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What High Gas Prices Mean for Renewable Energy

By Jennifer Kho, Contributor
May 31, 2011   |   22 Comments
While high energy prices in 2008 pushed investors towards renewables, the story is very different this time around.

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1 of 22
June 1, 2011
Hi:

Interesting...

But I would be careful on predicting the consumer.
They can be very much so a matter of fact...
...but they can also turn unexpectedly like a junk yard dog given the right combination of events...

.....Bill
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2 of 22
June 1, 2011
General Motors and Nissan is providing one million electric cars to Canada by the end of this year. General Motors has prevented the production of electric cars in America with that worthless piece of garbage they call the "Volt" and stopped the production of electric car batteries that can take you over 200 MPC by saying that Americans drive no more than 40 miles per day and Ford is forced to accommodate General Motors in their stupid scheme.

Telsa/Nissan has a battery that can take you up to 350 MPC and a supercharge station that can charge your battery in one hour or less...Canada is now placing those supercharge stations on every road in their country and giving one to everyone who buys an electric car so they can place in their garage of onto their home to charge their car.

Again, General Motors is stifling the production of Telsa/Nissan's battery and supercharge station with a bunch of political garbage about the America's electrical grid and Americans not driving more than 40 miles per day.

Stop General Motors from plunging America backwards into the fossil age and start mass producing electric cars in America and make them more affordable than ICE cars and we will be free once and forever from foreign fossil fuel, and we can do it before 2015
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3 of 22
June 1, 2011
This is a little bit contradictory of a lot of stories I have been reading. For one, there has been a movement towards more fuel efficient cars. GM's recent growth (though not in May) has been on the strength of the Chevy Cruze, and Ford has also achieved growth with sales of the Fiesta achieving surprising numbers. Not to mention that Americans continue to drive fewer miles than they did in the mid-00's, which is probably a better immediate indicator of the demand reflections based on price, since car purchases are on 5-7 year budgets and miles driven is a daily budget decision (though commuting alterations like carpooling, telecommuting, etc. might be on a monthly or bi-annual timeline).
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4 of 22
June 1, 2011
Maybe I misunderstood the point of the article, but for most of it she seems to be saying that there is no demand-response due to $4 gas. That either we are now accustomed to it or can't afford to make changes:

"In 2008, the last time gasoline approached $4 a gallon, the sticker shock prompted many drivers to trade in their gas-guzzlers – often at enormous losses – and buy more efficient cars and hybrids, he said... But this time around, analysts say, they're not seeing the same dramatic response from consumers and investors. Drivers aren't flocking to car dealerships to trade in their cars..." AND "The question remains: Why is this spike above $4-a-gallon gas bringing less change than the last one? Have drivers become more tolerant of higher prices now that $4 gas is nothing new?"

And I'm saying this isn't true, people are reacting at least as much as in 2008, and most people I've spoken too tend to acknowledge gas prices are going to remain high b/c of growing demand in other countries, whereas many viewed 2008 high prices as a blip. The article was fine, I just disagree with some of the phrasing.
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5 of 22
June 1, 2011
Don't forget that we had the Cash for Clunkers program, too, that provided financial incentives to get rid of gas guzzlers in favor of more efficient vehicles.

The analysis that people are uncertain and will keep cars longer if they can, and drive them less rings true with my experience and observations. In our household we have a 15 year old Mercury Sable station wagon (200,000 miles) and a 9 year old Ford Focus (80,000 miles) which both get about 30 mpg highway. We have no plans to add more strain to our savings than maintenance costs if we can help it.
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6 of 22
June 1, 2011
Also, with regard to the E85 price differential. If we had optimized flex fuel vehicles that could get same/similar mileage regardless of percentage of ethanol to gasoline, we'd have a market for advanced ethanols which, with a sufficient sized market, would mean advances in technologies to bring down prices and keep up fuel production and distribution efficiencies. See: http://advancedbiofuelsusa.info/advanced-biofuels-usa-publishes-paper-and-slide-presentation-on-truly-optimized-flex-fuel-vehicles-benefits-and-how-to-achieve-them Includes charts, graphs, illustrations.
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7 of 22
June 2, 2011
if you get 25 plus mpg, $4 gas is no problem.

Europeans pay $10~$12/gallon but their vehicles average 30mpg and they have steady funding for their transportation infrastructure. American taxpayers are currently subsidizing hummer gas guzzler addiction in tax subsidies, disaster response, defense spending and by not investing more in America's transportation infrastructure. End taxpayer subsidies for the billionaire oil industry, tax oil a percentage to pay for these expenses and you create more jobs and tax revenue than the oil industry.

Don't buy a gas guzzler and continue to fund OPEC and the oil industry. They make hundreds of billion in profits the more people use and waste oil. Be a true conservative and get 25~50mpg. Support America and respect the sacrifices of American troops who have died and suffered casualties in the Middle East.

I pity the fools who still buy gas guzzlers and fight against making America energy independent by using less oil. The more oil you burn, the more money you transfer to the Middle East.
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8 of 22
June 2, 2011
May 23, 2011 Congressional Report on Oil Speculation
http://democrats.oversight.house.gov/images/stories/FULLCOM/524%20oil%20products/COOGR%20Democratic%20Oil%20Report%2005-23-11.pdf

The report's chief conclusion is that, in order to make the most significant impact on lowering gas prices, the Committee's primary focus should be on countering the growing impact of excessive speculation, rather than pursuing the oil industry's priorities of increasing domestic drilling or repealing safety measures put in place after the devastating BP oil spill. Experts estimate that excessive oil speculation could be inflating prices by up to 30%, while increasing domestic drilling would impact prices by only about 1%, and then only after a decade or more. Addressing excessive speculation offers the single most significant opportunity to reduce the price of gas for American consumers.
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9 of 22
June 2, 2011
I find it amazing that man has survived and prospered for 1000's of years using renewable energy (sun, wind, water & wood) without fossil fuel. Modern man (post industrial revolution), however, is addicted and obsessed with black gold to get us from point A to B. We are on a self destructive path fueled by our greed.
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10 of 22
June 3, 2011
B99 @ Jay's Garage (SE Morrison & 7th): $3.789/gal ... Diesel @ Shell (NE Broadway & 33rd): $4.079/gal
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March 17 at 7:01pm · Unlike ·

... the above was a proud Facebook post from about the time the Libyan 'situation' was starting to get a lot of play in the main-stream news cycle.

Sequential B99 has been less expensive than PetroDiesel ever since. And yes, I do feel a touch of schadenfreude these days when i growl past that shell station in my cummins. And I look forward to the day I do it burning WVO. Watch for more selling from Wall Street. This is starting to get real.
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11 of 22
Anonymous
June 3, 2011
I find it odd, that the author didn't explore why the Obama administration hasn't moved to lift the $.50/gal tariff on the importation of Ethanol from Brazil; why the cellulosic ethanol technology hasn't taken off despite the efforts of Mascoma and others.

A less expensive blend could/might/should/would favor the purchase of ICE's that are multi-fueled and overcome the market place reluctance to plunge into electric cars and all their drawbacks.

Nor did she explore the many 'adjustments' people have made to their lifestyles...car pooling; alt. transportation; working at home and perhaps most importantly, a halt to expansion into the edges of suburbia and, in turn, a halt to the construction of new homes that require longer commutes.

Another crimped lifestyle is that of American teens who find their use of a car now limited. Groups of teens now pool gas money for recreational driving; and have escalated the consequences of these mobile 'parties' involving alcohol & drugs. We had one letter in a local paper whining about how the 'rights' of teens are being violated.

It also appears 'tweens, teens and young adults are taking to the streets on skateboards, scooters, bikes, and skates in ever larger numbers; resulting in more 'conflict' with pedestrians, runners, and cars. Should be a hot summer on America's streets!

Otherwise a nice, fairly thorough article.
...a local note. The FORD dealer finally gave up selling GEM electric cars, and, sure enough, someone opened a storefront selling a nearly identical vehicle. Two seater motorcycles and heavy duty electric bikes are being sold on Florida's flat barrier islands.....how many?...don't know, but this seems to be second generation adaptation to customer complaints.
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12 of 22
June 3, 2011
Excellent points!

This is without a doubt the best article, and comment string, I've ever read on this website. Bravo!
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13 of 22
June 3, 2011
I currently use about 400 gallons of gasoline per year at $4.00 per gallon my fuel costs are $1600. My insurance runs $1000 per year. Depreciation on my 2009 model is about $3000 per year.

If crude were to double in price, gasoline would go to $6.50 increasing my fuel costs $1000 per year which is unlikely to persuade me to get a new vehicle.
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14 of 22
June 3, 2011
Technology is rapidly changing. I represent a company that can produce biofuels at .50 cents per gal. The fuel can be solid waste or our propertiary field produced product. pellgl@gamil.com
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15 of 22
June 3, 2011
I live in a C. WI town of about 2500 pop. It has 5 petro stations and there is a new one going in. This would not be happening if significant change was in the wind.
I do wonder tho, if the new station will have provision for BEV charging.
Pundits say corn ethanol is a looser, but in WI it is pushed, even tho, as the article points out, it isn't cheap enuf to make the diff.
A decade ago, GM marketed the Swift as a Geo. It could get near 50mpg. GM considered it a mistake,(like the electric one they crushed). Lots of people looking for used Geo's now. But then, lots of buyers for new SUV's too. Go figger!
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16 of 22
June 3, 2011
JamesDavies, (June 1st), could you provide references to your assertions:
Telsa/Nissan has a battery that can take you up to 350 MPC and a supercharge station that can charge your battery in one hour or less...Canada is now placing those supercharge stations on every road in their country and giving one to everyone who buys an electric car so they can place in their garage of onto their home to charge their car.
I am particularly interested in the Canadian actions.
Thank you.
Roy
PS great article and good discussion/comments
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17 of 22
June 3, 2011
To Derek-Boyle, the latest 2010-11 figures for new car average fuel consumption sold in the UK is 42mpg(US) and there is a pretty reasonable range of cars that better 55mpg(US). Hence, for the US and the UK to make vast savings in gas use it is not necessarily a technological leap that is necessary but a consumer shift to existing products that are already cost competitive.

Unfortunately, in the UK and I suspect in the US, energy efficiency is still not high enough up the agenda for many people, fuel is still way too cheap despite all the moaning and groaning.

It is really important to buy the most reasonably efficient car as possible as your shiny new car today will still be around in 15-20 years time!
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18 of 22
Anonymous
June 3, 2011
What you are all forgetting is that the Average American buy's security and road dominance; not fuel economy. Women want a 'tank' they can confidently drive in traffic; men want a macho statement; In my part of New England there are a lot of Prius sales; but among liberal arts educated people. Mainstream America buys the SUV or pick up or a GEO.

Neighbor just treated herself to a new Volvo SUV...room for kids, groceries, great in traffic, blah, blah....

You have to understand the buying decision to realize that very few people are buying a plug-in; let alone plugging it in every evening to recharge it.
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19 of 22
June 3, 2011
My understanding is that lithium-ion batteries are expensive b/c lithium itself is relatively rare and energy intensive to mine and process to the purity levels required for battery manufacture. There is no doubt that energy storage, whether batteries, capacitors, or some a mechanical mechanism, will be necessary if we plan on living lifestyles even remotely similar today, where we consume energy on demand. I believe it is the next big industry in the U.S. (think Microsoft, Google, etc.). It will be interesting to watch who the winners are.
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20 of 22
June 3, 2011
Cobalt is used in many types of rechargeable batteries and adds considerably to the expense of the batteries.
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21 of 22
June 3, 2011
That's right, Ron! Keep towing that company line!

New stuff Bad! Old stuff Good!

Ooga-chakka!
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22 of 22
June 3, 2011
Liberal arts 'educated' at Reed College Jason Marks comments on heat rate.


From: "Jason Marks, PRC" Jason.Marks@state.nm.us
To: bpayne37@comcast.net, "David King, PRC" David.King@state.nm.us, "Jerome D Block, PRC" JeromeD.Block@state.nm.us>, Becenti@state.nm.us, "Sandy Jones, PRC" Sandy.Jones@state.nm.us
Cc: dave@radfreenm.org, nmusa@rt66.com, mhartranft@abqjournal.com, "Staci Matlock" smatlock@sfnewmexican.com>, amorales58@comcast.net
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 9:12:09 AM
Subject: Re: Large-scale solar generation of electricity fraud in New mexico?

Mr Payne:
I don't understand your concerns. There are two basic solar electric technologies: photovoltaic panels (PV) and thermal concentrating solar power (CSP). The development and deployment in NM is focused on PV. Hundreds of homeowners with installed PV systems can tell you that their systems produce electricity in line with specifications, as proved by meters.

You (either an individual or a utility) buy a solar system for a certain price, you install it, and it generates electricity for 20 or 30 years or so, with minimal operating and maintenance costs. There are no fuel requirements (and thus no "heat rate"). When you spread the upfront costs over the system's lifetime electric production and adjust for tax credits and REC incentives, you arrive at the cost per kwh. You get to decide if you think that cost per kwh is reasonable before you make the investment. There is no fraud.

Jason Marks


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