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Why Geographic Diversification Smooths Wind Power

Canadian weather data shows the variability-smoothing potential of a robust continental electric grid.

Tom Konrad, CFA
April 13, 2011  |  28 Comments

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Intelligent skepticism is valuable to me as an investor when it makes me question my assumptions. When I'm wrong, it makes me find out sooner (and hopefully get out of a bad trade sooner, or never get into it.) When I'm right, I emerge with my thesis tested, which leads to the confidence needed to stick to a trade when the stock market voting machine moves against me in the short term, before it comes around in the longer term.

Over the last month or so, John Petersen and I have been going back and forth regarding the potential to smooth wind power output.  Most recently, he latched onto a study and some graphs from the Bonneville Power Association which he felt demonstrated that geographical dispersion does not work.  He wrote, "I am unwilling to assume that integration across multiple regions will do the trick without seeing a compilation and overlay of the hard data from those regions and a plan that lays out how the interconnections will work."

Methodology

Actual wind output data is usually kept private by wind farm operators and utilities, so instead I turned to publicly accessible wind speed date.  I found data in usable form fromCanada's Weather Office.  I then selected four widely dispersed Canadian weather stations which had hourly historical data available, and copied the wind speed data into a spreadsheet for the week of April 1st to 7th, 2011.  In selecting weather stations, I chose one each in British Colombia, Yukon Territory, Newfoundland, and Nunavut that seemed to have enough wind to be suitable locations for wind farms.

Wind Power CurveI then converted these wind speeds into simulated power output using a wind power curve, shown here.   This takes the wind speed data, and replaces it with the likely power output (expressed as a percentage of rated output) for a wind turbine.  Wind turbines don't produce any power at very low wind speeds, ramp up quickly to their full rated power output as wind speed increases, and cut off suddenly to protect themselves in extremely high winds.

Over the week selected, the simulated wind output from my four weather stations was basically uncorrelated between the widely dispersed sites, as you can see from the following correlation matrix:

Correlation
Dease Lake (AUT) British Columbia Argentia (AUT) New-
foundland
MAYO A (Yukon) Cambridge Bay A Nunavut Wind 4 Sites ERCOT North ERCOT 2010
Dease Lake (AUT) British Columbia
1 -0.05 -0.03 -0.19 0.35 0 0.02
Argentia (AUT) New-
foundland

1 -0.06 -0.15 0.53 -0.04 -0.09
MAYO A (Yukon)

1 0.10 0.49 0.07 -0.10
Cambridge Bay A Nunavut



1 0.40 0.01 -0.12
Wind 4 sites



1 0.01 -0.16
ERCOT North




1 0.74
ERCOT 2010





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The "All 4 sites" column represents the sum of the simulated output from the four sites, while the ERCOT North and ERCOT 2010 columns contain demand statistics for the Texas grid for the same week in 2010 (I did not know where to find 2011 data.)  ERCOT North is one of eight Texas sub-regions.  I'm using ERCOT data for load simply because that was the load data I found most readily available.

Note that the correlation between "All 4 sites" and each individual wind site is approximately 50% in each case.   This is what we would expect if the wind sites were truly independent and uncorrelated.

ERCOT North is similarly highly correlated with ERCOT because not only is it is part of the larger region, but because the distances involved are smaller and because electric loads tend to be much more highly correlated across regions than weather patterns.

Diversification

The low correlation in wind output is key because when low or uncorrelated variables are added, the deviation of the average of all the variables is lower than the deviation of the individual variables.  The calculations are simplest for uncorrelated variables, but diversification has some use whenever variables are not perfectly correlated.  

In the case of n uncorrelated variables with the same standard deviation s, the standard deviation of the average of all n is s / sqrt(n).  Since I am using 4 basically uncorrelated sites in this example, the standard deviation of the average of all four sites is approximately half the standard deviation of each of the individual sites, as shown in the blue bars of the following chart and table.

Variability measures


BCNewfoundlandYukonNunavutWind 4 SitesERCOT NorthERCOT (2010) load
Std Dev 36% 48% 35% 39% 19% 11.4% 11.1%
min 0% 0% 0% 0% 7% 55% 59%
max 100% 100% 100% 100% 100% 100% 100%
avg 35% 41% 40% 60% 48% 80% 79%
Percent = 0 30% 55% 27% 19% 0% 0% 0%


Not Baseload

A quick glance at the following chart showing wind output from the four sites demonstrates that while there may be some value to diversification, we're not talking about anything like baseload power here.  It's not necessary for wind to produce baseload power in order to be effectively integrated into the grid.  Aggregate wind power needs only to be reasonably predictable and not so volatile that utility systems cannot keep up.  After all, utilities have been coping with variations of demand, which is neither entirely predictable, nor flat.
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The following chart compares the output from the average volatility simulated wind site (Cambridge Bay, in British Columbia) with the output from an average of all four sites, and ERCOT load data from Texas.  

wind vs ERCOT
Here it is clear to see that the average wind output (blue line) is much less volatile than the wildly swinging green line.  If we wanted to reduce average wind output volatility to the same level as we see in the ERCOT North demand curve, it would require 12 uncorrelated wind sites [39.5% / sqrt(12) = 11.4%], or a larger number of partially correlated sites.  Given my experience with the data so far, I think it would not be difficult to find a sufficient number of partially correlated sites within Canada, and the exercise would be simple if the area were expanded to cover both the US and Canada.

Such a large grid would have the added benefit of smoothing the volatility of demand.  We see this on a small scale when comparing the volatility of the ERCOT North sub-region to ERCOT as a whole, but, as with weather, correlation in demand curves will fall with distance due to different working habits, industries, weather conditions, and time zones.  

Lower volatility in overall demand compared to local demand would free up dispatchable resources to help compensate for the remaining volatility of wind output.

In the Real World

In theory, we can reduce the volatility of wind output to less than the volatility of demand by building a North American continental grid.  In practice, such a grid is unlikely to be built anytime soon.  But we do not need a continental grid to achieve many of the benefits of diversification. Shorter connections, especially when chosen to maximize differences in weather patterns can be of great benefit in smoothing wind output and demand.  

Complete lack of correlation is not necessary to reduce overall volatility, although there would be benefits in not only siting new wind farms to maximize power output, but to also consider the correlation of local winds to the output of other wind farms and local electric demand.  Such steps could do much to reduce the strain that the variability of wind puts on the electric grid, and in the end allow greater wind penetration.

The addition of solar resources can also greatly reduce the overall variability, given that solar output is somewhat correlated with demand and not particularly correlated with wind.  The output of solar sites tends to be much more correlated with that of other solar sites than for wind, but solar sites are not completely correlated, since output varies with cloudiness, latitude, orientation, temperature, and solar technology.  

The fact that summer electric loads tend to peak in the evening just as the sun is setting can also be alleviated with transmission and planning.  The output of West- and North-west facing panels is more correlated with load, and, even without storage available from technologies such as Concentrating Solar Power, traditional PV panels in the desert Southwest are producing power long after the sun has set in New York.

Conclusions for Investors

Wind farms are currently overly clustered in areas with good wind and access to transmission.  As a result, we see graphs of actual wind output that are much more variable than the technology need be inherently.  

While electricity storage is effective for smoothing short term volatility in electric supply and loads, long distance transmission, especially High Voltage DC transmission is the most cost-effective technology for smoothing long-term variations.  Prospective wind investors should also be considering companies involved in building, maintaining, and supplying transmission, especially leading HVDC suppliers Siemens (SI) and ABB (ABB).  

Calculations and Data

For those interested in my data and methodology, I have uploaded the spreadsheet I used for my calculations to Google Docs in both native Open Office Calc and MS Excel formats.

DISCLOSURE: No Positions.

Past performance is not a guarantee or a reliable indicator of future results.  This article contains the current opinions of the author and such opinions are subject to change without notice.  This article has been distributed for informational purposes only. Forecasts, estimates, and certain information contained herein should not be considered as investment advice or a recommendation of any particular security, strategy or investment product.  Information contained herein has been obtained from sources believed to be reliable, but not guaranteed.

This article was originally published on AltEnergyStocks.com and was reprinted with permission.

Editor's Note: To read a counterargument to this post, check out John Petersen's Geographic Diversification of Wind Power Has No Bearing on its Variability.

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Garth Barker
Garth Barker
April 25, 2011
Bob-Wallace

Bob, google PacifiCorp Wind Integration Plan.
They have a study showing the cost of wind integration using their gas plants including the cost of needed additional capacity for that effort. They then used this information in their 2011 IRP stating a need to build two more combined cycle gas plants to integrate wind thus justifying a rate increase.
Using one of our pumped storage projects (Parker Knoll CLPS) we showed that using gas was way out of line and the effort of integrating wind using storage was by far and away cheaper. They aren't listening. Our report was sent as public comment on their 2011IRP.
Troy Kramer
Troy Kramer
April 25, 2011
Forget those horizontal wind turbines and go vertical!

www.masteringgreen.com
troy@masteringgreen.com
Natty Bumpo
Natty Bumpo
April 22, 2011
Yes. The winner of the recent Westar RFP for wind was Duke Energy. According to the Kansas Corporation Commission documents, the long-term price of energy would be 3.5 cents. Or was it "under 3.5 cents?" I think it was the latter; not sure. In any event, I think it was a combination of superb wind regime, the fact that the site was already in the hands of Westar, and probably Duke being large enough to get good financing terms.
Natty Bumpo
Natty Bumpo
April 22, 2011
Firm capacity vs. power when we need it. Okay, let's explore that distinction. Perhaps you know all of what I'm about to say. The current system is somewhat built on the theory of having power available when we need it. There is an underlying continuous level of load, and this is what "baseload" is intended to meet. After all, it is the "base load." Then there's an intermediate level to the stack, and finally the peakers, currently expensive to run but only used on peak. Now, that is under the conventional generation spectrum, including traditional big hydro in some regions. Now, add in the more variable and intermittent resources. First, there is a given amount of play in the system already due to the equally unpredictable level of load at any given moment above a certain base level. So the renewables don't really cause any added issue there. Then add some more renewables. Now the conventional units maybe start to deal with a bit more fluctuation and imbalance in load and supply, in given areas, so the strategy is dispatching units up and down, if cost-effective (the latter term being subject to interpretation depending on whether you feel curtailing wind is or doing more ramping of gas units is cost effective). But if the grid were better designed and run more around renewables, the need for this could be reduced because of diversity from region to region, wind to solar, etc. Somewhere in there storage has a niche, too, particularly above penetration level X. Now, when I say firm capacity, I mean generating capacity that is available on demand; I do not mean baseload. And firm capacity resources that can be turned on and off easily, ramped up and down easily - "when we need it," as you say, are called dispatchable.
Natty Bumpo
Natty Bumpo
April 21, 2011
Mitch and Bob - just to chime in on the wind cost and coal cost debate...The variable cost of coal generation may be under 2 cents. But to construct a new coal project is quite expensive, even without counting carbon impact. On the other hand, you get firm power. Wind is cheaper than NEW coal per kWh, but it's not firm capacity. So it's a little bit of apples and oranges. On wind...believe it or not, the recent winner of a wind bid in the Midwest came in at 3.5 cents/kWh, including production tax credit, of course. But amazingly low. I think it was due in part to the phenomenal wind capacity factor at the site - well above 40%.
Alberto Escobar
Alberto Escobar
April 21, 2011
It is really amusing to watch the honest and keen interest in evaluating options to improve the total efficiency of a large system conceived and managed with a unitary concept geographically speaking in order to reach the ideal balance between "the today power generation alternatives considering the merging technologies, ( renewable energies concept) face to the demand behave along their respective 24 hours levels.......watching this from Spain and based in the European last 40 years experience in the Power sector development it seems rather a Utopia to believe that this could be possible into the USA Geographic limits...
Why do I say so?
In first place for the practices in making economics or investment decisions in USA ( which if it should be the same method in theory any where in the world ...in the practice in what concern to important investments it is very different)
- Just as a sample, the use of Project finance it is almost ignored in the practices of the Spanish Bankers as well for small size investments as for bigger size such as €20.000.000 up, unless the investors are related to some kind of privileged financial or political (traditional or temporary) relationship or influence. Therefore, this could be a comparison between the " Lobbies roll in the American practices face to the Planned Development Strategy, targeting goals currently fixed according with Political goals not currently in accordance with respect to the rational use of resources....
Just as a sample, returning to the power sector, had been mention that it is difficult to accept us$0.06 per KWh per Bankers in a PPA for a long term contract.......In spain it would not be legally accepted such option, but the project finance alternative it would be based in a the amount of the validity of the tariff in years ( at least 15 years )...for this case up to know it was €0.11
( untill short time ago spain had the credibility in the period guarantee of tariff validity.......to day ?
Tom Konrad
Tom Konrad
April 21, 2011
GeraldR said "Tom Konrad is he's too logical." I'm afraid I have to agree with you. I do approach the world as if ti is a problem to be solved... I have a tendency to lose sight of the fact than many prefer to pursue their short term self-interest, even when it flies in the face of the long term greater good.

Geographic diversification is a vision of a better world which does not yet exist. All I've shown is that the potential is there. Is our political system capable of seizing that potential? I have my doubts.
Gerry Wootton
Gerry Wootton
April 18, 2011
This article doesn't make clear some important points that Tom put into another good article. Geographic diversity is equally good for load smoothing and for cost averaging. When you put all those things together, a maximally distributed system is not only good at reducing load variation and generator variability but reduces overall cost. Excess load in one place being met by expensive local load followers and wastefull spinning reserves. Meanwhile excess capacity somewhere else is being curtailed - wasting renewable capacity just increases the cost of production unnecessarily. Overall a system that shares loads and generators broadly reduces the total generators needed which means that everybody's energy costs should be less. Tom makes a fairly convincing argument that the cost of transmission is less than the cost of redundant capacity that would be underutilized without it.

The problem with Tom Konrad is he's too logical. Politicians are not. They're mainly concerned with the immediate problem which is to get and hold power. That always devolves to a great deal of parochialism. Local generation is favored not only because it has the appearance of doing something for the locals but, more likely, plays into the needs of their backers. While politicians won't cut of their noses to spite their face, they'll gladly cut of their constituents noses to spite their opponents faces. Instead of time sharing generation capacity, which could be sited in the most productive way, they'd instead build redundant capacity in their backyards just like politicians a few states away so that they can both point to the 'obvious' local benefit while everyone ends up paying many times over for the same capacity. The secondary problem is that politicians are by nature control freaks - a truly distributed system would mean loss of control. Usually they spin their lust for political clout as 'local autonomy' - so how about autonomy in banana production for all Minnesotans?
Tom Konrad
Tom Konrad
April 16, 2011
Tam,
As usual, CA is way ahead of the rest of the nation. I'd be willing to wager John would not have written the article if he had been looking at CalISO data, not BPA data.

rif,
This is far from the first or the last study... and there was a site online (energytiming.org) put together under a DOE grant by the people at HOMER Energy http://homerenergy.com/ they told me they took it down because of lack of interest but I wrote an extensive article using the tool on seasonal timing which you can find here:
http://cleanenergywonk.com/2009/11/17/heretic-battles-straw-man/

That time, I was defending transmission against a local energy advocate.
Richard .
Richard .
April 16, 2011
Good article. It would be great for a future study to have similar level of details but data for a 2-3 year period to look on seasonal impact.
Tam Hunt
Tam Hunt
April 15, 2011
Tom, CA does have a system like you mention should be added to correct for the ITC deficiencies. In CA, almost all power contracts (renewable or not) receive Time of Delivery adjustments that recognize the higher value of peak power. SCE, for example, will pay over 3 times the base contract price for peak power for four months in the summer from noon to 6 PM.

Solar projects typically get about 25-30% additional revenue from TOD and wind can get the same if it's a coastal peaking wind resource like in my area (though most wind doesn't peak at the right time).
Garth Barker
Garth Barker
April 15, 2011
Here in Utah they're poking holes everywhere; I think most are older leases and some are being drilled and capped. The Ruby pipe line has passed thru on its way to Oregon and new substations are being added from other lines heading south toward L Vegas. PacifiCorp has proposed three new combined cycle gas generators to integrate wind; we'll see where that effort goes. There's building opposition to more gas fired generation due to our air quality issues along the Wasatch Front.
Garth Barker
Garth Barker
April 15, 2011
Bob...

AWEA figures show that the average wind PPAs are now being priced at about 6 cents per kilowatt-hour, the same price for energy procurements from a combined cycle natural gas plant. The group says wind is actually about 2 cents cheaper than coal-fired electricity, and more projects were financed through debt arrangements than tax equity structures last year, a possible sign that wind deals are winning more mainstream acceptance from Wall Street's banks…."

Wholesale coal is below 2 cents. Wind must not be counting it's PTC's
Garth Barker
Garth Barker
April 15, 2011
GeraldR..
I work for a company that is developing closed loop pumped storage. Two projects are preparing to file draft license applications with the FERC this spring. The feasibility process is in its third year with most studies completed. The economic viability is very good with two potential interconnects depending on which market looks best; we have the ability to connect to both balancing authorities. These two 1000mw pumped storage projects have been sited to avoid recreational, societal, and environmental nexus. They are removed from the aquatic resource and though the cost of building two reservoirs is expensive it's worthwhile.The only opposition we have is from the PU which is fossil fuel based and using natural gas for wind integration balancing. Both projects will remove the need for gas peakers. The systems will use variable pump/turbines that provide a variety of service benefits not just arbitrage;projected online 2016. Each has the potential to firm and time shift approx. 2500mws of variable generation. 9 other locations have PAD's filed for future PS projects.
Gerry Wootton
Gerry Wootton
April 15, 2011
Mitch - nothing surges more than a closed loop pumped storage system. The pond goes up, the pond goes down, .... For a large scale project you have to either own your own lake or find a really large body of water. Someone has proposed Lake Erie as a good candidate.

Too be sure, dispatching of hydro power causes excess fluctuations in flow. We're being constantly bombarded with TV commercials reminding us that any time is surge time (so watch out or we'll drown you). In some cases, property owners and/or recreational users have chased after hydro operators for being too variable. One of my memorable experiences is the first time I drove by Niagara Falls late at night during a Welland storage recharge - just amazing.
DoggyDog World
DoggyDog World
April 15, 2011
Nice work, Tom.

Many complaints against wind focus on problems it creates with our existing "on demand" system. Critics never acknowledge easy changes to the system which can make this extremely cheap, renewable resource more valuable. A supergrid is one such change, and it offers huge benefits besides improved wind integration. Ice-Bear type A/C units are another good example of a dispatchable load which can adjust to meet wind's variability. Electric cars and wind are a match made in heaven, cars which sit dormant 23 hours per day can be a huge dispatchable load (I'm not even talking V2G here, just smart charging). EREV/PHEVs even have a built-in backup power source for rare periods when the wind dies completely. With wind our car fuel costs can drop 80% and we can help get the country off jihad juice. What's not to like?
Garth Barker
Garth Barker
April 15, 2011
GeraldR...
The value of pumped hydro compared to RoR or conventional hydro is the aquatic nexus. The reason BPA is curtailing wind points back to environmental issues and total gas issues. Any project on a river is going to have negative effects if used for ramping. Closed loop pumped storage (removed from the aquatic nexus) is being licensed at this time in the west. Cost installed $1500 kW. Value of the operation is found in both load and generation. Other benefits are wind remains clean when coupled with storage; if firmed with gas it loses 40% percent of that cleanliness. There has been so much denial from wind concerning storage when actually it's the perfect marriage. For every 100mws of storage 300mws of peaking gas could be replaced.
Mike Hulme
Mike Hulme
April 15, 2011
In the UK and N Europe it remains the case that dispersion of wind farms would only marginally smooth total output – and often not at all. It would also incur substantial expense in transmission networking. Concerning this cost, there seems little account taken that the transmission line serving a wind farm needs to provide over-capacity to three or four times the average (load factored) output. Lines serving 'conventional' stations need nowhere near this surplus capacity. Even without this extra cost a wind farm is going to struggle to pay-off its capital cost and loan servicing without the covert "subsidy" given by the RO (or other finance – tax breaks etc in other countries).
Gerry Wootton
Gerry Wootton
April 15, 2011
One caveat. I also used this data to work wind load & snow load issues for solar installations and noted a few problems. First, the terrain is undefined. Luckily, many reporting stations are defined as being airports so you can make a pretty good guess at the ground resistance and wind exposure factors. Second, the metrology elevation isn't very high. You need to apply a heuristic to determine wind speed at a reasonable elevation (even for the roofs of single story industrial buildings). On the bright side, wind speed generally increases with elevation so ignoring elevation as a factor will generally underestimate the capacity. Also, many wind farms are sited on ridge lines which changes the ground factors in a beneficial way so ignoring this will underestimate the resource.
Gerry Wootton
Gerry Wootton
April 15, 2011
I too have used Canadian weather data but to predict solar capacity which requires temperature, wind speed, humidity, visibility and cloud-cover data (even then you need to apply a heuristic to calculate effective insolation). So far, I have only found sufficiently rich data for Canada and Russia (factors and reporting frequency) and then only for some of their weather stations. Maybe there's a US database somewhere but I haven't it found yet. (US 4 corners area can be fudged since their weather is mostly very consistent).

One thing about wind is that it is driven by weather systems and North American weather systems generally follow a west to east arc. Winds are generally highest at the leading and trailing edges of weather systems or more exactly the fronts between successive weather systems. A non-random east-west distribution of wind farms is likely to take best advantage of this. A north-south distribution is more likely to see surges.

A more elaborate study incorporates wind and solar - these capacities tend to compliment each other with respect to local weather and seasonal variation in resource.

When you look at smoothing, don't immediately jump to storage as the solution. Currently, wind is cheaper than storage per kWh so one option is just to have excess distributed wind capacity and use curtailment for regulation. Also, you can leave 'pumped' out of hydro storage: hydro is intrinsically a store of energy that can be dispatched or curtailed effectively over timelines consistent with wind and solar variability. You don't have to pump it back up hill - just coordinate the dispatching (if you like you can call this virtual pumped hydro storage). You might also note that one of the seasonal peaks in combined wind and solar capacity is aligned with a minimum in hydro-electric capacity.
a b
a b
April 15, 2011
" While I agree with most of what you have to say, I have to take John's side regarding what happens after a wind farm is interconnected. Wind operators in Texas have been forced to curtail production during especially windy periods due to lack of available transmission, and it looks like the same is happening in the BPA region as well."

That's because the USA isn't using much pumped up hydro storage to store excess wind when generated and reuse stored wind power later on when the wind isn't blowing hard enough, as is done in arid Spain (21% wind power in a 46 million people area) and in arid Portugal (50% wind power in a 7 million people area).

http://www.ree.es/ingles/sala_prensa/web/notas_detalle.aspx?id_nota=180

http://www.windpowermonthly.com/go/windalert/article/1043722/?DCMP=EMC-CONWindpowerWeekly


In a recent company address, Iberdrola Chairman Ignacio Galán outlined the company's plans for 2011. He said that in Spain, the company will continue to work on major projects, such as the extension to the 2000 MW hydroelectric plant at La Muela near Valencia, making it the continent's largest pumped-storage complex. Galán also talked of major hydro development in Portugal with construction of the Upper Támega complex, with a capacity in excess of 1000 MW.

http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2011/01/roundup-of-hydro-activity-in-europe?cmpid=WNL-Friday-January28-2011
Tom Konrad
Tom Konrad
April 14, 2011
Agreed, Tam.
Community wind power is often built near the community it serves... hence it often does not have the same congestion problems of the typical utility scale wind farm. And it's true that wind farm developers are aware of the risk of curtailment, but until curtailment actually happens, some may discount it in their decision-making. This is why real-world curtailment is a salutatory example for future developers.

I also agree that the ITC is also far from perfect as an incentive. What I'd really like to see as an incentive for wind is a small price multiplier for wind power sold at commercial rates. This would create a strong incentive to chose wind farm locations that are most likely to produce power when it is most needed, even at the cost of producing fewer kWh.
Tam Hunt
Tam Hunt
April 14, 2011
Tom, curtailment is an issue in some markets: in Texas over the last couple of years and now apparently in BPA also. However, curtailment is built into the contract so developers know this is a risk. Nevertheless, wind projects are still being built all over the place (albeit much slower in 2010 than in 2009 due to other reasons). As such, transmission is increasingly an issue for larger wind farms and areas with many wind farms clustered together. But community wind, my niche, doesn't face the same problems.

Also, the ITC has its own problems. I fully appreciate having the choice between ITC and PTC now, but ITC was of course justifiably vilified in the 80s for promoting non-functioning wind farms b/c once an investor builds it there is far less incentive with ITC to make sure it's producing the power. But nowadays it's less of a problem b/c PPA prices are much higher than they used to be.

I support Congress in maintaining the choice between ITC and PTC for wind developers.
Tom Konrad
Tom Konrad
April 14, 2011
Bob-
I don't like calculations about what we would need to reach baseload power, because baseload power is not the goal. The goal is to match supply and demand, and demand is never constant.

That said, my graphs are not useful in the calculation, since you'd need to look at at least a couple year's worth of data to do the calculations, not just one week.
Anumakonda Jagadeesh
Anumakonda Jagadeesh
April 14, 2011
Great post. Sound arguments on diversification of wind power.

Dr.A.Jagadeesh Nellore(AP),India
Tom Konrad
Tom Konrad
April 13, 2011
Tam,
Thanks for your comments. While I agree with most of what you have to say, I have to take John's side regarding what happens after a wind farm is interconnected. Wind operators in Texas have been forced to curtail production during especially windy periods due to lack of available transmission, and it looks like the same is happening in the BPA region as well.

Much of the problem stems from the fact that we have been subsidizing wind power based solely on energy produced. This leads farms to cluster in the highest wind regions, even when that wind blows at times when it is not needed, or where there is inadequate transmission available.

The moral of the story: wind needs a more robust transmission grid and a more rational subsidy regime (the ITC, while not perfect, is much better than the PTC) to reach its full potential.
Tam Hunt
Tam Hunt
April 13, 2011
John, two key points:

1) See this IEA report on the variability of wind power and the benefits of geographic dispersion, demonstrating that in some areas at least it is indeed helpful for smoothing the grid:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBgQFjAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Finlportal.inl.gov%2Fportal%2Fserver.pt%2Fdocument%2F71135%2Ftab_8%2C_variability_of_wind_power_and_other_renewables_pdf&rct=j&q=iea%20variability%20of%20wind%20power&ei=J_ClTbXNGO-z0QH3k6n8CA&usg=AFQjCNGZcQIj12uyqYAJqf9-ioVyOyDRsA&sig2=jQV0AVi7ZViNwGOvVNFZYA&cad=rja

P. 21 shows the impacts of geographic dispersion for wind in Denmark. However, I am intrigued by your data for BPA and the UK and I agree that much more research should be done on this before it becomes established dogma.

For a good study re solar geographic dispersion, see:

http://eetd.lbl.gov/ea/ems/reports/lbnl-3884e.pdf

2) More importantly, your suggestions re investments (or lack thereof) in wind power ETFs is misplaced and represents a very shallow level of research. Wind power in no way depends on geographic dispersion for its integration and most grids around the world have far too little wind and other variable renewables on them now to worry about integration as a significant issue yet. California, for example, has about 2-3% wind power on its grid and studies have found that far more wind could be accommodated without major reliability concerns.

In fact, studies of this issue have already been done in many jurisdictions, summarized in Lawrence Berkeley Labs' recent 2010 wind market report:

http://eetd.lbl.gov/ea/ems/reports/lbnl-3716e.pdf

And here's the Powerpoint (see p. 55):

http://eetd.lbl.gov/ea/ems/reports/lbnl-3716e-ppt.pdf

The bottomline is that these studies have found as a general rule that wind can reach up to 20% penetration with an integration cost of only about 10% on top of the cost of energy. This is highly manageable and is not a threat to wind power expansion at all.
Tam Hunt
Tam Hunt
April 13, 2011
Tom, nice article. As I just commented on in Petersen's companion article, wind integration is NOT an issue for investors in wind power ETFs (no, I do not have any position in any wind ETFs). Wind integration is an issue for grid operators and wind developers seeking to interconnect. Once a wind farm is interconnected, we can correctly assume it has and will be integrated successfully onto the grid. Otherwise it wouldn't be allowed to interconnect. More general points are included in my response to Petersen that I'll paste below.

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