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The Facts About Wind Energy and Emissions

By Michael Goggin, AWEA
September 1, 2010   |   38 Comments
Anti-wind groups are attempting to defy the laws of physics with their claims.

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September 1, 2010
Perhaps the author would like a dose of big wind reality...the deceptive advertising and marketing based on 'nameplate' calculations of power produced; the corruption of PUC officials; and the emerging facts on the true cost of wind farms on long cherished wild landscapes.

I think he needs a reality check.

First, he should check the output from a multi-million wind turbine at UMPI which in August was at only 8% of nameplate capacity...http://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/umpi-wind-turbine-scores-a-58?xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_url Facts are taken right off the meters.

Second, he should read Naomi Shalit's expose of KURT ADAMS..."Ex-PUC head enriched by utility company
Some criticize timing of Adams' 'equity' deal with First Wind
4/21/10 08:20 pm Updated: 4/22/10 10:32 am
By Naomi Schalit
Senior Reporter ©Maine Center for Public Interest Reporting" at http://www.bangordailynews.com/detail/141729.html and commentary at http://www.asmainegoes.com/content/kurt-adams-received-stock-award-first-wind-resigning-chairman-mpuc-maines-ag-investigates.

Then he should find out why the company which made and 'sold' the wind turbine to the city of SACO went O.O.B. and abandoned it; and then go to the reasons why Kittery is removing its turbine when it 'failed to meet contract specifications'.....ah, those tight fisted town managers.

Then he should get into the site prep., grid connectivity, grid redundancy----Europe has had to build large pumped storage generation stations to fill in when the wind output drops; meaning there is now an expensive redundancy in the system.

And if he still has any courage to face the facts, he can answer the question on why Denmark's CO2 emissions haven't been reduced because of the wind turbines? ....that is if you want to use CO2 as a 'yardstick'.
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September 1, 2010
Frank, a few comments:

First, I can't say I'm convinced by your argument that, because the output of a single wind turbine that you cherry-picked was somewhat low for one month, therefore the output of all turbines everywhere must always be low. Especially when the data show that the overall wind fleet has been very productive:
http://eetd.lbl.gov/ea/emp/reports/lbnl-3716e.pdf

Second, yes, let's please talk about Denmark. If you look at the data, you'll see that Denmark is a tremendous success story in how wind energy can drastically reduce emissions of carbon dioxide and other harmful pollutants. In fact, Denmark's electric sector carbon dioxide emissions have fallen by nearly 50% over the last two decades, as they have gone from having very little wind capacity to being the world leader in obtaining their electricity from wind. (DOE data here: http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/country/country_energy_data.cfm?fips=DA )

If you look at the data, you'll see that Denmark's electricity consumption increased by 24% from 1991 to 2007, so we know that demand-side energy efficiency was not responsible for the decline in emissions over that time period. So, the solution must have come on the electricity supply side.

Wind energy output increased from 0.7 billion kWh in 1991 to 6.58 billion kWh in 2008, a nearly ten-fold increase of 6 billion kWh. Fossil fuel generation declined from 33 billion kWh in 1991 to 24 billion kWh in 2008, a decline of 9 billion kWh. Biomass power increased from .3 billion kWh to 3.67 billion kWh, accounting for the other 3 billion kWh of decrease in fossil generation. As a result of this increase in renewable energy output (2/3 wind, 1/3 biomass), coal consumption decreased from 15 million tons in 1991 to 7.8 million tons in 2008, a decline of nearly 50%, which explains why electric sector CO2 emissions also fell by nearly 50% over that period.

Michael Goggin
American Wind Energy Association
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Anonymous
September 1, 2010
Good article Michael! Thank-you for writing it!

I don't remember a time in my life when the fossil fuel industry was not actively engaged in a misinformation campaign of some kind. I always assume the reason their claims make no sense, is because they don't actually need to convince people that what they say is true, but rather they just need to introduce enough confusion into the public discourse, that it slows down the forces of change. (FUD tactics).

Also, I laughed out loud when I read Mr Heller's comment above. Seriously, who would respond to an article about a misinformation campaign by throwing out a bucket of obvious misinformation.

Bill
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September 2, 2010
Good article. Just a couple of comments with regard to the input by Frank Heller. Building of pumped hydro storage in the UK has not been predicated by renewable energy it has been a feature of the UK's energy infrastructure for years. The purpose is demand management. Frank raises a good point about RE and energy storage but infrastructure development shouldn't be seen as a barrier to progress.

The key to the debate is to remove the adversarial tone and accept that while RE develops in technology and market penetration both fossil fuels and RE are part of the energy mix. Peak oil is a reality, climate change is a reality and new technology is required.

Finally Europe is not forced to do this, it chooses to do this because it sees the depletion of natural resources and the instability that it will cause as being avoidable with timely development of renewable energy resources.
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September 2, 2010
Great article - we just put up something similar on our campaign site, dealing more with the original source of Bryce's piece, which is a libertarian blog called masterresource:

http://www.embracemyplanet.com/blog/archive/201008/anatomy-wind-myth-part-1
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September 2, 2010
September 2, 2010
Mr. Goggin, I am fairly certain your figure on wind energy output (6.58 billion kwh for 2008) is not accurate. Perhaps you can provide a reference. Also, please advise where in the ISO-NE document you found the claim of 1,036 lbs CO2 per mwh of wind -- specifically the scenario in the document you are referencing.

Thank you.
Lisa Linowes
www.windaction.org
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Anonymous
September 3, 2010
The far-right and Big Oil are waging another dis-information campaign? The truly shocking thing is that anyone still listens to all of these lies.
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September 3, 2010
@Michael - Here is a link to a graph of the total primary energy supply of Denmark for the period from 1971-2007.

http://www.iea.org/stats/pdf_graphs/DKTPES.pdf

As the chart illustrates, the entry of wind into the market has made little impact on the overall energy supply picture. The chart shows a clear trend in decreasing coal consumption accompanied by an increasing natural gas use. That shift appears to have caused most of the reduction in CO2 emissions that you have claimed.

The graph excludes the effects of electricity trading. Denmark trades a lot of power with its neighbors, especially the ones with a large base of hydro power.

The Nordic countries are a special case - there are few locations around the world where you can install a wind capacity with the relative size of Denmark's and depend on the neighbors to both take the excesses from blustery weather and provide power during the calm periods.

I like to point to a quote from former Colorado Senator Tim Wirth, who was speaking to the Colorado Oil and Gas Association in July 2009:

"Many of you have, for reasons that are absolutely beyond me, decided that you are going to oppose the solar and wind industry, just at the time that is the teddy bear of American energy policy. Everybody wants to embrace solar and wind. But what happens when the wind doesn't blow? What happens when the sun doesn't shine? It's natural gas that should be filling in that gap! You should be the closest buddy of the wind and solar industry and all be kissing each other in the neck and walking together into get this legislation passed."

There are many strategists in the energy business, your boss included, who recognize that wind is a great sales tool for the natural gas portion of the fossil business. Many in the wind business are also in the far more profitable gas business. It is disingenuous to claim that studies pointing to wind negatives are just a plot by the "fossil fuel" industry.
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Anonymous
September 3, 2010
Since when is it disingenuous to stand up for the truth?
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September 3, 2010
Thanks. Michael for an insightful and revealing expose of the some of the untruths and distortions of facts that the fossil fuel lobby is resorting to -- the posting from Frank Heller, above, is pretty typical of taking disparate points of data and misinterpreting them to advance an argument that sounds sensational, but crumbles to the ground when one examines the actual facts and looks at the data more objectively. This is what anti-wind groups like Wind Action do all the time -- take random points of data and random quotes to fabricate stories to cast doubt on the enormous potential and clean energy, clean jobs benefits from wind energy in the U.S. It is too bad we cannot have a genuine debate on the pros and cons of various form of generation, withou the fossil fuel lobby groups and anti-wind organizations resorted to "inventing" arguments that have no basis in reality -- or in fact.
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September 3, 2010
AWEA 2009 and the wild west'

15 05 2009

"The dust has settled after the American Wind Energy Association's meeting and tradeshow in Chicago, IL last week."

"At this tradeshow, you could even find examples of modern day medicine shows."

"Promises of a brave new energy future based on eye-catching, grandiose claims. There's no way to know if these claims are valid because there's no time to check. If you're not on the bandwagon already you've missed the opportunity."

"You could also find companies resting on their laurels. They are the "standard", but that "standard" was established pre-1990. However, investment companies have nothing else to latch onto as a benchmark. So some companies are in the catbird seat because they dominate the industry with old science and technological superstition."

Link provided:

"Medicine shows were traveling horse and wagon teams which peddled miracle medications and other products between various entertainment acts."

http://spackle.wordpress.com/2009/05/15/awea-2009-and-the-wild-west
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September 3, 2010
Could the author please comment on the impact of wind's capacity factor and the necessity for spinning reserves on this carbon analysis? While I am a huge proponent of all forms of renewable energy, including wind, I feel that this is an important part of the equation that cannot be ignored. In fact, I am surprised that it has not been addressed more directly.

I am sure that the fossil fuel lobby will use this argument in the future, so it is important to understand.
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September 3, 2010
In response to Rod Adams note above, the chart he's referenced doesn't prove a link between natural gas usage in Denmark and the growth in wind, but rather shows a similar growth pattern. The Dane's gas usage reflects the country's commitment to wean itself from coal and oil while developing their own gas fields in the north sea.

The wind utilities in N.W. Denmark are backed up by hydropower from Sweeden, not by natural gas turbines as in the US. It's a perfect partnership - variations in wind output is instantly covered by available hydro resource.
Unlike the US, the Danes use natural gas primarily for base load electricity, and this is generally in the form of community scale CHP (combined heat and power) plants that operate at very high efficiency. Only 16% of gas usage is in larger, central plants.

A useful link to the Danish energy use patterns can be found at www.gasteknik.dk/pdf/ngas_uk.pdf It becomes apparent from that document that a 50% increase in GNP can occur with no increase in primary energy consumption, and that it is possible to shift from oil and coal to other sources in a couple decades.
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September 3, 2010
Michael....there are only a handful of big wind turbines in Maine and only the UMPI turbine has daily readouts....if you look at the annualized data it is only 11% of the nameplate capacity, not cherry picking a slow month; but even so, the grid must have a capacity to backfill this drop in output and that means having and maintaining dual generation systems.

On a personal level, I have done siting assessments and there are few which will even achieve half the name plate capacity...and I have a rogue's gallery of abandoned and poorly sited residential wind turbines.

Let me point out, that there was---and I apologize for losing the cite; a major third party evaluation of five off shore wind farms in Europe. The finding was actual output was between 25% and 33% of nameplate capacity; and that maintenance and operational costs are far greater than the industry cares to admit.

Operational maintenance agreements with vendors for even residential turbines get pricey rather quickly. I have a photo of a 'downed' Skystream on an island that may still be down monthes after either coming down or being taken down. The taller the tower, the more expensive the climb; the more remote the installation, the more likely that the maintenance will be delayed and cost more....and never forget; without routine maintenance on both the tower, grid ties, electrical components, gears, etc. warranties are null & void.

The CO2 emissions argument is a complex one.

Denmark exports 80% of is wind power to neighbouring countries and when there is no wind other fossil fuel sources need to provide the energy. From the 2007 annual environmental report from ENERGINET.dk reveals a lot of fluctuation..."CO2 emissions vary considerably from year to year, depending on electricity trading. Adjusting for imports and exports resulted in an overall emissions reduction of 23% in the 1990-2007 period..(BUT) the primary reasons is a conversion of Danish electricity and heat generation (cont.)
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September 3, 2010
from less CO2 intensive fuels such as natural gas, coupled with increased use of renewable energy sources."

In 1990, the emissions from generating electricity and CHP in Denmark were 22 million tons; and in 2008 it slighty decreased to 21 million tons. The forecasts are for increased CO2 emissions in 2010, up to 29 million tons and leveling off to 24 million tons in 2020.

So when I say CO2 emissions are increasing, I do have a factual basis for doing so. Obviously wind plays a small role, but the dominant factor is natural gas. I could quote the CEPOS report and Lundborg and others; but I prefer utility data since they source it and I don't like critics who think it contaminated because of who underwrote the study, ie. you will ALSO be tarred with the same brush as a few biased commentators have done.

And this is why the UMPI data is so indisputable...it comes right off the Honeywell meters!

Your figures of a 50% drop are wildly at odds with these forcasts; and I suggest you use Danish sources not DOE.


There is a role for residential and remote wind power; but when considered in the total mix of energy supplies in New England; industrial wind is expensive; problem-some, intermittant, unpredictable, is generated far from loads requiring ROW's, switches and destruction of 'forever wild' viewlines, and gets more expensive as time goes on.

I camped on the shore of a large, nearly empty lake in Maine last week. Around 9 a.m. the wind would pick up, generating white caps for most of the day....about 5 on the Beuford scale or approx. 20 mph. Perfect for a small wind turbine so I fantasized about a small portable wind turbine to power some camp appliances and a battery bank to store power after the wind dropped off at 6 p.m. Just the thought of a battery bank and controllers for smoothing out variable output btw..there is a local manuf. for them,RAVEN TECHNOLOGIES, was offsetting.
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September 3, 2010
VEITH HYDRO's magazine this month featured the two pumped storage lakes they built in Austria, not U.K. They went into considerable detail on the stresses and strains wind farms have put on the European grid, necessitating the pumped storage lakes that go on line rather quickly when the wind drops or shifts direction.

Again this is yet another downstream energy system cost that I've never seen factored into the ROI economics.

We could get into the speculation why just a few years ago Warren Buffet spend an est. $28m. promoting wind farms and, like the wind, abandoned them this year.....my guess is a lot of stripped out gas/oil leases in W.Texas...any other guesses?
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September 3, 2010
Industrial wind farm opponents can hardly qualify as 'fossil fuel' lobbyists. Most are ardent ecologists who fought for 'forever wild' designations for the Applach. trail and the purchase of rare lands to be held in conservation trusts. Some live off the grid in harmony with a sometimes harsh environment. My CMP bill reveals only 12% of the power comes from fossil fuel fired power plants...so what's to lobby?

On the other hand; we've seen the 'wind industry' spend millions to 'buy' media and other propaganda. Just today, the Bangor Daily news (http://www.bangordailynews.com/story/Opinion/September-3-Letters-to-the-Editor,152861) published a letter from Melody Chase, who appears to head up the Flagstaff Area Business Association. A quick trip to their website reveals a TransCanada Wind ad. See: http://www.eustismaine.com/. Hmmm. Nice fingerprint of a wind industry lobbyist on a 'citizen's' ed.let!
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September 3, 2010
Good points. Solar mixed with wind, seems to be a better way to go. Keeps the bottom line productivity at a higher level. Minimizes the "out of use" time.
Swappable lithium batteries (for consumers-not utilities) for home and auto use can be trickle charged by both renewables.

The electric vehicles coming to market will need these. It will also alleviate the strain on the grid.
Best thing is, it will eventually put more dollars (via free energy) in the pockets of consumers. Budget deficit, bye bye, social security- funded, jobs market, increased, health care costs -diminished.
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September 3, 2010
Frank,
What is your ideal grid approach/mix and why?
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September 3, 2010
I am not so sure using simple correlations to draw major policy conclusions is reasonable, regardless of whether or not you are a "zealot" wind advocate or "evil" fossil fuel advocate.

When wind displaces one form of fossil generation, emissions ostensibly go down, but the correlation is not necessarily linear. If the fossil generation reduces load, then plant efficiency drops which increases emissions. Thus the net effect of wind driven emissions reductions is diminished but still clearly present.

I believe the more relevant issue is how much does wind cost the consumer and is the incremental emissions reduction worth higher rates. Given the cost of wind (debt repayment and outright subsidies), I'd say no in most cases. Would make more sense to direct money to increasing the efficiency of the devices using the power as such reductions directly correlate to when the energy is actually used.

Stated a little differently, there is more value in increasing the efficiency of an air conditioner that uses a lot of energy than providing wind energy at night (when most wind is generated) when power demand is low.
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Anonymous
September 3, 2010
It strikes me as hyperbolic paranoia to say that the inaccurate rantings of one small organization constitutes a "misinformation campaign by the fossil fuel industry." If the fossil fuel industry was really such a monolithic and malevolent force they would be FAR more effective.

While it is true that increased wind power does decrease CO2 emissions (and that the IPAMS claims were inaccurate) the AWEA also has a tendency towards biasing the discussion. CO electricity generation data are available on page 3 of this IEA report:
http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/solar.renewables/page/state_profiles/colorado.pdf

It is true that the amount of coal consumed decreased by 3% between 2007 and 2008 but the amount of electricity generated by coal decreased by 5.2%; this suggests a significant degree of inefficiency in the displacement of coal generation by other methods (3/5.2 = 58% efficiency). The article also fails to note that between 2007 and 2008 total electricity generation declined by 0.9% and that increases in other renewables (hydro, solar, biomass) constituted 15% of the total renewables increase (or a ~0.67% increase in the market share for non-wind renewables); thus, wind power increases alone were not responsible for the the entire decline in pollutants--deceased demand and increases in other renewables contributed significantly. A truly balanced article would have included these other factors in the analysis above.
Steven
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Anonymous
September 3, 2010
what this tells me is that the variable natural sources have reached a level of attainment where the powers that be are ready to fight back. That's good news.

Now it's time for us to work with respected, independent orgs that can participate and critique studies of these issues in detail. It is not good enough to present fuzzy data on either side.

PS - the bit about what happens when the wind doesn't blow - the same thing that happens now, we spew CO2. But what happens when it does? we spew less. Wirth needs to wake up. For someone heading the UN Foundation and spending Ted Turner's money, he ain't much use.
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September 3, 2010
Excellent post Michael. Your analytical candor is matched only by your naivité on the objectivism of Government data - LOL "the laws of physics" and the juggernaut of supply side economics (as if the ethical bankruptcy of the Wall Street fiasco since 2008 wasnt proof enough). As background reading prior to augmenting your Factors A, B, C with a more realistic balance that includes such other inconvenient dynamics please see: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1303688/More-half-Britains-wind-farms-built-wind.html and the emerging "smart meter" cases in Ontario http://dan.matan.ca/Smart-Meters-Ontario-Electricity-Hydro-Prices-Real-Rates-Per-kWh, http://www.optimumenergy.com/blog/how-to-test-your-smart-meter-for-accuracy/. Also add the the growing WInd Turbine health concerns (link here for Ontario, Canada...but in your own analysis please add European health studies) http://windconcernsontario.wordpress.com/category/health/. There are more than two sides to this issue...please do not do your readers the diservice of reducing legitimate opposition to Wind Turbine development to the "green" vs "fossil fuel industry."
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September 3, 2010
So, Frank, exactly what organization do you work for?
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Anonymous
September 3, 2010
I heard and briefly saw on a Discovery (or similar) show that air pollution dropped a lot on 9/12 and 9/13 with the US commercial fleet grounded after 9/11.

I wonder if countries like Spain that once or twice a year reach a whopping 50+% of energy generated from renewables also measure a big difference in air pollution for those days.

VMH
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September 3, 2010
@arthurboyt:

You are correct. The specific link that I provided that graphed Danish primary energy consumption sources from 1971-2007 did not prove a link between natural gas usage and wind.

However, there are plenty of other sources that do prove that there is a deep and significant tie between the businesses that develop wind generation and the businesses that extract and market natural gas.

For example - http://www.offshore-power.net/Files/Filer/danish_study_exec_summary.pdf says the following:

"Denmark has been erecting wind turbines offshore since the early 1990's. Today the country is leading in the field with 423 MW offshore wind turbines in operation. On a global level, Danish wind industry employees 35,000 people. 45 % of all installed wind capacity in 2004 was done by the Danish.

The traditional oil/gas offshore industry has provided the Danish offshore industry with more than 30 years of experience working in the North Sea. The Danish offshore capital, Esbjerg, is home to 200 offshore oil/gas companies. In total more than 3,500 people are employed by the industry in the region."

Those words are just from the Executive Summary of the study. The actual study goes into far greater detail and shows how "the fossil fuel" industry cannot be the only opposition to wind. Many players in that industry are big wind players as well.

For the record, I am an atomic advocate - though I am not paid to do that advocacy. My technical judgement is that wind is a great energy source for the hobby of sailing boats and it has little or no use in powering a modern economy that needs electricity on the basis of 3 "9s" worth of reliability.

Rod Adams
Publisher, Atomic Insights
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September 3, 2010
I am an alternative energy consultant, specializing in micro hydro and integrated(sewerage sludge & organic solid waste) bio refineries. I work for my clients, most of whom are affluent home owners, the rest are municipalities and water districts.

Ideal Mix? Based on renewables Maine should have hydro, biomass----growing at 2-3% above current use in the Northern forest, Cheap canadian hydro--hey, why not?, integrated waste to energy bio-refineries, some residential wind and solar pv. Off shore wind is a subsidized dream....I still remember Freddie Vahlsing's sugar beet refineries for N. Maine. kaboom!

Jet Contrails? Absolutely, the study is legendary among climate scientists in UK, Russia, Canada, Australia, Switzerland and Japan for confirming the view that diural temps are controlled by water vapour in the upper atmosphere and halting flights cleared the skis and restored normal nighttime radiance of the earth's heat. Zurich went so far as to ban night overflights; Sir Richard Branscom designed Low Emissions jet engines to sell as did British Aviation after studies confirmed the findings and their GREENS reversed warming policy by pointing the finger of blame at jets and water vapour; not CO2, which as you all know is fairly scarce(2-3%) in the Green House layer.

I'm betting CNG vehicles are the wave of the future; Sable Island(CA) pipeline is snaking all over Maine and bio-refineries can plug into it with their gas supplies. CNG is nearly carbon free and supposedly is the 'greenist' fuel for vehicles---HONDA won an award last summer.

Maine has a lot of vehicles that could be converted to electric...thousands of golf carts on islands, retirement colonies, campuses, etc. could have solar PV canopies or plug in wind chargers...small vehicle, quick charge, and damn cheap to own and run.

Hurricane duty calls.
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September 3, 2010
Ocean/tidal energy MAY, and I mean MAY emerge with some small role to play...the modified Gorlov turbine in EASTPORT---22' tides and hellacious currents may survive for a while longer and a version that can be fastened to abutements or slung under floats that can withstand a marine environment may yet emerge. Once again, like off shore wind, the load is in S. Maine; and the competition is cheap Canadian hydro 24/7. The OREC turbine is only recharging the batteries on a Coast Guard patrol boat; but it was working last week when I was up there talking with John Fernald after the roll out on Thursday...happy it all worked and he could round up a critical mass of politicians to show it off.
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September 3, 2010
Very good article. Naturally, those who want to disagree are welcome to, but I find it amusing that they simply distort/ignore what is pretty clear. Those who speak of the fact that the wind doesn't blow all the time ignore the fact that it does -- just not in the same place. Thus, as wind farms become more numerous, rather than relying on backup from fossil fuel plants, it will come more and more from wind (in our interconnected world), as well as biomass etc.

Insofar as subsidies, all I can do is laugh. Can anyone say "Oil depletion allowance" or "Liability limits" (think "Price-Anderson Act" for nuclear, and the recent granting of even more tax breaks for BP, among others). The list is endless when dealing with the fossil fuel industry.

The wind naysayers also seem oblivious to the advances in storage that are taking place. A click away:

http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2010/08/efficient-storage-of-wind-energy-is-in-the-bag
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September 3, 2010
Very good article. There is a flaw that I just can not understand. If a coal fired power plant must produce electric power 24 hours a day. How is the carbon reduced using wind generators. Do they shut down the steam turbines? This makes no logical sense. If you operate a unit that produces toxic gases all the time how can this data be accurate. I agree. It is a shame we still use coal to generate electric power. To me there are 4 good ways to produce electric power. Hydro, Wind, Solar and Geothermal. All the rest needs to be in our history books or retired. EPA is shutting down coal fired power plants in 31 states and the TVA is closing a few coal fired power plants. If we eliminate coal for producing electric power and use true renewable energy systems we can stop 25% of all pollution in the USA. Then maybe we will not be in a race with China as the worlds biggest producers of carbon in our air, land and waters.
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September 4, 2010
JAJ...thanks for the sarcastic chuckle about those giant wind bags and having wind turbines everywhere, facing in all directions to catch the wind as it shifts in vector and strength. All we need is a photo of the entrance to Palm Springs and the 'junkyard' of abandoned wind turbines.

There are some compressed air experiments using wind and underwater tanks on oil/gas platforms. The results are inconclusive...one more piece of gear to maintain in a harsh marine environment!
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September 4, 2010
Maine is also questioning who owns the wind, us or the wind farm corporations?

This is an outgrowth of the effort by left wing groups to tap into the profits of POLAND SPRINGS/NESTLE and regulate how much water they take from their(our?) aquifers. The water is dispersed in clouds moved by the wind; and if 'we' own the water; don't 'we' also own the wind?

Part of this public policy discussion is one of the impact of removing so much energy from the wind...and the rejoinder is a 'oh it's only a cup of water out of the ocean' reply. Maybe, maybe not?

Anyway, these larger public policy questions of who owns what have yet to be decided and are going to local referendum since the legislature won't touch them.
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September 5, 2010
http://www.seacoastonline.com/articles/20100905-NEWS-9050328
Wind power yet to power up on Seacoast
Local ordinances allow for it but with restrictions
By Dave Choate
September 05, 2010

PORTSMOUTH — The wind energy movement for local residents doesn't have much wind behind it.

Several Seacoast towns have ordinances that permit residential wind turbines, and on paper, it's an idea worth mulling. It's an opportunity to save money over the long haul while doing something environmentally friendly. According to the U.S. Department of Energy, enough power is produced in the country by wind turbines to provide electricity for 9.7 million homes and has been around for decades, so it's not an unknown technology.

But with only a handful of exceptions, the ordinances and the state law that spawned them has not yielded returns. The reasons are myriad, but many people interviewed last week said a combination of startup costs and lack of viable land and wind speeds made it difficult for towns like Portsmouth, Greenland and Rye, none of which have seen residential applications.

Suzanne Sayer, a member of the Governor's Task Force on Wind Power in Maine, has extensive experience working with wind turbines. She gave two reasons why it hasn't caught on for residents.

"It's not cost effective, and there's no wind," she said.

Characterizing herself as a proponent of wind power, she said winds in most areas, except right on the coast, are not strong enough or sustained enough for most residential wind turbines to be effective. Compounding the problem are ordinances that, in an attempt to minimize nuisance to neighbors or preserve historic areas, do not allow the turbines to be set high enough to capitalize on wind that does exist.

The high-profile case of the Kittery, Maine, wind turbine may serve as a cautionary tale.

Sayer was involved with writing a grant proposal for that project before three of four companies
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September 5, 2010
Mr Goggin guest-posted the same article at http://bravenewclimate.com/2010/09/01/wind-power-emissions-counter/#more-3176 and there have been substantial comments there.
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September 14, 2010
interesting this site doenst allow posting html links.....but here is one that everyone should read in rebuttle of Mr. Goggin's paid AWEA rant here:
http://www.masterresource.org/2010/09/windpower-overblown-part-1/
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September 24, 2010
First, let me say that I am a huge supporter of renewable energy resources, and I very much appreciate Mr Goggin's efforts to rebut false claims made by the fossil fuel industry.

The point I'd like to make is that I recall reading an article in the WSJ several months ago describing the huge gains made by wind in Texas. The surprising finding in the article was that the gains made by wind power came not at the expense of old, inflexible coal power, but actually at the expense of natural gas. This would seem to contradict Mr Goggin's point about Factor C, so I'd be curious to learn how he would respond to this report (link below).

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704188104575083982637451248.html
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37 of 38
July 22, 2011
This is a real howler, Michael. Of course you are paid to promote the idea that capacity can be replaced by rogue energy. If we are lucky, the GAO will shut your employer down and end the ridiculous waste of taxpayer money AWEA has attracted.
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38 of 38
January 15, 2012
I noticed your name on a website and it attracted me as your name is the same as my first english teacher in a english summer camp.
Although I cannot quite catch your meaning of your essay, as my major is literature, I still find value in it.
I am a environment protection and energy saving advocator, hoping to learn some new idaes from you.
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About: Michael Goggin joined AWEA in February 2008. He represents the wind industry on transmission and grid integration matters, coordinates member input on the devel... more »

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