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Wall Street's Irrational, Dangerous Hatred of Solar Stocks

Garvin Jabusch, Green Alpha Advisors, LLC
June 23, 2011  |  29 Comments

For most of 2011, the stocks of solar power companies of all kinds, from providers of raw polysilicon to developers of finished utility scale plants, have been taking a beating on world and U.S. stock markets, partly because solar has been the industry most singled out for attack by bearish short sellers.

I can’t describe this phenomenon any better than did Roberto Pedone in a recent column for thestreet.com:

Besides the banking sector post-2008 financial crisis, I can't think of a group that's as hated and despised as solar stocks…For whatever reason, this entire complex has become a favorite target of short-sellers. There are so many names in the solar sector that are heavily shorted that it's hard to find a name the bears aren't leaning all over. One famous and successful short-seller, Jim Chanos, has even made it publicly clear that he thinks the wind and solar stocks are a bunch of "hot air." 

"For whatever reason" indeed. Solar is hated in spite of being the fastest growing energy sector in the U.S. (67% 2010 growth; 66% growth just in the first quarter of 2011) and in the world (70% 2010 growth), and also despite its shares trading at very low valuations already.  Take for example Green Alpha ® Advisors' holding and China-based solar company LDK Solar. The company's shares have fallen from US$14.49 per share in February to $6.94 as of this writing.

I can find no good fundamental reason for the decline: LDK's latest quarterly earnings came in at $.95 per share where consensus analyst expectations were $.86; the company has year-on-year sales growth of 202%, has a price-to-earnings ratio of only 2.22, plenty of cash on the balance sheet, and a price-to-book ratio of just .91. That's right, even if the company were closed and its assets liquidated, the cash generated at the yard sale would be greater than the current market cap, though the earnings should have value.

LDK is the very definition of a "value" stock. Or, inversely, shorting any company this cheap, that's this fundamentally solid, and that's growing this fast is the very definition of "irrational." LDK happens to be one of our favorites, but it's easy to find similar valuation stories throughout the industry today. This trend would be odd enough on its own, but, simultaneously, other events in the story of global energy are unfolding.

While solar companies are being beaten up, the fossil fuels side of the energy supply is having a more fundamental, structural problem: oil demand has run ahead of our apparent capacity for production. Image 1, below, shows that total world oil reserves have declined significantly over the last two years (an exception being the U.S. strategic reserve, but that too may soon be tapped), which can only mean that the world is using oil faster than it's being pumped.

It's difficult to overstate how economically dangerous this is, since, see image 2 below, oil price spikes have preceded all recessions since 1970. Environment aside, this is why we need to bring more renewables online, to lessen our ridiculous economic vulnerability to oil prices. Referring to his chart (image 1) below, economist Gregor Macdonald writes: "[f]rom the latest IEA Paris Oil Market Report, you can see that starting in mid-year, total OECD inventories started a new decline. Moreover, the histograms in the below chart also show the difference to the five year average, which also illustrates the global stocks drawdown. This coincided by the way with a resurgent, mid-year advance in the price of oil from a low of $69 to $92 by [2010] year end."

Image 1: decreasing oil reserves since 2009 (Source: economist Gregor Macdonald from his blog gregor.us)

Macdonald concludes, "unable to meaningfully increase global oil production to meet demand, the world ate through inventories. You have been warned."

Again, the drawdown in inventories and evidence of peak oil is alarming because spikes in oil prices crush economies. We've written about this many times, but this chart (image 2), compiled by Stuart Staniford, says it all: "Since 1970, every single recession has been preceded by a runup in energy prices."

Image 2: price of oil relative to recession onset (Source: scientist Stuart Staniford from his blog http://earlywarn.blogspot.com)

Oil is expensive to the point that it is threatening the economic recovery, and due to demand exceeding supply, its price will most likely continue to increase, except, maybe, during oil-caused recessions. 

Meanwhile, on the electricity side, solar is quietly becoming competitive with average grid price (especially in sunnier climates) and is rapidly getting cheaper still. "Price per watt of solar modules (not counting installation) [have] drop[ed] from $22 dollars in 1980 down to under $3 today," according to Ramez Naam, in a great piece for Scientific American. And, as this trend continues, "in 2030, solar electricity is likely to cost half what coal electricity does today."

I personally believe that solar's scale is increasing rapidly enough that Naam’s 2030 prediction will occur much sooner, by 2020 or so (the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers says "within 10 years"), but whenever it happens, as solar comes into its full potential, it will become so cheap and plentiful that any type of fossil fuel will seem foolishly expensive by comparison, at least where electricity is the energy of choice.

Image 3: Historic and forecast price of solar electricity vs. US grid price averages (source: Ramez Naam in his blog for Scientific American)

But behind these macroeconomic realities, Wall Street's consensus opinion of solar stocks looms large. And, so far this year, the consensus has beenextremely negative. Does Wall Street to some degree answer to the huge buckets of money represented by Big Oil? Yes. Is there therefore some effort underway to delay the inevitable solar powered future? Possibly, but suffice it to say that Wall Street at least has enabled a culture that, against all economic and climactic evidence, loves fossil fuels and still views renewables as “alternative.” (Anecdotal but interesting on this point, on May 4, 2011 CNBC reported on-air that Arizona's First Solar, Inc. (a Green Alpha holding) missed their first quarter earnings, when in fact the company's earnings had beat expectations by 15%; the stock plunged 10%.)

Meanwhile, other folks are beginning to embrace the Next Economy. Smart oil money in Saudi Arabia is converting itself to massive amounts of exportable solar. "Converting" as in Saudi Arabia is hoping to develop the same quantity of solar electricity exports that it now enjoys via oil exports. As I discussed in my previous post, "Saudi Arabia exports about 2.7 billion barrels of oil per year, each containing the equivalent of 1,700 Kilowatt hours (kWh) of electricity for a total of 4.59 × 1012 kWh [or 49,500 GWh] per year, or the equal of about one quarter or the world's annual electricity demand."

Using a standard PV average of 30 square kilometers per gigawatt hour (GWh) year, this means the Saudis would need 1.377 million km2 of solar panels to achieve their goal solely with PV. This is well over half the country’s total size of 2.218 km2! Now of course this is an extreme goal that the Saudis are unlikely to reach, and their efforts will no doubt also include concentrated solar thermal, but even a small fraction of this goal would provide every solar manufacturer on earth with years of order backlog. It’s worth noting that the Saudis are likely pursuing this policy to replace lost revenues as they deplete their oil reserves (and they’re using foreign petro dollars to do it). 

Elsewhere in the world, China has recently doubled down on its goal of 5 GW of installed solar capacity by 2015 to a new 10 GW goal. In Germany, they’rehalting their solar subsidies repeal in order to meet their plan of replacing nuclear power with renewables (the end of German/European solar subsidies has been one of the short sellers’ chief arguments. Italy has just voted to scrapnew nuclear plans as well, so they may also feel the need to keep their solar incentives; more broadly, the twilight of nuclear in general may have arrived).

In Japan, a “proposed feed-in tariff would create guaranteed demand for all of the output from renewable energy projects” and companies are planning projects accordingly. Adding up the world’s PV solar plans in his “Plan B” review, Lester Brown reckons that “cumulative PV installations could reach 1.5 million megawatts (1,500 gigawatts) in 2020,” and goes on to say that “[a]lthough this estimate may seem overly ambitious, it could in fact be conservative, because if most of the 1.5 billion people who lack electricity today get it by 2020, it will likely be because they have installed home solar systems.” (Brown’s estimate could indeed be conservative; he was writing before the Saudis’ announcement).

Viewed simply in terms of potential growth as a slice of the world energy market, solar again appears set for massive growth. The Economist reportedthis week that as of 2010 "non-hydro renewables still check in at only 1.3% of global energy consumption." Since many local, regional and even a few national governments have set mid-term goals of 20% or more from renewables, it seems likely that solutions such as solar and wind have potential to grow 10 fold or more on policy basis alone.

You get the point by now. Aggregate solar power demand in the global economy is huge and growing.  Any way you slice it, the solar industry is currently very undervalued by analysts and traders, even though overdependence on oil is threatening to return us to recession.

So, how do we judge Wall Street's treatment of solar stocks? Irrational? Obviously. Dangerous? Only if you fear for the economy. 

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william payne
william payne
June 30, 2011
This link is about making money from energy investors.

http://www.prosefights.org/pnmrate/firstsolar/110630_003.mp3

Not good, we think.
william payne
william payne
June 30, 2011
MorganStandley/SmithBarney audio recorded Thursday June 30, 2011 discusses short selling mechanics, insider trading and FIRST SOLAR.

http://www.prosefights.org/pnmrate/firstsolar/110630_001.mp3

Randall IS NOT the Morgan/Stanley VP who told me that large-scale solar generation of electricity is a fraud.

First Solar has not acknowledged receipt of email questions as yet
Jim Warden
Jim Warden
June 30, 2011
GreenGas.cc is 50 cents a liter and zero emissions. US DOE predicts 90% of vehicles sold in 2050 will still be internal combustion. Scientific American says peak 2014. What fuel are you going to use? Unless GreenNH3 gets some investment we are screwed.
william payne
william payne
June 29, 2011
"Billp - you're of by nearly orders of magnitude."

Again, not me.

This is me.

Wednesday June 29, 2011 11:19

http://www.prosefights.org/pnmrate/pnmrate.htm#shannauer


ashley.shannauer@state.nm.us

Hello Ms Shannauer,

Movant and lawyer Mr McCoy suggested

I think probably a motion with the hearing officer for discovery is necessary unless a schedule has already been set. Send an email to whoever is the HO and ask if there is discovery ongoing or if it will be scheduled. Otherwise they will probably try to dodge the questions as proprietary or something.

1 Is discovery ongoing in Case No. 11-00123-UT?

2 If discovery is not yet scheduled, is discovery planned?

3 If discovery is planned, then when will it be scheduled?

If discovery is ongoing, then we ask that we be provided all discovery documents either by mail or email.

We started discovery.

Tuesday June 28, 2011 10:47

http://www.prosefights.org/pnmrate/pnmrate.htm#first1


and will copy those who are on email distribution.

I am guessing at your email address so please send an ack so that I will know you received this.

Previous email to do did not 'bounce' but you did not acknowledge receipt of it.

Thanks in advance.

bill
william payne
william payne
June 29, 2011
GeraldR. Not me. I made no statements.

Maybe Fast Neutron is off.

Here's a link to my measurements made on 5 watt Harbor Freight solar panel.

http://www.prosefights.org/scriptpollute/area/area.htm

Purpose was to check Fast Neutron's statement about solar.

And to evaluate solar proposal I received.

http://home.comcast.net/~bpayne37/solar/loslunassolar/loslunassolar.htm
Gerry Wootton
Gerry Wootton
June 29, 2011
Billp - you're of by nearly orders of magnitude. Plate solar can easily produce 140 W per square meter at '1 sun' with high end modules at something like 170 W. When mounted on trackers, extra space is needed to minimize shading early and late in the day (typically, retrograde motion is used near the ends of the day to keep this spacing from getting overly large). But note, the '1 sun' (1 kW/m^2) that is used to rate module capacity is a somewhat arbitrary standard based on an estimate of mid latitude, mid-year, sea-level, average atmospheric condition. Actual irradiation is higher near the equator, in very dry climates, with low air pollution, time of year (and hemisphere) and/or at high altitude. The maximum potential (top of atmosphere) is 40% higher. Similarly, PTC is an arbitrary condition. Module efficiency also depends on ambient temperature and windspeed.
Your wind farm number is off although wind farms are harder to measure as they need large set-backs for sound abatement so one question is whether the buffer zone (possibly a corn field) is included in the land use calculation or not. Obviously, larger wind farms are more effective in that respect based on perimeter to area ratio. Still harder to calculate is the land use of off-shore wind farms. Based on some data, wind farms have approximately 10 times the energy density in kWh/Y/hectare that hydroelectric projects although that is a somewhat slanted view as many hydroelectric projects are multifunction - not solely dedicated to power generation.
A farmer in my area has several 9.6 kW arrays on trackers. The concrete bases occupy ~6 m^2; goats occupy the surrounding space. That would be 1600 kW per m^2 of land use.
william payne
william payne
June 29, 2011
Post '(you don't need to know the size of the shingles). ' may be profound for this reason?

fast neutron
Santa Fe, NM
January 12, 2009

From actual experience, wind farms produce 1.2 watts per square meter. Solar Thermal and Photovoltaic methods capture 5 to 6 watts per square meter. There is no economy of size in either technology. Dividing the watts you need by those values gives the land area in square meters needed to produce the juice. The numbers are astronomical

http://www.topix.net/forum/source/santa-fe-new-mexican/T0QVJ5UD3R25C8HRL
Sam Harriman
Sam Harriman
June 28, 2011
righton GeraldR,

Thanks for the clarification anonymous,
I only mentioned that about First Solar because an earlier comment (asking simple questions about module specifications) prompted me to look for a spec sheet on their website. And, i was surprised to see how much they market their company as an investment, rather than the products they make to the people that buy and use them.
Don't get me wrong, amorphous cell are clearly the future of pv technology. As a residential/small commercial installer, i'm simply less likely to invest in their company by buying their product.
Gerry Wootton
Gerry Wootton
June 28, 2011
It's interesting that investors shy away from propositions that take effort to understand while flocking to derivatives that no-one understands. There are investments that are complex and/or volatile where risk is magnified out of proportion and other investments that are so obscure that risk is imperceptible. Maybe after the third incarnation of asset-backed paper going down in flames, things will change.
ANONYMOUS
June 28, 2011
Sam, First Solar has a somewhat different proposition than most other solar companies: to paraphrase, they sell 'energy not watts'. I suppose that means they sell solar installations and not modules - kind of like how a roofer sells you a new roof, not shingles and flashing (you don't need to know the size of the shingles). I've never seen one of their contracts but, if they're selling energy not watts, they likely sign up to so many kWh per unit cost as opposed to cost per watt(peak) where your milage may vary and you have to collect the data and do the math to see what the business case is. This is a somewhat unique approach that even purveyors of traditional thermal and nuclear power plants shy away from.
Sam Harriman
Sam Harriman
June 28, 2011
Airlines are not good investments when fuel prices are volatile. (I'm frustrated explaining the concept of a finite resource to people. Either you get it or you don't [and when it runs out, no-one gets it])

First Solar is the only module manufacturer i've seen without readily available, downloadable, module spec sheets on their website. i probably wouldn't invest in them first either.

Then again, I'm not a stock analyst.
william payne
william payne
June 28, 2011
MorganStanley is reported to have lost $24.1 million investing in Albuquerque Eclipse aviation.

MS VP told me that large scale solar generation of electricity is a fraud. That statement, in part, cause us to investigate.

Tuesday June 28, 2011 10:47

http://www.prosefights.org/pnmrate/pnmrate.htm#first1

info@firstsolar.com

Hello First Solar,

Solar arrays seen in person at the PNM Reeves and Los Lunas, NM sites prompts enquiry in our role as intervenor movants in New Mexico PRC Case No. 11-00123-UT .

1 What are panel length, width and thicknesses in inches?

2 What is the weight?

3 What is the part number?

4 What is the retail price?

5 What is the open circuit voltage as a function of insolation?

6 What is current and voltage as a function of resistive loads and insolation?

7 Assuming the formulas

Heat Rate (Energy Efficiency)

Overall thermal performance or energy efficiency for a power plant for a period can be defined as

fhr = H / E (1)

where

fhr = heat rate (Btu/kW, kJ/kW)

H = heat supplied to the power plant for a period (Btu, kJ)

E = energy output from the power plant in the period (kWh)

are correct, what is the energy efficiency of First Solar panels used in PNM arrays as a function of insolation?

If First Solar feels that the above equations do not apply, then please explain.

Please ack if you receive this email.

Thanks in advance.

bill
Gerry Wootton
Gerry Wootton
June 28, 2011
Hey USA ... it's not all about you, although given your energy use, maybe it is. Lots of other places with less coal and natural gas have to find other things to burn into electricity. Come to think of it, Hawaii and Alaska may not be so independent of oil either.
I think you can compare oil to solar as electricity is the transmission fluid of the future. Actually, in many ships and all US railways, it has been for a long time.
Of course, the solar industry has been 'oversupplied' for years and years, and yet it continues to grow. Generally, cheaper means more market demand - it is very difficult for players who are constantly competing prices down to create persistent oversupply. This is a bogey man that at one time or another has been used to crush significant US industries (take rare earths as an example)- as the author implies, this is dangerous thinking. If anything,Chinese and, more recently, Korean investors choose to differ and will probably end up eating your lunch.
Robert Emery
Robert Emery
June 28, 2011
Solar, Wind and Geothermal Renewable Energy all produce Electricity. Oil is used predominantly as a transportation fuel and produces less than 1 percent of U.S. electricity. The scenario of Renewable Energy reducing dependence on foreign oil would be feasible if many of the United States' 250 million automobiles were electric. I tend to be skeptical when oil and solar are compared in the same article.

I am an Investor and not a Promoter and don't make decisions based on the present but look to the future and what has happened in the past. From my perspective I see falling prices due to innovation and looming over capacity from low cost producers such as China. Common sense and simple math will tell you that once RPS standards are met, the PV business will transition from installation to maintenance. In Spain roughly 90% closed their doors. Since business decisions involves an insight into the future and subject to Government policy changes, it will be interesting to see who takes the bath.
Gerry Wootton
Gerry Wootton
June 28, 2011
Saudi calcs are flawed. Assume oil exports are equivalent to 4.59 mega-GWh - not even a good equivalence as the efficiency of converting oil into energy is variable and generally poor. On average, Saudi gets ~6.1 kWh/m^2/day or 356 kWh/m^2/year. In order to harvest that effectively, you need trackers and trackers need a clear zone in order to prevent shadowing: at that latitude, reduce the aperture to ~50%. 1 square km might produce something like 30 GWh/y using good flat plate modules or 44 GWh/y with concentrators. 4.59 mega-GWh == <153,000 km^2 OR 7% of the land mass. Of course, such a project wouldn't happen overnight and efficiency of solar power will go up over time reducing the requirement. But, this represents a VALUE ADD for the Saudis as compared to oil: they wouldn't have to ship anything close to the energy equivalent of oil to earn the same revenue. Some have complained about distance to the customer - if one compares the required network to that deployed by Quebec Hydro, one can see that the required distance is very manageable.
Solar companies have peculiar and perhaps intimidating performance. They produce a product where input costs and manufacturing costs are plunging, selling prices are plunging yet revenues are increasing throughout the value stream. As one can expect, companies that are growing very rapidly are heavily leveraged - this is exacerbated by the reluctance of the market to invest in these companies leaving borrowing as the main way to fund growth.
One can also see from some of the comments that solar, being a new technology, has more than its share of Ludite detractors. Incentives are often called out - ignoring the fact that every part of the energy industry is incentivized, many areas much more than solar. Solar is sensitive to government policies, but then so is everything else. Germany is forcing nukes out of business,Ontario is canning coal, Obama is setting new fuel economy targets for vehicles to drive down demand for oil.
ANONYMOUS
June 28, 2011
What I got from the article was that the author doesn't understand why Solar stocks are valued so poorly when 1) they are performing well, and 2) oil supply is shaky, which should indicate a positive long-term outlook. Accepting those to be true would make one think that these stocks should be performing better on the market. I believe his thesis was that there seems to be a bias against these stocks on Wall Street.
ANONYMOUS
June 24, 2011
*Sigh* Really lorin-vant-hull-16482?,
Is it really appropriate to pick-apart the technical details of this article like that? I think we all know the author's thesis is correct. (Granted he could have used some more technically inclined copy editors)
But we're talkin' cave man time here. Splitting hairs is for engineers, and well-endowed pedants, not writers that broach one of the most salient and taboo topics of our time.
Lorin Vant-Hull
Lorin Vant-Hull
June 24, 2011
The entire article sounds great, but it could be believable if we thought the author could multiply, or maybe read his own article before posting it. I refer only to the few paragraphs copied below for easy reference.

2.7 Bbl x 1700 kWh/bl = 4.59x 10**12 kWh =4.59x10**6 GWh
How he got 49,500 GWh I don't know, off by a factor of 11/1000, or 0.011?????

1 square km of solar panels will 'see' 1000 million peak watts in a site like Saudi Arabia.
At 30% efficiency for 2500 hours/year (28% capacity factor) this produces 750 watt hours/sqm/peak watt/year, or 750 GWh/square kilometer/year. Then 30 sq km will produce 22,500 GWh. It may be fair to reduce this by a factor of 2 for cosine effects if the panels are laid flat in contact. However, it is still a very long ways from the 1.0 GWh the author Jabusch quotes.

He then proceeds to compare his ridiculous result with the land area of Saudi Arabia, which he quotes as 2.218 sq km, or about 0.8 square mile, 510 acres!!!!!!!!

And what other mistakes has he made?????????I didn't bother to look further!

copied from article.

"As I discussed in my previous post, "Saudi Arabia exports about 2.7 billion barrels of oil per year, each containing the equivalent of 1,700 Kilowatt hours (kWh) of electricity for a total of 4.59 × 10**12 kWh [or 49,500 GWh] per year, or the equal of about one quarter or the world's annual electricity demand."

"Using a standard PV average of 30 square kilometers per gigawatt hour (GWh) year, this means the Saudis would need 1.377 million km2 of solar panels to achieve their goal solely with PV. This is well over half the country's total size of 2.218 km2!"
Ken Higgs
Ken Higgs
June 24, 2011
Though the industry is experiencing positive sales growth as a whole, LDK has been unable to grow sales and is losing market share. This reverses the trend from the previous year when sales growth at LDK led the industry 120.50% to 21.89%, respectively.

Only 2010 was profitable.

Say what?
Ronald Barrett, Pres. EWEI
Ronald Barrett, Pres. EWEI
June 24, 2011
Anonymous, I could not agree with you more. Right on. I encourage all to just not vote in Federal elections. Voteing only encourages those politicos and they are owned by the big companies. I might add, so is our once independent Supreme Court.
Look at Uncle Monsanto-Thomas and his votes.

Let's form up and go to a Social Network systems:Wherein we can really "all" vote.

Well back to RE. In the end I do have faith that the people will vote with their pocket books and if we in RE do honest good work, present a not too greedy price point, and back up our products we will prevail. Anyway we are going to give it a hell of a go. I'd hate to think those thieves on Wall Street are right.
Ken Higgs
Ken Higgs
June 24, 2011
LDK is one of the most highly leveraged companies in the Semiconductors industry and has a Debt to Total Capital ratio of 68.32%. Additionally, the percentage of debt used in its capital structure grew this year.
ANONYMOUS
June 24, 2011
I don't expect the NYSE to last much longer in its current form. At some stage the bailouts will stop, and then it will just be a bunch of buzzards sitting on a pot of oil with everyone fighting and haggling over the last drops. With the exception of my IRA, i am completely out of the stock market. It's quite clear that my retirement will bear little resemblance to that of my parents...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezN3hEohz9w
Maria Hars
Maria Hars
June 24, 2011
GREED! You can bank on it. If it doesn't have a high ROI then they go elsewhere. People who are in the stock market for the long haul would be more inclined to invest in products & companies they believe in and that includes us.
ANONYMOUS
June 24, 2011
An interesting article. The dastardly, self-seeking criminals that infest Wall St. have no interest in supporting alternative energy or global warming. They are only interested in lining their own pockets during their short tenure on this earth, at the expense of the rest of the population. To them oil is still their ticket to riches.

There can be no peace in the USA until these people are removed and "dealt with." It's not going to happen because the mega-wealthy are all well connected and pay our politicians for services rendered. Like the Mafia, it's a self-perpetuating system.

The population needs to wake up. I wish we could see an almost 0% turnout at the next election. Perhaps then they will get the message. More likely, of course, there will be all the usual massive and expensive hype, lies, fake promises and a dumb electorate falling for it all over again. The politicians know all this of course and the winner will again be smirking all the way to the White House to oversee another 4 years of raping the country. RIP USA.
Ronald Barrett, Pres. EWEI
Ronald Barrett, Pres. EWEI
June 24, 2011
Anonymous, I may have missed the point, especially about investments, but it is erroneous to state, one needs 'Government subsidizing' customer's purchases. We have had folks drive in and try to buy prototypes!

We have done no advertising and keep quiet as we are deep in RD&T and IP-patent work.

Yet word & mouth brings people to our doors. A number of businesses have even offered to buy...yet unfinished systems. Gads!

We see absolutely no need for any type of government subsidy. That is a big-system-company mind set. Our Advanced Compound Systems(ACSs) are residential:"ON-THE-HOME:OFF-THE-GRID." ROI aimed at 5 to 10 years. MTBF design 10 years to 20(max).

Know any one else with ZERO-debt & money in the bank doing this? Bet they are a small company like us. This would never be so with a large company:They'd need a government subsidy!
Chuckle. That all equals more government debt! Yep you and I footing their bills.

Do I expect this all to change? Nope.

Ever see the red-tape of a DOE/EERE ARPA type agreement package? Talk about wasting your time. Better to stay focused, work hard, innovate and produce!
ANONYMOUS
June 24, 2011
Wind Solar, you completely miss my point. You wouldn't sell much product without Governments subsidizing your customer's purchase. My comment is not about the merits of clean energy technology or even clean energy companies. My comment is about investing. The financial landscape is littered with the corpses of what looked like good companies with great ideas. I sincerely hope clean energy supplants dirty energy sooner rather than later but hope is not an effective investment strategy. If supporters of clean energy invest with their head instead of their heart they just might actually have some money to put solar panels on their roof or a wind turbine in their yard.
Ronald Barrett, Pres. EWEI
Ronald Barrett, Pres. EWEI
June 24, 2011
As the Chief engineer of a start-up wind-turbine manufacturer in the USA I lead the RD&T effort of our company. Over the past two years we determined:Wind-RE is fine, but Solar-RE is even finer! The RD&T in RE is going on at a furious rate.

We ourselves have never had a penny of government assistance, nor do we need it. We have ZERO debt and have funds in the bank. We are 100% self financed. The market for Renewable Energy is doing great. We intend to go into mass production on our own, here in the USA:Thank you.

Remember Wall Street is populated by the elite East Coast Business MBAs who gave us the failed banking system and wrecked our economy. DUH! Aided and pimped by the Wall Street media frauds. Does any one expect these scientific and technically ignorant scammers to understand the Renewable Energy Enterprise and true hard working innovators.

I think NOT!

(Yeah for Solar!)
ANONYMOUS
June 24, 2011
Any investor that follows the rationale in this article will be broke in short order. I think it was Buffet who said, Stocks are measuring instruments in the long term and voting instruments in the short term. Any industry that relies heavily on Government subsidies to survive will not win a trader's popularity contest. Clee makes a great point, if a company is making money and is undervalued then it probably is a good LONG TERM buy and big short position is like rocket fuel once the buying picks up.
The author makes a rookie investor's mistake in that he confuses the stock with the company. They are not the same thing.
ANONYMOUS
June 23, 2011
Germany and China are producing and selling photovoltaic panels like there is no tomorrow. In Fact, China being the factory of the world hasn't been able to keep up with the demand.

The stock market as you know is made up of investors, who really only care about is a return of profit. Even if their lives depended upon clean energy, as it does in the long term, they wouldn't invest in it, because clean energy isn't going to be profitable when you realize solar energy is free, nobody can charge for the sunlight, just as the wind or wave energy. But if you control oil, a dirty energy, you can restrict the quantity and increase the demand, thus which has been going on for a long period of time.

Imagine a gravity machine that produces all the electrical energy for free, for the next millennium and then some. This SCARES the bankers, investors and Rothschilds of the world.

Clean energy means freedom, as nobody needs to buy dirty energy from them. Imagine every home selling back clean energy, then why would you need a dirty energy power station at all?

If in India, China or the U.S., each citizen was to share their surplus of clean energy, your talking about 2.8 billion times the amount of electrical energy generated here.

Then you would have an ascendency of clean sustainable energy. However, if you had a shortage of dirty energy, even if it was artificially driven, you could inflate the cost, insuring record history profits earned.

Even the farmers know this. No farmers wants to grow more food then what the market is willing to buy. Producing more food than what the market is wiling to by means less profit earned.

The solution is to reform the economy, so its NOT based upon the idea of protecting the wealthy, but rather to advance society as a whole.

It's why the wealthy created intellectual property restrictions, like patents, to keep their monopolies in power by holding back society.

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Before co-founding Green Alpha Advisors, Garvin was the Director of Forward Sustainable Investments, a business unit of Forward Management, LLC. There his duties included supervision of and responsibility for all aspects of the management...
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