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Is Cap-and-Trade Kaput?

By Elisa Wood, Contributor
March 23, 2011   |   32 Comments
While the U.S. has abandoned carbon trading, Europe is staying the course.

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32 Reader Comments
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March 23, 2011
It might be dead in this Congress, but there is much frustration with the climate change deniers, and I would not count out a backlash against the GOP the same way there was a backlash against big government.
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March 23, 2011
The problem is two fold; first there has been way too many distractions in the world for the US government to seriously sit down and debate climate regulation and the avenues needs to find some middle ground. In spite of the fact that the economy is growing too slow for investors to really get serious about investing in energy, the uncertainty about some form of cap on carbon or rather emissions being implemented kills trade. That being said the industry its self isn't helping; some of the large utilities are avoiding the right steps to ensure a sound US grid, rather they are after money only. Take PacifiCorp for example, they are pursuing additional combustion generation even though they know of storage projects in the works that would integrate wind without the high cost associated when using combustion; it actually makes no sense; they are trying to do business as usual even when they know storage will change the industry and it will never be the same again.
So when, not if, a cap on carbon comes, the industry will change for the better in spite of the resistance from both government and old school utilities. The sooner the better.
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lla
March 23, 2011
Cap and trade failed in the US Congress when both houses were controlled by the Democrats, so just to clarify, for Mitch, the Cap and Trade legislation was not supported strongly by either party. Perhaps, more pressure on our current legislators, could generate new legislation that can be supported by both parties and still accomplish the ultimate goal of reduced carbon emissions. Presidents Carter and Reagan got the power industry to clean up their emissions to some degree with the the Clean Air Act. Maybe, establishing new graduating standards for emissions can accomplish the reduction that we're looking for over time, without creating a carbon trading market that by design has a finite end.
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Anonymous
March 23, 2011
Progress on the ultimate goal of reducing carbon emissions should be somewhat automatic first by corn farmers currently awash in cash funding 2nd generation cellulosic ethanol plants because it only makes sense to utilize waste products to make further ethanol and then there is all that hot Texas wind. Construction of Tres Amigas to move wind power out of Texas and into the eastern grid should initiate efforts to put in place the final leg required to get lots of wind power into the national grid.
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March 24, 2011
The market based energy industry allows the grid as we know it to work, although it create numerous opportunities for the large rate based utilities to hedge their positions (income) A market transmission provider has a tough time breaking into the market just because utilities mostly run the balancing authority and can exercise questionable control on market forces. I disagree that cap and trade should follow the same outline but if clean air mandates were implemented and enforced some form of marketing agenda on carbon might work to incentivise better not more development of clean energy. The Ghg issue is important and needs addressing but its going to require changes in the power industry that will change "business as usual". There is reluctance in that industry for change, in spite of proven scenarios that would create a better more secure grid. Look at it this way; the simple fact is energy has to be used as it's produced and the amount of transmission needed to create that world is beyond comprehension; when storage is recognized for it benefits and those benefits are assigned a value that's marketable the entire power system will change for the better. Show me one industry that doesn't use some form of storage to smooth production and distribution; without something to force the energy industry into realizing that the system remains vulnerable to collapse from one action or another.
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March 24, 2011
As an investor in renewable energy, and an independent politically, I do not buy the them vs us argument. Cap and trade is simply a bad thing to do. If you want more action in carbon emmissions simply offer tax and other incentives to reduce those emmissions. This great country is the most powerful because we have had a free market system. Keep it free.
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March 24, 2011
Pollution is not free. As an investor how much would you pay AIG for insurance against catastrophic losses due to radiation leaks from a nuclear plant where you were part owner?
Cap and Trade is just a low cost means of mitigating your pollution insurance but of course investors get rich by paying off office holders to mandate that government take the losses while they get any profits or else all share holders of Japanese utility would be personally liable for all losses.
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Anonymous
March 24, 2011
The REGIONAL GREENHOUSE GAS INITIATIVE, or RGGI a compact between Canadian provinces and N.E. U.S. states is on the verge of collapsing; even Maine which was the primary promoter has a variety of legislation that will either weaken RGGI or outright abolish it, the Republican majority--governor & both the Senate and the House, strongly oppose continuing it.

Lots of reasons:
o It doesn't work, GHG's are increasing regardless of the compact;
o Carbon trading is a discredited element in the economy and perhaps the primary reason for RGGI;
o There are less dis-locative things the states can do, like following up on the Kyoto and Copenhagen resolutions to reforest by planting 'carbon' forests to cleanse the air of CO2 & particulates, stabilize watersheds and aquifers, sequester carbon, and enrich the air with oxygen---the increase in biomass over use is an economic benefit that fits into a traditional resource based economy.
o There is a massive shift over to Canadian hydro....cheap, abundant, more coming on line esp. with the merger of five provincial energy generating entities in New Brunswick and Nova Scotia....The example of Quebec's booming economy and power so inexpensive that 60% of the homes heat with electric.

Cap alone is acceptable, but the trading is def. out as an option!
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Anonymous
March 24, 2011
Climate change deniers? what happened to GLOBAL WARMING; or has it just been rebranded now that the weather statistics no longer support it? New England is still in the grip of yet another cold winter.
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March 24, 2011
To comment #6, the easiest way for corporations and rich people to get tax rebates is to invest in solar with a "cap and invest legislation". "Stay with carbon 'burn tec' and buy carbon credits, or, invest in solar and receive credit"). How is this not a strategy that helps the economy and promotes progress?
I appreciate this article and the picture it paints. I encourage all states to follow California and the ten eastern states making use of the RES and adopt the best working ideas. We must not delay. This strategy will not use (waning, except for war) government capital and it incentivizes solar and RE.
"Git-er-Done With the Sun!"
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March 24, 2011
To commments 8 and 9; Do your research! Your comments are groundless.

It seems the attack of "dirty fuel junkies" is inevitible. The addiction to cheap, easy to get, and dirty, poisonous fuel, is what seems status quo for those who are just begining on their journey toward deeper thinking. It was only an interim measure untill more sustainable venues could be developed anyway. So- can we move forward. It only seems to some that they may not deserve a peaceful and pollution free world, or that it may not even be possible. I know we do deserve it and we merely need to change direction and the next steps become obvious and beneficial to everyone as they are supported, rather than the self appointed few. Rehab only seems scary when you are still outside the door..
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March 24, 2011
Actually, cap and trade is alive and well in the US. It's called RPS and SREC (or WREC or just REC). 34 states now have Renewable Portfolio Standards (RPS) or similar programs that mandate utilities to supply x% of the power they sell from renewable sources by 20xx. To avoid penalties for non-compliance utilities are choosing to trade RECs, especially SRECs, on competitive exchanges in about six states and DC. They, almost alone, are driving solar in the dozen or so states that can access these SREC exchanges.

While some on the radical Right are trying to turn RPS programs back, other states are increasing the ultimate objectives from about 20% toward 30%. Some are on the verge of extending RPS mandates beyond the utilities. There seems little question in these states that RPS and SREC programs that such programs are beneficial to them, creating state revenues, private wealth and jobs.

Clearly, states that have not gotten on board are beginning to get left behind in numerous ways. Congress is flirting with the possibility of becoming extraneous, or having to stop the whole train to get on board late.
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March 24, 2011
Forget the "trade" and focus on the "cap" there is no denying that we (humans) have increased Ghg's; implementing tree planting programs is good but not enough. The merchant side of our energy system is working but doesn't seem to accept change and improvement. The induction of renewable energy is causing problems that must be addressed if we are to develop a healthier world. Cap emissions, impose penalties for non-compliance and allow common business sense to spur development of a viable system.
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March 25, 2011
As goes California, so goes the country, it is said. Let's hope. If clean, renewable energy and new forestry/ecosystem benefits continue to have 'traction' with the new generation, a post-peak oil, climate-variable future will be manageable.
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March 25, 2011
The problem with Cap and Trade is that it simply makes energy more expensive for all, with no upside in the reduction of greenhouse gases. The real purpose of Cap and Trade is income distribution.
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Anonymous
March 25, 2011
No research?.....so I checked and NOAA backs me up.

The amount of heating degree days in 2001-02 for my location was 6474.

In 2010-11 that increased to 6,728.

Is it getting colder; you bet it is.

Is CO2 increasing, Yes it is.

Do the stats. for my region validate cap N Trade? NO.
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March 25, 2011
To comment 15;
You don't believe that the use of solar energy will lessen the use of burntec? Perhaps you'd like a finger-snap solution over night? Wouldn't we all?
Yes, hopefully, Cap-n-trade will redistribute some income. It surely must. But I doubt that is it's foremost goal, but rather a lever that those who may lose their market leverage will use ti keep it from being implemented. Bottom line is that change must happen in energy production. The US's resistance to it marks this government as backward and entrenched in past established poisonous ways, just for the sake of old money . You will open to the good of change when you decide to change yourself.
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Anonymous
March 25, 2011
If you go here ftp://ftp.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/htdocs/products/analysis_monitoring/cdus/degree_days/archives/Heating%20degree%20Days/monthly%20states/2011/Feb%202011.txt you'll find this is a 3% increase for New England.

p.s. I love research and specialize in science policy research.
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Anonymous
March 25, 2011
Vermont signed a long term contract with HYDRO QUEBEC..in a 'finger snap'their rates went down 12% and the energy was completely green and renewable. Canada's provincial policy is to export as much green energy as they can produce. Quebec is 60% electric heated, and has a booming economy!
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Anonymous
March 25, 2011
One has to wonder what the impact on GHG's all that bombing over Libya has?
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March 25, 2011
Th comment 16;
Do you really believe your little part of the world makes up the whole? Do you know of anyone who has asthma or had lung cancer or other illnesses? Have you seen any Nat. Geographic, or NOVA Science programs that show arctic melting. Are they lying? Why?
But let's play your fear game. Suppose the earth is getting colder, in some places at least. It will require more energy to provide heat, and this heat can be gotten more cleanly and cheaply without burntec and thru solar collectors without the ongoing purchases of fuel. How is this not a beneficial thing?
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March 25, 2011
to Comment 17 - My point is that if we are serious about solving problems, then we shouldn't waste 100 trillion dollars on Cap and Trade so we can lower tempature .001 degrees over the next 100 years...We could eliminate poverty worldwide with that type of money and starvation causes around 2 million deaths a year, right now. Maybe we should solve that problem first which is real and present now. Not some theoretical model showing us catastrophies are around the corner. Do not get me wrong, definately climate is changing and change has impact. I suggest we start comparing where best too priotize what limited resources we have and spend them appropriately.
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Anonymous
March 25, 2011
My little corner of the world, as you so snidely put it, is the center of my universe and where my weather observatory is.

Funny,how people like yourself swallowed up the KYOTO recommendations when they came from data from only a handful of N. European universities and completely omitted the S. Hemisphere?

Or significant data like the impact of contrails in the upper atmosphere?

Falling water will keep me warm 24/7; while solar collectors, not so much....and we have plenty of water and plenty of gravity to last for the rest of my life!....and I can even drink it, that's how clean it is; or grow fish in it to eat; or paddle my kayak on as I go past broken solar collectors.
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March 25, 2011
To comment 15 - Reduce energy usage by the following:
a) Convert tractor trailer trucks to domestic LNG (T. Boone Pickens Plan) to massively grow economy.
Wind energy can supply 2o - 25% of US electrical needs but some things (rectifiers, i.e., tres amigas) are needed to move the energy to where its needed. Raise rates pay for upgraded grid to accommodate wind (T. Boone Plan).
b) Fuel cell cars (gets 4 times mileage) - Manufacturers have agreed to mass produce starting 2015. Mercedes awarded a fuel cell manufacturing plant last week and GM several weeks ago. Raise gasoline tax compensate manufacturers for new plants and provide incentives for new fuel pumps. Incent hydrogen fuel from waste like urine at dairy farms, commercial bldg, municiple treatment, etc., remainder from natural gas.
c) Renovation of commercial office bldg reduce energy usage 50%. Raise rates and provide cash incentives to energy star commercial bldg.
I can go on and on.
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March 25, 2011
Comment 24...Hey those are all good things if they happen in the free market and are not distorted by massive government subidy, that is where the problem lies with Forced Innovation, thta is using and forcing the removal of one product before an equitable replacement product is ready. Wind and Solar simply will not suffice for the amount of energy we need.
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Anonymous
March 25, 2011
I just ran across across a graph which analyzed campus energy use holding constant enrollment, temps, etc.

SURPRISE.....electrical use is climbing up and up on campus despite all the green marketing propaganda from campus outlets.

One culprit is the great increase in apt. electronics; the other is new campus housing filled with high amp electrical outlets.

seems like the more we save, the more we use!
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March 25, 2011
I have another surprise for you.

The world's temperature goes up and down every so often all the time. Not too long ago Britain had vineyards.

I love renewables because they make sense, but I think we can get there faster if people would calm down and be more practicle.

Those that make climate change a religion are doing us all a disfavour. God created the earth not "mother nature" and He wants us to keep it clean.

I fear some are also using it to further socialism. Let the free market take care of it. Government should encourage, of course, but not mandate.
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March 25, 2011
Ancient wisdom warns to put our faith in GOD and not markets or your gold calf with be gouged.
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March 25, 2011
To 27; That's only one way to see it.
I say it is the other way. God Created your Holy Mind of Truth, and that is all. Nature, or evolution, created the entire universe and the world you see with your bodies eyes. What you see with Spirit is according to One Truth, not your ego. God has no investment in the earth. That would require judgement, which He does not do against us. We, the human race, are responsible for the world we see. It is up to us to make of it what we will. You are safe in the Mind of God. On the earth, not so much, and up to you. The good news is that you can change it any time you want. I changed my world, and it's a Solar Sweetlife. We are the cause of the world, not an effect of it.
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March 26, 2011
Many great comments such as Migueliprado's #27. Cap and trade how dumb can that be? Pollute like crazy if you stick a seedling in the ground there?

I had a firsthand look at enviromental pollution at a plant in VA. They would blend lousy coal with cleaner coal so they fell exactly on the line of legal. All the EPA has to do is inform industry of their 5 year enforcement plan and industry will either meet it or plan on shutting down, when they can no longer afford to be in business.
Sorry al gore & king obama.

Good Luck from Columbiana, Alabama
Maurice Turgeon
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lla
March 27, 2011
It appears that most of us agree....put a cap, but leave the trade out of it. Well,to get that started amend the Clean Air Act with stricter standards and use the existing EPA to enforce the regulations. That would be a whole lot cheaper for the tax payer than creating new legislation and new agencies that the proposed cap and trade bill establishes. What we don't need are more agencies and more cost.....and to commenter 30, you summed up cap n trade quite succinctly.

It still boils down to what the citizens demand of our congress...(the last election showed us all that we do carry a big stick, re-election) With the cost of any oil based fuel rising and our primary sources under political unrest...maybe now is the time to demand. Those demands must be based on strong economic benefits and logical progression to oil independence.....not the emotional rhetoric of "climate change"..or anti "climate change". Sorry, commenter 29, whether I agree or not with your premise...your approach won't work to accomplish the change we all want.
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Anonymous
March 28, 2011
I've been involved in some way with air pollution legislation since 1968....and I'e learned one thing.

If you want the job done; pay to have either abatement equipment or using tax/grant incentives to switch to cleaner technology.

All this regulation & enforcement devolves into a job security program for environmental lawyers; and paying for 'their' lawyers increases the cost of goods & services and paying for 'our' lawyers increases taxes and the size of government.

With ICE vehicles being a primary contributor to air pollution; I've never seen a politician who had the stones to lower the speed limits to 55. They prefer to rail against greedy profit driven corporations run by evil capitalists, and then drive away in a big SUV to catch a jet somewhere.
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