.
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Anonymous
October 20, 2011
I am tired of these people who profess to know so much about turbine noise and who minimize the trials of living next to industrial sized wind turbines when they do not live next to a wind farm themselves! I have seen the trailer to the movie Windfall and it certainly hits home!! Believe it. Living next to a industrial sized turbines impacts ones health, quality of life, and property values. Recently in Maine, the BEP has recommended that the state noise regulations be lowered at night from 45 dBA to 42 dBA at the nearest neighbor's property line. This is nowhere near enough, but it is a beginning. As more people come face to face with the realities of having ones home turned into an industrial site, pressure has increased on state legislatures and slowly but surely the laws are being changed to greater setbacks and lower dBA levels. Let's hope they make these changes retroactively or that they compensate wind turbine neighbors for their loss so that people who have had the misfortune of having wind projects built too close to them, will be able to afford to sell their homes and move. As is, the downside of wind projects rests firmly on the shoulders of those people who happen to live near them.
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16 of 18
October 21, 2011
When one considers the harms from constantly rising radiation levels and chemical pollution in our air and water, and consider that cancer rates are now so high that near 40% of people can expect to experience some form of cancer in their lifetime, we are at a point where it is imperative that our environment be cleaned up. When 90% of the world's water is unfit for drinking due to pollution, and water for irrigation is unavailable for many parts of the world, when we see glaciers that provide fresh water shrinking away from mountaintops, it is way past time to take action to change our habits in how we make electricity.

I spent the time to view the video and found a lack of evidence to support the claims. I found that turbine sounds were simulated and mathematical tricks were used to make 19 rpm speed represent the movement of a speeding airplane. I read that 90% of people near wind farms do not have problems living with wind turbines. When questioning the lack of evidence, I am invited to hear more hearsay testimony. This testimony is over ridden by the 90% who like having wind turbines, and the trickery used in doctoring evidence, greatly damages the character of the opposing witnesses. If you are to convince others to have sympathy for your case, you must have evidence that is true and believable. In comparison to the harms from using the alternative fossil fuel and nuclear power options, I will always choose a little noise and passing shadows over cancer and asthma, and extreme damages to air and water.

I consider it inappropriate to come to a industry news site and cover the page in these trumped up charges. The wind industry has made efforts to minimize sound levels, and those levels are less than highway noise, less than passing airplanes, less than farm equipment in operation, less than the barking dogs and mooing cows of rural areas.
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17 of 18
October 21, 2011
@aligatorhardt: The video you watched was a 2-1/2 minute trailer for a full-length movie. And that movie is primarily about the destruction of a community by predatory developers, hence a propos to this article.

And you should really stop going on about the blade speed, which does indeed range in different turbine models from 150 to 200 mph.

Finally, you write, "If you are to convince others to have sympathy for your case, you must have evidence that is true and believable. In comparison to the harms from using the alternative fossil fuel and nuclear power options, I will always choose a little noise and passing shadows over cancer and asthma, and extreme damages to air and water."

Where is your "true and believable" evidence that wind power actually reduces fossil fuel and nuclear power use, let alone cancer, asthma, and environmental damage?
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Anonymous
October 21, 2011
Rucio is correct. Wind energy does not reduce our carbon footprint and the documented health effects and loss in property value of living near wind turbines are a very serious matter. There are other sources of renewable energy that could help to reduce fossil fuels and not at the same time harm the environments and its inhabitants. Solar energy and tidal power are two very interesting alternatives for Maine that would not blast away the tops of mountains, ruin scenic areas thus destroying Maine's tourist industry, or destroy the lives of people who happen to live near wind projects. It is easy for people like alligator to push the wind industry rhetoric. My guess is that if a wind project was built next to his home, he would be singing a different tune!
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