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Nuclear Debacle – Not Clean, Not Safe

Scott Sklar, The Stella Group
March 18, 2011  |  28 Comments

The recent earthquake in Japan and subsequent loss of 10% of Japan's electric power due to failures and explosions in at least two nuclear power plants, demonstrates the frailness of relying on any "one" energy source, particularly one that holds the extremely high risk of contaminating the air and water, and could be a target for terrorist acts.

American citizens have been exposed to failures of policymakers and regulators in the past.  And these failures have placed enormous financial burdens on U.S. taxpayers and have had severe consequences for our economy and national security. The top three such failures include the savings and loan fiasco, which was caused by federal deregulation policy and banking deregulation; the recent economic meltdown caused by bad or ineffective policy on derivatives and regulation; and a catastrophic failure in homeland security on September 11th 2001 due to breaches at airports that was the result of a policy of restraint despite intelligence consensus was that the risk was "high."

Policymakers from both parties are following the same path for nuclear power -- placing arbitrarily low liability caps on nuclear power plant owners and operators (known as the Price Anderson Act) and subsidizing nuclear power RD&D, financing and loan guarantees with billions of dollars that will be paid for by taxpayer outlays.

As the U.S. public knows first hand, the arbitrary low penalty caps for oil spills seemed beyond comprehension after the mammoth BP Gulf oil spill. In this case, BP didn’t fight that battle and established a $20 billion fund. The financial market places penalties on technologies that have high technical and financial risks and this benefits taxpayers and ratepayers and is actually a safeguard for public security.

Technologies that present immense health, safety and security risks should not be cushioned, but rather the exposure and risks need to be transparent with those taking the risks, bearing the subsequent costs. The way it stands now everybody -- including you, the U.S. taxpayer -- that stands to bear the brunt of these damage costs if a nuclear failure happened on U.S. shores.

The public needs to remember and note the recent failures of nuclear power regulatory oversight:  1) a nuclear whistleblower at a PA plant complained repeatedly about sleeping nuclear control room employees, only to be fired even after he proved it by releasing pictures, 2) an unanticipated containment vessel (large) hole in an Ohio reactor, and 3) conflicts of interest by NIOSH on nuclear worker compensation -- all occurring within just the last few years.

In March 2007, John Jasinski sends the Nuclear Regulatory Commission a letter alleging guards are sleeping throughout the nuclear plant in York County, Pa. The NRC refers the concern to plant owner Exelon and security provider Wackenhut, who denies it and blames a nuclear employee of being disgruntled. The NRC accepts the statement. On Sept. 10th WCBS in New York informs the NRC that it has a videotape of guards asleep or nodding off in a “ready room” near the nuclear reactor. A newspaper documented one of the nuclear staff who worked more than 150 hours during a 14-day period, and averaged more than 54 hours a week for more than 10 months.  Finally on Sept. 21st, an NRC inspection confirms that only the 10 guards caught on tape were sleeping — one of the four shifts is implicated. On Nov. 1st Exelon terminates its contract with Wackenhut and takes over the plant’s security. Whistle-blower Kerry Beal, on leave during the investigation, is not among the Wackenhut guards rehired by Exelon. (Excerpt here.)

This is only one of numerous problems, in addition to reports that nuclear plants are not passing their mock security trials, and add to that even more ridiculous containment dome tests, when we all know that nuclear power plants can be compromised when their cooling towers, pumps and substations are impacted.

There is no question that Washington, DC will listen as the truth about the real risks come out about nuclear power in such horrid detail. Renewable energy again will show itself to be the safest bet, already attracting over $250 billion in global private sector investment in 2010, already installing more MWs per year in “clean and safe energy” than new nuclear power plants. And already providing electric power at lower costs than the multibillion-dollar proposed nuclear power plants on the drawing boards in the southeastern U.S.  Markets, and then policy, move to the safest, most reliable, and then lowest cost technologies. That bounty will fall on high value energy efficiency and the entire portfolio of renewable energy.

Swarms of nuclear lobbyists who have put hundreds of millions of dollars into campaign coffers are now in Washington, DC. They are claiming our nuclear power plants are different. Balderdash! The Federal Energy Management Administration (FEMA) website states that 39 states are susceptible to earthquakes, a good portion of the country could be exposed to category five hurricanes and tornadoes, and that doesn’t include the forest fires, natural gas pipeline explosions and other surprises that unexpectedly confront us every year.

In the mid-1980’s Amory and Hunter Lovins published “Brittle Power” (download the PDF here), which is mandatory reading for my sustainable energy course at George Washington University. In their piece, the Lovins’ make clear that we “undervalue risk.” In the preface, former CIA Director James Woolsey agrees in spades.

Twenty five years later, the nuclear industry says “trust us” and “it can’t happen here “ and then remind us “but keep those liability caps.” But hear me out -- legislated liability caps mean nuclear is not safe. It isn’t clean, and it isn’t cheap. The technology is a very expensive way to boil water, and my next column will deal with the immense national security concerns – the other “risk” we just overlook.

What we should have learned from the Challenger Disaster and the immense loss of life in three separate incidents on September 11th - is that the unthinkable does happen , and pretending that somehow nuclear power is exempt from that rule, is irresponsible and unqualified fantasy.

Scott Sklar is President of The Stella Group, Ltd., a strategic marketing and policy firm for clean distributed energy users and companies and is an Adjunct Professor at The George Washington University teaching a multi-disciplinary sustainable energy course.

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Glenn Doty
Glenn Doty
March 28, 2011
E-patrick,

If that's the best you can do with extensive editing, then you should probably just post unedited... it wouldn't sound significantly less informed.

As to your commentary about consensus, it's always funny to me when a member of today's flat-Earth society uses that line of argument. You see, concern for global warming WAS the rebellion, that only a few people believed at first... then study after study showed greater and greater validation (with today's satellite data we are seeing millions of data points per day...) all continuing to validate the theory... now virtually all of the scientific community understands global warming.

Then fools like you come along and claim to be "rebels against the consensus, taking up the mantle of Copernicus..." No. You're the philosophers stating Copernicus was a heretic and/or a demon well over 100 years after Galileo proved Copernicus was correct. You're an old guard standing against the progress of well established science.

What's truly sad is that you are so painfully uneducated that you don't seem to see the difference.



As for the products of oil... this is well known (better by me than most, as I'm working on a revolutionary oil synthesis platform). I don't see how the fact that "we use oil" in any way works as a refutation to the fact that "we will run out of oil in the ground", or that "increasing the concentration of gasses that absorb infrared energy will gradually lead to the warming of the surface of the Earth and its atmosphere".

www.WindFuels.com
E.Patrick Mosman
E.Patrick Mosman
March 27, 2011
In haste this morning I inadvertently sent an unedited comment. Here is the corrected comment.
Mr.Doty,
My grandfather warned me about getting into a hissing contest with snakes, rakes, drunks, fools and preachers of strange religions. I ignored his wise counsel by replying to a true believer in Al Gore's 'global warming religion', so identified by Professor Lindzen of MIT.
When one resorts to insults and name calling it is apparent that there is a dearth of factual data to support his/her position. Paraphrasing an old saying about a horse, you can lead
a global warming alarmist to the truth but you can't make him/her think.
Certainty and consensus is the antithesis of scientific research. Without scientists who dissented from consensus, Kepler, Copernicus, Galileo, there might still be believers in an earth centric universe just as there are still a few true believers in a flat earth.
I am taking my grandfather's advise now and leave with one thought for hydrocarbon haters to ponder.
Since less than 50% of a barrel of crude oil is turned into gasoline, 44 to 48 percent, the remaining 50+percent provides refinery gas, propane, butane, aviation gasoline, jet fuel, kerosene, diesel fuel, home heating oil, lubricating oils /greases for both transportation and industrial applications, feed stocks for petrochemical, detergents, plastics and rubber industries, fuels for marine shipping, asphalts for our roads and highways and last but not least military specification petroleum products.
William Fitch
William Fitch
March 27, 2011
Hi:

Now I will comment. The point about oil is that 75% to 80% is burned (gas, jet fuel, diesel). Who the hell cares where it is burned and in what form.
If anyone with even 1/4 of a mind steps back, they would realize a simple fact. How ARE WE NOT effecting the climate? Seven billion people and climbing, burning billions of tones of substances that took millions of years to store up solar energy, releasing them in a centuries time, cutting down trees by the square mile simultaneously every day, that would be absorbing the very CO2 we are releasing..
Get real already.
This whole argument reminds me of this simple analogy.
Take a box, fill it with sand. Add 1000 ants and throw in an apple and place a glass lid on the box. Now all of a sudden the apple starts to disappear. People start gathering around the box, speculating on why the apple is shrinking.
Some people start taking slow motion video. They play it back and show the other people that the ants are carrying away pieces of the apple. But some of the people say no, that's not it. The ants are just on the apple but the apple is just naturally degrading. It has nothing to do with the ants. They just happen to be there. And so a big disagreement builds with the two sides, those that say the ants are doing it, and those that say it is just happening on its own...
Well at the end of the day, even an ant knows the right answer.

.....Bill
Glenn Doty
Glenn Doty
March 24, 2011
e-patrick,

There is one other comment that needs to be made concerning your (dumb) initial post - #22.

You begin by stating that the "only reason to invest in nuclear and renewable energy is concern over anthropogenic global warming." Then you go on to show that your head is firmly planted up your ass.

However, that initial assertion is very poorly considered as well. I usually get into arguments here because people don't have an upper bound on the economic damages that they foresee through global warming, and I think they're being absurd (my projection is an amortized damage range of between ~$10-~$50/ton-CO2).

But I actually feel that global warming is not anywhere near the most compelling motivation for alternative energy development. RESOURCE SCARCITY is.

I can only assume that you are blabbering about debt and deficit issues due to either a concern for future generations or a concern for national security (or both)... Yet there is no national security issue that is more pressing then our reliance on foreign oil. Conventional oil peaked in 2005, and that lead to the great recession. Within 25-35 years, we will likely see uranium peak and have similar foreign import pressure.
Within ~30-40 years, natural gas will peak.

With both natural gas and uranium peaking, there will be no means of powering either tar sands extraction or oil shale bitumen processing.

Finally, coal itself will peak within 70-80 years, and the last available fossil resource will be in decline. If you are concerned about future generations, you would not want them to be wholly reliant on fossil power.

As it stands, it will likely take nearly a century to wean ourselves off of finite power sources. If we leave off development and deployment until future generations have exhausted their oil, gas, uranium, and have peaked their coal production... that will hurt them far more than leaving them a few extra billion $$s in debt.
Glenn Doty
Glenn Doty
March 24, 2011
e-patrick,

Of course I didn't follow your links. The idiocy of the denialists (sp error corrected, thank you) is virtually unchanged from what they were spewing 20 years ago, even though literally billions of pages of data has been logged throughout the past 20 years that has completely disproven their rhetoric.

I gave you a very basic - first year level - summary of the physics which stimulated the very first papers written on this subject. There is absolutely no doubt, and there cannot be any doubt, of these fundamentals.

Unless you can prove that the radiation of energy magically behaves differently for the Earth and its atmosphere because you want it to, then you are a fool if you state there's no climate warming effect from increasing CO2 levels in the atmosphere.

In other words, you are a fool.
:)
William Fitch
William Fitch
March 24, 2011
Hi to all:

I am not going to comment on GD or EP here at this juncture. However I am going to reference you to a documentary that is running right this second 8PM DST on LINK TV, on direct TV channel 375. The title is called, "The Billionaires Tea Party". You may think it has no relevance to what is just being mentioned here, but I think you will find it a real eye opener. It is also running multiple times tomorrow (Friday) on 375 as well. It is a must see documentary.....

.....Bill
E.Patrick Mosman
E.Patrick Mosman
March 24, 2011
Mr.Doty,
It is glaring obvious that you did not bother to read the cited documentation or you would not not have made such an asinine, uniformed remark as "You will find almost 0 physicists in the denyalist(sp error) camp" After you have absorbed the physics professor's full lecture on the subject you might be better prepared to understand the falsity of climate change/global warming ,except for the data manipulation and statistical legerdemain which makes it truly man made by NASA/NOAA, Professor Mann and the British equivalent.
Glenn Doty
Glenn Doty
March 24, 2011
e-patrick-mosman reminds us all that there are still morons out there that get no valid news or information and willingly believe any propaganda that they encounter... So there's still work to be done on the basics - though this site is probably not the best one in which to do so, as the problem most often encountered by readers of REW is an excess of passion in the desire to reduce CO2 emissions...

To e-patrick, I will state this, and let it go... if you want to continue to make a laughingstock of yourself, that's your call:
You will find almost 0 physicists in the denyalist camp. That is because the root of the global warming phenomenon is a simple energy balance and blackbody radiation problem. The Earth absorbs energy from the sun, and releases energy to the atmosphere. If the amount of energy absorbed is greater than the amount of energy released, then the energy state (temperature) must increase.

This is basic and understood.

The Earth and its atmosphere comprise an isolated bit of material, surrounded by vacuum. There is no means of transmitting energy through vacuum other than radiation.

The Earth receives radiation from the sun. Some of this is reflected, some is absorbed. That which is absorbed can only be released via blackbody radiation - which is dominantly within the infrared spectrum.
H2O, CO2, CH4, CFC's, and NO2, all have properties which cause the molecules to be excited by infrared radiation causing the atmosphere to re-absorb some of the energy that is radiated from the Earth. Hence, an increase in the percentage of any of these molecules within the atmosphere MUST result in an increase in the amount of energy within the Earth and its atmosphere. This is basic physics. You cannot pass even the first year of physics without fully understanding this.

So, regardless of the complexity of the climate system on Earth, and how various feedbacks effect weather patterns, higher CO2 will always result in higher temperatures eventually.
E.Patrick Mosman
E.Patrick Mosman
March 24, 2011
The only rational for the billions of dollars of Government money, mostly borrowed from China or generated by the Federal Reserve, being showered on nuclear power and green energy proposals is the false doctrine that hydrocarbon fuels and CO2 are causing climate change, nee global warming.
The readers of and commenters on this website may recall that Dan Rather's malicious effort to discredit President Bush based on phony documents was exposed by the bloggers on Powerlineblog.com. They have been reporting on the grand hoax of climate change, global warming recently and for those who still believe in and promote AGW should begin their education in the truth by perusing the following:
Climate High-Sticking
March 18, 2011 Posted by Steven Hayward
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2011/03/028625.php

Scientists Set the Alarmists Straight
February 8, 2011 Posted by John
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2011/02/028316.php


Was 2010 the Warmest Year Ever? January 30, 2011 Posted by John
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2011/01/028246.php
Marvin Hamon, P.E.
Marvin Hamon, P.E.
March 23, 2011
Here is my take of the nuclear power industry. Until there is a process in place for long term storage of radioactive waste we should not be generating the quantities that are produced in the process of generating energy. On site storage was never designed to be used long term, it was designed for temporary storage until the waste was move to a long term storage facility. Until those facilities are created it's time to stop producing the waste.

When nuclear power was first commercially launched the public was told that waste storage would be ready when it was needed. We were lied to and it's time to stop living the lie.

After waste storage is available then the design of the nuclear plants needs to be addressed. Cooling needs to be designed to be passive when the plant is shutdown. That is to say that cooling needs to take place with no outside control input, no pumps, on electrical power. As long as keeping a shutdown reactor from melting requires careful input from people, electrical power to run control systems, valves, pumps, etc then it is not safe. Once the stop button is pressed and the reactor is scrammed the plant should not require anything else to be done. This kind of design is available so it's not a big hurdle.

Last but not least once an passively safe plant is built all the plants in use today that are not passively safe need to be shutdown. It makes no sense to keep an unsafe plant in production for 30 years once a safe design is deployed.
ANONYMOUS
March 23, 2011
George Reynoldson writes in comment #19: "With six reactors all in a row, might "the earthquake/tsunami" just as well have been three or four missile loaded fighter jets?. "

There are a very small number of world powers who could launch such a strike and it would be tantamount to the start of a nuclear war. Each of these powers already has nuclear weapons and could more easily just launch a direct nuclear strike. Of course, such actions would be the last thing the leaders of this power would ever authorize because of the retaliation that would ensue. If a wave of mass insanity should strike us we won't need vulnerable nuclear reactors to initiate our downfall so George's worries on this score are excessive. However, climate change IS a serious risk and wind and solar power alone will not prove an adequate defense. Nuclear power remains a viable option to mitigate climate change risks and should not be abandoned until better options are available. Instead of fretting over extremely unlikely scenarios George should be more concerned about real perils.
Steven
George Reynoldson
George Reynoldson
March 23, 2011
Are Cold War hardened "groupthinkers" and other enforcers of (excessive) "political correctness" the problem?

Consider the root beliefs of those who yet do not see nuclear as a VERY brittle security hazard. With six reactors all in a row, might "the earthquake/tsunami" just as well have been three or four missile loaded fighter jets?.

"Military industrial complex (MIC) groupthink" is still Cold War risk based, lacks vision and still ignores what they still think of as "fringe lunatics" (like Scott ) and others (me) who still dream the waning sustainability/climate mitigation paradigm... formerly known as "the solar age."

Unfortunately "Pentagon groupthink" now appears to have been globalized and fused with the fragile financial centers of the world who have their own "MIC" "group thinkers" (focused on MENA oil) who are protected by Media "group thinkers" who are well paid to keep us all numb.

Thanks for a great article, Scott!
ANONYMOUS
March 23, 2011
Three facts; Carbon based life forms produce burnable structure while depositing some carbon into the atmosphere, which warms the whole earth and poisons life forms.
Concentrated nuclear energy kills life forms and makes other toxins that kill life forms.
The egos of the world will try to use every solution that will not work before accepting the only obvious solution that is viable to all. The ego wants you dead, yet most of us listen to it for solutions to problems first.
E.Patrick Mosman
E.Patrick Mosman
March 23, 2011
As far as can be determined the 6 nuclear reactors survived intact a 9+ earthquake but were crippled by the tsunami that destroyed the pumping capacity for cooling the reactors. These were two natural disasters that had nothing to do with the design and safety of the nuclear reactors. There not many US,perhaps on the West coast, nuclear plants that are situated in a location where two such events could occur almost simultaneously.No doubt studies will show that relocation of pumps and auxiliary power generators to a higher level will be required. With the power outages in Japan have any green power,anti-fossil fuel advocates noticed that the only things operating are the hydrocarbon, CO2 producing, gasoline and diesel powered equipment.So much for the all electric world.
ANONYMOUS
March 22, 2011
Excellent article Mr Sklar. Nuclear power generation can in no way be considered safe as long as its operation involves humans, technology and corporations. The first two are fallible, the third is untrustworthy and likely to scrimp on the first two items. When a uranium based power generation facility fails, the deleterious effects reach far beyond the borders of the facility. And failures do occur, for whatever reason, and people suffer!
Derek Boyle
Derek Boyle
March 22, 2011
Instead of charging people Billions for new nuclear capacity, states should be rebating people's taxes as energy tax credits so they can insulate their home and upgrade the efficiency of their HVAC systems. Energy efficiency improvements reduces energy use by 30% on average, which eliminates the needs for more nuclear power plants that also need thousands of miles of transmission lines which loses and wastes a lot of the energy in the process.

There are several plans for doing this stalled in the Senate including Home Star (Cash for Caulkers) and Building Star. The Home Star program by itself can create 168,000 American jobs within two years.

The Real Cost of Nuclear Power
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2059453,00.html

"Investors refuse to bet on nukes. The steady increases in electricity demand that were supposed to justify new reactors have been wiped out by the global recession, and energy-efficiency advances could keep demand flat. Natural gas prices have plummeted, Congress appears unlikely to put a price on carbon, and the U.S. still lacks a plan for nuclear waste."

"A Brattle Group paper noted last month, additional reactors "cannot be expected to contribute significantly to U.S. carbon emission reduction goals prior to 2030." By contrast, investments in more-efficient buildings and factories can reduce demand now, at a tenth the cost of new nuclear supply."
Derek Boyle
Derek Boyle
March 22, 2011
Utilities that build nuclear power plants pay profits to stockholders. The nuclear industry has over 50 years of profits to draw upon for new reactors, extended backup systems and waste disposal and should be kicked off of government and public cradle-to-grave subsidies. Stockholders should bear the responsibility for the Capital Costs, Liability and Risks (CCLR) instead of the general public. Utilities are more careful when they are fully responsible for the risk.

The first detailed cost estimate for federal loan guarentees, filed by Florida Power & Light (FPL) for a large plant off the Keys, came in at $12 billion to $18 billion. Progress Energy announced a $17 billion plan for a similar Florida plant. Georgia's Vogtle' 1 & 2 reactor construction costs were $19 Billion, not counting fuel and nuclear waste or for plant decommissioning which is estimated at $5 billion. Current Old reactors are having their permits constantly renewed as the waste is stored onsite and backup systems are no better than the failed diesel generators in Japan. Current nuclear industry liability is limited to $12.9 billion with the public (i.e. taxpayer) on the hook for all else.

Instead of the public taking all the capital costs, risk and liability in case of an accident; Utilities should be required to build closed loop waste reprocessing systems paid for by their profits, and get private financing and private insurance for the full risk amount. 50 years of subsidies is more than enough help from the taxpayer.

Here is a nice Nuclear Waste Options Graphic
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/what-can-be-done-with-nuclear-waste/2011/03/19/ABGFGNy_graphic.html
Jonathan Stauffer
Jonathan Stauffer
March 22, 2011
Let's not also forget about investing in technology and services that promote Energy Efficiency! Retrofitting our current buildings & infrastructure as well as improving the new will be just as much a part of the solution to our energy/climate crisis.
I recall that Amory Lovins had addressed this through the "Negawatt" concept. See this page as an example, http://www.ccnr.org/amory.html.
Effective work within energy conservation can reduce the amount of power that needs to be produced and the amount of new power generation required, whatever the sources may be.
Derek Boyle
Derek Boyle
March 22, 2011
The article is all over the place and could use more focus, but it's gets the conversation started.

Tokyo Electric Power Company skimped on redundant backup. After decades of profits to stockholders they also failed to invest in enough batteries to power cooling systems for 2 weeks, which is a technology readily available. Now it turns out that they were also negligent on inspections. It was an irresponsible mistake on their part.

Every week industry journals and reporting resources list cases of nuclear incidents and accidental discharges at US nuclear plants, often the result of mundane issue like failed generation, corrosive pipes or human error. See Utility publications Fortnightly, The Electricity Journal, Climatewire, E&E Daily, Greenwire and The Energy Daily.

Greenwire reported last week that:

"Japan's nuclear industry has a history of mismanagement and cover-ups. Utility executives been exposed in the past for their cozy relationship with regulators that are willing to cover up scandals and accidents. "Everything is a secret," said Kei Sugaoka, a former Japanese nuclear power plant engineer now living in California. "There's not enough transparency in the industry." Sugaoka, who worked for the same utility that runs the Fukushima Daiichi plant where workers are trying to prevent a meltdown, said he was once instructed to edit out footage that showed cracks in steam pipes from a video being given to regulators. When he went public with the order, three executives lost their jobs.

Other workers have reported hand-mixing uranium so it could be reused, exposing hundreds of workers to radiation. The industry has also covered up incidents including a 1997 fire that exposed 37 workers to radiation and a 1978 incident where control rods in one reactor were dislodged. Other accidents were not publicly reported until months or years later."
V. Bruce Stenswick
V. Bruce Stenswick
March 22, 2011
Let's not forget the big issue here,climate change. That means no fossil fuel power plants. Under those conditions, nuclear might be viable. I do not understand why no one has developed the pebble bed reactor, especially if they can develop a pebble bed breeder reactor that consumes our existing waste. No matter what, we should be spending much more on research, if not nuclear, geothermal--I guess.
ANONYMOUS
March 21, 2011
"A Nuclear accident "broadcasts" death in a way that no other form of any energy, conventional or RE is capable of. That is pure fact no matter how you slice it."
Unless you count, say, an oil spill that last for months in the Gulf of Mexico. No environmental impact or deaths THERE to speak of, are there? Only coal miners get killed when a mine collapses; does that make it acceptable? How about the people with emphysema who die from the coal-fired power plant's emissions? How about the people who's water is tainted with poisons by fracking, should we be waiting until they die en masse before condemining that?
Larry Fisher
Larry Fisher
March 21, 2011
"A Nuclear accident "broadcasts" death in a way that no other form of any energy, conventional or RE is capable of. That is pure fact no matter how you slice it."
Unless you count, say, an oil spill that last for months in the Gulf of Mexico. No environmental impact or deaths THERE to speak of, are there? Only coal miners get killed when a mine collapses; does that make it acceptable? How about the people with emphysema who die from the coal-fired power plant's emissions? How about the people who's water is tainted with poisons by fracking, should we be waiting until they die en masse before condemining that?
ANONYMOUS
March 19, 2011
William writes in comment #6:
"Futurists point out in classifying a given species, that two of the most important traits that define a primitive civilization are burning for energy and waring. Perhaps you feel Stephen(sic), it is inappropriate for us to move off that mark..... or even try...."

One can overemphasize the importance of "futurists;" they have a poor track record of predicting the future and little record for actualizing it. As for burning things for energy, I note that nuclear fission is quite different from burning so apparently William agrees that its use is not the action of primitives. I personally don't have problems with burning biomass but I don't adhere to such a narrow definition of what a primitive culture is that William advocates. Sadly, the ability of renewables to contribute to the energy infrastructure is still quite limited so our choices are restricted to nuclear or coal for large amounts of base load power. So I pose this questions to William: Do you really feel coal is the lesser of two evils here? If yes, is this opinion based on anything other than irrational fear?
Steven
William Fitch
William Fitch
March 19, 2011
Hi:

Wind, solar, hydro, bio-meth etc. are INCAPABLE of making land forever uninhabitable. A Nuclear accident "broadcasts" death in a way that no other form of any energy, conventional or RE is capable of. That is pure fact no matter how you slice it.
Looking at only the historical death records, ignoring the potential catastrophic results for each form of energy, is the worst kind of half truth.
Futurists point out in classifying a given species, that two of the most important traits that define a primitive civilization are burning for energy and waring. Perhaps you feel Stephen, it is inappropriate for us to move off that mark..... or even try....

.....Bill
ANONYMOUS
March 19, 2011
The author writes: "Renewable energy again will show itself to be the safest bet...."

Well it certainly has not done so thus far as renewable energy generation has led to the deaths of far more people than nuclear power. Consider the Banqiao Dam failure or the McDonald Dam failure. Perhaps Sklar wants to eliminate hydro power as well as nuclear power. Maybe he should also take a long look at the dangers of biomass. How many people have died of carbon monoxide poisoning due to a wood stove or furnace in their home or in a forest fire resulting from a poorly tended camp fire? And some claim that Chicago burned to the ground after a cow kicked over a lamp. Even wind farms are not perfectly safe--see this article:
http://www.wind-works.org/articles/BreathLife.html

Putting PV panels on rooftops isn't 100% safe either; in fact, this article:
http://nextbigfuture.com/2008/03/deaths-per-twh-for-all-energy-sources.html

suggests that when one measures deaths per TWh of energy generated the death rate for solar power exceeds that for nuclear power.

Even if we believed that renewable power could be made 100% safe, we don't have the technology to supply 100% of our electricity from such sources. The inescapable result of scaling back on nuclear power is that use of coal and natural gas would increase and death rates from those technologies are much higher than nuclear on a per unit of energy basis.

Risks are an inevitable part of life and those associated with nuclear power should be evaluated without hyperbolic rhetoric. Even the archaic second generation reactors have a pretty good safety record and recent events suggest some simple modifications that could have prevented most of the problems now being experienced in Japan. 3rd generation reactors will be even safer....
Steven
William Fitch
William Fitch
March 18, 2011
Hi:

"Brittle power" is a fantastic book. Got it when it first came out and could not put it down.
Another great read is "The Prize" by Yergin...

.....Bill
Glenn Doty
Glenn Doty
March 18, 2011
This is a good article and a great argument.

While I disagree with some of the alarmist notes that the author takes within the article, there is a solid and honest point made about undervaluing risk and noting that the unexpected might occur.

This article stands far above most of the anti-nuclear commentary in that regard. There's no panic-driven hoopla about "let's shut down all reactors now because we might get hit by a tsunami"... just an honest argument that the current rules offer an unfair subsidy to the nuclear industry in the form of the liability cap.

In 2009, Ontario was shopping for bids to build a nuclear power plant and required the bidders to shoulder all risks - both with manufacturing and liabilities... and the only compliant bid came in at over $10/W.

http://climateprogress.org/2009/07/15/nuclear-power-plant-cost-bombshell-ontario/

THAT is a valid, honest, and reasonable argument against nuclear power - it's very expensive once risk is assessed and priced into the package. This doesn't in any way imply that there is a direct threat just because Japan got hit by a tsunami.

It's merely a fair statement that liability should not be shouldered by the people.

Thank you Scott Sklar, for delivering a rational argument.
ANONYMOUS
March 18, 2011
While you indeed demonstrate some "the recent failures of nuclear power regulatory oversight," you don't really make the case set out in your headline, that nuclear power is "not clean, not safe." You just say that in the course of your diatribe, denigrating the technology as "an expensive way to boil water."
We can see your anger with the nuclear power industry, and with the "failures of policymakers and regulators in the past." It's understandable, given that you represent "clean, distributed energy users and companies," and teach a course in sustainable energy; they're your enemy. However, in pointing to such failures in the S&L "fiasco" and the recent global economic downturn, you're laying the blame on government, when it was private businesses taking advantage of regulatory loopholes and lack of oversight that created those disasters. Lay the blame where it belongs. And shame on you for belittling September 11 by ascribing it to government policies.
Such a slanted article. "Renewable energy again will show itself to be the safest bet, already attracting over $250 billion in global private sector investment in 2010, already installing more MWs per year in "clean and safe energy" than new nuclear power plants." Easy to say, when no new nuclear plant has been opened in the US in 30 years.
Take out an ad next time. You can say what you want, and nobody can criticize you for promoting your business. Otherwise, provide ALL the facts, and stick to them.

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Scott, founder and president of The Stella Group, Ltd., in Washington, DC, is the Chair of the Steering Committee of the Sustainable Energy Coalition and serves on the Boards of Directors of the Sustainable Buildings Industry Council, the...
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