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What High Gas Prices Mean for Renewable Energy

While high energy prices in 2008 pushed investors towards renewables, the story is very different this time around.

Jennifer Kho, Contributor
May 31, 2011  |  22 Comments

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Gasoline prices have been falling in the last few weeks, but – for most U.S. drivers – they remain painfully high. With regular unleaded costing a national average of $3.78 per gallon Tuesday, and more than $4 a gallon in six states and the District of Columbia, prices are more than $1 higher than they were a year ago. "When you fill your tank and you're putting $60, $70 or $80 into your vehicle at a shot, you start to wonder if there's an alternative to this madness," said Scott Doggett, associate editor for Edmunds.com.

In 2008, the last time gasoline approached $4 a gallon, the sticker shock prompted many drivers to trade in their gas-guzzlers – often at enormous losses – and buy more efficient cars and hybrids, he said. Investors pumped money into new fuel and vehicle technologies, including biofuels and electric cars, which seemed more competitive compared to higher gas prices. And analysts began considering $4 gas the tipping point for change.

So you might think that the return of high gasoline prices would be great news for alternative fuels and electric-vehicle technologies. But this time around, analysts say, they're not seeing the same dramatic response from consumers and investors. Drivers aren't flocking to car dealerships to trade in their cars. Investors aren't spending hundreds of millions on algae-based biofuels or electric-vehicle batteries. And there's no sign that the prices will spark the kind of government spending that the stimulus brought soon after the prices breached $4 a gallon last time.

Why It's Different This Time

What's different? For one thing, today's economy is very different than it was three years ago. Even though the economy had already begun to slump in 2008, far more people find themselves caught in challenging conditions today, Doggett said. Drivers don't have the discretionary income to switch cars and they're holding on to their old cars longer, he added. In other words, drivers don't have much of a choice. "They see themselves putting $60 or $70 into their gas tanks and they aren't happy about it, but there's not much they can do about it either," he said. "They don't see another viable option."

Even if they want to spend the money on a new car, many would-be car buyers just can't get the financing they'd need now that banks have become more cautious about lending and home values have dropped. "People's buying habits are totally different than they were two or three years ago because of what people have lived through and uncertainty about what's going to happen in the future," said Rick Kment, a biofuels analyst at DTN. "With more uncertainty about jobs and a challenging economy, are you going to lock yourself into a 5- to 6-year car purchase now?"

Most Americans who are buying new cars aren't buying the plug-in hybrid Chevy Volt or the all-electric Nissan Leaf, or even a regular hybrid like the Toyota Prius. With General Motors targeting sales of a mere 10,000 Volts in its first year and Nissan aiming to sell 10,000 Leafs by the end of this year, these cars will make up a tiny part of the U.S. sales that automakers predict could top 13 million in 2011. And while more hybrid models are available today than there were two years ago, the percentage of hybrids in the U.S. market shrank to 2.4 percent in 2010 from 2.7 percent in 2009, even as gasoline prices grew, Doggett said. "Even with more hybrid choices available, Americans are purchasing fewer of them on a percentage basis," he said.  

At $40,000, the Volt – which drivers can charge with electricity or fill with gas – is simply beyond the means of many Americans, Doggett said. And the Leaf doesn't have the range that many drivers would like, in many cases topping out at around 80 to 100 miles per charge, he added. "For a lot of people, that's just not enough," he said. "It may be true that the average American drives 40 miles a day, but there are many times when that average American is going to want to drive 120 or 150 miles. The Leaf just doesn't meet a lot of people's expectations of what an automobile is supposed to do."

Other hybrids cost less, but still can be expensive. Many models, including the Toyota Prius, have price tags $3,000 higher than their comparable nonhybrid counterparts. They're facing increased competition from more fuel-efficient internal-combustion-engine vehicles. Because while the gas prices are beginning to make consumers look more closely at alternative vehicles, many are finding that the most convenient choice – aside from driving less – is a smaller, more fuel-efficient car with traditional technology, said Thilo Koslowski, lead automotive analyst at Gartner.

So while car buyers are paying more attention to fuel efficiency nowadays, traditional – albeit higher-MPG – vehicles seem to be winning out over new technologies, analysts say. One reason is that internal-combustion-engine cars have gained fuel efficiency since 2008. "The 40-MPG club is growing, and it offers a lot of competition to hybrids," Doggett said. "Almost every major automakers feels pressure to have at least one model that gets 40 MPG on the highway. There's the thinking that you need to have a place at that table."

Those conventional cars haven't gained their fuel efficiency for free. Prices are going up as automakers pass research costs to consumers, Doggett said. But the fuel-efficient ICE vehicles remain cheaper than hybrids, and -- as the MPG gap between hybrids and conventional cars narrows -- buyers seem to be growing less willing to pay those premiums for smaller fuel-efficiency gains. Meanwhile, many of those early adopters inclined to buy hybrids at the sight of $4 gas probably already did so in 2008, and aren't likely to switch out their green cars for newer ones only three years later, Kment said.

Changing the Fuel Instead of the Car

Another option that drivers have is to fill their regular cars with ethanol or biodiesel. Biofuel retailer Propel Fuels has seen its customer ranks grow steadily amid the higher gas prices, with a double-digit monthly growth rate for the last six months, according to CEO Matt Horton. The company just opened its 24th station in Redwood City, Calif., in May. Horton estimates that Propel probably has nearly 10,000 customers now, with a much larger potential market. After all, more than 65 percent of drivers with flexible-fuel vehicles, which can run on a blend of 85 percent ethanol and 15 percent gasoline called E85, aren't aware they have such vehicles, he says.

"Most American consumers are absolutely sleepwalking when it comes to fuel," CEO Matt Horton said. "It's a mindless process – you go to the gas station, grumble a bit and fill up. But gas prices like these shake people out of their sleep and make them think about what they're doing. They look for alternatives, and because of that, our business has been doing very well in this environment. Whenever people think about their fueling choices, it's good for our business."

It's interesting to hear that E85 sales have grown considering that ethanol prices actually have outpaced gasoline prices lately. Ethanol is still cheaper than gasoline, but a gallon of ethanol contains 25 to 30 percent less energy than a gallon of gasoline, so if isn't 25 to 30 percent cheaper – or $3 a gallon when gas is at $4 -- it's not a good deal for drivers, Kment said. The average price of E85 nationwide is $3.23 per gallon, which – because of the lower energy content – would equate to a price of $4.25 per gallon for regular gasoline, according to AAA. The gap between the price of gasoline futures and ethanol futures for June – the so-called gas-to-ethanol spread – has shrunk from almost 81 cents per gallon on May 10 to 52 cents on Tuesday, Kment said, meaning that ethanol futures cost only 16.5 percent less than gasoline futures.

Why? Well, corn prices have been soaring, with flooding and planting delays exacerbating higher food prices overall. Horton calls the oil price the No. 1 contributor to the rise in corn prices, pointing out that food and other commodity prices tend to rise whenever oil prices do. Fertilizer is petroleum-based, for one thing, and transportation is needed to produce and distribute corn. Oddly enough, while oil and gas prices have boosted ethanol prices, ethanol has actually helped keep gas prices down, according to a Center for Agricultural and Rural Development study in May. The report concluded that ethanol had reduced wholesale gas prices by an average of 82 cents per gallon in 2010 and that gas could cost up to 92 percent more today if it weren't for ethanol.

In any case, the shrinking gas-to-ethanol gap hasn't trickled down to Propel's stations. The company has cut its margins to keep ethanol competitive, Horton said. At its new station in Redwood City, Calif., Propel sells E85 for 76 cents per gallon less than gasoline. That's a bigger discount than the nationwide average, which prices E85 at 55 cents, or 14.5 percent, less than gasoline. And Horton claims that customers haven't been seeing big mileage reductions, in spite of ethanol's lower energy content. Of course, customers aren't using 100 percent ethanol, but a blend, which tempers the mileage reduction. Most Propel customers report a loss of only 1 to 2 fewer miles per gallon, Horton said.

Still, sales of E85 still make up a small fraction of the U.S. ethanol market today. Most of the ethanol is blended with gasoline, and that market seems to be stuck where it is for now, analysts say. Ethanol is cheaper than gasoline, so blenders have an incentive to add as much as most cars can use. But a blend of up to 10 percent ethanol and 90 percent gasoline, E10, is the practical limit for the majority of U.S. pumps because it’s the maximum blend that all gas vehicles can use today.

The Environmental Protection Agency in January approved the use of E15 for cars released in 2001 and later, but most retailers are unlikely to add expensive E15 pumps when only about half of the cars on the road could use the fuel, Kment said. Adding to the reluctance is the fact that retailers aren't guaranteed any protection against lawsuits if drivers with older cars use the fuel, according to oil and ethanol refiner Valero spokesman Bill Day. "Until and unless E15 gets some product-liability protection and until and unless it's approved for all vehicles, it's not going anywhere," he said, adding that Valero doesn't plan to sell E15 at any of its company-owned stores. "EPA's approval of E15 made for good politics, but it was – for all practical matters – useless."

Valero's Renewable Plans

Valero plans to continue to blend E10, which meets the federal renewable fuel standard (RFS), as well as E85 for flex-fuel vehicles. It also plans to add E85 dispensers any time it opens a new store or significantly renovates an old store. So far, the high gasoline prices and low margins for ethanol haven't altered Valero's interest or activities in renewables, Day said.

The company has been running its ethanol factories, which it bought from VeraSun in 2009, at full capacity – and at a profit – and intends to continue to do so, he said. "The price of corn has gone up and margins for ethanol have been squeezed a little bit, but our plants are large, low-cost operations, so it's still viable for us to operate them at capacity."

While Valero got permits to slightly increase the capacity at its Minnesota ethanol plant, it doesn't have any firm ethanol expansion plans, Day added. It has considered buying more factories, but the valuations have gone up and Valero hasn't been able to find the same kind of bargain that it got for the VeraSun plants, he said. It also hasn't seen much of change in the ethanol market as a result of the high gas prices, he added. "We haven't said we've seen an increase, but it's stayed at elevated levels."

Meanwhile, gas prices could be heading downward, even as summer – traditionally a time of heavy driving and higher demand for fuel – approaches, Kment said. "In the last three weeks, we have seen a significant pullback in expected demand, a significant selloff in the gasoline market," he said. Gasoline futures for June delivery fell from $3.38 per gallon on May 10 to $2.95 per gallon on May 18, indicating expectations of sluggish demand, he added. By Tuesday, the price had recovered somewhat to $3.15 per gallon, but that's still below previous expectations for this time of the year, and Kment predicts that demand will remain slower than usual.

If gasoline prices drop significantly, as futures traders expect, and corn prices remain high, ethanol prices could actually meet or exceed gasoline prices, Kment said. (Horton believes that gas prices will remain high this summer – and will continue to grow in the long term, even if they fluctuate in the short term – while corn prices come down. Ethanol futures are now priced at $2.63 per gallon for June delivery.) If ethanol prices do top gas prices, E85 sales could drop, but the market for ethanol blended into gasoline is unlikely to see much of an impact, Kment added.

That's because the federal RFS calls for about 13.95 billion gallons of biofuel this year, increasing to 36 billion gallons in 2022. Corn-based ethanol could make up about 13 billion gallons of that requirement, an amount equal to more than 9 percent of the country's annual gasoline consumption. So for all practical purposes, most of the ethanol blending is stuck in the narrow window between 9 percent and 10 percent, Kment said. That means that when the gas-to-ethanol spread grows or shrinks, it ends up having a limited effect on the market, he added.

Day disagrees that there's little room for discretionary blending. Not everybody is blending at the 10 percent level now, he said, adding that ethanol blending is not required in some parts of the country. But he acknowledged that the discretionary-blending window will keep shrinking as the RFS requirement grows to 36 billion gallons in 2022. "That's why we're interested in increasing the amount of E85 that we sell," he said.

Back in 2008, the RFS required only 9 billion gallons of biofuel in 2008, which gave blenders more discretion to react to fuel prices by adding more or less ethanol to their gasoline. And, unlike in 2008, investment in advanced biofuels, such as algae-based biodiesel or cellulosic ethanol, hasn't seen a big jump either. Those second-generation fuels could deliver more environmental benefits than corn-based ethanol or soybean-based biodiesel and could potentially cut costs in the long run, analysts say. The fuel standard calls for 1.35 billion gallons of advanced biofuels this year. But those fuels are "still economically unfeasible" in spite of sky-high corn prices, Kment said.

Is $5 Gas the New $4 Gas?

The question remains: Why is this spike above $4-a-gallon gas bringing less change than the last one? Have drivers become more tolerant of higher prices now that $4 gas is nothing new? Listening to consumers' comments, Day doubts it. But this time around, customers realize the price spike is the result of temporary disruptions in the market and already have seen prices start to slide, he said.

What would it take to bring those technologies the same momentum they saw back in 2008? For the last three years, analysts have confidently called $4 gas a tipping point because of the flurry of renewable support they saw in 2008. But just because it happened before doesn't mean it will happen again. Maybe it takes higher and higher gas prices to cause the same type of sticker shock. Back in 2004, after all, gas prices above $2 a gallon were enough to shine a spotlight on renewables.

Now, it looks like $4 gas might not be enough, Doggett said. "A lot of people were saying – and people are saying it now – that $4 gas is a tipping point, but the fact is that we do have $4 gas nationwide and we're not seeing anywhere near the selloff of gas guzzlers and demand for fuel-efficient vehicles that we saw three years ago," he said. "It'll be interesting to see, if we get to $5 gas, if people will say 'Enough is enough.'" Koslowski predicts that it could take $10-a-gallon gas to drive consumers toward big changes, like electric vehicles, a price we're unlikely to see soon. Companies developing new vehicle technologies likely hope to prove him wrong.

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william payne
william payne
June 3, 2011
Liberal arts 'educated' at Reed College Jason Marks comments on heat rate.


From: "Jason Marks, PRC" Jason.Marks@state.nm.us
To: bpayne37@comcast.net, "David King, PRC" David.King@state.nm.us, "Jerome D Block, PRC" JeromeD.Block@state.nm.us>, Becenti@state.nm.us, "Sandy Jones, PRC" Sandy.Jones@state.nm.us
Cc: dave@radfreenm.org, nmusa@rt66.com, mhartranft@abqjournal.com, "Staci Matlock" smatlock@sfnewmexican.com>, amorales58@comcast.net
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 9:12:09 AM
Subject: Re: Large-scale solar generation of electricity fraud in New mexico?

Mr Payne:
I don't understand your concerns. There are two basic solar electric technologies: photovoltaic panels (PV) and thermal concentrating solar power (CSP). The development and deployment in NM is focused on PV. Hundreds of homeowners with installed PV systems can tell you that their systems produce electricity in line with specifications, as proved by meters.

You (either an individual or a utility) buy a solar system for a certain price, you install it, and it generates electricity for 20 or 30 years or so, with minimal operating and maintenance costs. There are no fuel requirements (and thus no "heat rate"). When you spread the upfront costs over the system's lifetime electric production and adjust for tax credits and REC incentives, you arrive at the cost per kwh. You get to decide if you think that cost per kwh is reasonable before you make the investment. There is no fraud.

Jason Marks


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Douglas Prince
Douglas Prince
June 3, 2011
That's right, Ron! Keep towing that company line!

New stuff Bad! Old stuff Good!

Ooga-chakka!
Ron Peterson
Ron Peterson
June 3, 2011
Cobalt is used in many types of rechargeable batteries and adds considerably to the expense of the batteries.
Nick Millar
Nick Millar
June 3, 2011
My understanding is that lithium-ion batteries are expensive b/c lithium itself is relatively rare and energy intensive to mine and process to the purity levels required for battery manufacture. There is no doubt that energy storage, whether batteries, capacitors, or some a mechanical mechanism, will be necessary if we plan on living lifestyles even remotely similar today, where we consume energy on demand. I believe it is the next big industry in the U.S. (think Microsoft, Google, etc.). It will be interesting to watch who the winners are.
ANONYMOUS
June 3, 2011
What you are all forgetting is that the Average American buy's security and road dominance; not fuel economy. Women want a 'tank' they can confidently drive in traffic; men want a macho statement; In my part of New England there are a lot of Prius sales; but among liberal arts educated people. Mainstream America buys the SUV or pick up or a GEO.

Neighbor just treated herself to a new Volvo SUV...room for kids, groceries, great in traffic, blah, blah....

You have to understand the buying decision to realize that very few people are buying a plug-in; let alone plugging it in every evening to recharge it.
paul early
paul early
June 3, 2011
To Derek-Boyle, the latest 2010-11 figures for new car average fuel consumption sold in the UK is 42mpg(US) and there is a pretty reasonable range of cars that better 55mpg(US). Hence, for the US and the UK to make vast savings in gas use it is not necessarily a technological leap that is necessary but a consumer shift to existing products that are already cost competitive.

Unfortunately, in the UK and I suspect in the US, energy efficiency is still not high enough up the agenda for many people, fuel is still way too cheap despite all the moaning and groaning.

It is really important to buy the most reasonably efficient car as possible as your shiny new car today will still be around in 15-20 years time!
Roy Joseph
Roy Joseph
June 3, 2011
JamesDavies, (June 1st), could you provide references to your assertions:
Telsa/Nissan has a battery that can take you up to 350 MPC and a supercharge station that can charge your battery in one hour or less...Canada is now placing those supercharge stations on every road in their country and giving one to everyone who buys an electric car so they can place in their garage of onto their home to charge their car.
I am particularly interested in the Canadian actions.
Thank you.
Roy
PS great article and good discussion/comments
Phil Manke
Phil Manke
June 3, 2011
I live in a C. WI town of about 2500 pop. It has 5 petro stations and there is a new one going in. This would not be happening if significant change was in the wind.
I do wonder tho, if the new station will have provision for BEV charging.
Pundits say corn ethanol is a looser, but in WI it is pushed, even tho, as the article points out, it isn't cheap enuf to make the diff.
A decade ago, GM marketed the Swift as a Geo. It could get near 50mpg. GM considered it a mistake,(like the electric one they crushed). Lots of people looking for used Geo's now. But then, lots of buyers for new SUV's too. Go figger!
philip Love
philip Love
June 3, 2011
Technology is rapidly changing. I represent a company that can produce biofuels at .50 cents per gal. The fuel can be solid waste or our propertiary field produced product. pellgl@gamil.com
Ron Peterson
Ron Peterson
June 3, 2011
I currently use about 400 gallons of gasoline per year at $4.00 per gallon my fuel costs are $1600. My insurance runs $1000 per year. Depreciation on my 2009 model is about $3000 per year.

If crude were to double in price, gasoline would go to $6.50 increasing my fuel costs $1000 per year which is unlikely to persuade me to get a new vehicle.
Sam Harriman
Sam Harriman
June 3, 2011
Excellent points!

This is without a doubt the best article, and comment string, I've ever read on this website. Bravo!
ANONYMOUS
June 3, 2011
I find it odd, that the author didn't explore why the Obama administration hasn't moved to lift the $.50/gal tariff on the importation of Ethanol from Brazil; why the cellulosic ethanol technology hasn't taken off despite the efforts of Mascoma and others.

A less expensive blend could/might/should/would favor the purchase of ICE's that are multi-fueled and overcome the market place reluctance to plunge into electric cars and all their drawbacks.

Nor did she explore the many 'adjustments' people have made to their lifestyles...car pooling; alt. transportation; working at home and perhaps most importantly, a halt to expansion into the edges of suburbia and, in turn, a halt to the construction of new homes that require longer commutes.

Another crimped lifestyle is that of American teens who find their use of a car now limited. Groups of teens now pool gas money for recreational driving; and have escalated the consequences of these mobile 'parties' involving alcohol & drugs. We had one letter in a local paper whining about how the 'rights' of teens are being violated.

It also appears 'tweens, teens and young adults are taking to the streets on skateboards, scooters, bikes, and skates in ever larger numbers; resulting in more 'conflict' with pedestrians, runners, and cars. Should be a hot summer on America's streets!

Otherwise a nice, fairly thorough article.
...a local note. The FORD dealer finally gave up selling GEM electric cars, and, sure enough, someone opened a storefront selling a nearly identical vehicle. Two seater motorcycles and heavy duty electric bikes are being sold on Florida's flat barrier islands.....how many?...don't know, but this seems to be second generation adaptation to customer complaints.
Sam Harriman
Sam Harriman
June 3, 2011
B99 @ Jay's Garage (SE Morrison & 7th): $3.789/gal ... Diesel @ Shell (NE Broadway & 33rd): $4.079/gal
457 Impressions · 0.44% Feedback
March 17 at 7:01pm · Unlike ·

... the above was a proud Facebook post from about the time the Libyan 'situation' was starting to get a lot of play in the main-stream news cycle.

Sequential B99 has been less expensive than PetroDiesel ever since. And yes, I do feel a touch of schadenfreude these days when i growl past that shell station in my cummins. And I look forward to the day I do it burning WVO. Watch for more selling from Wall Street. This is starting to get real.
Maria Hars
Maria Hars
June 2, 2011
I find it amazing that man has survived and prospered for 1000's of years using renewable energy (sun, wind, water & wood) without fossil fuel. Modern man (post industrial revolution), however, is addicted and obsessed with black gold to get us from point A to B. We are on a self destructive path fueled by our greed.
Derek Boyle
Derek Boyle
June 2, 2011
May 23, 2011 Congressional Report on Oil Speculation
http://democrats.oversight.house.gov/images/stories/FULLCOM/524%20oil%20products/COOGR%20Democratic%20Oil%20Report%2005-23-11.pdf

The report's chief conclusion is that, in order to make the most significant impact on lowering gas prices, the Committee's primary focus should be on countering the growing impact of excessive speculation, rather than pursuing the oil industry's priorities of increasing domestic drilling or repealing safety measures put in place after the devastating BP oil spill. Experts estimate that excessive oil speculation could be inflating prices by up to 30%, while increasing domestic drilling would impact prices by only about 1%, and then only after a decade or more. Addressing excessive speculation offers the single most significant opportunity to reduce the price of gas for American consumers.
Derek Boyle
Derek Boyle
June 2, 2011
if you get 25 plus mpg, $4 gas is no problem.

Europeans pay $10~$12/gallon but their vehicles average 30mpg and they have steady funding for their transportation infrastructure. American taxpayers are currently subsidizing hummer gas guzzler addiction in tax subsidies, disaster response, defense spending and by not investing more in America's transportation infrastructure. End taxpayer subsidies for the billionaire oil industry, tax oil a percentage to pay for these expenses and you create more jobs and tax revenue than the oil industry.

Don't buy a gas guzzler and continue to fund OPEC and the oil industry. They make hundreds of billion in profits the more people use and waste oil. Be a true conservative and get 25~50mpg. Support America and respect the sacrifices of American troops who have died and suffered casualties in the Middle East.

I pity the fools who still buy gas guzzlers and fight against making America energy independent by using less oil. The more oil you burn, the more money you transfer to the Middle East.
Joanne Ivancic
Joanne Ivancic
June 1, 2011
Also, with regard to the E85 price differential. If we had optimized flex fuel vehicles that could get same/similar mileage regardless of percentage of ethanol to gasoline, we'd have a market for advanced ethanols which, with a sufficient sized market, would mean advances in technologies to bring down prices and keep up fuel production and distribution efficiencies. See: http://advancedbiofuelsusa.info/advanced-biofuels-usa-publishes-paper-and-slide-presentation-on-truly-optimized-flex-fuel-vehicles-benefits-and-how-to-achieve-them Includes charts, graphs, illustrations.
Joanne Ivancic
Joanne Ivancic
June 1, 2011
Don't forget that we had the Cash for Clunkers program, too, that provided financial incentives to get rid of gas guzzlers in favor of more efficient vehicles.

The analysis that people are uncertain and will keep cars longer if they can, and drive them less rings true with my experience and observations. In our household we have a 15 year old Mercury Sable station wagon (200,000 miles) and a 9 year old Ford Focus (80,000 miles) which both get about 30 mpg highway. We have no plans to add more strain to our savings than maintenance costs if we can help it.
Nick Millar
Nick Millar
June 1, 2011
Maybe I misunderstood the point of the article, but for most of it she seems to be saying that there is no demand-response due to $4 gas. That either we are now accustomed to it or can't afford to make changes:

"In 2008, the last time gasoline approached $4 a gallon, the sticker shock prompted many drivers to trade in their gas-guzzlers – often at enormous losses – and buy more efficient cars and hybrids, he said... But this time around, analysts say, they're not seeing the same dramatic response from consumers and investors. Drivers aren't flocking to car dealerships to trade in their cars..." AND "The question remains: Why is this spike above $4-a-gallon gas bringing less change than the last one? Have drivers become more tolerant of higher prices now that $4 gas is nothing new?"

And I'm saying this isn't true, people are reacting at least as much as in 2008, and most people I've spoken too tend to acknowledge gas prices are going to remain high b/c of growing demand in other countries, whereas many viewed 2008 high prices as a blip. The article was fine, I just disagree with some of the phrasing.
Nick Millar
Nick Millar
June 1, 2011
This is a little bit contradictory of a lot of stories I have been reading. For one, there has been a movement towards more fuel efficient cars. GM's recent growth (though not in May) has been on the strength of the Chevy Cruze, and Ford has also achieved growth with sales of the Fiesta achieving surprising numbers. Not to mention that Americans continue to drive fewer miles than they did in the mid-00's, which is probably a better immediate indicator of the demand reflections based on price, since car purchases are on 5-7 year budgets and miles driven is a daily budget decision (though commuting alterations like carpooling, telecommuting, etc. might be on a monthly or bi-annual timeline).
James Davis
James Davis
June 1, 2011
General Motors and Nissan is providing one million electric cars to Canada by the end of this year. General Motors has prevented the production of electric cars in America with that worthless piece of garbage they call the "Volt" and stopped the production of electric car batteries that can take you over 200 MPC by saying that Americans drive no more than 40 miles per day and Ford is forced to accommodate General Motors in their stupid scheme.

Telsa/Nissan has a battery that can take you up to 350 MPC and a supercharge station that can charge your battery in one hour or less...Canada is now placing those supercharge stations on every road in their country and giving one to everyone who buys an electric car so they can place in their garage of onto their home to charge their car.

Again, General Motors is stifling the production of Telsa/Nissan's battery and supercharge station with a bunch of political garbage about the America's electrical grid and Americans not driving more than 40 miles per day.

Stop General Motors from plunging America backwards into the fossil age and start mass producing electric cars in America and make them more affordable than ICE cars and we will be free once and forever from foreign fossil fuel, and we can do it before 2015
William Fitch
William Fitch
June 1, 2011
Hi:

Interesting...

But I would be careful on predicting the consumer.
They can be very much so a matter of fact...
...but they can also turn unexpectedly like a junk yard dog given the right combination of events...

.....Bill

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Jennifer Kho is a freelance reporter and editor based in Oakland, Calif. Aside from RenewableEnergyWorld.com, her stories have appeared in The New York Times' Green Inc. blog, The Wall Street Journal, Los Angeles Times, AOL's DailyFinance,...
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