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China & The US: Opportunity or Threat in the Green Revolution?

By Elisa Wood, Contributor
December 29, 2010   |   14 Comments
The number of green relationships being established between the US and China is on the increase but does that mean these two giants can see past their differences?

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Anonymous
December 30, 2010
Great article on Greentech Media about the US/China WTO wind dispute: http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/wto-wind-industry-throwdown-u.s.-vs-china1/

China will wait for a WTO decision, but in that time all of their manufacturers will be competing with (and likely beating) established companies.
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2 of 14
December 30, 2010
I think China can do it on its own without cooperation from the US. Globally, the US is more or less a late comer to the party and thinks too highly of itself in importance
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Anonymous
December 30, 2010
China should have interest in the production of fossil fuel free ammonia & char (SynGest, http://www.syngest.com/)
and the 52% conservation of NH3 in composting with chars, are just the newest pathways for the highest value use of the fractionation of biomass.

The Soil Carbon Standard committee's work with USDA, EPA and Congressional Ag committees offers real hope, with expansion to ISO status, the world can all be on the same soil carbon page.

Biochar systems for Biofuels and soil carbon sequestration are so basically conservative in nature it is a shame that republicans have not seized it as a central environmental policy plank as the conservatives in Australia have with their; "Carbon sequestration without Taxes".

Given our election in the USA, the bipartisan potential that soil-C solutions hold to get climate legislation moving is more important than ever. The ambiguity in pricing carbon, leaves companies to take charge. Look at last months news on WalMart's sourcing local produce. Training small farmers etc.
The old story of vendors going to Bentonville and beat with rubber hoses for the lowest price has radically changed. Now the rubber hoses are used in the name of energy efficiency and full cradle to cradle life cycle analysis. Their Sustainability Indexing Program will now take that data to formulate true carbon foot print labeling, empowering consumer's choice.

My Dad, a cold warrior, gave this short answer when asked about Mutually Assured Destruction or MAD defense policy,
"GIVE ME Liberty or GIVE ME Half-Life"

While I envision an offensive policy of Mutually Assured Sustainability (MAS) in a new "Green Cold War" . Based on carbon accountancy, the rules are simple; Who ever moves more Carbon from the air to the Soil wins, but so does second place, as third and so on.

Since we have filled the air, filling the seas, Soil is the Only Beneficial place left.
Carbon to the Soil, the only ubiquitous and economic place to put it.
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Anonymous
December 30, 2010
Serge Borys of Quadra Projects Inc. (QPRJ.OB) has boots on the ground in China, and reactor production. http://quadraprojects.com/

The grass roots organizations in SE Asia may also prove collaborative.
Organizations;
http://terrapreta.bioenergylists.org/organizations
Country;
http://terrapreta.bioenergylists.org/country

This full list of companies;
Companies;
http://terrapreta.bioenergylists.org/company
Products;
http://terrapreta.bioenergylists.org/materials

Erich J. Knight
Chairman; Markets and Business Review Committee
US BiocharConference, at Iowa State University,
http://www.biorenew.iastate.edu/events/biochar2010/conference-agenda/agenda-overview.html
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5 of 14
December 30, 2010
Janine Benyus has interesting plans for China and India that focus on the natural cycles of water and nutrients. What comes up in a search changes quickly, but I comment the videos of her speeches, if you can find them.
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6 of 14
December 30, 2010
The U.S. is a very late comer in the clean energy sector because of oil and coal and without China and India, the U.S. will fall even further behind. Because of the U.S.'s un-willingness to give of oil and coal, the U.S., in a short time, could become the world's biggest polluter and fall into a third-world economy.
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7 of 14
December 30, 2010
This EXCELLENT article describes what seems to me to be a microcosm of the current question by political economies everywhere: cooperate or compete and/or how to do both across two so different political platforms. The Wilson Center panel in October was a valuable synopsis of the global energy-climate issue and included some very good questions from the audience. It is worth watching.

Perhaps the author of the above posting by JamesDavis has by now reconsidered his comment about the US being a very late comer to clean energy. Or has he forgotten the 70s and early 80s when the US probably had a 10 year lead on both thermal and PV solar and wind as well. Regardless, thanks for the good article and discussion.
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8 of 14
December 30, 2010
Fantastic article no doubt, but while China and the US talk other countries like Denmark and Germany are at full swing in the Renewable Energy movement. We have a lot to learn from these and other countries. Lets stop the useless arguments and get with the program, the time is now...
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January 2, 2011
JamesDavis has a point that the US is falling into a 3rd world economy and sliding into a depression. Unfortunately that is the most bullish thing that we know how to do for the environment. In the end, we all need each other, so hopefully after WW-3 is over and there are about 1 billion people left on earth it is not too late to set up a more sustainable system.
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January 5, 2011
For Information, details at www.renewableenergypumps.com
1. Wave Gear Drive System-WGD
The WGD system provides wave power leveling to provide constant power through the whole cycle of the wave of 360 degrees. This is achieved by means of local energy storage above the "Construction Unit", capacitors and/or high inertia fly wheels.
The equipment used ar the following:
a. Wave Air Pump-WAP: Compresses a small quantity of air to a high pressure; collects and feeds it to the air inlet of a turbo generator. Fuel is injected as needed to maintain required turbo generator output at reduced fuel consumption irrespective of availability of waves. Adding a "fogging system" (injecting water vapor into the turbine inlet air) will further improve the efficiency of the turbo generator.
b. Wave Gear Drive Pump-WGDP: The float directly drives a pump through a set of pulleys and reduction gear to pump a small quantity of water to a high head; collect and feed it to a hydro-turbo generator to generate electric power. The wave water pump can be either:
I. A WWP, reciprocating wave water pump..
II. A WWP rotary wave water pump
c. Wave Gear Drive Generator-WGDG: The float directly drives a Generator through a set of pulleys and reduction gear, to directly generate electric power. The generator can be:
I. A synchronous AC Generator where Alternating voltage is conditioned, synchronized and feed to a step up transformer for transmission through a cable to the shore.
II. A DC Generator where Direct Current voltage is conditioned, converted to AC voltage, synchronized and feed to a step up transformer for transmission through a cable to the shore.
2. WGD System Output
Waves have energy ranging from 3.8 to 432 KW for 0.75 to 8 meters height respectively per 1.5 meters of wave front. Total average power generated range between 0.24 and 111.1 KW per wave pass, that is 360 degrees. For comparison, total efficiency of turbo generators is of the order of 31 to 35%.
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January 5, 2011
"China brings to the table its cheap manufacturing capability and the US its high tech know-how."

While China does have the edge on cheaper manufacturing capability, it is also rapidly coming up to speed in the high tech know-how in many fields as more and more American trained Chinese engineers and scientists are returning to there native country. If the U.S. is not careful it may lose its "high tech know-how" edge within the next decade especially when you consider the relative condition of the secondary education systems in the two countries. Our reliance on our "high tech know-how" as our competitive edge may very well be a case of hubris - the pride that goes before the fall
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January 6, 2011
thanks for the article. I have post in my blog with.

http://aragonbiomasa.blogspot.com/2011/01/las-mayores-oportunidades-del-sector-de.html
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Anonymous
January 6, 2011
What an excellent article! It pretty much sums up what is going on in the world today. China and the U.S., combined consuming almost half of all the world's non-renewable resources, are also huge in the market to install alternative energy. At times they are competitors, and at times they act like partners. What the future holds, no one knows, but we all hope that there will in fact be a future, which seems more likely if the two super-powers live in peace and work cooperatively.
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January 6, 2011
China is cooperating with anybody who has skills someone there is interested in.

Look at the design/contract/build lists for the Olympics. They appear to have put things out to bid, then cherry-picked.

That's what I liked about a business trip there. It was as good as having been around the world. They were busy pilot-projecting the ideas that had been brought to them by paying visitors.

The U.S. seems to send people out to look at things.

This was actually an idea that Eisenhower endowed, to get U.S. people out more, interacting with people he did not want U.S. elites to pick fights with.

I'm not sure how that is working out for the U.S. It would certainly seem more efficient to stay home and have the consultants pay to visit.

In the alternative, a country could let its people innovate in their garages and basements, as they are unemployed, and then tax them royally if they emerge and can somehow go to scale.

It a very interesting topic.
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