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GM's Solar Mission: Volt Charging Stations

Ucilia Wang, Contributing Editor
July 29, 2011  |  21 Comments

General Motors wants to make eco-friendly cars and make sure some of those cars get eco-friendly source of electricity. That's the idea behind the company's $7.5 million equity investment in Sunlogics.

Aside from making the investment through General Motors Ventures, the carmaker also signed agreements with Sunlogics to put solar panels on electric car charging stations at Chevrolet dealerships and GM’s own buildings. GM also has signed power purchase agreements to buy power from larger solar arrays that Sunlogics will build at GM’s facilities.

The automaker Friday said it plans to put solar charging stations at 24 dealerships in North America. Installations already have been completed for two dealers, one in California and the other in Michigan. GM and Sunlogics will pay for iinitial costs of the equipment, permitting and construction while the dealers will pay a monthly charge after the stations are completed, said Sharon Basel, a spokeswoman for GM.

The automaker launched the plug-in electric hybrid Chevy Volt late last year and set up a $100 million venture capital fund to support technology development in more fuel efficient gasoline or electric vehicles.

Installing solar panels at charging stations helps to avoid the inevitable jab by critics that electric cars aren’t as “green” as they appear because most of the electricity generated in the United States comes from power plants using coal and natural gas. Such projects also make a good marketing strategy, of course, as GM will face a growing competition in the young electric car market.

Expect more charging station owners or car dealers to do the same if the electric market takes off. SolarCity, which began as a solar system installer, announced this week that it’s now selling and installing electric car charging stations as well. The company’s proposition is that solar electricity can be had for cheaper than power from utilities, so electric car owners should just buy solar systems along with a home electric car charging unit.

Sunlogics, which lists Rochester Hills, Mich., as the location of its headquarters, plans to use some of the money from GM to set up a headquarters and build a factory Detroit. The company also plans to build factory in Ontario, Canada. Sunlogics makes its own solar panels using amorphous silicon. It uses its own panels and equipment from other suppliers to build power generation projects.

It's peculiar that GM chose a company that is using a technology that hasn't gained much traction in the market. We used to hear a lot more about startups developing amorphous silicon thin films a few years ago. Ever since Applied Materials ditched the business of selling factory equipment for making amorphous silicon panels last year, the industry's collective enthusiasm for the technology seems to have dissipated. 

But Sunlogics has served GM before. Sunlogics previously built solar arrays at GM facilities in Spain and California.

GM said its buildings are home to 30 megawatts of solar right now, and that number will grow to 60 megawatts “in the next few years.”

 

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James Tyson
James Tyson
August 7, 2011
I have a question on how these charging stations operate:
Does this go from DC solar panels directly to DC car battery? Or does it get converted from DC to AC and then back to DC again? The latter is more expensive and less efficient, but may be the only way to do it if you are supplementing the charging station with AC power from the grid on cloudy days.

Still, if I were to buy a solar carport for my driveway, I'd want something simple that could use the sun whenever available and could shut down at night or when too cloudy. Does the Volt have a spot to plug in DC electricity as well as AC?
Gary McCallum
Gary McCallum
August 7, 2011
Karen instead of re-reading your previous comments I will re-post them for you to read

"Make fun if you must (re: the MAGIC car) but there are those that are working on a solution - some are working on a better attached solar panel, others are working on better batteries, and others are working on being able to recharge the battery packs from the energy produced by the energy of the car while it moves"

Better solar pannels are on their way in incremental steps. Better batteries soon. My favourite is the lithium sulpher using carbon nanotube technology with three times the capacity of lithium ion.
Being able to recharge the battery packs from the energy of the car while it moves will require more energy. I have an alternator that recharges the battery of my truck by using energy from the internal combustion engine. Formula 1 cars previously used KERS kinetic energy recovery system that was generated by the braking action.
The energy of the car, its force is equal to its mass times its acceleration F=(MA) Middle school stuff. In order to generate energy from the energy of the car (its force) you have to decelerate the car or increase the energy input. Sorry but simple physics. No free ride so to speak
And no I hope to never mature as my child like attitude is my most charming attribute
Karen Lee Munson
Karen Lee Munson
August 6, 2011
gary-mccallum-153526

Please re-read my previous comments, Gary, as I did not claim that there could ever be a perpetual energy machine...I do understand physics. However, the efficiencies are being worked on and with a combination of different technologies, and future experimental research there will be beter ways of producing an electric car that will be marketable to the masses.

You tell on yourself with your middle school level insults - perhaps one day you will mature.
Edward Leaders
Edward Leaders
August 6, 2011
So cruel Gary....but the truth can hurt sometimes.
Gary McCallum
Gary McCallum
August 6, 2011
Better to make electric cars that re-charge their own batteries as they drive......other ways are most ignorant....but hey...it's one way to suck more money from the taxpayers via grants for stupid charging stations.

Karen on earth as well as every other planet in the universe there is a thing called the second law of thermo dynamics. Read and try to understand please.
You cannot drive a car around and produce energy.
1 it takes energy to drive your car around
2 to produce energy from driving our car around would require more energy.
3 there are loses in energy that is turned into heat from friction and resistance. This is known as efficiency.
4 driving your car around to produce energy would require substantially more energy than the two ton car can produce because you need to get the mass up to speed to generate the energy from braking.
There is a nut job on the internet trying to promote something called E2E where according to the promoter if you put in one unit of energy you get ten out of it.
This qualifies as a perpetual motion machine.
No go to the USPTO web site and review what qualifies for a patent. The concept must work therefor they do not accept applications for perpetual motion machines.
Go back and study grade nine or ten physics or join the delusional Tea patry to perpetuate the continuation of self prescribed ignorence.
Option number two if you cannot find a magic car go to ancient Persia and buy a magic carpet

"Thanks for the entertainment Larry"
Wesley Sugai
Wesley Sugai
August 3, 2011
Thanks Phil...my comment was sorta tongue in cheek. But you are right. I'll need to add another 8 panels or 16? The reason is that I live in the rain forest area and yesterday, I generated only 3.8kwh, my home with my 2 college age sons here for summer, uses 8 kwh/day.
Phil Manke
Phil Manke
August 3, 2011
To #17;
16Kwh can be produced by eight 240 watt panels on sun for six hours, (1152Whrs) with losses for inverter, charger, etc..
Wesley Sugai
Wesley Sugai
August 3, 2011
Nice to be able to be off grid with an Volt. However, you will need a lot of panels to make 16kwh. If you have a PV system like mine, 240w panels of single crystal almost 20% efficient, it will be quite cost prohibitive. You'll need 66 panels to get 16kwh using my system...ouch. My latest quote was $10,000 for 8 panels. Or rough eyeball calculation would cost me lemme see....8 sets of 8 panels at $10k each=$80,000. I don't think I can do that. Or using amorphous silicon which is only 10%efficient, I'll need about 120 panels!!
lawrence elliott
lawrence elliott
August 2, 2011
"Make fun if you must (re: the MAGIC car) but there are those that are working on a solution - some are working on a better attached solar panel, others are working on better batteries, and others are working on being able to recharge the battery packs from the energy produced by the energy of the car while it moves."
RECHARGE THE BATTERY PACKS FROM THE ENERGY PRODUCED BY THE ENERGY OF THE CAR WHILE MOVING.
WOW! I knew American's in general were completely science illiterate but you prove it beyond doubt.
Somehow I can see you having been a big supporter of THE BUSH CRIME FAMILY and are now a tea bagger. I bought my solar panels the old fashioned way. I refused to buy junk I did not need and put the money on the panels. Try it.You may like it.
Karen Lee Munson
Karen Lee Munson
August 2, 2011
@edward-leaders-173057

You are so correct. Thanks.
Karen Lee Munson
Karen Lee Munson
August 2, 2011
@larryofgalaxy

Make fun if you must (re: the MAGIC car) but there are those that are working on a solution - some are working on a better attached solar panel, others are working on better batteries, and others are working on being able to recharge the battery packs from the energy produced by the energy of the car while it moves. But until that time comes and until all of us are as well-off as you and are able to afford our own solar array/charging station those vehicles that are most useable and practical will be the fossil fuel supplemented electric vehicles.

Also, there is NOTHING in this world that is free. The batteries for the electric cars are not free. And those batteries take fossil fuel to produce...quite a lot of it. Being able to afford your own solar array is wonderful....good for you. I am simply stating that the general population cannot do the same and to have solar charging stations at GM dealerships is totally unworkable for the majority of the population.

The other perfectly placed solar charging stations would have to of necessity be financed by another raping of the taxpayer and we need to stop that damned spending of money we don't have. Debate that all you wish...you will be seeing this reality all too clearly in the near future, I'm afraid. Even being on the top of the food chain as you seem to be will not help you to escape the poor hungry jobless crazies..
Phil Manke
Phil Manke
August 2, 2011
To comment#1; What are these cars that charge themselves then? Do you mean they would have solar panels on them? This is impractical for all the power, and only works with dedicated solar competition cars. Your comment is without meaning in a practical sense.

It seems practical to settle to the understanding that it benefits everyone if those who are able will install solar panels for heat and electricity, and that it is beneficial to use "carbon producer" payments to credit those power producers for the power produced.

The Ute's can no longer assume the use of our common atmosphere, water, and land for their "trash can" that poisons our common environment, without paying a high cost for it.
Edward Leaders
Edward Leaders
August 2, 2011
@Electric38

I would love to see the wind turbines used in the manner you speak of. Just imagine each wind turbine as a fueling station (battery swap). This would benefit not only drivers but would benefit the power companies. The charging and charged batteries can be used as peakers rather than natural gas turbine generators.
Edward Leaders
Edward Leaders
August 2, 2011
@larryofgalaxy

Where can I get those free solar panels that I can use the free energy they produce to power my EV (maybe the EV is free also)? Let me know and I wont go out an puchase today.
Edward Leaders
Edward Leaders
August 2, 2011
@Karen Sorry Karen... I assumed you knew that youd have to have an awfully large solar panel to keep the batteries charged thereby making a long distance solar only car highly impracticle. Also assuming using todays solar cells. Mabe in 20 - 30 years we will be using nano technology tht will make this possible. Or maybe actual solar batteries that store both the heat and electrons from the sun.
lawrence elliott
lawrence elliott
August 2, 2011
"Better to make electric cars that re-charge their own batteries as they drive......other ways are most ignorant....but hey.."

MOST IGNORANT!!

Just where does this magical energy come from to charge the batteries??

Perhaps like the Prius or other hybrids do?
They use gasoline and an internal combustion engine to do this.

To denigrate the use of solar PV to charge the batteries of an EV makes no sense on any level.

Perhaps I'm the fool for plugging my EV into my own PV array and charging each day. Maybe I should have purchased a MAGIC CAR or one that requires me to first drive to the gas station to get the fuel to charge the batteries and just forget the free power I could have used.

Never ends does it?
Karen Lee Munson
Karen Lee Munson
August 2, 2011
@edward-leaders-173057

IF I were talking hydrogen I clearly would have stated hydrogen...don't put words in my mouth. I will reiterate...my comment was clearly directed to the SOLAR charging stations!!
Edward Leaders
Edward Leaders
August 2, 2011
@karen-lee-munson-31435 - You must be talking Hydrogen which is impractical at this point.

@electric38 - Is the problem with the utility companies? Really? Would you expect the utility company to put solar cells on your roof so that you dont have to pay them?

Who is going to pay the cost of maintaining the charging stations? Surely some will fail. Who will cover the cost of replacing failed batteries and disposal?

There is NEVER a zero cost energy.
Karen Lee Munson
Karen Lee Munson
August 2, 2011
@electric38

Your logic is severely flawed. Yes the sun shines freely, however, utilizing this free energy is NOT free. And it is NOT our governments job to support this VERY expensive system. It requires the taking of property, the building of the charging stations, the maintainance of these stations and will ultimately become one more BLOATED government program that grows out of control and ends up not provide "free energy" in an effecient manner. I am so over this government taking my hard earned money and throwing it away on another great idea with no realistic accounting. Don't you remember that the government is a money grubber? And now it not only takes our money by themselves, but they are also in partnership with selected LARGE corporations like GM and GE...hell, it owns part of the moneygrubber GM!!!
Ralph Perez
Ralph Perez
August 2, 2011
Americans don't want GM owned charging stations. Solar rooftops and canopies should have already been in place throughout the country for residents and small businesses. Oil, utility, auto and banks have been footdragging on this issue for long enough! Set up an independent nationwide solar infrastructure owned by the taxpayers. These stations will charge quick swap batteries on demand. Cost for fuel for all Americans = 0. True cost of sunshine = 0. Quit letting the banks, Google, the utilities, the oil companies , the electric companies, the auto companies burn up brain cells (and political funding) to try to get a monopolistic grip on the average consumer. The energy from the sun is free. Quit trying to meter it.
Solar ink development along with "plug and Play" consumer installed installation will hopefully shut these money grubbers up. Solar rooftops = 0 fuel cost.

By the way GM. Have you looked around you? The economy is in horrible shape. Where is the affordable electric car built for a consumer in these conditions? Saving that one for China or Germany to produce?
Karen Lee Munson
Karen Lee Munson
August 1, 2011
Better to make electric cars that re-charge their own batteries as they drive......other ways are most ignorant....but hey...it's one way to suck more money from the taxpayers via grants for stupid charging stations.

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Ucilia Wang is a California-based freelance journalist who writes about renewable energy. She previously was the associate editor at Greentech Media and a staff writer covering the semiconductor industry at Red Herring. In addition to Renewable...
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