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Fort Felker: Driving Innovation in Wind Power

An unassuming guy, Fort Felker leads a high-powered research team for the U.S. Department of Energy that seeks to advance the country's renewable energy goals.

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1 of 15
I like Dr. Felker and the work that the NWTC is doing, but it does beg the question: should the government be trying to innovate in the area of a commercial technology, and if so, how does it do this without interfering with commerce?
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2 of 15
July 8, 2011
I'm afraid that Dr Felker is not correct that the KVS45 was the first wind turbine that 'combined variable speed, full power conversion, variable pitch and tubular towers.' The WEG MS-1, which we built on Orkney 10 years earlier - in 1983 - had all these features, as had various German and Italian machines. We supplied MS-2's, with variable pitch and tubular towers to Kenetech in 1986, and these were still running a couple of years ago. Kenetech's problem was that their technical concepts - including the KVS 45 - could not deliver to the aggressive marketing and reliability targets which management had embarked on. The European companies - which on the whole were way ahead of the US technically - continued to thrive while the Kenetech technology went through a series of fire-sales including at one point to Enron.
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3 of 15
July 8, 2011
Good article, especially the detail on reliability testing.

Where are the cost saving going to come from in the next 10-20 years? As a mature technology, wind appears to have already squeezed out most of the cost inefficiencies.
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July 8, 2011
Dr. Felker has done and is doing excellent work at NTWC, but his view of Kenetech and the KVS series is not correct. As John Armstrong stated, there were earlier turbines with similar properties, which were known by the global wind engineering community. I'd already climbed the MS-1 on Orkney in 1983, and can attest to its design.

Kenetech did not 'close up shop,' it went bankrupt for good reason. Management had destroyed the finances of the company, while at the same time using skewed figures to record performance. Additionally, the highly competent engineers were overruled on engineering matters routinely, resulting in the the failed KVS-33. Questionable management practice was the major culprit, not the minor role of 'deregulation.'

The bankruptcy, and the accompanying black eye to the industry, damaged the US wind industry for years. Not least, by splitting apart the center of engineering knowledge which was the the heart of the company. (I know, I went through every single page of the discovery in a fraud allegation case.)

I won't go into details in a comment post, but journalists should independently verify such important factors when interviewing a participant on one side.
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5 of 15
July 8, 2011
I predict the next innovations in the wind industry will be replacing the tower as we know it.Watch floating platforms (Hywind etc.)replace on shore towers. And then, the holy grail of wind VERY HIGH ALTITUDE : sails, blimps, and gliders that are many hundreds even thousands of feet up, which eliminates the high costs of the tower and get to better wind potential.
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July 8, 2011
Randy, I'm intrigued you climbed the MS-1 in 1983.... if you mail me privately at johnarmstrong@tidalstream.co.uk I would like to hear how that came about and what you thought...
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7 of 15
July 8, 2011
Excellent article on Innovations in Wind Energy. The research by
Fort Felker will help to improve the performance of Wind Turbines.

Dr.A.Jagadeesh Nellore(AP),India
Wind Energy Expert
E-mail: anumakonda.jagadeesh@gmail.com
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8 of 15
July 9, 2011
Just a question...is a large windmill with a geothermal base, that also utilizes a large (to enhance the surface area) solar collection system on the blades being developed or tested? Has one that uses its power to trickle charge its own battery and also pumps water uphill (either a storage tower or upstream from a large or small dam) been simulated? It would seem that one or the other energy source might make itself available at any given time.
Would the resultant energy outcome be more than what is projected from a simple magnetic propulsion perpetual motion scheme?
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July 9, 2011
Joel, Dr. Felker answers your question about the source of cost savings. "A lighter system costs less…" Wind is not "mature technology". Three-blade, upwind turbine technology is probably mature with most of the cost inefficiencies squeezed out as you say. But there is at least one system that meets Dr. Felker's lightweight, lower cost test and that is the two-blade, downwind design. If subsidies go away, and it seems like they might, perhaps the 2-blade design will finally get a true market test.

Larry Miles
The Wind Turbine Company
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10 of 15
July 10, 2011
No matter how the PR pushes it, wind will never match solar PV -- it doesn't now and as a derivative of solar energy itself, it never can. Even forgiving its huge waste of land, necessarily remote siting, thus loss, and fossil-fuel dependence for hundreds of tons/MW of structural material (steel uses coal, concrete needs fueled kilns & generates CO2), wind can't reach even to 200W/sq meter now delivered by commercial solar PV.

Then come maintenance, reliability & insurance costs, control-system costs, and storage. And, as China is finding, how to move the wind machines miles away when the initial locale doesn't work as well anymore -- those 1000cu-yard foundations are a bear to drag elsewhere. Oh, just leave it? Right, now there's an environmental 'green' subsidy.
;]
When the govt. $ run out... Can anyone say 'corn ethanol'?

Signed, just another SU PhD.
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July 17, 2011
dear lawrence miles & DrAlexC, If you google up 'Makani' you might find the next step in getting to a 'mature wind technology';similar power production per windmill, a small fraction of the weight (and therefore the expense), don't have to be in remote location (because they fly at high altitude) AND BEST OF ALL ; since they are at high altitude, there is more dependable wind available to harvest. They will be factory built, so there are closer manuf. tolerances,indoor conditions, etc. And when a repair or maint. is needed ; you reel in kite #1 disconnect it, reconnect kite #2 and put it back on line. Repairs and maint. is now done to kite #1 on the ground. Almost no down time, as opposed to wind mills.
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July 18, 2011
We use GreenGas.cc to store wind electric for time of need.
It makes wind electric much less intermittent.
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13 of 15
July 18, 2011
For Jim -- Greengas is ammonia (NH3) derived from various processes, like methane (CH4) from biodigestors. To quote the refreshingly honest comment here: http://theenergycollective.com/geoffrey-styles/46324/ammonia-alternative-fuel

'...energy density, which is less than half that of gasoline by weight, and about 40% by volume. So a gallon of ammonia would only take you about 40% as far...'

The problem, of course, is that Nitrogen doesn't burn readily and we don't want it to, since even in normal fossil-fuel burning in air, Nitrogen oxides are polluting emissions, even greenhouse gasses and even ozone-layer killers. So ammonia has no future for a major vehicular fuel.

Then too, the energetics of the process for making ammonia aren't sensible -- so much is wasted and energy density is low, while emissions are high, only some folks getting subsidies to put in their bank accounts benefit.

Much as the thankfully halted corn-ethanol subsidies produced energy at 0.3% efficiency (measured from sunlight to wheels), while just taking ordinary solar cells for battery charging for EVs nets over 15% efficiency, and improving.

On Steve's kites, they sound fun & are an old idea, even older than WWII barrage balloons, designed to make life difficult for aircraft (we don't care about birds, of course).

But any 'magic' energy solution has to pass muster on things like efficiency, power density, maintenance, lifetime, transmission loss, resource consumption, etc.

All wind fail on efficiency, power loss & density. Kites are even worse for maintenance, thus reliability -- none allowed in tornado or hurricane country (a lot of the country)! Potential for serious interference with aircraft, given the vast number of kites needed to make a dent in power use, is mind boggling. And, imagine a bad storm loosing a kite's strong tie cables, yanking them over to a main transmission line and pulling that down...

In the '50s, we all were going to have flying cars.
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July 18, 2011
DrAlexC,
Google thinks enough about these silly kites to write BIG CHECKS. And I think they are becoming a driving force in the alternative energy market. They have recently won one of the inventions of the year from the TED organization. They produce as much electric power as a static windmill weighing about ten times as much.They can be landed in about an hour and maintained on the ground.

In the 50's we were going to have so much nuclear power they wouldn't even bother to meter it.
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15 of 15
July 18, 2011
Being a few miles from Google and knowing some of the folks who decide where checks should go, I'll just say they have so much $ lying around (check their latest report) they don't really care if 90% of what they support are duds. If big $ went with wise decisions, we'd not have VCs aiming for 30:1 return on some ventures, just to stay afloat funding the dud majority.

Just FYI, they also support the Thorium MSR (e.g., see http://tinyurl.com/yb2qgex), which is reasonable, and the Bloom Box, which isn't. Reality does indeed demand thought, not just belief in hype.
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