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Green Jobs Are Real: German and American Solar Industry Both Employ More People Than U.S. Steel Production

By Stephen Lacey, Climate Progress
June 17, 2011   |   9 Comments
People want to know: Are green jobs real? The answer is resoundingly "yes."

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9 Reader Comments
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June 21, 2011
Good stuff. Thanks so much for reporting.
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June 22, 2011
Until these 'green' jobs no longer have to rely on the 'green' industry receiving subsidies from either the tax payer or from rate payers, then this claim is hollow. The money spent on subsidies could otherwise generate real wealth.

Oil (and soon internationally traded gas) now costs ten times what it did in 2001 and internationally traded coal six times. Expensive fossil energy is diverting spending power away from productive activity and wealth creation to primary producers, causing job losses. But 'green bling', supported by taxes and rate payers is actually a neat way to rob the poor and give the rich that smug feeling of 'moral superiority'.

It is vital to get the costs of renewable energy down and that the hidden, very real costs of its intermittency are made more transparent, so that energy consumers of all social and financial classes can have more money to spend, invest or save. And that's what will create real sustainable wealth and jobs.

Continual calls for more subsidy is infantilising this 'green' industry. It generally has not realised this. Now it MUST grow up and 'wash its face' against its ever more costly fossil fuel competition. That should not be all that hard! Fossil energy costs will rise and rise. And, by the way, many pure shale gas plays are actually losing money.
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June 22, 2011
The best way to go for jobs is decentralized energy because the money works at the base of the economy where the most jobs are created, and studies show that community energy generation is the most cost-effective. Please post more info looking at community energy plants, such as aggregation, so that policy makers are encouraged in the best direction.
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June 22, 2011
It takes 100k people to supply less than 0.1% of our electricity? Scaling up to 100% would take 100m workers? That's almost our entire workforce dedicated solely to intermittent electrical production. Forget about food, shelter, clothing, transportation, healthcare, insurance, etc. Going solar means we get electricity and little else (maybe some gov't workers to handle the subsidies).

Seriously, this 'encouraging' data shows that solar has a serious problem. People get it backwards when they look at jobs. The key to a better standard of living is not finding ways to hire more people to provide less functionality. Heck, the government could end unemployment tomorrow by hiring 8 million people to dig holes all day and another 8 million to fill them in at night. We advance because we find ways to fill the same needs with less labor. Growing food for a thousand people once too 500 farmers, now it takes 5. We don't cry about the 495 lost farming jobs (well, usually), we celebrate our vastly higher standard of living because we freed up enough labor to provide better healthcare, more comfortable houses, jet travel, and yes, even build solar panels.

Call me when solar can provide 10% of our electricity using less than 0.1% of our workforce.
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June 22, 2011
I'm sure the day will come. i might be old and grey by then, but it'll happen. shoot me an email, it'll be interesting to reconnect about it down the line.
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June 22, 2011
doogydogworld - a good analogy, but once the panels are installed at one location, they will require little maintenance and no replacement for 25 years.

The corollary though is how much of this equipment is being manufactured in the US. Are we maintaining what is essentially a service industry by subsidizing the cost? What incentive do the contractors have to make the installation "plug-n-play" with pre-built, pre-certified disconnect panels, integrated panels w/ properly sized (perhaps oversized) microinverters, easy power and grounding wiring and connections, etc? I say very little, because the contractors are recieving their full invoiced amount. People talk about the sost of the panels dropping below $1/W, but the balance of the system and the installation costs remain high.
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June 22, 2011
Plindsey, it's true I didn't factor in the 25 year panel life. On the flip side, my sub-0.1% electricity production included panels installed many years ago, not just this year. The right way is to compare lifetime output of solar installed in 2010 vs. the 2010 labor force:

950 MW * 1400 hours/year * 25 years = 33 TWh

That's a little below 1% of 2010 electricity usage from a little below 0.1% of our labor force. Still way off the 10% of electricity from 0.1% of our labor that I say the industry needs to hit, but not as bad as my original message implied.
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June 22, 2011
@plindsey,
Yes, you are spot-on about the maintenance and replacement advantages of pv, the manufacturing and the service-oriented nature of our economy here in the USA. (candidly, i think it's an economy structured by the ruling class to make debt-slaves out of ever more pv system owners—and contractors alike!)

That is to say, i agree with your assessment. And recognize my above interpretation is my own...

That being said, I've got a few things to say as a contractor:
1. pv is an elegantly simple technology
2. electricity is a bargain at any price.
3. energy (particularly DC electrical energy) can cause severe damage or death to persons and property.
4. skilled tradespeople don't work for free
5. The Andalay system exists, and i know this because i am a trained professional with an established track-record.
6.... i could go on, but i won't.

I'm sorry; i recognize installation cost as a barrier to the $1/W holy grail, but equipment expense is a far more flexible metric.

If i was working on your pv installation, i'd invite you onto the roof and explain how it goes together (if my insurance policy allowed it), and genuinely enjoy sharing my professional understanding with you (despite the fact that time is money, and i've got work to do). I might explain to you the reasons why current technology limitations can make oversizing micro inverters a poor design choice.

Like i said, i apologize for the tone. Punditry gets me going... i might not be a nuclear physicist, but i've got at least as much justified professional pride as an auto mechanic—tradespeople i willingly pay when i'm not qualified to do something safely *and* efficiently.
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June 23, 2011
@doggydog

We can't say that too many people are engaged in the US solar industry until we know where all their product goes, confirm the numbers, consider what that electricity does, what we want it to do, etc.

But your point is key in principle, imo, and I'd like to see your sources for your stats linked for the careful look this point deserves.
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