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Citizenre is Back: Will the Company Deliver?

By Stephen Lacey, Editor
February 14, 2011   |   12 Comments

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awb
February 15, 2011
My comment is really about the business model, which SunRun and SolarCity also utilize in their own way. Word has it that SunRun was the stalking horse for the FHFA when they and their minions, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, put the kibosh on PACE.

This seems like a reasonable thing for SunRun to try to do, given that they are essentially a PPA company that would be marginalized if folks could get the money for their solar systems upfront from the municipality/county and pay it back over 20 years as an assessment on their taxes. PACE would be considerably cheaper for the solar customer, who would now be the owner of an asset with 25+ year durability and very low O&M costs (of course some owners might choose to keep the installer on "retainer" for maintenance, etc., but that's no big deal).

This is the long way of saying, if PACE gets back on track (and it might just end up getting bipartisan support, given its "States Rights" argument, which Republicans just love), "There goes the business model," for SunRun, SolarCity and Citizenre, regardless of how well they each execute.

Additionally, it would cut out the returns that these companies' investors would receive, in SunRun's case a $100,000,000 infusion from PG&E. Hmm, that raises another question about Big Utility trying to co-opt distributed generation for their own balance sheets. Maybe I'm just being paranoid about entrenched fossil interests trying to keep the customer on the teat...

Bottom line, it wouldn't appear that any solar lease model will thrive in a world of PACE. Much less a world of FITs, but that's another story.
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2 of 12
February 15, 2011
I disagree, awb. PACE is or could be a great program for the increased adoption of energy efficiency and solar, however, certain requirements of this program would have allowed PPA/Leases to continue thriving.

Ex - Home equity requirements. On top of being a "touchy subject" this greatly reduces the amount of homeowners who would have the ability to use PACE. Whereas with a PPA/Lease there generally is no home equity requirement.

A perfect program would be one that has minimal/easy requirements (credit score) and positive cash flow for the majority of homeowners. Currently, the best programs are PPA/Leases.
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3 of 12
February 15, 2011
Very interesting. I've been following this thread since 2006, too, and I must admit that I was shocked to hear the 20M funding announcement. Unfortunately, now CitizenRE has to duke it out with established lease and services players named above that have been building up their credibility and expertise while CitizenRE went back into stealth mode to regroup.

I'll be following this one.
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Anonymous
February 16, 2011
CitizenRE and Adam Capital deserve each other--pond scum needs water to grow.
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5 of 12
February 16, 2011
Funny,

When I read this I couldn't help but laugh, what a joke this deal was from start, the laughing stock of the solar industry, all hype and no substance. And we are suppose to celebrate over a measly 20M in funding, how far is that going to get them with their crap reputation? I wouldn't go with CitizenRe for free.

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6 of 12
February 16, 2011
Could not agree more with the comments above- just do a simple search on them and see how many people have actually placed deposits down with them- no wonder there is no credibility. Unfortunately, this hurts the entire solar industry- by association. Only one word can accurately describe their offering- SCAM!
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7 of 12
February 16, 2011
It took a long time and a lot of hard work on the part of reputable solar PV companies to overcome the early solar DHW black-eye debacle of early times. CitizenRE SHOULD do the solar industry a big favor and "go gentle into that good night".
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8 of 12
February 16, 2011
The Internet reveals all, and any consumer wondering about Citzenre is going to get a lot of negative feedback from the web...at least for now.

I've had my own little back and fourth with one of their minions recently, and they refused to reveal who their subcontracted installers were, saying that this was proprietary information. Huh? If they want to restore their credibility, the first thing they should reveal is who is actually doing their installs. If these are veteran solar installers with NABCEP and a large number of residential installs under their belt, then that will go a long way to regaining some credibility. However, the fact that they are keeping these installers under their hat leads me to believe that they're trying to hide something... like their inexperience. If you want solar street cred, why wouldn't you reveal your installer partners? Very strange, but of course we're talking about Citizenre.
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9 of 12
February 17, 2011
"Big banks" jumping in to help meter the sun? Anytime the big banks want to "help" you can be sure big profit is going their way.....great!

Publish the "solid terms" for these so-called "leases". That way we can clearly see how much profit is being taken out as opposed to the true system cost.
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10 of 12
February 19, 2011
Stephen, you should send a bill to CitizenRE for business consulting. Your article is full of research, objective information, and on-point questions that could help them form their basic business plan.

Yet their written answers read like jargon filled double-speak.
There's no "there" there. Odd they didn't at least change their name since last go round.

At least they make interesting fodder for us peanut gallery industry-watchers.
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July 2, 2011
Now ya'll can sit here and kick Greg's Idea to hell and back ,but he was the first to put out there the concept of doing
exactly what he set out to do on an enormous scale...Sure the Guy did not listen to me in 1994 and go get the funding first. then go after the individual PPA's but as my childhood hero so eloquently put it...
"he who laughs last... laufs bes'cuase"

Stop judging CitizenRE.. till you have walked I mile in their shoes. I personally know exactly how it feels to be strong along like a puppet by All those POWERS THAT BE..ie Investment Bankers, so called ANGEL INVESTORS, seed capital providers...they all speak with forked tongue...

SolarManJD
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Anonymous
February 21, 2012
My girlfriend signed me us as a Citizenre "Eco" years ago and I have checked in here and there to see if anything was happening with the company. David Gregg was on a call last year announcing that they were going to take over the world. Last I heard the sales force had been waiting to be paid for months and they were neither paying commissions or installing solar systems. We tried to call the office last year and nobody ever picked up the phone. They had a great idea and lots of excitement a few years back and I thought with such a strong sales force it would be just a matter of time before the company would grow. It really looks like the nay-sayers were right about the companies ability to sell but not deliver. After so many years the whole story is old and played out .
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