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If Renewable Costs Are Down, Why the Financial Uncertainty?

Meg Cichon, Associate Editor, RenewableEnergyWorld.com
June 30, 2011  |  28 Comments

Over the past few years, renewable costs have been on the decline, particularly solar and wind. According to industry experts, we are getting closer and closer to grid parity. So why is there still such financial uncertainty? This was a prevalent question at the 2011 Renewable Energy Finance Forum (REFF) co-hosted by the American Council on Renewable Energy (ACORE) and Euromoney Energy Events in New York City.

Though there is financial investment uncertainty, one thing is certain: costs for solar and wind have dropped dramatically. “In the past three years, wind costs have dropped 40 percent, due to bigger and better blades, etc. Call it grid parity or what you will, it's happening folks and it's exciting,” said Kevin Walsh, Managing Director at GE Energy Financial Services. And according to Yunquan Sun of ENN Group North America, CSP is expected to drop 40 percent over the next two to three years, while solar PV prices are already low, and expected to drop below $0.10 per kWh in the near future.

So, if prices have dropped significantly, what is holding back a flood of renewable energy investment?

Market Uncertainty

Over the past year, there have been many factors that led to initial renewable enthusiasm such as the gulf spill, nuclear crisis and oil prices. But according to Kevin Genieser of Morgan Stanley, there are still a lot of overhangs in the market. “Once again, we haven't seen a real focus on policy. Most notably, UK uncertainty about solar caused a lot of turbulence in the market. There are many real challenges that have caused investors to lose money that they put into these projects originally,” he said. This has unfortunately caused an overall mixed receptivity for the market.

Ray Wood, Co-head of Global Alternative Energy at Credit Suisse agreed, “initial enthusiasm gave way to pessimism about near term direction of panel prices.” There has also been a bifurcation in the wind industry. Manufacturers see an ongoing reduction in prices and a need to improve efficiency, but these price reductions hurt their profitability. Meanwhile, developers capitalize on these lower prices to get better penetration and returns on invested capital. “This makes it very hard from a financial planning perspective – it's more dramatic from a utility-scale side,” Wood said. 

This market uncertainty has had a major impact on the stock market. Garvin Jabusch of Green Alpha Advisors, LLC explained how damaging this uncertainty can be in his article, “Wall Street's Irrational, Dangerous Hatred of Solar Stocks.” Amy Smith, Managing Director and Co-head of Global Cleantech Investment Banking at Jeffries & Co., agrees with many of Jabusch's statements. She explained that the vast majority of stocks are in the solar space and people use solar to define what is going on in the clean tech space overall. Currently, she said, subsidies are driving growth, but the question is whether there is sufficient demand and at what price.

Smith expressed frustration with the current state of the market, “one of the reasons people are naysayers around solar is that they think it's too expensive. When fully installed system costs have now been cut almost by a third, now they don't like the stocks. Which is somewhat ironic," she said.

She offered some cautious optimism for the market going forward but believes the volitility will remain for a while longer. "We'll see where prices settle. Prices are going down, everything is going in the right trajectory and people still aren't happy. But we'll get there.”

Turbulent Tax Credit Environment

Many financial institutions are also concerned about whether tax credits will be extended, particularly the 1603 grant qualifying period. The grant played a huge role in ensuring liquidity for developers in both wind and solar, said Arno Harris, CEO of Recurrent Energy. "During the global financial crisis in 2008 and 2009, if we hadn't had the grant program, I probably wouldnt be here talking to you today. That grant is what enabled companies to continue to put projects in the ground," he said.

This uncertainty leaves big investors out of the game – many will not push past their comfort zones. “We need [tax credits] to settle down and have something more predictable. These are complex multi-year transactions and it doesn't help to have annual subsidy programs changing underneath us every year,” said Brad Nordholm, CEO of Starwood Energy Group. But there are other ways to drive capital into the market, as evidenced by Google and other investors. There is also more money coming in from Asian and European banks who want to own pieces of capital structure for solar projects, “this doesn't solve the tax credit problem, though,” said Nordholm.

Harris explained that we cannot keep depending on tax credits alone, but we need them in the interim as a crutch to move forward. “We are nowhere near the amount of tax equity needed to maintain solar's momentum. If we don't bring tax equity back...the industry is going to run out of gas really fast,” he said.

Developer Reliability

Many investors are weary of inexperience or under-prepared developers. Brian Steele of PG&E explained that key investment concerns include poorly designed projects. He also emphasized the need for a strong developer balance sheet. “Companies need to prove that they have accurate, detailed balance sheets and prove that they can be successful, which is what SunRun and SolarCity did,” he said. Developers need to convince the market that they are getting more for less operating costs.

Steele closed his address with a heavy statement:

We could solve grid parity right now. If we brought down the cost of financing by 250 basis points we are at grid parity in many of the major markets. And it's not unreasonable to think about when you actually start getting to risk adjusted returns on some of these deals that the market can move that way when we have more efficient structures and different parties coming to the table.

There is hope for renewables to succeed in the market but all parties need to work together to solve this financial crisis. As Arno Harris stated at the close of his address, "we need crisis to spur action and I hope this crisis is what will do it.”

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william payne
william payne
August 4, 2011
Sundance calibrated solar cell results.

http://www.prosefights.org/pease/sundance.htm

'Believe nothing you hear or read and only half of what you see.'
Mary Saunders
Mary Saunders
July 26, 2011
We shall see if Tata of India can test and scale this up quickly.

http://www.freeenergytimes.com/2011/03/28/mit-chemist-daniel-nocera-announces-artificial-leaf-goal-to-make-every-home-a-power-station/

I don't understand why they don't combine the elements into a storable sugar, as actual leaves do, but whatever, if they can keep the gases separates until they decide to put them together, fine.

I just hope they get to scaling this, with all due haste.
william cormeny
william cormeny
July 26, 2011
Petroleum sources have proven unreliable except for Canada which is now investigating the long term harm done to their Alberta environment.
The supply problems cause spikes in prices,so it is a very risky proposition to think investment in oil does not carry dangers.
The new needy nations remain located in Africa,Asia,and South America.
The cost of petroleum has created such trade imbalances they must dilute their currency to pay off the debts. This problem causes hardships,but also offers an opportunity to those who can provide renewable resources like wind,tidal,or solar power.
william payne
william payne
July 25, 2011
http://www.prosefights.org/pease/pease.htm#davis

Hello Mr Davis,

...

Publication of altenergy schemes in msm technical arouse suspicion that some of these articles might ploys to attract investor money.

Some of the schemes might not work for the reason that they may violate the second law of thermodynamics? Or have a negative EROEI?

Public Service Company of New Mexico [PNM] foil asserted that Heat Rate is inapplicable to solar and wind generation of electricity.


...
william cormeny
william cormeny
July 25, 2011
Police Departments dislike releasing crime statistics when the numbers of crimes are dropping.It means they are overstaffed.
Educators hate statistics which demonstrate students are learning more and graduating more frequently than before.The same rule of overstaffed schools applies.Universities have several studies which point to severe shortages of graduate level students.
I just read where Bonneville did not want wind power since it might cause a surplus of power.Bonneville sells its power to the grid which often needs power because shortages occur and the growth of electrical technology increases and will increase even more if electric vehicles and buses become popular.
Costco is employing solar panels and many other major retail outlets are doing the same. Better glass is being employed,appliances are far more efficient.Pollution is dropping in many parts of the world.
But, the wind and solar companies always need more capital,and fear the most the possible inroads being made by nuclear,hydro,and tidal powered alternatives.
Mary Saunders
Mary Saunders
July 25, 2011
Geoffrey. The Gates gift of millions of dollars to Monsanto's Research Foundation is not a gift to Africa.

Monsanto wants to control the world's seeds, and and the Gates Foundation contributed to that effort.

The Gates are also tied in to oil and pharmaceuticals.

Photo ops about giving people shots are for audiences at home.

Independent researchers have data showing that small farms serve populations better, without killing the soil and without feminizing male fish in the rivers where runoff goes.

Here is a link. When the results from peer-reviewed independent research did not go their way, the chemical companies withdrew and put their connections into gear with anonymous essays.

http://independentsciencenews.org/environment/science-media-failed-the-iaastd/

The harm from this is difficult to calculate. If you know how to look, the data is out there. The Obamas have an organic garden at the White House. They are interested in their own health.

Nonetheless, Obama appointed Monsanto's revolving-door people to positions of power in the agencies which are supposed to regulate food safety.

The broken U.S. illness-maintenance system pays for the externalities and collateral damage that is epidemic in the U.S.

Independent scientists are finding more evidence of harm. One of the genes spliced into staple seeds confounds pests by interfering with digestive processes. We now have increasing serious food allergies and digestive diseases.

Endocrine disruptors are increasingly banned in countries with better access to good data, and direct action is happening against GM seeds.

The billionaires are putting their attention to establishing empires offshore.

If it is real science, an author can be found and who can answer questions about process.

The ailment Steve Jobs has may be related to environmental toxins. Not supporting bad science is a good thing.
Geoffrey Gunning
Geoffrey Gunning
July 25, 2011
walter-daniels-40371: Sorry, I have to disagree. Bill/Melinda Gates and Warren Buffet have given $ billions to aid Africa. Where is the profit in that, to them? If you were really cynical, you might say he's hoping to help them live long enough to buy Microsoft products, but somehow I doubt that is the motive. Have you heard of philanthropy? On the basis of the old saying 'charity begins at home,' I see no reason why these home-grown multi-billionaires should not do something for their own country. Steve Jobs is another. I quote: 'Apple is now the world's second largest company and is boasting a positively mind boggling $76 billion in cash, one of the largest hoards in history.' Jobs, a man who may not have that long to live, is sitting on $76 billion, and there he is in the heart of Silicon Valley. Maybe he just hates America and feels no obligation to the people who got him to where he is now.
Walter Daniels
Walter Daniels
July 25, 2011
Let me introduce a little reality into the discussion. You say you don't want "greedy" profit-making companies to "control" energy. Without that profit motive, there are no jobs, no investment of any kind. If you complain about lowinterest rates on savings, then you can't complain about "greedy profit seekers," because you are one.
If I, or anyone else, put up money for a business, it is to get a return. State & Federal law, requires the company to consider my interests, before any other. They can't and won't invest in anything, without knowing what the profit is. Not just the profit for today, but next year and next decade. It's the same as you counting on what you will make during the same time period. Would you stay in a job, where you couldn't count on what you will make, from one year to the next?
People will buy "RE," when it's seen the same as the grid. Just as reliable, equally, or less expensive, and just as easy to get.
william payne
william payne
July 11, 2011
Monday July 11, 2011 07:31

bruce@afitplanet.com

http://www.prosefights.org/durango/durango.htm#afitplanet

Hello Mr Rayner,

Five technologies to watch prompts me to request your comments on Motion for Leave to Intervene in Case No. 11-00123-UT
http://www.prosefights.org/pnmrate/pnmrate.htm#motion3

Please ack if you receive this email.

Regards,

bill

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nicholas.mokhoff@ubm.com
dylan.mcgrath@ubm.com
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jontitus@comcast.net

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william payne
william payne
July 7, 2011
From: "Greg Nelson" To: bpayne37@comcast.net
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 5:34:21 PM
Subject: RE: heat rate for csp? geothermal heat rate

Don't know.

From: bpayne37@comcast.net [mailto:bpayne37@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 5:33 PM
To: Nelson, Greg
Cc: scholle1@gmail.com; gretchen@gis.nmt.edu; fmcurrie@cai-engr.com; CAI Info; Shirley A. Lancaster; shumard@epri.com; askepri@epri.com; clperry@epri.com; clibby@epri.com; zalan8587@q.com; ron chesser; homan@nmgco.com; steve casey; dru jones; sheila.shaffer@state.nm.us

Subject: Re: heat rate for csp? geothermal heat rate

Hello Greg,

Thanks for response.

You wrote, 'Heat rate is the amount of Btu's of fossil fuel burned to generate kWh's of electricity. Since CSPs don't typically burn any fossil fuel (unless they have supplemental firing), the term heat rate does not apply to CSPs.'

Then why does Geothermal have a Heat Rate of 29,050 BTU/kWh?

regards,

bill


http://www.prosefights.org/unmineable/unmineable.htm#scholle


Legal fight!

http://www.prosefights.org/pnmrate/pnmrate.htm#motion3o
william cormeny
william cormeny
July 5, 2011
We had a solar project for our county.
Environmentalists protested and will send it to court,delaying the construction after approval by local authorities.
Checks and balances work effectively in the Federal System and certainly work within state and local governments.
But, few if any state governments are willing to step forward,join their neighbors and begin a solar program similar to the Bonneville or TVA. If the benefits were shared and job creation shared,more solar and wind projects would be possible.
william cormeny
william cormeny
July 5, 2011
First of all the utilities already have a functioning grid suitable for urban areas and suburbs.
Secondly, the discovery of new technology in natural gas brought competition to the Powder River Coal reserves.
Third, the railroads have little or no interest in helping the renewable innovations since they are totally dependent on coal,and have leases for gas pipelines(see Warren Buffett).
Lastly,renewables will work if you create demand with long term contracts with either large corporations or municipal governments.
Donald Wagner
Donald Wagner
July 5, 2011
A lot of it is the unstable government position on RE.
Politically I am very pessimistic at least for national politics. If congress can't even agree on reducing subsidies for corporate jets and dirty energy (which is already showing very high profits), and refuses to charge for the true cost of energy (health, pollution, environmental damage etc.). Any bill that mentions capping carbon is DOA. For global warming the US "response" has been appalling. I don't see them doing anything substantial. If we are counting on the government, in ten years the US will be lucky to get a 4% market share, with the bulk going to China followed by Germany, and I sure another country will also pass us (Japan, Spain, Saudi Arabia?). Multiple state governments are doing a much better job (California is a good example).
Technologically, I am very optimistic. Within the last year solar record have been set in eight of eighteen categories (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ed/PVeff%28rev110408U%29.jpg) . If you took out Crystalline Silicon, then there would be record in eight of 14 categories, including most efficient solar cell (43.5% By Solar Junction) and most efficient single junction solar cell (27.6% by Alta Devices). I think other technologies on the horizon will push system efficiencies up like Sol Solution's Rainbow Concentrator.
Bob Rogers
Bob Rogers
July 5, 2011
Uncertainty for RE rises when costs fall because legitimizing RE use exposes the myth that our current lifestyles are sustainable.

A dollar invested to drill for oil in Saudi Arabia or Iraq generates about $20 to $30 in value per month. The same dollar invested to access US oil produces perhaps $2 of value per month, since "easy" reserves are gone. A dollar invested in wind or solar now produces between a quarter cent and 2 cents of value per month. Obviously, every economy around the world is a reflection of these values.

The hundred million plus years invested in fossil fuels highly leverages everything we do today. Our lifestyles are based on $2 to $30 returns on a dollar but our ideas erroneously equate that to lifestyles that may soon have to rely on a quarter cent to 2 cent return. Even a 2 cent return would triple most of what we do with RE today but that still collapses a lifestyle that now quickly melts snow off of roofs in winter and chills people indoors in Miami during the summer.

The only thing that will really move RE development is high prices; really high prices! When we can no longer afford to melt snow off of roofs or overcool buildings, then we will take RE seriously. This decade will probably see $8 per gallon oil but the pain of paying that will probably be dwarfed by the pain of truly making our lifestyles more sustainable.
Mary Saunders
Mary Saunders
July 5, 2011
Meanwhile, according to a Systems-Thinking thread on Linked In, Las Vegas is worried about its business down.

Las Vegas could appeal to a whole different market by making itself a showcase of new-thinking, interactive renewable things.

In Portland, a friend who got a permit to trim a big oak branch threatening her house, told her neighbor (with the tree) as a courtesy.

The neighbor went into a hissy fit, called a city commissioner, and made cutting the branch an impossible hassle, so my friend gave up.

There are some places where cutting a tree is a major, non-happening kind of thing.

Then, there is Wangari Maathai, of Kenya, who got tortured for planing trees, until they gave her some major international prize, I think it was the Nobel.

There is always pushback.

I'm looking for some odd allies of that in the near future. Las Vegas has to have palm trees, for example. I do not think we are coming upon no-trees any time soon.
Rich Hessler
Rich Hessler
July 5, 2011
fireofenergy,

I agree, but I can't reconcile a scenario whereby we don't cut down the last tree.

Humans could have a right to food, shelter, clothing, water & energy without sales tax and corporate profits. Where do you draw the line?

Without food and water, or the money to buy it, we're extinct in 4 days thus eliminating the consumers that drive profits.

I drive by homes with no basements and garage doors open to see piles of unsubsidized, hoarded crap and think about the hours worked, poor family relationships, money wasted, natural resources wasted, wars fought and 3rd world countries exploited.

I attended the local 4th of July parade predominately made up of politicians, thousands of dollars spent for military/police fly-bys and military heros riding in non-hybrid, diesel guzzling vessels of policy projection. Somehow clapping in front of my daughter felt like endorsement of the status quo and not supportive of personal liberty.

I thought to myself, in a city that promotes itself as green, for $1,000 why aren't there any solar contractor floats? Rainbow garbage disposal was the only 'green' float I saw. (Flowers, grass, picnic tables, food, sunshine and trash receptacles.)

The count of solar deals closed this year to date over last year may be down 10-15%. We're losing to ignorance and complacency from the commercials on the evening news & CNN telling us corporations are on top of it from an industry association called Clean Coal to promote coal mining, Exxon tar sands oil extraction being no worse than other oil extraction methods, jobs from cheap natural gas from fracking that is polluting our well water so we have to buy & transport bottled water, and drugs that give you hardons & cause diarrhea.

- Optimistically resolved to promote personal independence with solar energy. www.betterthanretirement.com Consumer education. www.freesolarwebinar.org And local solar contractor business development. www.pvsolarsalestraining.com
william cormeny
william cormeny
July 5, 2011
Natural gas prices drive the renewable market,and new technology has opened the door for enormous supplies.
In addition many hydro projects around Canada have led to an abundance of power flowing into the US.
Much for research needs to be placed in offshore projects which avoid the protests regarding environmental impact.Solar and wind give opponents large targets which are exploited by the railroads and coal companies.
Peter Lynch
Peter Lynch
July 5, 2011
Why is there financial uncertainty in the solar market ?

1. Solar costs are still not low enough

2. Government subsidies are totally unpredictable. Therefore most if not all rational investors will simply invest in other areas that have more stable and predicable returns. Solar subsidies are uncertain and always time limited - fossil fuel subsidies are permanent parts of the tax code.

Solar related stocks have reflected this and they have been the worst performing sector in the market for the last 18 months...
Gary Richardson
Gary Richardson
July 5, 2011
More robotics may allow the freedom to pursue more religion, arts, humanities and sciences. Especially criminal science/social services.
Gary Richardson
Gary Richardson
July 3, 2011
Sustainable energy needs to be balanced with Sustainable employment.
Mary Saunders
Mary Saunders
July 3, 2011
Philanthropic billionaire has a nice ring to it, but in practice, it's a contradiction in terms. If they were truly philanthropic, they would not invest in the -industrial axes of evil and take their gains from the hides of serfs.

Nope, ordinary Davids are going to have to fight The Nature Conservancy and the other wolves in sheepskins, as difficult as it is to fight that second golden rule.

David and the motley crews have got to get to it with baling wire and duct tape and invent stuff that can heat real people when they cannot pay the utility barons.

Then again, it's time to go around again with local currencies. Search for the Australian school where the kids designed booyas to be conterfeit-resistant.

Then find the on-line video of the WIR bank in Switzerland, now having a resurgence for honest small- and medium-sized business-to-business trade.

There are hopeful work-arounds to counter the poor effects from the axes of evil.
Gary Richardson
Gary Richardson
July 3, 2011
Perhaps Brown energy companies can be given a tax break when their employee retirement investments contribute exclusively to new green energy resources. The bigger the investment, the bigger the tax cut. Also this can apply to Health care retirement investments into clean energy, physical fitness and nutrition.
Roger Moore
Roger Moore
July 3, 2011
Geoffry, you point out a big problem. Our country and most of the citizens are now so broke that we have sit around and hope that a philanthropic billionaire will want to take up the challenge.
Lawrence Carroll
Lawrence Carroll
July 2, 2011
The article points out some interesting ironies.

I see this a lot in other departments of life, especially politics. For example, while many democrats might be disappointed in Obama's (or Clinton's, or Carter's) refusal to say, close down the "School of Assassians" (Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation), or to initiate a dramatic reversal of our drug policy - to name just two issues, they fear Republicans so much they go along with it.

The same is true with energy production and the environment. While there is plenty to be excited about, the reality is that in the USA, most folks, even those who are well-off, are going to continue to be fence-sitters until the "whiplash of necessity" finally forces them to move. . . and that might still take decades to change.

Thus, while Obama may have pushed through tax credits and DOE grants for alternative energy (thus leveling a little bit the playing field with coal, oil, nuclear etc.), it makes little difference to those who are still stuck in old, antiquated ways of thinking.
Mary Saunders
Mary Saunders
July 1, 2011
Not just oil, but an interesting allied industry as well.

http://techrights.org/2010/04/26/monsanto-boosted-by-gates/
Mary Saunders
Mary Saunders
July 1, 2011
Last I checked, Bill Gates was/is heavily invested in oil.
Ron Peterson
Ron Peterson
July 1, 2011
Average investors need to have corporations to buy stock in at a reasonable cost. Since, electric utilities are the only option, there aren't any pure plays in alternative energy other than those making the equipment.
Geoffrey Gunning
Geoffrey Gunning
July 1, 2011
What we need is a Paul McCready (RIP) / Burt Rutan type character to take control of the solar field. Someone who sees through all the crap and nonsense spouted and comes up with elegant and low cost solutions. The person would need to be backed by a clear-thinking billionaire of the same mind, like Richard Branson - another man who does not take 'NO' for an answer. Above all, alternative energy needs to taken away from the US Government, Wall St. and the big oil companies who only want to control it for their own gain. Where are you Bill Gates, Donald Trump, Warren Buffet, Waltons and the like? Still stashing your cash under your pillows? You can't take it with you for God's sake. Do something for the country and for the world.

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