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California Supreme Court Tosses Solar Project Lawsuits

By Ucilia Wang, Contributor
April 15, 2011   |   8 Comments

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1 of 8
April 20, 2011
I'm left wondering if these energy companies could just mount a modified P.V. panel on a house roof top and save a bit of dessert. There would be less transmission lines needed and the lack of centralization is in itself a type of energy security.
I have been trying to generate some interest in a P.V. panel that is a structural component, provides a water proof surface and removes the heat from the back to supply domestic hot water. The subsequent cooling would increase the P.V. panels overall efficiency.
Builders, developers and utility companies would be able to cooperate with each receiving benefits. The home owner would be able to participate financially and recoup their costs quickly. Reduced energy bills can be used to help in qualifying for a mortgage.
A cost benefit analysis should be east to conduct.
Am I just a dreamer? Are there lots of simple solutions where we are not looking?
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April 21, 2011
Gary: A diversified grid is a very good thing and each homeowner who install solar PV on their roof are contributing to that end goal.

These central power stations however have several advantages. One is the reduced cost resulting from installing megawatts of power vs kilowatts of power. You buy solar for your home and you can spend $4, 5, or $6/watt. Installing megawatts can result in prices less than half that.

There are of course solar PV manufacturers who have designed water passages behind the electric portion of the panel but those are more expensive. However if you do not have either solar PV OR solar hot water then certainly a system could be build to facilitate both systems together which would certainly make sense in new construction. I would be very cautious however since water and electricity don't usually mix well together, LOL I might also be concerned that the water side of the system might not last the 40 years many PV systems can last. But again copper plumbing systems can last 50-100 years in many cases - but with my water - not so long.

I priced solar hot water about a year ago and it was a little too steep for my blood. Will probably buy a kit and make it a DIY project sometime in the future. The 50-100% profit markup by some contractors is a little too rich for my blood.

Good posting.
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April 21, 2011
Tom I'm thinking along the lines of an extruded aluminum backing with a coupling device to join the panels. A cross member structural component could then be added. A simple flashing system and a pressure plate on the seams would keep the water out. Consideration for expansion and contraction would also need to be an integral part of the design.
With the size of some urban sprawl subdivisions they may lend them selves to megawatts. That is partially why I'm suggesting the cooperative approach.
I don't understand your comment about water and electricity not mixing. I Canada we produce lots of hydro electric power :)
HAR HAR I KILL ME, I KILL ME
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April 21, 2011
Your post hit the nail on the head. My worries are always for the roof openings created when installing SV. Then the expense of a change out when you need a new roof. Assuming PV was installed when roof was new. Its good to know thinking is along the same lines. Thanks
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April 22, 2011
There is no time for cool-aid drinkers.
The vast majority of our energy is provided at a costs to you and me by very large producers of power. The providers want to maintain the status quo and protect their INTERE$T$. They are very powerful and are politically connected. You and me pay their costs and profit markup. They don't what us to capture solar heat and electricity at own homes where it is used. That will cut into their volume by 15% or more easy, because every watt we make we don't have to buy from them. Again, they don't want you or me to have solar thermal or PV panels our homes.

Not to mention how that would eliminate the need for the multi-billion dollar interstate delivery network needed to get this power from the big MW plants in the SW desert and plain states wind farms to the end users on the coasts, which we will pay for.
Also I hate to break the news to anyone who doesn't know the facts but solar hot water systems pay back themselves faster than any form of renewable system you can buy. Even faster with rebate incentives. Thinking that solar hot water is to expensive for one's blood is like thinking buying your own home is to expensive for you. For some it is If you rent for 50 years you still own nothing. Solar hot water systems pay back in a few years. After that you spend almost nothing for your hot water, a major part of your electric bill, every month.
People who think solar hot water is to expensive is missing some information and/or doesn't understand as much as they should.

PS, Micro-inverters installed on PV panels are a big game changer. Watch for them.
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April 23, 2011
From the C.D.Howe Institute Commentary Going Ggreen for Less
The Study in Breif
The lowest cost government incentive programs identified are for renewable heat and power technology such as wind power, solar air and hot water heating,and biomass pellet heating, as well as energy retro fitting strategies. For these programs, mitigation could be realized at $10-to-$60 of government subsidy per tonne of carbon dioxide equivalent (CO2e) offset.
In contrast, the most expensive government incentives were found to be liquid Biofuels, which ranged from $295-to-$430/tonne of CO2e for ethanol and $122-to-$175 of CO2e for Biodiesel. The federal government's $4.5 billion ecoEnergy program has dedicated over half of the total budget towards liquid Biofuels.
The report can be seen online or purchased for $12 from the institute.
As a proponent of both passive solar and passive houses as well as an individual employed in the construction industry, wise spending of taxpayer dollars could do a lot to help out with both unemployment and the housing crisis.
I built my first passive solar home in 1981. It still works like a charm, costs substantially less to heat and needs no air conditioning. This is in a part of the country where the temperatures range from -40C to +40C (-40F to +105F).
I could build the same house today, raise it to the passive house standard, put solar thermal and PV and have a net energy gain.
James Scott excellent post. I have a new simple solar thermal hot water system I wand to draw and publish soon that is hidden and uses the thermal mass of the roof to help heat the water. It just combines the aluminum under floor plates used for Hydronic heating and sits under an asphalt shingle roof. It would lend itself quite well for more southern climates and be a great way to heat a pool in the more northern areas as snow cover is problematic.
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April 24, 2011
I haven't seen the term [c]'koolaid drinker' in a long time so looked it up.

'Koolaid Drinker: People who believe anything they are told. people who refuse to change there minds when confronted with facts. a koolaid drinker is the liberal democrat who is liberal because they are told they should be... often a koolaid 'drinker' simply wants to hate anything a republican does good or bad.'. Interesting term to find on a renewable energy blog.

I built my first solar thermal collector in 1978 for a science class in college and as any historian knows they have been around for thousands of years. But we live in a different environment today don't we. We have CC&Rs, Homeowners Associations and City Architectural Committees to deal with. For a great many Americans they have to deal with these entities just to become more green.

As a licensed and registered profession engineer, I am fully capable of designing, constructing and installing my own solar thermal systems which would in all likelihood be superior to the so called approved systems. I can NOT however get the local building enforcement agency and architectural committees to approve the design without first hiring an attorney and thousands in fees.

My last estimate for an approved solar thermal system with one 3' X 10' panel was $4,800.00. My estimated cost to heat the water for my 2 person household is approximately $20/month in the desert Southwest since we can shut off our water heaters in Jul, Aug, & Sept.

I can receive a $750 utility rebate and associated tax credits to reduce the cost somewhat. However, at the age 70, the tax credits are of little value and the system might never pay for itself in my lifetime.

Not too long ago I wanted to install a ground source and/or water cooled heat pump but we can't do that here either. No wells are allowed and the lots are too small for a field of piping.

I guess I will have to live with the term 'koolaid drinker'.
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May 3, 2011
Apparently, many of you are completely disconnected from nature and their link to our existence. Unfortunately, many of the commenters are city dwellers and are badly misinformed by renewable energy propaganda. Those desert tortoises are going way and will be extinct in the foreseeable future. Google Fort Irwin and mojave desert tortoises. They've unsuccessfully moved the tortoises 2 or 3 times. Once they were gathered and moved while they were hibernating. When they woke up in a new place they tried to head back but before long were all eaten by coyotes and ravens. The Mojave Desert is full of life. It is also the only desert in the entire U.S. And now the profiteers are going through in the name of clean energy and killing everything else in their path. It's not OK to do this anymore. Do tell how energy or anything else can be considered to be clean when it wipes out a big chunk of the ecosystems, habitats, breeding and nesting sanctuaries, etc. This is what the groups are fighting against. Grow a few. Go spend a weekend and go watch what you are supporting: the cutting and filling of roads for the heavy equipment to get through to cut down massive numbers of trees and all the grading and permanent destruction. And for what? So the 79% of the foreign companies can cash in on our natural resources? Personally, I'm not willing to clobber my ecosystems for them. Worse. We will be married to a very expensive central grid for the next 40 years. It is a form of enslavement. And I was expecting to be wow'ed by a personal solar powered electricity unit that I could buy at Home Depot for $600. Silly me. to think this country w

Look at your own environments. Does anyone wonder where all the flocks of birds have gone? Where are all the wildlife that used to be around you? Oh. Hit by cars! Can any of you identify the milky way or orion's belt, big dipper or see satellites flying through the sky at dusk and dawn? No? It's because your night sky is gone.
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