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Solar and Energy Storage - A Perfect Match

By John Battaglini, International Battery and Michael F. Reiley, Wailuku, HI
October 19, 2010   |   10 Comments

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The success of the MEDB project has garnered attention from a wide group of Hawaii renewable energy stakeholders including national labs, utilities, the PUC, and multi-megawatt scale solar and wind providers.

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October 20, 2010
Thanks for the status report on this. I can't wait, keep up the good work. It seems like information flow on the internet itself is nice model for how energy distribution should work.

Are we facing any major shortages with any precious metals other than Li that may be needed for large-scale implementation?

Secondly, I noticed that we're talking millions of dollars of DOE funding. That's nice, but doesn't big oil spend that kind of money as an appetizer, not to mention the additional trillions that they require for military support? How are renewables ever going to get on a fair playing field?
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October 20, 2010
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October 20, 2010
Will "Dear Occupant" be able to afford these batteries to store their excess solar energy? Liquid metal batteries holds mega watts and cost less than our current lead acid batteries.
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October 20, 2010
The problem with the li-ion technologies is that they are power applications and not energy applications.

"Ramp up/down and power smoothing are of special interest for bringing large renewables onto the grid without destabilization. These applications require high power and energy with the ability to discharge the batteries at rates that are multiples of the battery capacity (C-rate). Lab data, shown in Fig. 2, demonstrates the ability to meet a 5MW ramp up/down requirement of three and five minutes, respectively."

That capability of short pulses for 3-5 minutes is good and helps stabilize the grid. However, diesel generators still need to be ramped up if the cloud cover lasts more than a few minutes, and to extend power supply into the afternoon and early evening.

Better to use an energy storage system that can provide quick ramp, multiple cycling and extended energy (for hours). The VRB(tm) flow battery fits this application and was originally considered for Hawaii. However, the fiscal crisis of late 2008 halted VRB flow battery installations, caused consolidation, and slowed down acceptance. Then the massive incentives dumped on power tool and car batteries in 2009 caused many energy storage new-comers to try and find grid applications for these limited energy resource systems. Better to reconsider systems that provide multiple energy benefits, not just power quality.

More information on the VRB system is at www.utility-savings.com.
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October 22, 2010
The best storage is the many new EV electric vehicles. They sit 90% of the time and can regul;ate the GRID, charging at night Off Peak and selling On Peak when needed. V2G is being tested by Univ of Delaware and google. ACPropulsion who licensed the Tesla ,Mini E and eBox has this built into their controllers.

Having vehilces and the GRID work together in a SMART GRID is really smart.
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6 of 10
October 22, 2010
Fly Wheels can provide both storage and stabilization. They ramp up and down very quickly. Beacon Power has 1 MW units used in series. A 20 MW unit is going in Spencertown NY. Very high speed with frictionless magnetic bearings.
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October 23, 2010
Hawaii is the perfect location to be able to use the deep water surrounding the islands to utilise boys submerged in deep water.

Excess energy from the solar panels can be used to pull down buoys to a great depth which will be held there until needed, this being the times when solar energy is not available. The stored energy can be utilised by allowing the buoys to rise driving generators. The cost of this is infinitesimal compared to batteries and can utilise scrapped tyres to form large cylindrical buoys.Furthermore the cost of producing the buoys will merely be labour which in the present conditions appears to be available.

Other costs would be securing deep sea anchors, pulleys and cable to control the buoys. Plus of course the motors and generators.

It may be worth a thought.
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October 26, 2010
Nice comment Jim. Of course sharing the battery charge thru the use of solar rooftops (for residents and businesses), solar carports and electric cars will alleviate the situation. Factories using solar assisted robotics will also have reserve battery charge at times.
Much of the charge needed to get thru the cloudy days will be shared by the general population and industry. Using wind to assist the solar will ratchet the problem down another notch. The side benefit over time will be the general populace having more spending income.
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October 26, 2010
AEP's Community Energy Storage is a good idea. It distributes the batteries into the communities where they can be closer to the distributed generation provided by the rooftop solar Photovoltaic panels. The CES systems can still be recharged by the utility's big centralized generator, but may not need be for months at a time.
Decentralized power generation and storage is a key factor to reduce the need for additional transmission lines across the landscape. This would be a defered expense for the utility.
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October 26, 2010
jim-stack-36988: Using EV's for grid regulation at night may be a good idea but no good for storage of solar during the day. The lithium battery can be pulse charged to control HZ, but you can't discharge power unless they incorporate additional technology in the car, increasing cost. And they are no good at storing solar during the day while being driven or parked at their destination, and they aren't good for storing or discharging hours of storage generated by solar.

WillDeliver: Community Energy Storage is good idea in concept, but there are many questions about the type of battery they would use. Used EV batteries are a very questionable idea, and couldn't be used for hours of storage needed by solar.

bob-freeston-133871: Flywheels are good for Hz regulation but not hours of storage from solar. Cost is high - Beacon building 20 MW / 5 MWHr systems for $40 to $60 million of taxpayer money on current projects. $2000 - $3000 per kW or $8,000 to $12,000 kWhr.
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