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The Transmission Imperative for Renewables

By Martin Gross, ABB
January 31, 2011   |   13 Comments

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Anonymous
February 1, 2011
We need to spend more efforts on distributed generation by residents and businesses. Utilities are a dinosaur that served their purpose for a hundred years under a regulated environment. The costs for new transmission should be rechanneled to more onsite generation by consumers. Otherwise it's like phone companies putting up more land lines instead of cellular towers.
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Anonymous
February 1, 2011
Regarding the Anonymous comment #1, onsite generation--even if done with fossil fuels--is extremely expensive. If one uses available renewables you also need storage or grid connection (in which case much of the "onsite" generation is actually used elsewhere anyway). The electricity grid is not a dinosaur, it is a modern marvel that is only going to become more important as we try to rely on greater amounts of intermittent resources. A few rural isolationists may be able to live off grid, but the rest of us need the efficiency that comes from the use of collective resources to obtain affordable energy. Modern societies provide high standards of living for large populations only through interdependence. We would no more want every individual to be responsible for generating their own energy then we would want them to have to grow their own food or manufacture their own pencils....
Steven
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February 1, 2011
Wind and Solar are overpriced and underperforming energy "supplements." Adding these Transmission costs make them even sillier.
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February 1, 2011
Do we need a bigger grid? Why not just smarter. If just a portion of independant producers did what they could, by all means not most, the grid could disperse the gain. The nightime production is mostly unused now. That works well with solar production. And don't forget that most homes and SB's could make their own solat thermal heating. That accounts for over half on national energy that would not need to be transmitted on the grid at all. This article seems to be stumping for the utilities will to control the US power supply, and do it with gov't grants. With the right programs to get people moving in truly helpful directions things could change far more positively and for less expenditure. The Ute's are counting on you sitting back and letting them fleece, er, help you to buy from them only.
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February 1, 2011
Andrew_W, I wonder why you are registered here unless to just troll around...
If Solar and Wind are subsidized to the extent that oil, gas, and coal is, and the true cost of oil, gas, and coal use is factored in (environmental remediation, healthcare from polluted air and water, ruined ecology, not to mention global warming) than there is no doubt that Solar and Wind technology is not only competitive but cheaper in the long run. Our current reliance on these dirty fossil fuels continues to create problem that our children and their children on for several generations will be paying for in their health, economic woes, and deteriorated life experiences.
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February 2, 2011
@BrianSherwood: Wind and Solar schemes are NOT competitive. Cheer all you want, but that doesn't make it true.

Many of us recognize the need to find a SOLUTION to our energy needs. We also reject the silly idea that wind and solar are a solution, when they are simply over-priced and under-performing supplements. Add the missing transmission costs and they're even sillier.

It's math Brian. Some of us use math. Get used to it.
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February 2, 2011
Wind and solar are part of the solution however their variable nature has to be addressed. Distributed generation though nice to have if done right, does cause issues that need addressing - yet the solutions are expensive in spite of IT technology. The only application available to defer more transmission building is large grid sized storage; not only does it increase transmission capacity it "smooths the variable nature of renewable energy, allows for frequency regulation, reduces line loss and can time shift renewable energy to where and when needed. Siting of large cost intensive storage is difficult but do-able, in fact its happening now. Studies will start shortly to model the economic value plus the reliability factors. For the user side proponents of distributed generation when asking for a loan to put solar on their roof they should include the cost of storage so they can make their system work effectively; without storage on both sides of the grid we face a world that will have to get use to black outs, brown outs and increased energy costs. Islanded energy hubs are fine if all involved are willing to pay the price and be involved with maintenance and upgrade but that isn't usually the case; that's how we come to form utilities. We were willing to pay someone to do our jobs. A complete grid with appropriate storage and controls will give us a secure grid and help replace combustion generation down the road but not until the government pulls it's head out and looks at the bigger picture and sees that siting and licensing requirements needs be refined to accommodate the placement of energy storage and transmission at a lower cost.
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February 2, 2011
Good article, it shows that industry and governments around the world are waking up to realize that modernization of the electric power distribution system is vital to economic vitality.
It is great to see that HVDC and superconducting technologies are being brought into the mix together with smart grid power management systems. Collectively, the writing on the wall indicates that the future is one where electric power generation is provided by many sustainable sources.
This article misses out on the impressive Tres Amigas superconducting linkage to be built in New Mexico (http://www.tresamigasllc.com/).
For those interested, here is a good link to the renewable transofrmation on Canada's West Coast (http://www.bcenergyblog.com/)
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Anonymous
February 2, 2011
Let me just come out and say this: A de-centralized, yet interconnected, and intelligent (meaning load shared, as much as can on-site generated,interconnected, and rapidly increasing renewable) grid is the only transitional apparatus that will get us in the direction of true sustainability and best use of our resources. Also let me add that a profit motive in renewables and energy in general is hurting us and will continue to do us in thoroughly. If we do not have the guts to shift this paradigm, and I mean the whole banana - towards intelligent, analytical without a profit motive, and big word here, 'fair' distribution of resources and best use of them - well then grab your ankles and kiss it and the future for your children Goodbye.
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Anonymous
February 2, 2011
There is another way to create efficient transmission systems with minimal line losses and interferences. Why continue with 500kV transmission lines when they are not needed. craig@etienengineering.com
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February 3, 2011
I think many of you are missing the point. The real challenge is to be able to build the renewable energy supplies close to the consumers.

For this, you need a sustainable, clean, base-load generation system in GW sizing that can be built essentially anywhere and produces inexpensive electricity. Where are all these systems? Ah, THAT is the challenge! I agree in advance that it will always be difficult to balance consumers and generators, but minimising the transportation of electricity will also minimise the losses and costs associated with the transmission, and make electrical energy less expensive, rather than more expensive.

For the record, there is one system that will provide the quantity and quality of electricity at the place where it is needed. Please check out http://GEOCOGEN.net to see where the future is being developed today.
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February 3, 2011
The key to getting these long-range transmission lines laid is getting the land owners and local populace involved long before the wiring takes place. All the PUC regulation in the world is not going to win over someone who thinks the government is riding roughshod over their private land. (Unless you're in China where the people really don't get a choice.)
Building the RE sources close to the consumers is ideal, but for the most part doesn't work in reality. When you have to power a city the size of Chicago, you can't go planting a 100-fan wind farm in Schaumberg.
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February 11, 2011
Transmitting electrical energy in wires over the cold ground is an example of money wasted by money people. Thats where Westinghouse told Tesla to get out of his office. In transmitting electricity to NY city from the Niagara power project, over half of it is lost in heat energy in the transmission lines. If stupid were gold ...
This theory that we can power our entire infrastructure as well as transportation is simply wishful thinking in the windmill industry alone. Adding solar panels to the mix hardly causes a blip on the energy cardiological EKG. And in spite of large amounts of cash funneled into nuclear energy, it is not a readily renewable energy. Nope, you are going to have to look much harder in the solar direction if you really want to see a viable energy solution. And not thin film. Rain, evaporation, condensation, rain is the answer. One of Solars great achievements. And with the Middle East figuring out that us dumb Americans are without their Muslim god, oil energy is going to get real expensive. It's time to quit goofing around and look seriously into a science that will replace energy on this planet forever without destroying her ecosystem, and maybe even correcting some of the damage already done. I am a scientist, and I do not have much of a sense of humor regarding stupidity mixed with greed, and this type of post angers some with those limitations, so this will be the only invitation you will get. Go to www.heavyhydraulicoscillation.com to see the solar answer to mans need for energy, and preview what the future holds for us all in regard to truly renewable energy. Enough energy to sustain all wants and needs of the American and Canadian people forever, as well as anyone else on the planet, Christian, Muslim, Judaism, Shinto, Buddhism, Scientology, Satanism, or whatever. Then maybe, just maybe, everyone will become calm in their tiny universal existence, and Peace will reign. Not.
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