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BIPV Market Gaining Traction

By Jennifer Runyon, Managing Editor
August 13, 2010   |   15 Comments
A panel at Intersolar North America focused on the BIPV market. Here's where it stands today and where it hopes to go.

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1 of 15
August 13, 2010
Dear Ms. Runyon:

You have been swindled. There is no such thing as a BIPV market, and it obviously it is not gaining traction. There are only two grid-connected PV markets - rooftop and ground-mounted. BIPV means different things to different people. The Italian definition of BIPV is quite different from the French one, which in turn is different from the German one, which in turn is different from the Californian one, and so on. Thus, the 30% or so "market" share of BIPV in Italy is not comparable at all to the 0.5% or so share in California. Outside the countries with gullible governments who don't mind wasting taxpayer money (namely, France and Italy), the BIPV "segment" is losing share and losing traction for two reasons: 1) its cost is 2x that (and higher) of regular PV on a per Watt basis and 10x-100x that (or higher) of regular roofing/facade materials on a per sq ft basis, and 2) the BIPV products underperform in terms of electricity generated per rated Watt due to overheating and suboptimal tilt.

Now, let's address specifically some of Mr. JD Albert's comments:


First, SRS Energy does not produce any tiles yet. After failing to roll out the product in the Spring of 2010 as previously promised ( http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/srs-energy-expands-operations-with-opening-of-new-manufacturing-plant-65994967.html ), the tax-payer funded factory is now scheduled "to begin production in October" ( http://www.philly.com/inquirer/business/20100606_Phila__solar_roofing_firm_looks_to_new_leader_for_its_big_break.html ).

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2 of 15
August 13, 2010
Second, SRS Energy has no roots in the roofing industry. SRS Energy's expertise is using image-editing software to produce fake pictures of blue roofs. SRS Energy has flooded the Internet with such pictures ( see http://www.gabreport.com/gabreport/2009/05/simplify-solar-with-the-first-curved-solar-roofing-tile.html or http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/04/srs-energy-launches-building-integrated-photovoltaic-panels-clay-tile-roofs.php ,etc). All those blue roofs are actually regular red clay tile roofs in the real world.

Third, it should be obvious to anyone who understand how PV works that the curved modules will face the Sun suboptimally all the time, and the lack of ventilation below the "tiles" will cause overheating and further underperformance. Not to mention that SRS Energy's tiles sport the one of the lowest conversion efficiency on the market (just 5%) - compare to regular module's efficiency of 13%-14% or SunPower's 19.5%. So, no, SRS Energy's PV is not going anywhere. Watch this video though to see how real PV products are being installed on real roofs today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-XNNPTqNMQ

Fourth, SRS Energy's product is nowhere close to a building material. Roofing tiles and shingles can be had for as low as $2 per sq ft. According to an SRS Energy spokesman, their "solar" tiles will cost $10-$12 per Watt ( http://sqrl.it/?ce2ja ) or about $50 per sq ft, that is, 25x as much as regular roofing materials. Good luck to SRS Energy trying to convince the customers they are in the "building product provider" business!

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3 of 15
August 13, 2010
Fifth, Mr. Albert's claim that there is a BIPV standard in the US is plain false. There is no such BIPV standard. Of course, every product that goes on a roof has to adhere to the usual building materials standards (e.g., UL 790) and every PV product has to adhere to the usual PV standards (e.g., UL 1703). So, would you please ask Mr. Albert to tell you which "BIPV standard in the US" is he referring to?

Sixth, it is quite interesting that Mr. Albert views certification as an expensive hassle. True, their tile eventually passed UL 1703, but it is unclear whether SRS Energy has notified Intertek/ETL, the certification authority, that the photovoltaic material they are using ignited on the rooftop of the Long Beach Convention Center in February of 2008. Note that SRS Energy's tiles are mostly made of plastic. So letting roofers install that electricity-generating product might not be such a good idea.

Seventh, would Mr. Albert be willing to update you on the status of SRS Energy's test installation on the roof of the former CEO's ice-cream parlor, which showed early indications of possible delamination just a few months after installation:

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/JrYk4vdvlUINPsMhNVNLrg
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4 of 15
August 13, 2010
Hi:

Well, that will cover SRS I think....

My feelings regarding BIPV are this. If I had financial freedom, I would not go that route. The problem with all multi function products is that when you have damage to it, you get "wacked" from multiple directions. To give an analogy, multi function office solutions. A copier/fax/printer is nice because it puts all those functions in one package taking up three times less space, more cost effective because of reducing redundant components, etc... The problem is when it breaks, most of the time you have now lost you printing, faxing and coping abilities all at the same time causing a great deal of disruption which otherwise would have effected only one of the three. BIPV means that if the PV goes bad or the "Roof" gets physically damaged, you now take a hit on your electric and structure integrity at the same time, not to mention the higher cost. Having to open up your roof to weather just because the PV fails is not an attractive idea. I myself like the idea of having my structure integrity separate from my energy generation devices, especially on the roof where rain can really pour in. Of course if you are in a desert climate, that might not be a big concern.... that is rain... but still, there are some systems that are better left separate rather then integrated for resiliency
reasons....

.....Bill
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5 of 15
August 16, 2010
Mr Albert is a dork...with no real experience in roofing! The SRS System can only be used with a specific shaped roof tile by US TILE. Thats not going to make their product very competetive. When he speaks of removing tiles, he is only making reference to systems that are US TILE and non other. You would have to be an existing US tile customer od a future customer. Reto-fitting a U.S. tile roof with SRS will be more expensive than just doing it from the beggining.
US TILE has "S" tile profiles and Barrel tile profiles. They both look very very similar, however the former will get you 30 years ant the latter over 100 years easy! Easing cost has to do with steamlining design for UNIVERSALITY. Thats why our ARTEZANOS HYBRID TIPV is the better choice. Theirs does look a slight bit better than ours but in the long run our design makes better sense for UNISOLAR.
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6 of 15
August 16, 2010
John Foreman 02/28/10 5:24 PM "

If you guys notice, ECD.Fan tries use arguments of Uni-Solar's low power density (6%) and integration design mistakes, to apply this as is the "whole BIPV" industry / market is perpetually doomed… despite CIGS thin-films now reaching c-Si efficiencies and I bet if they had the same "economies of scale" applied to their industrial processes, would and will drop way below c-Si in terms of $/W. Even with the small amount of rare-earths used, no different than the rare-earths used in his favorite thin-films CdTe based from first solar, which had Walmart to help them scale.

Plus he always ignores that no one wants, hundreds of roof penetrations, heavy racks, heavy modules, weighing their roof down. Uni-Solar led the way with inventive form factors (1st generation), including their failed SHR-17 shingle product. Dow's powerhouse shingles share little in common 1.) double the power density, 2.) far less wiring (their tabbed shingled interconnect and self-ground). 3.) uses the best CIGS cells from Global Solar at 13-15 efficiency depending upon if one speaks of aperture or cell efficiency. 4.) He ignores the labor and integration savings to be had by a winning BIPV product… whether it be nail-gun installable shingles, laminates with better adhesives for metal roofs and laminates.

So just because Uni-Solar failed, doesn't mean all will.

If you notice also, anytime anyone posts any news release on PV thin films (now including CIGS, or any other technology)... he'll be the first to come in and trumpet First Solar and CdTe in panels and big Silicon. He has a horse in the race, because if you do your research it's been leaked he's close to NY/Russian fund managers. Russians have a lot of poly-Si facilities, so it's obvious his motives.

If you google "ECD.Fan Todor Mitev" you will find he is likely linked (or is) Todor Mitev of the Temujin Fund. Which means he has a horse in the race to use Uni-Solar's woes to try and short any up an
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7 of 15
August 17, 2010
Gentlemen, Mind if I join this dog fight? :-)
The main problem is that all of you and the solar industry is too focused on the minute parts of the whole PV package which are projected to have minuscule improvements in the future. While the cell/array and inverter constitute the iconographic center of the solar installation, they constitute barely 1/3rd of the cost of any installed solar panel. Conversely, when challenged by a DOE director, I developed and have patent pending on an attractive BI-solar encapsulation system that has the option of all 6 forms of solar and will accept most solar manufacturer's products. Best of all, the solar portion is projected to cost slightly less than a conventional residential roof and when used in conjunction with my column-less PolyARCH system, less than half that of a commercial/industrial roof.
Wouldn't you like your utility to send you a check each month that covers a major portion of your mortgage?
Being omni-directional (all but North), studies show that a new 'enLIGHTened lifestyle' home will be able to supply 4 to 6 of its neighbors with its excess production right where the utility needs it, not hundreds of miles of transmission lines away. Only old hydro will be able to provide electricity at a lower kW cost. And, if every new building built in America were to use the systems, we would eliminate dozens of those old polluting coal plants every year.
You can see it and a whole lot more at www.enlighten.us

Now, to address some of your specific comments:
As you will see, this is not an electricity generating system nor a building product, it is part of a transformational construction building system.

to be continued.
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8 of 15
August 17, 2010
continued . . .
I invite you to ask my clients about attractiveness, my additions using this systems without PV are the featured sections of their homes, businesses and complexes. As for approval, using the same materials in a different configuration, my systems have received fire marshal approval as a fire vent. They have been tested in the lab where they survived 3 ton snow loading and in the field survived 200+ mph winds. In over 35 years of installing my systems worldwide, I have as of yet to have a single leak nor a broken roof. IF a panel should need to be replaced ~ or ~ as is more likely, a solar system be replaced, it is a simple, easy task for the owner to remove the top panel to take care of a problem, then snap it right back in place. With this system, there is no need for highly skilled craftsmen but rather just common laborers. The electrician is used only to plug into the main panel.
Incidentally, Roland, as you will read, a study by ODOE showed that a home built of my system will use but 24% of the energy of a Model Energy Code home built to the same floor plan.
So, yes ecdfan, there is a huge market for BIPV. Bigger than for independent panels. What builder would dare not install a solar roof if the contrary is more expensive? Also, the government won't need to "waste taxpayers money". The costs mentioned are WITHOUT subsidies, rebates/incentives/tax credits.

I hope this brings clarifies many of your concerns.

Yes, hidden in the garages of the garages and dorm rooms are many solutions to our problems. They just need to see the light of day.
technotard
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9 of 15
The SRS panels will never be a commercially viable product. The efficiency is way too low and the cost is way too high. And how many blue roofs are really out there?

There are much less costly and more efficient BIPV alternatives already available in the building products marketplace, through either Eagle Roofing Products (Suntech) or SunPower. They are cristalline silicon panels designed to integrate with concrete tiles, so they have higher efficiencies than thin-film. These panels have been installed on hundreds of homes in California and Arizona, and homebuilders like them because they come in colored frames and blend seamlessly with the roofing tiles. I'm surprised the author didn't mention these.
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10 of 15
August 18, 2010
Good Work technotard I hope you change the world for the better. One concern is thermal performance if they are used to bring in roof top daylight.
My thoughts have always leaned towards a PV that removes the heat from the back for hot water and increased efficiency. It would be a structural component at the same time. A simple gable end roof could be completly covered on one side with the slope adjusted for latitude and snow loads in northern climates. Couple this with a Passive house and your home (energy)free.
Another thought if anyone out there is listening. To heat your pool us a hudronic radiant aluminum plate system and put it under an asphalt shingle roof. Great for retrofits and it could help offset air conditioning needs.
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11 of 15
Anonymous
August 19, 2010
ECD FAN IS NUTSSSSS? THIS GUY IS A STACKER OF POOR ENERGY CONVERSION DEVICES... THEY SHOULD GET A JUDGE TO GET A RULING FOR HIM TO STOP SLANDERING THE COMPANY OR ANY COMPANY THEY DO BUSINESS WITH
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12 of 15
August 24, 2010
Mr. JD Albert has provided some of his answers in the comment section here:

http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/coming-soon-efficient-e-books-in-color/

Specifically, he claims that 1) there is no delamination on the roof of the former CEO's ice-cream parlor, and 2) ICC-ES AC365 is a standard.
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13 of 15
August 24, 2010
Gary, in answer to your comment, I have been involved in thermal performance including creating a hybrid-passive solar system over 30 years ago that is used world-wide and is the standard in the Shetland Islands. It is being incorporated as an option in my BI-SOLAR system. Just take a air-to-water heat pump and transfer the excess hot air to hot water and store it in a tank under the building. Then, bring it out in the winter as radiant heat when you need it at 20 cents on the dollar. I have also successfully used this system to heat swimming pools and used them as the heat sink.
You can now check all of this out at our updated website www.enlighten.us
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14 of 15
December 16, 2010
Can anyone help me out with the top BIPV manufacturers?
--Pragyanand
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15 of 15
December 17, 2010
Thank you for allowing me to share my thoughts and educate you a bit on the Artezanos Hybrid System!



All true barrel tiles are two piece systems. They consist of 50% of the "Cover Tiles" (the ones you see) and 50% of "Pan Tiles" (the undertiles you don't see). True barrel tiles are more expensive because they are heavier and have more pieces per square (100sqft.) and also require more labor. As you have experienced, heavier products transported over distance also increase costs substantially.

Please click to see various Artezanos jobs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMmjREM6aKk

The Artezanos Hybrid System overcomes these challenges by using the roof tile where it creates the most aesthetic impact (only as covers) and substituting the "Pan Tiles" with a much higher performing "Universal Pan Tile". This Universal Pan Tile is made in U.S.A. and saves you greatly on transportation, installation, roof loading, breakage & waste.

St. Pete hybrid job: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqUMV6spkgE&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

Coral Gables hybrid job: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx9u2wePaqs&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

Miami Beach hybrid job: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlK-2k4Soa8&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

Miami hybrid job: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrCR5bzBbtw

Miramar hybrid job: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EubFOg0a9No&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL


The Universal Pan is the sustainable cost effective choice because it incorporates recycled aluminum and promotes the use of metal recycling at the end of its useful life. Your choice of a round pan starter or an Italiano starter natural clay pan begin the course of tile at the roofs edge to preserve the look and determine the architectural barrel roof tile style of your choice.

We simply use the Artezanos Handmade Tile as the covers. By installing such a roof on your home, you increase your installation uplift performanc
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