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Anonymous
August 5, 2010
The author writes: "But the situation is more serious than that, and the community may need to remind the administration, that driving manufacturing scale-up and aggregating markets are going to drive down the cost of high-value energy efficiency and renewable energy more than any internal government R&D."

One wonders what evidence he is basing this belief on. The benefits of R&D funding seem obvious and the private sector does not have a great track record in that area--at least for things that are not kept as trade secrets. Manufacturing scale-up benefits seem to occur naturally when an ideal is at the point of commercial viability so the incremental benefits that modest additional government funding could provide late in the commercialization process seem slight (even nebulous). Perhaps a case could be made for the author's claim but the idea is hardly obvious. One "reminds" someone of something they once knew, convincing someone of something they never knew requires a reasoned argument and possibly even evidence. What actual evidence is available to support this claim?

On the larger point that the Government lacks a clear and consistent plan for renewable energy I would agree; however, I probably would not have mentioned that the "cash for clunkers" program was also funded out of the specific program that is now being trimmed. "Cash for clunkers" struck me as a perfect example of a wasteful and shortsighted government program.
Steven
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GRW
August 6, 2010
Cash for clunkers would have been a great idea if the result had been the purchase of clean tech vehicles as a pre-requisite. Buying a new Chevy pick-up may help GM but it doesn't help America of the World. FiT's/Smart Metres/ and soft installation loans (or loan guarantees) help to drive the growth in sales and installations, which in turn drives down costs of manufacture, which in turn drives up sales. This is not rocket science.
R&D Grants are also necessary, but perhaps they should be channeled into Universities with the pre-requisite that the resulting develops are open to all rather than being subjected to future patents.
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August 6, 2010
An excellent article. With its seesaw policies, the USA is falling way behind Europe & China in its energy policies and implementation.

Despite its formidable advantages, the USA has already lost its once-unassailable position in automobile manufacturing. It is now on its way to losing its leadership in energy matters, too. In the technologies of the future it already lags Europe, China, India & Japan.

GRW is also spot-on:- FiTs, smart meters, smart grids and energy efficiency will be the technologies of the future. The drastic decrease in PV module and wind turbine costs have been achieved to a large extent by economies of scale, which in turn were driven by Fit's. Anyone who does not understand this, does not understand anything about markets.

Furthermore, the costs of German-type FiT's are minute compared to the government R&D devoted to nuclear, and to the tax relief enjoyed by the US fossil fuels industry.
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August 6, 2010
NY Mayor Michael Bloomberg said on Meet The Press this past weekend that the stimulus money is going to Obama's campaign contributors. Better to give the money back to the taxpayers and let them invest.
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Anonymous
August 6, 2010
GREAT ARTICLE. The bastards in power really do not want the green alternative techs developed, as the power / control is in the polluting fossil fuel industries - we all must get really serious with these . . so referenced "people" - must get them out of office - only the likes of RON PAUL, and/or his designees will set a proper course.

For now tho, you can employ / eliminate all - 100% tax liability in a Solar & BioMass plant: tnns.org/energy
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Anonymous
August 6, 2010
Not seeing where this will help the solar initiative for 20 million rooftops or the average consumer ...

Looks like the main beneficiary is is the growing solar/utility complex....

Job creation thus far by these types of bills has been temporary and greatly limited for the open market.

Need FIT with teeth and claws....
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Anonymous
August 7, 2010
Sklar includes this in his article: "A July 26th NY Times article, "Nuclear Energy Loses Cost Advantage" by Diana S. Power highlights a new study that concludes: "solar photovoltaics have joined the ranks of lower-cost alternatives to new nuclear plants." John O. Blackburn, a professor of economics at Duke University in North Carolina, and Sam Cunningham, a graduate student, wrote the paper, "Solar and Nuclear Costs - The Historic Crossover."
According to the researchers, this crossover occurred at 16 cents per kilowatt-hour (kWh)."

It might have been less disingenuous if he also remarked that this was not a peer reviewed study published in a legitimate journal, but merely a propaganda piece produced for the antinuclear "NCWarn" advocacy group. It would also have been worth mentioning that the author's own estimates for solar costs was $0.35/kWh before they assumed that state and Federal subsidies would fund 54% of the cost.

Very few serious policy makers are going to believe that Solar electricity is cheaper than nuclear power--especially when the very reports you cite for such claims have estimates that rely on massive government subsidies (which are obviously not sustainable at such levels for large amounts of generation capacity).

There may well be a reasonable case to me made for direct Federal support of renewable energy companies. However, nothing sinks an argument faster than outright and obvious mendacity. Solar is clearly not now competitive with nuclear power and isn't appropriate--at any price--to supply all of our energy needs due to intermittency limitations.
Steven
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August 8, 2010
" Very few serious policy makers are going to believe that Solar electricity is cheaper than nuclear power- Solar is clearly not now competitive with nuclear power and isn't appropriate--at any price--to supply all of our energy needs due to intermittency limitations. "

It depends. If you feel your job is threatened by solar PV installed on industrial flat roofs to cover peak power demand, then big centralized NPP's guaranteed by tens of Billions provided by Uncle Sam's financial department (that is the taxpayer) are the way to go, but remember they cannot be shutdown when low power demand is there (late night or weekends), and therefore requires supplementary energy storage facilities like pumped up hydro to keep the plants humming, supplementary storage cost naturally not reflected into the NPP power plant built up cost. And I do not talk about the cost of storing the special containers of highly radioactive waste that is generated each year to be dealt by your kids + grand kids later on, or the radioactive metal quantities to be stored away forever once the plant has reached it end of life period, needing years to be decommissioned.
What is the price of radiation related cancers developing later on due to hidden exposure to such radioactive sources, or the price of malformed kids ?

http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/blog/post/2010/06/solar-photovoltaics-pv-is-cost-competitive-now?cmpid=SolarNL-Tuesday-June29-2010
Solar Photovoltaics (PV) is Cost-Competitive Now. So some nudnik from the oil or coal industries can stand up and say, PV is 40 c/kWh and not be lying. And I can say it is 13 c/kWh and not be lying, and all without a cent of incentives, not even traditional depreciation. Simply put, there are places and PV systems today that can sell electricity at 13 c/kWh, or even 10 c/kWh, and make an adequate return. They are cost-effective at those prices without a cent of incentives, no carbon price, and not even traditional depreciation.
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Anonymous
August 9, 2010
a-b-24958 quotes a blog post stating: "Simply put, there are places and PV systems today that can sell electricity at 13 c/kWh, or even 10 c/kWh, and make an adequate return"

This is a dubious claim; certainly I am aware of no places that DO sell electricity generated by solar PV at such rates. Furthermore, if we were to believe such claims we would also need to ask why solar PV should receive additional federal subsidies. If solar was really competitive with new natural gas plants in many locations it should be ready to compete on its own.

A-b-24958 also remarks: "If you feel your job is threatened by solar PV installed on industrial flat roofs to cover peak power demand, then big centralized NPP's..."
I note that cutting peak power demands might be an appropriate niche for solar PV but that does not make it an appropriate replacement for nuclear power. I like to use electricity when it is dark out or merely cloudy or when there is snow on the roof--that can't be supplied by PV. If renewable advocates were to give an honest and positive argument on the merits instead of whining about subsidies or attacking other generation schemes (or DOE research) they might have better luck at getting a consistent energy policy.
Steven
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August 9, 2010
I think it is pathetic that congress seems more intent on their infighting than what is best for the country!! For alternative energy and reducing green house gasses, this is a excellent chance for the US to lead and become a serious player in what is already a multi-billion dollar industry.

Solar has been less expensive than the grid for years:

http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/first-solar-reaches-grid-parity-milestone-says-report-5389/

The US has wonderful sun in about 1/3 of the country. Concentrated solar is already grid positive with companies such as Sol Focus (www.sol-focus.com) or Amonix (www.amonix.com). I think the Rainbow Concentrator also sounds like promising technology (www.sol-solution.net).

First Solar also says that they are cheaper than the grid. Where you live will dictate which implementation is best for you.
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August 10, 2010
Investing in research and waiting a couple of years for much cheaper storage is going to greatly reduce the number of controversial transmission lines needed. Distirbuted solar can win with the right R&D investments - and community power can make the grid much less vulnerable to failure or attack.
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August 10, 2010
Did the article include the availability of nuclear power 24/7 and at capacity year round irrespective of the declination of the sun or cloud cover? Surely someone with a Ph.D. would be able to quantify these benefits?....I'm waiting to see what Gates & Toshiba come up with for residential nuclear power plants...and who said the Sixties were gone forever?
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August 10, 2010
Since the failure of the US Senate to pass a clean energy bill I have become even more convinced that the industry is to a large part of its own. Those who are interested in growing the cleantech industry can no longer hope and pray for deep long lasting federal support. Growth in all forms will only come from the inside out, from the bottom up and not top to bottom. We are on our own. Let us stop fulminating and get to work.
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August 10, 2010
First, don't blame me because what is occurring and the difference between perception and reality. The one running the ship is Dos Caras. The intent of Renewable Energy funding was not climate change but economic stimulus for the chosen few. My business model on future expectations and the above.
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August 10, 2010
Labor unions contributed very significantly to the Democratic party during the last presidential elections. Most School Teachers, Firemen and Policemen have strong unions. What is difficult to understand?
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Anonymous
August 10, 2010
The orgy of U.S. government spending cannot continue. Unfortunately, the government is reneging on one of their principle functions, which is to prioritize spending of the peoples tax money. Despite being one of the administrations top-3 priorities, and not being fully-funded (see "clunkers"), renewables will get shortchanged as the government directs increasingly limited funds to their voting constituencies.
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