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July 2, 2010
I'll hang up my professional hat for this and comment from my homeowner experience: we've been trying to find the best solar mix for our rooftop (in the UK) for a couple of years. What's been tricky is finding installer/suppliers who are willing or able to take a 'whole roof' view. Most want to fit either one or the other technology. (I'll just add that - to my regret - the complications of running retrofit pipework for solar thermal in our house are making this look like a tricky solution after all.)
My conclusion is that for new-build and significant refurbishments, we need those vents and rooflights to be planned around the solar, with routing for pipework and cabling planned in too. And for retrofits we need companies willing to tackle both solar technologies or at least partner up so best overall package can be put together.
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July 2, 2010
Hi:

Solar thermal, especially evacs should be mounted at a steep angle (60 Deg or better). So, if your roof is not already a 12/12 pitch or better, the array will be standing up and the bottom rail is really the only one you have to watch out for. As long as you have a bunch of inches over your skylights you will do all right and vents even less space over. Wood burning chimneys you have to watch out for due to potential smoke and creosote buildup on the collectors. Also, shading for thermal has far less of an impact than for PV, due to the resistance of cells when not lit. If you can swing it, you might consider a tracking ground mount for you PV. You can put in a much smaller array and still get the same amount of power, but I am guessing land is not available....

.....Bill
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July 2, 2010
Excellent article on solar placement. When a building owner is at the stage of deciding on the mix of PV and thermal, that's a nice problem to have.

I question whether the capital costs for residential water heating would ever make sense when one considers the roof and ceiling penetrations along with plumbing.

For PV, a 12/4 pitch would be appropriate for most latitudes, or latitude minus 5 degrees to be more precise. Ground tracking would enhance output 20-35% but with the additional capital cost of trackers. Very few residential customers will have unshaded property for ground placement, and then there are restrictive community regulations, vandalism, and theft to consider.

On the commercial side, equipment shading is not that hard to visualize, as it maxes out on the Winter solstice, December 21st or 22nd. Then the decision is how much shading can be tolerated to maximize average annual PV yield. I'm sure the apps mentioned in the article handle this calculation well.
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July 3, 2010
I invested recently in Envision Solar (evsi.bb) and am looking for more Solar investments. The appeal was the CEO was an architect and all the projects (they showed the investors) looked great. Big clients McDonals, Dell Computers, Kyocera, UCSD. I think the EV will drive solar before residential but does it matter? Solar must grow ... Oil must diminish.
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5 of 6
July 5, 2010
When I was installing, our installer was proposing to go through the roof, on the outside wall of the house, and then back in, to pass the pipes. This makes it a lot easier to pass piping, and insulating the runs and adding a little finishing on the outside isn't that hard. We ended up passing the piping in a closet (mine is only 1 floor + basement) - even easier. The only thing I had to do was cut the shelving to go around the pipes.

Now with the FIT here, the money choice is easy.. but before, solar water seemed like a better idea, since it was cheaper, and with a big system, you could start knocking down those highly variable heating bills. Solar air seems to be a nice supplement, but because it's only available at certain times (no storage), and easy enough to overheat, you don't want to get too much...
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6 of 6
July 5, 2010
A good artical with good actitives, but hope the FIT can continue steady.

Nanjing Cessgene Group Limited
Rick Kim
www.cessgene.com
sales@cessgene.com
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