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PACE: Boon for Solar Developers or Boondoggle for Lenders?

By Graham Jesmer, News Editor
July 8, 2010   |   31 Comments

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1 of 31
July 8, 2010
I was the only individual to stand in opposition to HB572 at the state capital in 2009 (House Bill 572 created PACE in New Mexico). Here is what I said:

http://sites.google.com/site/erikhawkes/Home/objection-to-hb572-nm2009

Objection to HB572

Madame Chair, Members of the Committee,

My name is Erik Hawkes and I stand in opposition to House Bill 572. I

believe that this bill, if passed, would artificially increase PV sales

to prospects who would not otherwise qualify. My understanding of this

bill is that the county would become the underwriter and bill collector

for banks who issue loans to PV prospects; and that if the customer

were to one day default on the loan, that the county would foreclose on

the house to pay the bank back.

If I were to default today on my car loan, the county or state could

NOT foreclose on my house to repay the car dealership; yet House Bill

572 proposes to do just that for PV customers that participate in this

program.

As an alternate to House Bill 572 I believe we need to focus on grass

roots growth in the renewable energy industry; we need to assert that

the generator owns the RECs, that there will never be a tax on sunlight,

wind, or rain, and that multiple load meters may be off-set with one or

more production meters, if on one property.

I believe that House Bill 572 is predatory in nature and, if passed,

would do more harm than good to the renewable energy industry in New

Mexico.
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2 of 31
Anonymous
July 9, 2010
I wonder how carefully these repayment plans have been designed. Given the marked price reduction trends in the PV sector, an installed PV system depreciates in value at a very rapid rate and this trend could accelerate if there is major new progress. Whenever you have a situation where depreciation exceeds repayment you create a situation where default risks rise. If the PACE lien takes precedence over the mortgage, the state is probably well protected, but this shifts a significant new risk onto mortgage providers. It also opens up the risk of sales of PV systems to homeowners that are not capable of understanding the risks inherent in this market and who don't have the financial stability to withstand such risks. A large loan advertised as "cash flow positive from day one" has a lot of initial appeal but one is also assuming the risk of catastrophic failure for a PV system where the warranty might have been issued by a company that didn't survive the boom and bust cycles we are observing in the PV sector. It seems like some people will get burned badly by these loans unless the issuing criteria are carefully set (and recent problems in the mortgage sector suggest that is harder than once thought).
Steven
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3 of 31
July 9, 2010
Well out here in Northern California the PACE programs have added business & jobs where they are desperately needed. Wherever PACE has been implemented the solar pv sales have been accelerating. And that's helping to support a lot of families around here. I'm all for it!
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4 of 31
July 9, 2010
I do not like the government getting involved in business especially where the risk is a burden to the taxpayers as a whole. Seems to me that the possibility of foreclosures poses too many problems. Every time the government gets involved in business, there is a huge price to pay in return. I say it's not a good idea. There are many ways homeowners can obtain a solar pv system. Let's keep free enterprise government free.
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Anonymous
July 9, 2010
The government is involved in every business,especially that of incentivising solar PV. If government can help to move people from coal to solar and wind, I'm all for it. Government is giving rebates, FIT's, etc to new purchasers of pv systems. Maybe they do mess up the economics to some extent, creating booms and busts, but without governments throughout the world giving incentives for solar, it would not be growing at nearly the pace that it is.
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6 of 31
July 9, 2010
Interesting,

Judging from the mess the gov. has made of Fannie Freddie which is beyond bankrupt with nothing but funny money being pumped into it to keep it afloat, I cannot see any advantage of PACE in this economy. Sure, it may put a few back to work, or save their jobs, but too few to matter overall, we are in much worse financial condition with foreclosures going through the roof. As I see it, this would only contribute to the out of control deficits of the federal and state governments, and this would simply add to the problem of spending money of others, in this case, tax payers would get hit with higher property taxes to cover losses from defaults which will surely be increasing.

www.Mortgage-Free-Homes.com
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7 of 31
July 9, 2010
As I understand it this is a scheme to help home-owners to install ANY form of renewable energy system to help cut down on 'energy-waste'.
Why all the focus on PV's - while I agree PV in sunnier climbs are a great idea especially now at a time we're getting good news about 24%++ rates and we're realising the heat of the PVs themselves can be used to heat water say why not use PV - However my point is that the scheme can be used for insulation (THE single most important issue in saving energy) or solar-water-heating, wind, geo. or whatever.
I wish I could get a loan for renewable energy projects. I've a stream, a 6' dam, 0.5T/M3 per sec flow and no money. I've been told by an engineer I can generate about 6kW/hour 24/7. ==> €1.08/hour (without any subsidies or whatever) = €26.92/day = €181.44 per week €9,435,- per year. (Cost of unit €70k) Plus the kudos and extra guests we'd get running an off grid B&B in rural Ireland and then when the electricity prices shoot up as oil gets scarce etc ..... Anybody want a partnership near Lismore, Co Waterford, Ireland. We've already won Europe's top prize for eco-friendly accommodation.
Imagine what our house would be worth on the market if it was self-sufficient.
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8 of 31
OK, first of all, if you knew what you were talking about, you would not have your panties in a bunch about "government interfering in business!" DUH. This is about offering small loans ($5,000 to $25,000) to homeowners for improvements which raise their property values IMMEDIATELY by the full amount of the loan, and which loans can be repaid by the SAVINGS in energy bills every month.

These are no-risk loans to lenders and to borrowers and are CRITICAL because our energy bills are literally going through the roof, especially when Big Energy is allowed to slaughter millions more acres of our wilderness to centralize Big Solar, Big Wind and string up Big Transmission. Mortgage lenders should be FAR more worried by the incoming spike in energy bills and should be delighted that our properties will be worth more, and cheaper to operate if we install the types of efficiency upgrades and rooftop solar PACE loans support.

Fannie and Freddie were and continue to be insanely irresponsible in the way they run their "business" and need to keep their corrupt, incompetent mitts off the one program that gives regular, working people a shot at energy independence and enormous savings.
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9 of 31
Anonymous
July 9, 2010
In comment #8 "stop..." (SKOW) writes: "This is about offering small loans ($5,000 to $25,000) to homeowners for improvements which raise their property values IMMEDIATELY by the full amount of the loan..."

Not all the loans go to homeowners, some go to small businesses. Also, the assumption that a speculative purchase in a PV system "raise their property values IMMEDIATELY by the full amount of the loan" isn't valid. Some systems will be overpriced and/or poorly installed or suffer from other problems. Ten years from now solar PV is likely to be much cheaper, leading to the strong likelihood that a better system could be obtained for less than the remaining balance on the loan. A property saddled with an outstanding loan on a strongly depreciated solar system will be worth LESS--not more as SKOW asserts.

In many cases things will work tolerably well, but loan defaults will likely occur when they don't. These are not no-risk investments. For instance, a change in the net-metering laws could easily alter the cost/benefit analysis significantly and such changes are not unlikely as PV penetration rates increase--the utilities cannot be expected to provide free grid access to an ever increasing percentage of residences. The home mortgage issuers have a reasonable concern about any risky loan that takes precedence over their mortgage. Even in cases where the PV system purchase is "cash positive" there will be people who cannot repay their PACE loans and mortgages due to events entirely unrelated to the merits of the solar system. If a borrower defaults on both the PACE loan and the mortgage and the state forecloses on the property that leaves the mortgage issuer with a significant problem. I think the banks have a fair point and that much of the concern would be allayed if the PACE loans were not given precedence over mortgages.
Steven
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10 of 31
Actually, Anonymous (#9), you are mistaken. First of all, the Appraisal Institute has already studied the matter and for every $1 in monthly energy savings, the home appreciates $10-$25 in value - IMMEDIATELY:

http://1bog.org/files/2009/02/solar_home_value.pdf

Secondly, most cities handling these types of loans review the applications and have an accreditation process for installers (all qualified installations also have 25 year warranties), so they are not going to be poorly designed or installed or else they will be replaced/repaired. They did actually think about this before diving in head-first!

Thirdly, they barely "depreciate" over their 40 year lifespans from the energy output they had in the first year - up to 15% degradation is nothing compared to the ANNUAL INCREASES in energy bills that these systems are offsetting. In other words, it is very likely that the system increases in NET value on a year over year basis, not the opposite.

If better technology comes along, that will do nothing at all to existing technology.

Fourthly, net metering contracts are for 15-20 years and are FIXED. They cannot be retroactively eliminated -they are long-term PPAs, not ad-hoc speculation on a month-to-month basis. All programs are also capped at teeeeeeensy amounts of grid capability, FAR below what they could handle. In CA, it's just been raised to 5% from 2.5%. Calling it "free grid access" is ridiculous, since WE ratepayers pay 115% of the cost of building and maintaining the grid!

It is hilarious that all of a sudden Fannie and Freddie see homeowners REDUCING their monthly bills as a "risk," after the ludicrous risks they intentionally took on bailing out the corrupt, rapacious lenders who kept all their ill-gotten gains from genuinely risky loans. On the list of "Risks To Fannie And Freddie," PACE loans come hundreds of billions of items down the list. They were all gung-ho to take CERTAIN LOSSES on bank bailouts, they can take tiny risks with us!
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11 of 31
July 9, 2010
None of this matters for now. Freddie and Fannie effectively killed PACE just this week by refusing to accept additional loans (including those configured as tax payments) in a superior position to their loans.
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12 of 31
July 9, 2010
What a klutz. (#8) SO?? Burgers are now cheapest (in relation to income) ever - so no one eats until the price comes down in 10 years???
As long as folk borrow reasonable amounts of money that is re-payable in the time allotted and they in turn save money due to better system - where's the problem?? Get a grip.
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13 of 31
peter o connor, are you sure you are referring to comment #8 and not #9?
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14 of 31
Anonymous
July 9, 2010
Among many other things SKOW writes in comment #10:
"In other words, it is very likely that the system increases in NET value on a year over year basis, not the opposite."

This is an unusual view of economics. If you purchased the first blue ray DVD player to hit the market you paid an absolute fortune for it--and if you are very lucky it works about as well as one you can buy today for a trifling fee. So if you borrowed to get it and someone wants to sell it off to recapture their capital from your non-performing loan they are in trouble because it likely can't be sold for nearly what it was purchased for. Solar PV depreciation is the same story--it does not matter that the energy production is relatively stable, all a creditor cares about is present market value.

The overriding issue here though is that the mortgage holders have a perfect right to object to their creditors taking on additional loans that have a superior position to their liens. If the various local governments feel so strongly about the PACE program they should be willing to give the mortgages senior status and assume the additional risk (which SKOW dubiously argues is small) that that involves.
Steven
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15 of 31
Anonymous
July 9, 2010
Peter of comment #12 should try to remember than mortgages are loans with modest interest rates because they are secured with collateral. It is irrational to expect the rates of a secured loan if the collateral is insufficient or if someone else holds a superior lien against it. If various governments are so confident in the value of PV they can gives unsecured loans out to support it (but, of course, there is a reason that they feel a need for having the homes or businesses as collateral).
Steven
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Anonymous
July 9, 2010
SKOW also writes in comment #10 when discussing net metering: "All programs are also capped at teeeeeeensy amounts of grid capability, FAR below what they could handle. In CA, it's just been raised to 5% from 2.5%. Calling it "free grid access" is ridiculous, since WE ratepayers pay 115% of the cost of building and maintaining the grid!"

If only this was true. Solar PV adds additional stress to the distribution grid even at small percentages (as is already being seen in Hawaii). Furthermore if you have a PV system you are a small energy producer NOT a rate payer and it is irrational to expect rate payers to subsidize an unlimited number of such producers by paying all of the grid costs. Ultimately, utilities will need to charge a fee to recover the costs of grid access for those receiving net metering contracts.
Steven
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17 of 31
July 9, 2010
re: Steven, posts 14 thru 16. The difference between an old dvd player and a solar pv system is that the pv system actually creates something of value, increasing value I would add, for 25 to 30 years or more. There is a manufacturers warranty for 30 years on the panels. Your dvd player might be warranted for maybe a year.
Secondly, solar pv owners (grid tied) are both consumers and producers. Most pv systems don't produce 100% of annual load so there is a push-pull going on with the grid and the utility is paid for the difference (and is not obligated to pay the pv producer for over producing - anything over is free to the utility). I'd like to see your sources on "Solar PV adds additional stress to the distribution grid even at small percentages (as is already being seen in Hawaii)" I have no idea what you refer to other than the fact that Hawaii is an island and the grid is quite small there. In the mainland, the grid is quite capable of handling the influx of pv generated power. In addition, as pv (and wind) become a larger part of the grid source, the need to build additional generating capacity by the utility (coal, gas, nuclear) is decreased saving all customers money in the long run.
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18 of 31
July 9, 2010
For all the anti government comments that that condem PACE without first researching the concept, please read the following.
PACE was started by a few inovative thinkers (Babylon, NY, Boulder County CO and a couple of other communities, not by the Feds. The Feds have provided seed money to a few states, other states and communities have issued bonds to finance PACE, that over time will be revolving loans.
The PACE assessment is paid back with the savings realized from the energy saving improvements. With the energy audit, savings can be very accurate. Example, if the auditor test out with a net energy savings of $75.00, that is the payment for the life of the asssessment (usually 15yrs) effectively inflation proofing your cost of energy. A wash the first month and savings as energy prices go up and a substantial savings over time.
The PACE Assessments are backed by a 2-5% default escrow there fore there is slim to none risk to tax payers. The default rate is less than 2%. Any default is made current at sale with the escrow. PACE is on the property not the owners and passes to the next owner upon sale
Finally most PACE money is spent on weatherization and up grading heating systems it varies with each program.
For more info consider joining www.pace-discussion@googlegroups.com
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19 of 31
Anonymous
July 9, 2010
Brian,
Regarding references for Hawaii's grid stability issues, it was been mentioned in several recent articles on this site, but I don't have references immediately at hand.

Here is one page from the Hawaii utility discussing stability concerns:
http://www.renewablehawaii.com/portal/site/heco/menuitem.508576f78baa14340b4c0610c510b1ca/?vgnextoid=a563d19607507210VgnVCM1000005c011bacRCRD&vgnextfmt=default&cpsextcurrchannel=1

Here is a recent article claiming the rapid ramp up of solar in the Czech republic is causing grid complications:
http://sunpluggers.com/countries/czech-republic/2010/02/solar-popularity-seen-as-threat-to-grid-stability-in-czech-republic-000098.php

and here is a a recent REW article touching partly on grid stability issues:
http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2010/04/bringing-utility-scale-solar-power-to-the-grid?cmpid=rss

A new generation of inverters will improve matters; however, lots of PV within small neighborhoods is already a concern for utilities and is going to be a bigger issue in the near term as penetration rates increase--at least until grid upgrades are undertaken.

Intermittency from wind farms and its impact on the grid is a more familiar topic; one distinction between solar and wind is that grid operators have more control over a wind farm's interaction with the grid then is available for small rooftop solar systems.
Steven
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20 of 31
Anonymous
July 9, 2010
Regarding a couple other comments from Brian in comment 17:

he says "The difference between an old dvd player and a solar pv system is that the pv system actually creates something of value"

This is a distinction that does not affect a the market value of the item or its value as collateral. A $20 million supercomputer purchased in 2000 would still be able to perform the same amount of work today that it could on the day it was installed (thus to use Brian's language it "creates something of value") but could be replaced by a desktop computer costing only a few thousand dollars today. Thus the present day value of a circa 2000 era supercomputer for the purposes of collateral is nil. Bankers tend to worry when their collateral can plummet in value. They especially worry when their collateral might be seized by another entity holding a senior lien against it. PACE protects tax payers but it doesn't seem to protect the banks and this is a serious flaw in its design.

Regarding some of his comments on net metering, it is true that most PV owners are both producers and consumers, but they are only billed for the difference between production and consumption. A ballpark figure for distribution costs is ~40% of the total energy cost for residential owners and this cost is usually folded into the per kWh rates. Current net metering rules don't allow the utility to recover the costs of distribution for the energy a PV owner withdraws from the grid except possibly for the small portion of usage that exceeds production, so this is a significant subsidy which will not be sustainable when PV penetration rates increase markedly.
Steven
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21 of 31
July 9, 2010
Some odds and ends--I repeat something mentioned above. PACE is generally designed to cover several types of efficiency and renewable upgrades. PV is only one tool. Insulation is generally #1 in importance. Demand or air source heat pump or solar thermal hot water heaters would be high on the list. Ground source heat pumps, air source heat pumps or very high efficiency gas furnaces would also be on there. Heating, cooling and hot water loads are generally much bigger than electric loads. Banks and reinsurers have to move to a 21st century financial model that bundles utility loads with mortgage financing. This is understood in Europe. Zero net energy buildings are being built with higher front end costs and minimal or zero utility costs. If the bureaucrats damage PACE they'll just be accelerating the downward spiral they helped create.
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Comment 14/16: the "monthly payback" of a system installed today may be $100 based on net metering, but as the costs of utility-provided electricity increase (and 100% of analysts agree that they will), that cash value will increase to $115, $125, $150/month with no additional investment - that is not really unusual economics - it is projected ROI.

When hand-wringing about the poor lenders who gave out shaky mortgages, one should consider this increased "income" in the ability to pay bills, and it actually looks like PACE loans combined with net metering (or even better, feed in tariffs) will INCREASE the ability of the mortgage-holder to pay their bills, rather than decrease it, along with substantial improvements in home values (as noted), which mean increased equity and lower loan-to-value ratios. We call that a win/win.

As for "grid stresses," one might want to research into smart inverters, smart grid upgrades, and decreased grid congestion before making such sweeping statements. Without a link to a credible source about "Hawaii," I don't know how to address this non-pressing issue other than to say we have a LONG way to go before we have to stop rooftop solar and efficiency upgrades within our built environment, so let's cross that bridge IF we come to it.

In the meantime, if you support democracy, jobs, property values, energy independence, personal responsibility, energy security/reliability, clean air and water, open public spaces, biodiversity and/or rewarding people for doing the right thing, you will push your federal legislators to get Fannie and Freddie to step off the ONE program WE have to clean, decentralize and stabilize our energy grid - PACE loans (plus feed in tariffs!).
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23 of 31
July 10, 2010
For the life of me I cannot understand why after all these years solar is not treated like any other fixture in construction which must be paid off before closing so mortgage insurance companies can ensure lenders that all potential liens are settled?

It would seem that programs like PACE mess market conditions up and should be unnecessary if solar is treated like other fixtures and other expensive house components (washers, dryers, furnaces, etc.) and mortgaged at 70 - 80% pf appraised value.

This seems especially reasonable since none of the other fixtures in a new home has ANY ACTUAL CASH FLOW and is usually in the dump within 10 years while PV and SW actually do pay back according to DOE's own ideas of payback and proper installations will still be working after the 20 or 30 year mortgage is paid off.

Isn't the problem that government has set expectations for solar that other energy resources cannot even imagine to live by?
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24 of 31
July 10, 2010
Steven, thanks for citing your sources. I'll check them out when I get a few minutes. And your point about distribution costs is well taken. I would also agree with SKOW though that we are quite a ways down the road from the kind of feed in loads that would probably make a difference(imo). Also well stated here is that a lot of the PACE activity is in conservation measures and energy management.
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25 of 31
July 10, 2010
I think george-reynoldson-33887 nailed it on the head.
Why treat solar, hydro etc as consumer items. They enhance the home/office building , have positive influence on the lifestyle of the occupants and eventually have a beneficial effect on the earth/resources.
It's a win, win, win.
Any loan should be treated with serious attention and provision made in budgeting the payback but I'd rather put money into home-improvements than to shares in stock-exchange where the returns 'might' be worth the worry.
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Anonymous
July 10, 2010
To George and Peter. It's only a win win if the home owner has the upfront money for the energy improvements. People need to stop calling PACE a loan. The A in PACE stands for Assessment not loan. Thats a big reason PACE has gone amuck with FHFA. The assessment feature is what made PACE work so well. It is treated the same as water,sewer and other assessments.
It does not get recorded like property taxes,water and sewer. At refinancing or sale the assessment continues with the property like water, sewer etc until it is paid off.
Assessments are qualified generally as "a benefit to the commumity".
The banks are totally missing the boat. Take two identicle homes, one with PACE improvements and one without. The PACE home saves the homeowner 1 to 2 thousand dollars per year over the unimproved home. Which one are you going to buy!
Where can you spend $15,000 and have a positive cash flow the first year!
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July 12, 2010
I don't really understand Freddie and Fannie's problem with PACE (and they don't exactly have a leg to stand on when it comes to responsible lending.) PACE is a low-risk ASSESSMENT (good point anonymous) from a municipal entity for a power-generating system. It is not comparable to other household appliances -- the energy produced lowers utility bills and could very well make it easier for a homeowner to pay back a mortgage. If we can count on the price of electricity rising 2% a year (and we can) and the sun rising every day, then we can count on that added value of revenue to a homeowner from a PV system. This is a no brainer -- it does not interfere with a homeowner's ability to pay a mortgage. So what is F and F's beef? Seriously. What is their problem? Do they just don't get it? Or what am I missing?
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Anonymous
July 12, 2010
Jessica (in #20) asks: "So what is F and F's beef?"

Suppose a homeowner's financial position changes suddenly and he can't pay off his mortgage. Then the bank merely forecloses on the home to recoup its losses.

Now suppose the same homeowner got a PACE loan just before his financial reversal. Now, even though his PACE improvements may even be cash-flow positive, he still can't pay his obligations, but this time the state (which has the senior lien) forecloses on the house. Now the bank is likely to be able to recover significantly less of its investment and perhaps nothing at all.
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Anonymous
July 13, 2010
The home owners must be current on taxes and home payments to qualify for PACE loan. But what if after the loan is taken out and the home goes to forclosure. One thing about it if we don't creat jobs home price will continue to decline where as if we make these loans and more jobs are created and the people are in a better cash flow position. 1. Their home will most likely be worth more money. 2. They will have more money to spend in the local economy thereby reducing imported fuels and helping the US with its Balance of Payments positioning. Maybe this mightjust get us all out of this malaize. It's the old do nothing and maybe it will improve or do something which creats jobs and local cash flow and see things improve. The areas where this is already implemented speak volumes for the latter approach.
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30 of 31
July 13, 2010
Anonymous (?) comment - 26 (it think- Haven't you people got personalities or even names ???) has it - to a point. Of course a house with integrated eco-controls/boostersystems - whatever is worth more than the average Joe-Soap's. That's my point too. Period.
I don't underatand his first point; It's only a win win if the home owner has the upfront money for the energy improvements. Eeeeh I'm I missing something. It a LOAN we're discussing here - NOT a 110%mortgage like the US banks gave to bozos that couldn't even arrange a saving's account for a few years. I bought my house (my first one with 40% cash -0 'twas normal in the '80's. Get a grip - anyone spending money on eco-friendly house improvements is't likely to be a total loser!
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31 of 31
July 13, 2010
Still,
With so many models of electric cars coming into play later this year, charging the lithium batteries with solar is cheaper. Add this expense into the equation.

P.S. Value of gas powered vehicles will plummet...
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