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California Enters the Renewables Tug-of-war

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1 of 5
September 29, 2010
Lets all vote no on #23 and drive the rest of the evil business out of California.
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September 29, 2010
This article implies that the 14% of California's energy that comes from renewables comes largely from photovoltaics. That's not possible. It must come from hydro electric power imported from places like Canada. The electricity generated by PV is miniscule, always has been and always will be until the economics look better. Currently after federal, state and local rebates are applied the payback periods on PV systems is still no better than 10 years. There are a lot of energy solutions we could be employing that return on investment faster than that. Without the subsidies it takes a very sunny climate, and very high electricity rates to see anything economically that makes any sense at all when it comes to PV. Government handouts to subsidize a non-viable industry raise taxes and once the subsidies run out, these businesses fail.. But I'm not saying PV is a bad thing. We all love PV of course and wish every home was covered with modules. Every home would be if government didn't waste so much money subsidizing oil and gas exploration. The real problem is that nobody wants to pay more at the pump.

The premise that California solar companies may have to look to export markets etc is nonsense. There are no export markets for installers of PV systems. There are for manufacturers but not for the large majority of PV companies that exist only because of subsidies.

If Californians truly want to see a renewable energy future, policy needs to move in the direction of fairly pricing carbon from fossil fuel sources. Whether is a direct carbon tax or a more subtle cap and trade or just basic regulation, the playing field will not be level until the cost of putting that carbon back in the ground is factored into the price of energy. Then and only then can we move toward a renewable energy future.

Ken Wright is president of Hot Sun Industries of Poway CA http://www.h2otsun.com Hot Sun is a manufacturer of solar pool heating systems sold largely through PV dealers!
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3 of 5
September 29, 2010
thereis -- jesus, you're a whiny little bitch, aren't you?
first off, who gives a fuck who ken wright is? if that's you, put your goddamn name next to the picture, melonhead!
second, the article does NOT imply that 14% of cali's energy comes largely from pv. in the very beginning it states, "California currently gets nearly 14 percent of its electricity from renewable sources...", just after it had stated "requiring utilities to obtain a third of their power from alternative energy sources such as wind, solar and geothermal by 2020." where do you see pv being singled out? dumbass.
third, of course there are no export markets for installers of pv systems. that's because the installers need to be WHERE THE PV'S ARE AT! you should thank god there's no market to export installers or we'd be ass-deep in chinese "installers" crawling all over our rooftops. christ, what a stupid arguement!
lastly,"...policy needs to move in the direction of fairly pricing carbon from fossil fuel sources." well, no shit, sherlock. but wake up and smell reality because that is never going to happen. the oil companies have all the politicos they need to prevent that shit from ever happening and that is never going to change because they have more money than the gdp of most of the world.
you want to stick it to the oil and electric companies? the answer is simple. you suck up the costs and you get yourself completely off-grid. get a huge battery back-up system in the house, convert the garage to level 3 charging for your all ev car, put up some pv panels, some solar thermal units, and a couple vawt's, and tell the rest of the world to fuck off.
that is, if your hoa will let you do all that...
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September 30, 2010
I agree with Douglas, these blanket deniers make me mad. What is the point in crying about making a change? What is the value of spouting a campaign of "just say no" to improvements in our lives? The cost of solar systems have already dropped by 30% in a few years and improvements are found constantly. Germany expects cost parity in 3 to 5 years, and they are making most of their own systems with union labor and socialized health care. If our government was paying for health care they would get serious about reducing polluting industries and get serious about clean energy. There is way more to an economic system than just the price of oil. Complaints about a ten year payback on solar are ridiculous, since the system runs for more than twice as long as that with no fuel costs, which means after the first 10 years the electricity is free. Let's see you accomplish that with fossil fuel technology.
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October 6, 2010
The argument that the cost of upgrading oil refineries is an attempt to influence voters with erroneous or faulty information.
Seems to me that as gas prices rise more people will gravitate to hybrid and electric vehicles. The difference in price between conventional and PHEV's will diminish as product availability increases.
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About: I am an associate editor for Power Engineering magazine. I cover EPA's regulations for the power industry in detail. When it comes to renewables, I write regula... more »

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